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Tides Turning in 27-17 Win Over Houston

Box Score
Team 1 2 3 4 Final
7 3 0 7 17
0 14 3 10 27

Do you know what's amazing? The Browns have scored 27 points or more in there past six games. During that stretch, the Browns have a 5-1 record, making them the hottest team in the NFL besides the Patriots, Packers, and Cowboys. Throughout that time though, the point differential in victory wasn't too impressive. Sure, we beat the Dolphins and Rams by ten and seven points respectively, but that should've been a given considering they were both winless at the time (Miami still is). We were forced to win two games in that six game stretch by a field goal in overtime -- one against a pretty good Seahawks team and the other against a pretty bad Ravens team. The team's ten point victory over the Houston Texans this past Sunday was what we had been waiting for though. We've been calling for a defensive showing all season long. We got it.

As the team's confidence is building, it's time to jump right into the game balls and then the regrettable game goats...

Awarding Game Balls (Are the Tides Turning?)
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  2. Brandon McDonald: I don't think it's fair to make excuses and say that Andre Johnson struggled because he was still recovering from his injuries. Johnson wasn't denied a 100-yard game the first two weeks of the season, and he wasn't denied a 100-yard game the week prior to facing the Browns. With rookie cornerback Eric Wright out with an injury, I expected much of the pressure to be on veterans Leigh Bodden and Daven Holly. Instead, the Browns used another rookie cornerback -- Brandon McDonald -- to cover Johnson in key passing situations. This was basically McDonald's first chance at receiving significant playing time this season, and he came through more than anyone could've expected times ten. He broke up several passes, had a critical interception in zone coverage, and made plays on special teams. Johnson was held to three catches for 37 yards, a season low.
  3. D'Qwell Jackson: Two defensive players getting the game balls? That's most certainly a first this season (although to be fair, Jamal Lewis and Kellen Winslow deserve game balls too). The Browns' run defense had slowly been getting better and better over the past several weeks, but with Jackson back in the lineup full time, the defense kept the Texans to a total of 77 yards rushing. Jackson had about 11 tackles, an early pass break up, and a nifty interception after a tipped ball by Andra Davis.


Goats of the Game (Almost Blew the Game)

  1. Darnell Dinkins: I don't like it when television networks do not show a replay of what happened after a penalty is called. After Joshua Cribbs' 29-yard kick return with about seven minutes left in the second quarter, Dinkins was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct (or a personal foul) after the play, resulting in a 15-yard penalty. I can't comment directly on what he did considering I didn't see it, but referees don't usually throw flags for nothing. For being a big-time special teams player, Dinkins seems to be the only guy on the unit getting flagged for things. It cost us once against the Steelers, whether he was guilty or not, and it could cost us again down the stretch.
  2. Dave Zastudil: First, two defensive players get game balls, and then two special teams players get game goats. The wind definitely seemed to be a problem in the stadium on Sunday, but even with that in mind, I'd have to imagine that Zastudil could have gotten off some better boots.
General Thoughts (Random Tidbits on the Game)
  1. Hit 'Em Hard: Jamal Lewis isn't getting weaker, he's getting stronger. Against the Texans, I think it was confirmed that Lewis is ready to get the job done in the month of December against teams that aren't known for stopping the ground game. Props to offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski for continuing to run the ball, even when it didn't work out as we would've preferred in the first couple of series. As the game went on, there were more counters in which our guards did a tremendous job securing a hole for Lewis. It was Lewis' first 100+ yard rushing performance since Week 2, as crazy as that sounds. He finished with 29 carries for 134 yards and a touchdown.
  2. Pool's Shot: I criticized Brodney Pool earlier this season for not playing to the level of a starting safety. The first drastic improvement he made -- or perhaps Todd Grantham made in play calling -- was not being isolated man-to-man on the deep ball. Now that teams aren't going deep against us, Pool has the ability to do what he does best: roam around. Last week, that resulted in a 100-yard interception return. This week, it resulted in a tremendous hit on Texans tight end Owen Daniels, turning a first-down and goal from the five into a 41-yard field goal by kicker Kris Brown.
  3. K.J. Syndrome: Joe Jurevicius is usually money on third down plays, but he had Kevin Johnson syndrome against the Texans in the sense that most of his routes were run a yard shy of the first down (although Johnson's problem was more so that he'd catch and fall a yard before the marker). Jurevicius had five catches in the game, and three of them came up one to three yards short of the marker on a third-down play.
  4. On the Other Hand: You had to love the execution on third-and-one early in the second quarter by the Browns. Anderson play-faked beautifully and then found Jurevicius on a short pass right over the middle. Jurevicius did the rest, scampering for a 25-yard gain. Why did the play work so effectively? Up until that point, the Browns had been failing in short yardage situations on the ground, yet they continued sticking with it. The Texans completely bit for the run, allowing Jurevicius to be left uncovered.
  5. Percent Doesn't Matter: It doesn't matter whether Kellen Winslow is thirty percent healthy of sixty percent healthy; he's going to give it his all on gameday. Winslow made ten tough catches for a total of 107 yards and a touchdown. There's nothing that can get you more pumped up than watching Winslow leap up in coverage, protect the ball perfectly as he's coming down, take a big shot, and hold on. Although, watching Braylon Edwards hurl a fastball after catching a touchdown or Jamal Lewis hurdle over defenders can get you just as pumped.
  6. Things Happen: It's easy to blame the offense for not converting in some situations, like when Lawrence Vickers failed to get the first down on a fourth-and-short carry in the first quarter. However, sometimes you have to give props to the opposing defense, and this is one of those cases. You can't convert them all, right? It was interesting that Joshua Cribbs was lined up in the backfield though.
  7. Wish Granted: All season, Shaun Smith has been getting screwed in my opinion. Granted, he was fortunate to have a shot at starting at defensive end in place of Orpheus Roye, but he was supposed to be our defensive tackle. With Ted Washington done for the year and Ethan Kelley inactive Sunday, Smith finally got his shot and he came through with another sack. Watching the big man plug the middle made me actually feel like our defensive line has come a long way since the season started (although, that doesn't mean my overall opinion that the position should be addressed in the offseason has changed).
  8. Bodden's Picking Up: When Leigh Bodden slipped, from being fooled, early in the game by receiver Kevin Walter, I started shaking my head in fear that it'd be another long day for the veteran cornerback. After McDonald started making plays though, Bodden seemed to follow his trend and start breaking up some passes of his own. Bodden also quickly dove on the football after Kamerion Wimbley had jarred it free later in the game from tight end Owen Daniels.
  9. Picked by a Mile: We've gotten pretty used to Derek Anderson stepping up in the pocket and firing throws all season long. I'm sure many of you sensed danger just from the mere sight of Anderson pump faking hesitantly and then delivering a loft pass deep towards the sideline in the second quarter, because I certainly did. As soon as I saw the form, I thought one of two things: the ball would be intercepted, or one of our receivers was somehow left uncovered by at least 15 yards. Chances are it wasn't the latter, and sure enough the pass was picked off. After the game, Anderson stated that he knew what he did wrong, handling the situation appropriately (which I liked).
  10. Former Teammates: I forgot to mention in my gameday preview that Antwan Peek was returning to face his former team. Peek was quiet most of the game, until he recorded a big sack in the second half on Matt Schaub deep in Texans territory. On the next play, Schaub was intercepted by McDonald. Andre Davis did a fair job hanging onto the ball for the Texans, catching three passes for 51 yards. Props to safety Sean Jones for a perfect tackle on third down just shy of a first down. I still don't know how Jones was able to prevent Davis from getting yards after the catch on that play.
  11. Better Officiating: Compared to last week's crew, I thought the officiating was much better in this game. They seemed to get all of the tough calls correctly, including the one in which Texans fans felt Anderson was past the line of scrimmage when throwing the ball on one particular play. In order for a flag to be called, his entire body would've needed to have been past the line of scrimmage, and you could tell that part of his foot and/or arm was still behind it.
  12. Late Defense: It was discouraging to see the Texans drive the ball late for an easy touchdown, but give a mulligan to the defense after the overall day they had.
  13. Brownies: Defensive back Nick Sorensen impressed me for the second week in a row on special teams. He also did a nice job this week hanging onto the ball on an onside kick attempt by the Texans. Steve Heiden had one of his lone chances at making a big reception this season, and pass interference or not, the connection wasn't made near the goal line, resulting in a field goal. Joshua Cribbs' return stats go down when our defense gives up less points, but that doesn't mean he didn't play a factor. Jerome Harrison should have been activated for the game. It's hard to explain why since we're scoring so many points already, but I've gotten greedy and can't help it. Phil Dawson is on pace to make 27.6 field goals this season. His career high is 27 made field goals, which came two seasons ago.

The confidence has to be high for Browns fans. Because the Tennessee Titans lost (thanks Cincinnati), the Browns are in sole possession of the AFC's sixth playoff spot. It's a shame the Pittsburgh Steelers came away with a 3-0 victory over the Miami Dolphins on Monday Night, because it would've been great knowing that we were tied for the division lead when it looked like Pittsburgh was in line for two automatic victories (Jets/Dolphins). The Browns have the Cardinals this Sunday, and although they made quite a few mistakes this past Sunday at home, there's no questioning that they have the talent to go down to the wire in a shootout with us.

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Re: Tides Turning in 27-17 Win Over Houston
Great recap of the game. Winslow was fantastic. One thing it seems he does less of this year is the posturing. Several times I expected him to go into one of his first down celebrations (which I have to admit I kind of like) and he has simply handed the ball to a ref and headed back to the huddle. He has (apparently) matured this year and is just a joy to watch.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 29, 2007 12:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Funny you mention that, because I considered talking about either that or the fact that Winslow stated he plays through thirty to sixty percent pain. I chose to mention the pain factor.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 29, 2007 12:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Here is a good note for us.  No Adrian Wilson for Arizona

by Estonianzulu on Nov 29, 2007 12:30 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I don't believe he played against the 49ers either, and I was hoping we wouldn't have to go through him either. I shall have more on it tomorrow; also appears that Antrel Rolle will start at corner instead of Ralph Brown.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 29, 2007 12:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Tides Turning in 27-17 Win Over Houston
BTW, on another note, I again encourage everyone to visit Hogs Haven again, as they have had outstanding coverage on the Sean Taylor incident from a non main-stream media perspective. If you guys go check it out, I think you'll see what I mean.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 29, 2007 12:58 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Tides Turning in 27-17 Win Over Houston
I do enjoy all of the coverage there but it rather stilted in the "how could Sean have done anything wrong?" sense. I understand that they are traumatized but it seems a bit naive to cover it in that way.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 29, 2007 12:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I appreciate the input.

I want to make absolutely clear that the "stilted" coverage of "how could Sean have done anything wrong" (though I wouldn't have used that language, more below) is by design. I think on the record of facts currently available, Sean hasn't committed a serious moral wrong. He did not assault anyone with a weapon, according to the State of Florida. He did not drive while under the influence, according to the state of Virginia. He does not have an (available on current public records) history of criminal behavior.

I am not saying that Sean Taylor is Mother Theresa. I think we all know that he played the game at a high level of intensity and he did some things that earned him on-field fines. Fortunately, that kind of thing never bothered me, though it might you.

Furthermore, I don't want to say that Sean could not possibly have done anything wrong. For all I know, he was murdered in a drug deal gone wrong. I don't have access to the minds of the Miami-Dade PD. However, it is customary that someone's character not be assassinated on imaginary facts yet revealed. It would not be fair for me to respond to this post by saying "Don't listen to fwembt, in 2 days time he will hit an old woman's car and then drive off without notifying the authorities." Until evidence that you've done anything wrong is available, it isn't fair for me ti impugn you on it. That would be moral condemnation through fiction.

On the record available, I think you'll have a very difficult time finding evidence that Sean Taylor has done anything truly morally reprehensible.

by Skin Patrol on Nov 29, 2007 1:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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BTW...

That's just my opinion, and I offer it respectfully. Your point was well made enough that I felt compelled to respond.

by Skin Patrol on Nov 29, 2007 1:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Well thanks very much for answering. I, obviously, meant no offence. I can agree with you that Taylor was never convicted of the crimes. My point would be more along the lines that Taylor has clearly not lived a lifestyle that is conducive to complete well being. Is that fair enough? To say he has not been convicted and therefore has not committed a "serious moral wrong" is a bit disingenuous. I have a bit of a background in criminology and feel safe saying that something happened that led to those charges being filed in the first place. Very, very rarely do charges simply get created from nothing.

That said, I do agree that what happened was an absolute tragedy. No man deserves to be gunned down in front of his woman and child, regardless of what wrongs he may have committed. It is disgusting and completely indefensible. I do think that there is some connection between his past and what happened but that is, of course, nothing but speculation. Again, thank you for the discussion and I hope that you see your way here again to read this.

At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 30, 2007 12:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'll address the two incident, which were a DUI (dropped) and an aggravated assault charge (dropped).

Regarding the DUI, a judge reviewed the video evidencec of the arresting officers field sobriety test (with audio) and immediatley dismissed the charge. The refusal to take a breathalyzer was also dropped because the arresting officer lacked probable cause, per a judge.

There is no question that Sean Taylor confronted the people who stole ATVs from him. The issue in dispute was the presence of a handgun, hence the aggravated assault charge. Sean Taylor has repeatedly and emphatically denied the presence of a gun. The state's key witness, Ryan Hill, said there was a gun. The problem with Hill is that he's a convicted felon (of grand theft auto, which is what ATV theft classifies as) and probably perjured himself over the course of the investigation. He also stole the ATVs and has since used the entire incident to try and extort money out of Sean Taylor, now Sean Taylor's estate. As you might imagine, Ryan Hill isn't exactly the most reliable witness; for good reason. He's a thief and a liar. Sean Taylor plead out on simple battery and simple assault, both misdemeanors, which is totally consistent with his account of the story. He punched Ryan Hill. If someone stole my property, I'd punch them too.

Also there is the matter of the original State Attorney that filed the aggravated assault charges removing himself from the case under very suspect circumstances. Very soon after a veteran SA took over the case, the aggravated assault charge was dropped. If Taylor's attorney is to be believed, the state admitted that charges should never have been brought in the first. This is consistent with their public statement after trial, which made no mention of a gun, which is an "aggravating" factor.

I would caution against discrediting the judicial system to the extent that people who are not convicted of crimes are still guilty of them in virtue of having been arrested. I am sure that you know, with your background in criminology, that sometimes police simply harass or err, and sometimes witnesses simply lie. Remember that Sean Taylor was never arrested in the aggravated assault case as well; he turned himself in.

by Skin Patrol on Nov 30, 2007 8:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Again, I do not argue that Sean Taylor is the next Charles Manson. But there is, however frail, a suggestion that he has lived in such a manner than may have aggravated someone to the extent they would take action against him. And, while the police do sometimes err, there are also examples where a famous and popular person receives undo aid from the state. It is not right either way, but it happens.

Look, I don't want to make him out to be a vicious criminal. But to say that the state dropping the charges means that nothing of substance happened is a bit risky. Whether or not Sean brandished a firearm, he still broke the law in committing at least two crimes in that incident. Saying that Hill is a thief ergo he must be a liar as well just doesn't wash. It comes down to a case of he said-he said. Could not the argument be made that the state helped the famous athlete and ignored Hill because they saw him as less important? Also, the gun could not be mentioned afterward because the "aggravated" part of the charge was dropped. No matter what the state believed it would have been a violation of procedure to continue to mention the presence of a gun.

All of this to say this. It's too bad what happened to Sean Taylor but to cast him as blameless and to brush aside his problems with the law is to look through the rose coloured glasses of the bereaved. Even Taylor's friends have said that he ran with a rough and unlawful crowd. Despite a thin tissue of excuses that can be made to cover the incidents, there is a residue of facts that cannot be removed. Sean Taylor broke the law on some occasion and doing so may just have been what cost him his life.

At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Nov 30, 2007 11:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Look, I don't want to make him out to be a vicious criminal. But to say that the state dropping the charges means that nothing of substance happened is a bit risky.
I didn't say that. I conceded, as Sean Taylor did in court, that he had a fight with Ryan Hill.

The only evidence the state ever had that Sean Taylor pulled a gun on Ryan Hill was the testimony of Ryan Hill, which contradicts Sean Taylor's testimony directly. The State had the evidence and they decided that putting Ryan Hill's word against that of Sean Taylor's wasn't going to pass muster with a trier of fact. Why do you insist that Ryan Hill is a more reliable witness than Sean Taylor then? That is not the conclusion I, or the State of Florida, reached.

Whether or not Sean brandished a firearm, he still broke the law in committing at least two crimes in that incident.
This is not in dispute. They were misdemeanors. Have you ever been in a fist fight? Do you know anyone who has been in a fist fight? Do you think someone stealing your ATVs is a good enough reason to confront them?
Saying that Hill is a thief ergo he must be a liar as well just doesn't wash. It comes down to a case of he said-he said. Could not the argument be made that the state helped the famous athlete and ignored Hill because they saw him as less important?
The answer is of course not. The state used the testimony of Ryan Hill to create a case against Sean Taylor. It was brought to light that Ryan Hill was not a credible witness. The state bent over backwards to help Ryan Hill, especially in never asking him tough questions regarding the incident immediately after the fight where people peppered Sean Taylor's SUV with automatic weapon fire. Somehow, no charges were filed in that incident.

If the state wanted to help a famous athlete, they would have done so at some point before a year into the case. They would not have charged him after he turned himself in to police. They would have dismissed Ryan Hill's claim as insincere and frivolous, which they could have done even if they didn't have any special affinity for Sean Taylor. Your assertion that the SA's office was biased towards Taylor is completely contrary to the available facts.

Also, the gun could not be mentioned afterward because the "aggravated" part of the charge was dropped. No matter what the state believed it would have been a violation of procedure to continue to mention the presence of a gun.
Which, incidentally, would be true if there really wasn't a gun as well. Right?
Even Taylor's friends have said that he ran with a rough and unlawful crowd. Despite a thin tissue of excuses that can be made to cover the incidents, there is a residue of facts that cannot be removed. Sean Taylor broke the law on some occasion and doing so may just have been what cost him his life.
No one is disputing that Sean Taylor may have associated with people who exercised bad judgment (but those people are unnamed). The only thing Sean Taylor is guilty of as of this moment is getting in a fist fight with Ryan Hill. You seem to think that the word of Ryan Hill is due more deference than that of Sean Taylor, but again, this is where you are in disagreement with the Florida State Attorney's office and the People of Florida.

As to Hill being a liar, yes, I think him stealing ATVs does make him a liar, in fact I think that's precisely what he lied about. In May last year he told a newspaper that he'd never stolen an ATV in his life. He neglected to mention that he'd been arrested as the driver of a car with two reported stolen ATVs in the bed with their ignitions torn out on March 4th, 2006. That was his second arrest for Grand Theft Auto. He had already been pleaded guilty to Grand Theft Auto a few years prior in a separate incident.

On his word is your only basis that Sean Taylor pulled a gun on anyone. The ASA who originally filed the charges was not at the fight, and thus relied on witness testimony. Sean Taylor was there and was a witness. Given hindsight, given that Sean Taylor's, and not Ryan Hill's, car was the one that got shot up after the fight, given that Ryan Hill has since used this entire debacle to his advantage in a 15+K civil suit, I tend to think the State Attorney's Office was right in giving up their charge of aggravated assault against Sean Taylor for lack of evidence. In the absence of any credible evidence that Taylor pulled a gun on anyone, why are you insisting he did? (Because Ryan Hill said so.)

by Skin Patrol on Nov 30, 2007 12:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Well you greatly misinterpreted what I said. I was merely trying to show that there is another side to it. You are assuming I believe Rich Hill, I never said that. You start with the assumption that Sean Taylor told the truth, that was point at the start and all you have done thus far is further reinforce that. You overlook the fact that the state has before bent over backward to help an athlete in a bind. All I am saying is that it is very possible that happened again. You continue to look at this very partially, I don't blame you but don't pretend to be objective.

That said, I don't want to argue it. Let's agree it was a horrible thing and just agree to disagree on the rest. I feel bad for you and all fans of Sean Taylor.

At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 1, 2007 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I don't understand what is partial about it. Either Sean Taylor is telling the truth or Ryan Hill is telling the truth. If you don't believe Ryan Hill, you believe Sean Taylor.

The "fact" that the state has bent over backward to help "an" athlete in a bind before has no necessary bearing on this instance; do you know that the State bent over backwards to help Sean Taylor? Does any of their behavior suggest that to be the case? Is this even relevant?

I'm not trying to just drive this into the ground for the sake of being difficult. A (now) dead man spent a considerable amount of his life defending his name against an accuser who, by all accounts, was a liar. He can't do that anymore. And the "fact" that athletes have been helped before by the justice system (who? OJ Simpson? In what way was he helped? Michael Vick? Was he helped? When has the state bent over backwards to help an athlete? I'm not being flippant, I just want one example.) doesn't condemn all future athletes of gulit the instant they're charged, does it? Doesn't everyone deserve their fair day in court?

If you think Sean Taylor did something wrong, say so. Tell me why. Tell me one what basis you think the original accusations, since dropped, were meritorious. If you think it is "very possible that happened again" than explain why. In what ways have I failed to examine the facts objectively? Have I given too little weight to the testimony of Ryan Hill? Have I given too much to that of Sean Taylor? Is there some crime scene evidence that you have that I'm unaware of? A gun? An extra witness? Even anything circumstantial?

by Skin Patrol on Dec 1, 2007 1:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'll meet you halfway, or the whole way. I've taken this argument too far and will drop it now. Obviously I feel passionately about something, and you disagree on certain elements. That's fine; reasonable minds are allowed to do so.

Have a good weekend.

by Skin Patrol on Dec 2, 2007 12:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Absolutely. You have as good a weekend as possible as well.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 2, 2007 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Ralph Brown will be their Nickel Corner.  That can only be good news for us.
Also, after his TDs, KWII looks for his closest teammate to celebrate with.  He clearly is about the team and not himself.
It seems the Browns have came to play w/out any letdowns since the Oakland game.  I expect more of the same this weekend.
If J-Lew can continue to churn out yards, I think we win 24-17, slighly less scoring than most expect.

by dawginphilly on Nov 29, 2007 11:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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