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Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers

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Game: Cleveland Browns (5-3) vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (6-2)
Where: Heinz Field  (Pittsburgh, PA)
When: 1:00 PM EST
Announcers: Jim Nantz/Phil Simms (CBS)

Back in Week 1, the Browns were humiliated by the Steelers 34-7 in front of all of the fans of Cleveland who had gotten their hopes up, including me. It looked as if despite adding Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, and Jamal Lewis in the offseason, the talk of the season would be discussing when Romeo Crennel would be fired and whether or not Bill Cowher would be the team's next head coach.

Nine weeks later, things have taken a turn towards the brighter side of things for once. The Browns are 5-3 and are playing outstanding on offense, giving them a legitimate chance of heading into next week in a tie for the lead in the AFC North. What's changed since the last time these two teams met? The Steelers are still the Steelers (a solid team). The Browns don't have a Paul Ernster that's going to blow the fielding of a punt, or a Charlie Frye that's going to run towards a blitzer. Instead, we have five potential Pro Bowlers on offense that are responsible for the position we're currently in, and I'm loving every second of it. Will the Browns reach a new high today since returning to the league with a win? Let's get to the breakdown of this week's game...

OFFENSE

Category Browns Steelers
Points Scored 28.4 (4th) 27.8 (5th)
Passing 254.5 (7th) 201.9 (19th)
Rushing 110.9 (17th) 150.5 (2nd)
Total Offense (yards) 365.4 (4th) 352.4 (8th)

DEFENSE

Category Browns Steelers
Points Scored 29.1 (30th) 12.2 (1st)
Passing 276.6 (32nd) 161.8 (1st)
Rushing 135.1 (27th) 76.0 (4th)
Total Defense (yards) 411.8 (32nd) 237.8 (1st)
- Quarterback
Heading into Week 9, it looked like Derek Anderson would head into this game with more touchdown passes than Roethlisberger, but that changed after two different approaches by each team last week. The Browns ran Jamal Lewis for four touchdowns on the ground against the Seahawks while the Steelers had Ben Roethlisberger toss five first-half touchdowns against the Ravens. Each quarterback has led high-powered offense, part of the reason why they have their teams ranked fourth and fifth in points scored. In terms of individual match-ups though, Roethlisberger will be under a lot less pressure here, obviously giving him more opportunities to create a play on the fly.
- Running Back
The Browns aren't a power running team, but they know how to maintain a balanced attack. Lewis' 4.2 yards-per-carry average is still inflated by his Week 2 effort against the Cincinnati Bengals, so Willie Parker's 4.1 yards-per-carry average remains more impressive overall. The Steelers knew the Ravens were depleted in the secondary last week and attacked them through the air in the first half. Without the Browns having a particular strength on defense, Parker should get all of the opportunities he usually does against the Browns. Meanwhile, Jason Wright should be mixed in often against Pittsburgh in hopes that Lewis will be available in the fourth quarter if the game is tight.
- Receiver
I'm glad that Hines Ward is back for the Steelers, not because I want another talented player on the field to beat our defensive backs, but if we win, I want both teams at full strength so there are no excuses left on the table. The big story at receiver for Pittsburgh has been Santonio Holmes, the Ohio State alumni who has ripped the Browns to shreds since entering the league last season. While Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards, and Kellen Winslow have been "ace" for the Browns, those Steelers receivers have gotten accustomed to finding the gaps after Big Ben buys some time behind the line of scrimmage.
- Offensive Line
The Browns' offensive line took its first hit during the week when Seth McKinney was placed on the injured reserve. As I've stated all season though, his position was easiest to replace though, considering both Ryan Tucker and Lennie Friedman are capable of stepping in and making spot starts. The Browns' line kept Derek Anderson clean all day against a heavy-blitzing Seahawks defense last week even after McKinney left. The Steelers' offensive line hasn't had many weaknesses themselves over the years, and are partially responsible for Roethlisberger having time to create some of his twenty touchdown passes.
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Defensive Line
Defense is dominating when it comes to the Steelers, who rank first in the league in points allowed, pass defense, and overall defense. I said it back in Week 1, and I'm forced to say it again for the sake of filling this section up with something: Casey Hampton is perhaps the best nose tackle in the league, with Albert Haynesworth the only man giving him a run for his money. I've liked what Ethan Kelley has done over the past two weeks compared to Ted Washington, and overall, they've done a slightly better job on the line keeping the opposing team's starting (and injured) running backs to under 100 yards on the ground.

- Linebacker
James Harrison was the talk of the league last week after recording 10 tackles, including 3.5 sacks, and an interception against the Baltimore Ravens. It was considered his "breakout" moment, something I think we're all waiting for Kamerion Wimbley to have. Last year, he seemed to be our only bright spot totaling 11 sacks on the season. He has barely shown up on the stat sheet over the past month or two, and although that can be attributed to a poor defensive line, he needs to show something that says he was our first-round draft pick from last season.
- Secondary
Sean Jones and Brodney Pool haven't been beaten deep recently, but the compensation for that may be due to the cornerbacks outside helping them out. That has allowed teams to pass underneath all day long like Matt Hasselbeck did last week with Bobby Engram. Believe it or not though, that has led to teams having low-scoring second halves over the past two weeks. Troy Polamalu, Ike Taylor, and Deshea Townsend have led the Steelers to the first-ranked pass defense in the league, but their individual talents shouldn't be overestimated besides Polamalu. It's more so due to Dick LeBeau's clever schemes: if Anderson can beat them, he can move the ball.
- Special Teams
Cleveland's special teams unit was putrid last week, allowing a 90+ yard punt return to Nate Burleson and seeing Phil Dawson miss an extra point. Dawson's been hitting his field goals all season, and he should get plenty of cracks against the Steelers considering it'll be difficult to put touchdowns on the board against this team. Allen Rossum has been a threat in the kick return game for Pittsburgh, but he hasn't done a whole lot on punt returns. Dave Zastudil will be important in this game, as he didn't face the Steelers in Week 1 due to injury. We all know how that turned out.
FINAL PREDICTION: Pittsburgh Steelers 24, Cleveland Browns 20.
As much as the Steelers like to say that "a team needs to beat us sometimes" in order for this to be considered a rivalry, make no mistake about it: this has and forever will be one of the greatest rivalries in the NFL. The Browns were demolished back in Week 1 when Charlie Frye was their starting quarterback and were left for dead by critics around the league. After the Browns' front office made an uncommon decision by trading Frye away immediately and naming Derek Anderson the starter though, things have gotten a lot better for the Browns, particularly during their three-game winning streak. The offense is one of the best in the NFL, and although the defense has been torched, the "little big plays" have started to show up in crunch time.

With all of those positive with the Browns though, the Pittsburgh Steelers have had positive of their own. Ben Roethlisberger is also among the league leaders in passing, while Willie Parker is having another successful year running the football. Hines Ward and Kellen Winslow have both been called out by opposing defense during the week, so it'll be interesting to see if either team actually goes through with their subliminal threats. This win would mean everything for the city of Cleveland, but Pittsburgh's simply doesn't let their guard down at home when they're playing great football.

This is the official gameday topic for the ninth game of the regular season, featuring the Cleveland Browns against the Pittsburgh Steelers. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!

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Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
uh, I think you boned up the prediction there, boss.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 12:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Opps, sorry about that. I must have hit "cut" instead of "paste" while formatting. Fixed now.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
In interesting news, they're actually showing the Browns game on TV out here. First time all season I'll be able to watch the actual game and not just the readouts from Sportsline and Yahoo's game centers.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
alright 3-out! Good first impression by the D.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gameday Inactives
Cleveland: QB Ken Dorsey (3rd QB), DB Kenny Wright, DB Ricardo Colclough, RB Jerome Harrison, LB D'Qwell Jackson, G Seth McKinney, WR Travis Wilson, DT Louis Leonard.

Pittsburgh: QB Brian St. Pierre (3rd QB), WR Willie Reid, FS Ryan Clark, RB Gary Russell, FB Dan Krieder, G Darnell Stapleton, T Trai Essex, TE Jerame Tuman.


Jerome Harrison is probably inactive due to the Steelers blitzing.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
First offensive play was fair...not too sure what happened though. Forced pass to Edwards on second down. Tremendous second-effort by Jurevicius on third down...looks like a first down :D

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
hell of a run by Lewis there
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
JAMAL LEWIS! Piledriving 12 yards...woot.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Hell yeah, first down Winslow! looking good thus far.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Winslow..AGAIN. The man is a machine.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Good ol' Joe. Just pure reliability.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Tremendous third-down reads by Anderson on this drive.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Man, this is just a hell of a drive. We're almost to 15 plays here.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
so far, it looks like we're not missing McKinney too much. So far.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WINSLOW FOR THE 6!
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Wow.  That was the best Browns drive I recall seeing since.....uh.....sometime back in the Kosar-era.  Maybe?

by APV on Nov 11, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
We struck first... our defense held to 3 and out, I am officially impressed.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 1:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Damn. What was that, 16 plays? like 9 minutes of clock? I'm doing a dance over here. Its not pretty.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Fucking Ward. I want someone to hit him so hard he gets a pathological fear of the color Orange.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Great play by Wright. Very nice
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Excellent plays by both Sean Jones, to stop Willie Parker on his deep run, and Eric Wright in the endzone.  Our young secondary stepped up and held them to 3.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 1:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Two drives and only three points given up by our defense in the first quarter of a game? That is a "great" start to the game for our standards.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
JOSHUA CRIBBS! RIDING HIS ASS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FIELD!

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
CRIBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBS! JOSHUA FUCKING CRIBS
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Lewis is running like he's 5 years younger. HA on the taunting penalty
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Well, I guess doing what everyone on earth knows you're gonna do doesn't work so great.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Ha, with that unsportsmanlike penalty, this is going to end up being like an 8-play drive that started five yards away from the endzone.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
There ya go. TOUCHDOWN, Cleveland Browns! And thing's couldn't be going better.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Remember when Vickers scored in Week 1? We were losing big time at the time.

Vickers scored again today, but this time, we're winning 14-3. Gotta love it! I love it!

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Holly just nailed Fucking Ward.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 1:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Romeo was ripping into Todd, that's good to see.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 1:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Another nice bend-but-don't-break defensive series for the Browns' defense with a third-and-short stop.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 1:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
INT!! Look at our safeties finally making big plays!

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
PICK! Defense is playing with pride out there!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
That was a hell of a pick by Pool.  Damn we're playing well.

by APV on Nov 11, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Nice timeout. Collect your thoughts after the Lewis fumble and great awareness by Fraley.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Offense looking a bit less effective these last two possessions.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Those toes are IN, baby! Throw the red flag
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Oh my god...I just saw that replay. Did Edwards actually get both toes down!?!

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Hell yes he did!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
TOUUUCHHHDOWWN for The Braylon!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Oh yeah, and congrats to Crennel for winning a challenge.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
21-6!!!  The Rivalry is back, now lets hope the defense can hold up like it has thus far.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
I want to be real uber-excited about this first half. but I just finished Jonathon Knight's book about the 85-89 teams, so my mind is still fresh with what often happens to Cleveland teams that start well.

ah hell with it. WHOOO GREAT FIRST HALF!

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Braylon Edwards!  That was incredible body control

by APV on Nov 11, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
HaHa, not only does Pittsburgh come out with a shitty receiver screen for no gain, they get a block in the back for a loss of ten!

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Now a ten-yarder on Ward for holding...smile all you want now asshole.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
God I hate that shit-eating grin of Ward's. Never wanted to punch a guy I've never met so much.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Our defensive schemes on this drive have looked pretty creative compared to usual, despite Big Ben hitting his receiver outside just before the two-minute bell.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
I think against any other team that would have been two sacks.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 2:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
SACK! Finally, freakin Ben is harder to take down than Cobra Kai
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Held them to another field goal, this time because of a sack! And, we get the ball first to start the second half.

My only complaint about the half? We should've taken a timeout after the sack. If Cribbs would've had a great return, we could've gotten a field goal. If the Steelers kicked it short, we may have only needed 20 yards to get into range. If we didn't have a good return, we could've kneeled it.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
I dont think we will see Cribbs get the ball much more today on kick offs.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Well, that half couldn't have gone much better. You're right about the TO, though. Gotta give Cribbs as many chances as possible.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Defense is overachieving like crazy.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
I can't decide whether I'm happy or not with the offense to start the second half. I don't want to force something in the rain, but we can't trust our defense to continue stopping Pittsburgh.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 2:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Well I'm not happy. They've stalled out. I know its raining, but we can't afford to go conservative.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Sweet, sack and fumble.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
All right...the defense is continuing to make some plays. It's become a game of field position, dare I say it.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Ugh...that fumble by Jamal Lewis has almost put a dagger in my heart.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Can't make mistakes against Pittsburgh at home. We've got to get the O back into rhythm or we're in trouble.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
At least the Steelers have a long field this time.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Not again... I can't take another game like last year.  We HAVE to get this win

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Defense with the stop! It's amazing how a sack in a drive causes more punts.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Sheesh...we've been stuck on 3rd-and-17 for about four straight plays. Dream scenario would be to come right out in the fourth quarter and hit Jurevicius on a big conversion for the third week in a row.

In reality, I expect another dumpoff to make the punt more reasonable, and gulp putting faith in our defense again.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
If the first drive of the game was one of the best I've ever seen, then that last one was easily one of the worst.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
8sigh* And so it begins.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Ugh...so sick to see Roethlisberger take it right up the gut for 30 frickin' yards...

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
With Hines Ward holding downfield.  No call.
When does my team get to be the team o'destiny?

by woodsmeister on Nov 11, 2007 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
No, not again.  We can still win this game. DA and the offense needs to step up, and we WILL win this game.  We have to, this team can't do this to us again, not two years in a row.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
OH. MY. GOD.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
ITS A MIRACLE!!!!

A sham turns into a magnificent play!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

by Zorgon on Nov 11, 2007 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
OMGZ CRIBBS!!! FOISDNFOSEIHJF$WERFHSDOIFHDOISVN

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
That was the single awesomest thing I've seen all year
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
My heart... wow this team is going to send me to an early grave!

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 3:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
This team's been trying to kill me for years. This game might just finish me off.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
time for the defense to step up again

by APV on Nov 11, 2007 3:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
We can't cover tight ends to save our lives

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 3:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Run defense is much improved today. Now, if we could just stop giving up passes for first downs and get some more of those sacks...and, y'know, maybe COVER SANTONIO HOLMES, we could be alright.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
I'm getting really tired of poor third-down defense in the second half.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Not sure 'poor' is a strong enough word.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
ah hell.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 3:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Thats not a TD, the ball was clearly still moving in his arms as he came down, he never had clear possession until after he hit the ground and rolled over, by then the ball touched the turf, NO GOOD

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Bad call, that was no Touchdown.  Doesnt matter, time for the Kardiac Kids to come back and get the TD to make the game.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 3:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Well, it's going to come down to Derek Anderson having to lead the Browns' first "positive" drive of the second half. No way they give Cribbs a shot.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 3:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Oh dont, not again.  I can't handle another one of those 4th quarter losses to PItt

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 3:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Oh my God that was completely awful.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
most important defensive stand of the game... JUST STOP THEM

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Please... just one more stop and we can win this game...

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 4:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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It's going to come down to...another Steelers third down play in the second half. Can we finally get a stop?

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 4:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
romeo may have blown it by wasting 2 timeouts on a challenge that was questionable in the first place

by mpstable on Nov 11, 2007 4:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
That was a mistake, but if we lose it will be because we couldn't stop them on third down, and we couldn't move the ball on third down.

by mkwng on Nov 11, 2007 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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you're right of course, but those timeouts woulda come in REALLY handy at the end there.  we woulda had a lot more time on the clock as we tried to drive for that FG

by mpstable on Nov 11, 2007 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Oh my God that was completely awful.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Gentlemen, I believe we're boned.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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At least ol' Joe is still clutch.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Phil Dawson, set the record do this for us...

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 4:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Oh please for the love of God make the damn kick.

I wonder if Tomlin will pull that time out just before the snap bullshit

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT'
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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God I hate the motherfucking asshole shitfaced fucking Steelers! I hate them SO MUCH
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
God hates the city of Cleveland, I'm convinced.  Two years in a row this has happened to us

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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I hate the Steelers, I'm sick we lost, but we did just take one of the top 3 teams in the NFL to the wire on the road.

by mkwng on Nov 11, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
If we had Jason Elam we'd be 7-2....and the Broncos would be winless.

by Zorgon on Nov 11, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Another day, another crushing disappointment. Par for the course in Brownsland, I suppose. Now if you'll excuse me, I need a drink. A big one.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 11, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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I'm a Jets fan with friends in Cleveland who roots for the Browns when the Jets aren't involved.  Watched today's game and, to me, the time out debacle on the extra point is among the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.  And I watched every game of the Kotite Era in NY.  If you had the timeouts you'd have gotten a much easier field goal attempt.  Crennel cost 'em the chance to win.  Close to a fire-able offense.

by JetsFan With A Comment on Nov 11, 2007 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Wow, you really are Jets fan. Fire-able offense? Hah!

by gahnki on Nov 11, 2007 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Oh well, at least the league knows we are for real.  We shouldn't drop out of anyone's power rankings with this loss.  When you take the best defense to the league down to the wire like that you should earn a lot of respect.

  We'll be back to Heinz Field, and when we get there you better believe the Browns will come ready to play.  We proved today we are a playoff calibre team by sticking it to the 3rd best team in the AFC (and arguably the league) and taking it to the final seconds.  We will beat the Ravens, and frankly I think we have the potential to beat every team on our schedule, with an upset or two at most, we could very easily end this season with 10-9 wins.  

 It just sucks that this has to happen the same weekend that the Buckeyes fall, is Ohio just cursed?

by Estonianzulu on Nov 11, 2007 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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I have no hard feelings about the Buckeyes. We weren't even supposed to win 10 games this year, and now we're playing for the Big Ten title against the team up North. We're young and going to lose a minimal amount of talent to the draft. Next year should be interesting. Of course we must take care of business in Ann Arbor next week.

by gahnki on Nov 11, 2007 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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That is bad, bad coaching.  Interested to hear Romeo 'splain that one in the press conference.

Jets-Browns on 12/9 right before they go to New England for what may be the biggest spread in an NFL game since who knows when.

by JetsFan With A Comment on Nov 11, 2007 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
It was bad time management, but you can't fire him for it. That'd be ridiculous.

by gahnki on Nov 11, 2007 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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This loss sucks.

But I really feel like I saw a team that is maturing.  And that looks like for the first time in how long? will actually reach maturity.  The Steelers did not hand us a defeat.  In many ways, we matched them stride for stride.  But they are a veteran team and we're not.  We played them in their house.  Those two things, plus our loose secondary, seemed to be the difference to me.  

How long since anyone felt we had a realistically good team?  We will get there.

by Cmon Cleveland on Nov 11, 2007 4:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Once again, the Steelers get the benefit of key no calls on their big plays, while the Browns get taken out of the game at the end by the referees.

Hines Ward was blatantly holding downfield on the Woerthlessburger touchdown.  Blatant.

On the key third down play in the fourth quarter where Anderson missed connections with Edwards on the sidelines, replays showed Polamalu clearly pushing Edwards in the back 15 yards downfield.  It should have illegal contact and an automatic first down for the Browns.

And then the call on the Cribbs punt return that essentially gave the game to the Steelers.

Not to mention the gift touchdown to Heath Miller on the ball he didn't have control of in the endzone.

My wife and her family are Steelers fans, and they don't understand when I tell them that the Steelers get the benefits of key calls more than any other team in the league.

The Browns deserved to lose because they couldn't get anything going in the second half - but still, it's hard to lose a game like this knowing that the referees clearly overlooked obvious penalties on key plays for the Steelers, and then dropped the hammer on the Browns, essentially giving the Steelers the game.

When does my team get to be the team o'destiny?

by woodsmeister on Nov 11, 2007 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Correction - Hines Ward was blatantly holding downfield on the third down Woerthlessburger scramble that gave them a first down inside the 5.
When does my team get to be the team o'destiny?

by woodsmeister on Nov 11, 2007 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Agree on all the missed calls. I yelled at the refs more than at the actual game going on.

by gahnki on Nov 11, 2007 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Anybody else think Jamal's forward progress was stopped before he fumbled?

by JulioBernazard on Nov 12, 2007 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Now, the attention has to be on the Ravens next week. We've got an easy schedule ahead of us, and every win gets us closer to a playoff berth.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 11, 2007 5:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Good game, great effort, and I think the Browns will get a lot out of this one.

C.H.U.D. and Crennel called way too conservative of an offensive game in the 2nd half. Get K2 and JJ involved again! Lewis wasn't getting anything... you had to throw a little more. It probably didn't help that DA's passes were so poor.

The O-line and the overall defense looked VERY good. I can't say the same thing for Jamal, though.

by JulioBernazard on Nov 11, 2007 8:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Thoughts after reading the game thread:

The Heath Miller TD was a catch. I wanted it not to be as badly as anyone, but he did make the play.

Willie McGinest was awful today. On the second 3rd down run he was obviously bad but the majority of the game he was a step slow or just beaten around. He looks every bit his age.

Crennel made a stupid mistake to call a timeout and then challenge. If he was going to challenge he should have done so right away. That call ultimately cost us the game, regardless of the other factors.

Anderson was bad for the first time today. I am not a QB coach so I don't know why but he sure was bad in that second half.

I don't see the maturing team that Cmon Cleveland does. Today I saw a team make some great special teams plays, have one good drive and play one half of defense. We were completely outplayed today and only the incomparable Josh Cribbs kept this from being another rout. Pittsburgh gained 401 yds to our 168 and nearly had more yards rushing than we did of offense, they held the ball for 17 minutes more than we did, they converted 50% of 3rd downs and they demonstrated what a competent defense can do.

Are we getting better? Maybe. Are we still mediocre at best? Yes. This is a Browns team that is not even close to the same level as the elite teams in the league right now. I'm encouraged like we all are by the 5-4 record but we have a very long way to go.

At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 12, 2007 12:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
We were about 6 feet from taking one of the best teams in the NFL to overtime.

I'd definitely say we're maturing/improving.

by JulioBernazard on Nov 12, 2007 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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We got destroyed by almost every objective measure. All yesterday demonstrated was how good Joshua Cribbs is. We are 5-4 and should feel blessed to be there.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 12, 2007 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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There is one objective measure in which we were not destroyed... points.

 In the end, points are what matters.  Look at the Chargers-Colts game.  The Colts are an 'elite' team, but Manning, one of the best QB's in the league, threw 6 interceptions and his team lost to a mediocre Chargers team.

 It is easy to say we are mediocre, but given how far we have come and how well we have done thus far,  we deserve credit.  Yes, Cribbs gave us that huge TD, but who is to say we wouldn't have driven down the field and got a TD with the offense?  If it wasn't for the time factor, we might have on that last drive.

 We are 5-4, no doubts either way.  However, it is painful to note that we are literally two bad time outs away from being 7-2.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 12, 2007 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Also! Time of posession and total yards are "ruined" a little bit by Cribbs's big returns.

Yes, their offense performed better than us -- particularly on third down -- but we hung with them the whole game.

by JulioBernazard on Nov 12, 2007 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Did we though? We were awful on offense and not much better on defense. Without Cribbs this game is 31-14. How does that look? We are mediocrity defined and, honestly, I am happy with that. We are making strides and could be a good team in a year or two. All I am saying is that in making the argument we are getting better there is no room for yesterday's game. It was a worse than awful performance. We were clearly outclassed.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 12, 2007 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Special teams is one-third of the game. Why should CLE apologize if the Browns are good at it, and PIT sucks at it?

by JulioBernazard on Nov 12, 2007 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
We shouldn't. That does not change the fact they dominated every other aspect of the game.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 12, 2007 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
The total yards stat was also distorted by the short field we had in two of the scoring drives. Total yards is a stat that is more regarded than it should be. In the end the final score is all that matters. We didn't adequately adjust on offense, and our D just gave out.

by gahnki on Nov 14, 2007 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Yes, our offense really let the defense down on Sunday. There is no way you can leave them on the field that long and expect positive results. Look, I am still just as happy about this start as the next guy. I just think that we were completely dominated last week and the 31-28 scoreline did not really convey that.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 15, 2007 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Didn't special teams possibly play a role in our offense not staying on the field enough though? Granted, it set up two scores, but it also created longer stretches in which our offense may have lost rhythm while sending the defense right back onto the field.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 15, 2007 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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