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Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots

Dbn_tiny by Chris Pokorny on in 2007 Game Day Threads Comment 159 comments

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Game: Cleveland Browns (2-2) vs. New England Patriots (4-0)
Where: Gillette Stadium (Foxborough, MA)
When: 1:00 PM EST
Announcers: Greg Gumbel/Dan Dierdorf

It's impossible, right? Bill Belichick is the mastermind of football, and any significant advantage that Romeo Crennel may have had in terms of knowing New England's system has been erased with his two years of separation from the team. Keeping that in mind, there are some players in the Patriots system, like the returning Rodney Harrison, that Crennel may be able to offer some insight to. Likewise, a veteran linebacker like Willie McGinest may be able to clue the rest of the defense in on some of the tendencies of the Patriots' offensive line and where it is appropiate to attack them. Football comes down to how you play on gameday. The Patriots have been lights out on both sides of the ball, but the Browns' offense is showing that they can compete with the top defenses in the league. Could the "hot" Cleveland Browns be the team to stun the Patriots? Let's get to the breakdown of this week's game...

OFFENSE

Category Browns Patriots
Points Scored 27.25 (6th) 37.0 (2nd)
Passing 232.8 (10th) 274.8 (5th)
Rushing 114.8 (15th) 157.0 (4th)
Total Offense (yards) 347.5 (11th) 431.8 (2nd)

DEFENSE

Category Browns Patriots
Points Scored 29.5 (28th) 12.0 (4th)
Passing 267.5 (30th) 156.3 (4th)
Rushing 160.0 (30th) 69.8 (3rd)
Total Defense (yards) 427.5 (31st) 226.0 (1st)
- Quarterback
Tom Brady. I could stop right there, as there's really no need to explain the Patriots' advantage here. This season, Brady has thrown 13 touchdowns to only 2 interceptions, and he has completed an unheard of eighty percent of his passes. We've seen Brady work magic without big-name receivers before, but now that he has Randy Moss and Wes Welker -- two players that are perfect matches for his skills -- Brady has reached a new level. Derek Anderson has been very aggressive and calm in the pocket, which is why the Browns are suddenly averaging 27 points per game. His decision-making is still flawed at points in a game though, leading to picks that Brady wouldn't have,
- Running Back
The Patriots have been able to throw Laurence Maroney or Sammy Morris in the game and receive the same production from either guy -- a near 5.0 average and a couple of touchdowns. Maroney may not play against the Browns due to injury, meaning the red-hot Morris could get the start again. The Browns are only ranked 15th in the league in comparison, but against a great defense in the Ravens last week, the team proved just how important Jamal Lewis is to the offense. Lewis has been able to drive the ball forward on all of his carries, and has alleviated some of the pressure teams bring on playaction passes.
- Receiver
It's a first this season in which I'm completely ranking the opposition over Cleveland's receivers. As good as Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards, and Kellen Winslow have been, they are no match for the best group of receivers in football this year in Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth. Through four games, Moss already has over 500 yards receiving and seven touchdowns. While Winslow is a better all-around threat as a tight end than the Patriots have, New England isn't forgetting about Benjamin Watson. Despite only having eight catches, Watson already has three touchdowns, showing how often his number has been called near the goal line.
- Offensive Line
The Browns' offensive line has turned heads this year, especially after Derek Anderson was kept clean against a defense like the Baltimore Ravens last week. It was the first time in ages that a Ravens defense failed to record a single sack. The Patriots' offensive line provides a better pocket of protection for Brady overall. While Anderson knows how to get rid of the ball quickly, Brady has the luxury of being able to sit back there for five seconds on a consistent basis. The Patriots block better in the running game as well, in about the same comparative level as the two team's pass blocking ability.
- Defensive Line
Just as the Ravens' defensive line was able to do a fine job against the Browns last week at defending the run, the Patriots are even better across the board. Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, and Jarvis Green have combined for the third best run defense in the NFL so far. Green has already piled up three sacks on the right side of the line and will be a chore for Kevin Shaffer to defend, especially with the linebacking help on the same side of the line. The Browns seemed to rotate the defensive line effectively last week in comparison to the first three games, but were still gashed on the ground by Willis McGahee and failed to pressure Steve McNair until the final drive.
- Linebacker
You mean Junior Seau still hasn't retired? The veteran is now a backup, because the Patriots have a ridiculous amount of depth at the position. The Patriots were able to make a big addition in the offseason by signing linebacker Adalius Thomas, a player that many Browns fans hoped Phil Savage would be able to steal. Thomas leads the Patriots in tackles and can play any defensive position on the field. Mike Vrabel may be getting older, but he leads the team in sacks with three and a half. The Browns welcomed Willie McGinest back last week, but the Browns' blitzes failed to work when they were brought.
- Secondary
How different could the Patriots' secondary have been if Asante Samual had actually gone through with his holdout? The Patriots' pass defense is ranked fourth in the league defensively, and to say that Derek Anderson will be able to have his way with the secondary is illogical. The Patriots are also welcoming safety Rodney Harrison back for the first time this season after he served a four-game suspension. One key for the Browns secondary will be to tell Brodney Pool to run around and constantly help on double-teaming Randy Moss. With Brady at quarterback, there's no way even Leigh Bodden can hold Moss in check in single coverage.
- Special Teams
It wasn't a pleasant sight to see Phil Dawson miss one of his attempts last week, but thankfully it didn't count due to a Ravens' penalty. The Browns feature Joshua Cribbs at kick returner, who has been at least returning one kick to beyond the 40-yard line per game. Getting the ball first to start the game has been a difference for Cleveland, because Cribbs provides an electric start to the game. The Patriots aren't particularly weak on special teams -- in fact, Ellis Hobbs had a 108-yard kick return earlier this season. Overall, the Browns are more complete though.
FINAL PREDICTION: New England Patriots 37, Cleveland Browns 20.
Nobody wants to miss it when the New England Patriots do battle with the Dallas Cowboys next week, in a game where both teams could be undefeated. Before the Patriots get there though, they'll have to keep their attention focused on the Browns. Romeo Crennel is getting his first crack at defeating the team he previously coached with, even if it was a few years ago. The Patriots are looking forward to the return of safety Rodney Harrison after he served his four-game suspension. With New England's top-ranked defense in the league though, do they really need him?

Maybe so, because the Browns have put together an offensive football team. Believe it or not, this will be the best offensive team the Patriots will have seen this season, considering how poorly the Chargers have played and the fact that the Bengals were too one-dimensional last week without Rudi Johnson at running back. The difference for Cleveland hasn't been just one player -- it's been the entire offensive line, Jamal Lewis running the ball, and Derek Anderson getting rid of the football (he's only been sacked twice in four weeks of play). Cleveland's problem will be that no matter how well they could potentially do on offense, the Patriots' offense will shred a Browns' defense that is ranked near the bottom of the league.

This is the official gameday topic for the fifth game of the regular season, featuring the Cleveland Browns against the New England Patriots. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!

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Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
The Cleveland Browns have declared QB Ken Dorsey (3rd QB), P Dave Zastudil, DB Gary Baxter, RB Jerome Harrison, OL Isaac Sowells, OL Nat Dorsey, WR Travis Wilson, DL Ted Washington inactive.

The New England Patriots have declared QB Matt Gutierrez (3rd QB), S Rashad Baker, RB Laurence Maroney, T Wesley Britt, C Dan Koppen, DL Santonio Thomas, DL Kareem Brown, LB Chad Brown.

Here are the surprises, first for the Browns. Ted Washington is OUT, while Orpheus Roye is active. Could this mean that we may get a look at Shaun Smith at nose tackle instead of Ethan Kelley?

To make things even more interesting, the Patriots' starting center, Dan Koppen, is OUT. It'll be an interesting matchup between a backup center going against our backup defensive tackle...one new guy may dominate the other and change some of the smaller factors of this game.

Also, Laurence Maroney is confirmed as OUT for the Patriots, so Sammy Morris will indeed get the start again. Ryan Tucker is active, meaning he will play today. In the process, the Browns have chosen to NOT activate Nat Dorsery.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
I would love to see Shaun Smith get some playing time... now if only I could find an online radio broadcast of the game!  The Sirius sattelite doesn't  work in my office :S

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
And then I solve my own problem- just in time to hear the big stop!  Bend but don't break, here we go again.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Holding the Patriots to a field goal is brilliant.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Cribbs juking his way to the 35-yard line. The fun keeps on coming with kick returns.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
This first drive looks pretty nice so far

by APV on Oct 7, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Hell of a lead block from Vickers

by APV on Oct 7, 2007 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Why isn't Lewis going on these goal line plays?

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Wow, its like being punched in the stomach, ouch.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Ugh...that is a killer...first and goal from the one, and we turn the ball over. So much for me emphasizing the Patriots' red-zone weakness.

Is Jamal Lewis hurt?

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
apparently he is hurt, this is really really bad.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
apparently...headed to the locker room

by APV on Oct 7, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Live by the Anderson, die by the Anderson
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Anderson needs to earn that one back. Although he needs to do it without forcing bad throws into good coverage.

by APV on Oct 7, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
That was a great defensive stop.  Our weakest position came up big and anytime Wright beats Moss we are doing well.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Good defensive stop to bail Derek out.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Brady is 0-for-4 in his last four attempts. Props to the Browns' secondary for giving Anderson another shot so soon.

And now, the risk of not activating Harrison comes into play: you really only have one running back.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
How about seeing Cribbs and Vickers taking HB carries?

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Shame Cribbs didn't get a chance to run that last one back.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Wow, I took a big risk taking Anderson as my backup QB for this week... now I am regretting it :/

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Just like that, Anderson's pass gets tipped and the Patriots roll.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Wow, that REALLY sucked.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
This game could very easily be something like 10-3 Cleveland right now....instead, it's 10-0 New England.  Ugh.

by APV on Oct 7, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Leigh Bodden is down now on the turf. Lewis is questionable with a foot injury.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
And now we loose Bodden?  Dear lord, I thought we didn't have anything to loose going into this game, but now our starting tailback is out and our best CB is hurt.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
So, we could all say that theoretically, if Lewis didn't get hurt, he could've scored from the goal line, and the Browns would be up 7-3 instead of down 10-0 :p

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
To beat the Patriots we need to get the lucky bounces, but so far they're all going against us.  At least our offense was able to move the ball down the field.  We need a score on this drive to stay in the game.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 7, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
I like that deep pass to Carter.

by APV on Oct 7, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
I would have liked it better had there been a catch or a flag.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
When I saw it live I thought there was a shove...but on the replay it looked like good coverage

by APV on Oct 7, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
I guess we get to see what Wright is made of. Maybe Chris will get the Jerome Harrison love he's been craving
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
But he is inactive.  

I really don't think Wright is much worse than Lewis, but this is where I would have liked to have a mid-round rookie to plug in.  Anderson needs to play out of his mind and let's hope Bodden is ok.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 7, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Washington is missed more than most think.  

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 7, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
True that.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Wow, lucky drop for us, but we forced them to punt twice in one half, probably as many as any other team all season

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Defense is standing up to the challenge. If only the offense could say the same...
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
How about the Steelers?  Willie Parker- 7 rushes for 11 yards, wow.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
our front seven is very undersized, and since we don't get any pressure, that is a huge problem.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 7, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Held 'em to a field goal. Bend bu don't break strikes again!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
That's right. We're a solid touchdown drive away from heading into halftime competitive.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
We're losing the field position game.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Samuel's shaken up. Don't want to wish injury on a guy but.....well, I wish injury on that guy.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Wright is looking pretty good out there.  9 for 40's pretty solid.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Run Jason Run!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Jurevicius knee injury; out for the first half at least.

Keeping it solid on the ground? Interesting...

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Gonna miss TD Joe. Tim Carter's a poor substitute.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Wow, so Anderson on one fantasy team, Jurevicius on another and Winslow on a third, I'm getting scorched

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGHHH!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
3 interceptions?  Can we please get a mulligan?

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
I'm not suggesting this by any means. However, does anyone want to see Brady Quinn in the second half?

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Guy on CBS said that pass looked like a glitch in Madden 08.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Oh good 2nd and 25
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Well that was a terrible, terrible offensive half of football. At least the defense isn't embarrassing itself.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
What a frustrating half.  Our offense has moved the ball and our defense had two nice stops inside the 5, but the damn interceptions are killing us.  The score should be much closer than it is.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 7, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Proud of the D.

The offense, well, that was pathetic.

by TonyH on Oct 7, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Can we blame Anderson for those picks?  Or is it the strength of the defense?

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
20-0 first half; there's nothing to pull out of a half like that that's too positive.

Keys to the second half:

-Give Winslow some touches
-Blitz Brady, even if it leaves Moss in single coverage

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Out of bounds kick... a sign of good news to come?

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Evidently not.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Our defense is actually worked pretty well today... crazy

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
When the comments are down, I can tell the depression has sunk in.

Stay alive for the Indians game later on though :D

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
I don't care about Baseball, so the Indians doing well really doesn't do much for me :(

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Doesn't do much for me. I'm an Angels fan, and they're just as depressing lately.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Yeah, I'd gladly take a whipping by the Browns here to see a sweep of the Yankees tonight by the Tribe.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 7, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Yet another stop. If only we could capitalize on them.....
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
well at least he threw it AT Winslow.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
We're advancing! I'm smelling a score....

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Nice!
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Optical Illusion, I'm sure.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
See what happens when you throw to the guys on OUR team, Derek?
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Winslow dropped :( why bother kicking it?

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Alright, we're on the board! Solid drive.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
That pass to Winslow had an ugly spin to it...ugh, a little better throw and he may have still been going. At least we have points on the board, although we're still down by three possessions.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Defense did the job again...perhaps Anderson can string another drive together if he and Winslow get on the same page?

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Nice job by the defense to force a 3 and out.  Now let's get a TD and make this game interesting.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 7, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
HA! and the Pats make a mental mistake
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
BIIIG 3rd down here.........
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
sigh
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
The Patriots are really getting frustrated at themselves...we MUST capitalize...

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Seriously, our defense is doing wonderfully, its time to get it rolling.

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Final quarter of play. For any chance, we need to score on every drive.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! And to Carter, of all people!
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
The way he's playing, Wright may need to take over for Lewis a lot more often.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Yeah, he's looked pretty good running and catching.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 7, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Given that Lewis had 1 run for 11 yards, you can't really say he wouldn't have run just as well

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
True, but given what I've seen from him so far I really don't think he would have.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
If we hold them to 3 on this drive it still a 2 score game

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
You know, overall we've done a better job than anyone else in the league at containing Moss.
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by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Stupid Welker! Oh....no...not Wright!

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Oh no... please don't be hurt Eric Wright, we need our CB depth

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Yahoo Sports! says it is fourth-and-one coming up. I hope New England attempts a field goal and misses it.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCJK!!!!!!!!!!

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
DAMMIT!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
DOUBLE DAMMIT
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
You see how the little things kill us. Bodden can't hold Welker for that one play, and Brady capitalizes with an easy touchdown to Watson.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
God is in the details, they say.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Josh MTV' Cribbs doing his thing.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
3rd and 20. great.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Looked like a screen play gone bad with Anderson getting sacked before turning around.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
It would be really funny if we got a safety

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Well, noone was really expecting us to win anyway. Good effort, guys.

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
That's what bugs me though; minus the INTs we would've had a real legitimate shot to pull a Stanford here.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Okay, we've still got a small chance!!!!

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
touchdown with 2 point conversion... this would be the greatest comback ever if it were to happen

by Estonianzulu on Oct 7, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
TOOOOOUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHDOOOWWWNNN!! WINSOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Still enough time to shock the world
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Man Jason Wright has been a real bright spot today...15 for 59 on the ground and 4 for 43 through the air.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Very nice to have Anderson and the Browns capitalize on the short field. Still barely in it.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
One more stop and it's TYYYYYYYME!!!!

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
The Patriots are staying aggressive, and we're not able to get a tip or strip.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
If we stop 1 more time, we could still win....

by Zorgon on Oct 7, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Yay goal line stand. too bad we hemorrhaged clock time
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Oh good Lord.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
nice play by The Braylon there.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Oct 7, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
I'm obviously upset that we lost, but I was pretty much dead on with my 37-20 prediction. We did actually show some positive signs in this game. If you negate Anderson's first interception and make it go for a touchdown, you never know how close this game could have been.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Yeah, we were in this game in the second half which is all I was hoping for.  I really wish we hadn't given up that last TD on the fumble because that makes the score look worse than it was.  The national media will probably just look at the score and think that we got dominated, but the Browns played the Patriots as well or better than any other team so far, and that should count for something.

We have some very winable games coming up in the next few weeks.  If we could get above .500 going in to the Pittsburgh game, who knows what will happen.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 7, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots
Please, nobody take this the wrong way:

I liked are chances of beating Miami from the start. Without them having Trent Green now, it could be a great day for the Browns' secondary to finally start making some plays. Hopefully we have Jamal Lewis back; as good as Jason Wright was today, we need Lewis in the lineup.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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