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Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals

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Game: Cleveland Browns (7-4) vs. Arizona Cardinals (5-6)
Where: University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale, AZ)
When: 4:15 PM EST
Announcers: Greg Gumbel & Dan Dierdorf (CBS)

Are you ready for a Super Bowl preview? Ok, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself if I'm saying the Browns will return to Glendale, Arizona in February to take on the NFC's best, but I'm looking forward to seeing the Browns play in this stadium in what is bound to be a high scoring game. Both teams were strong wildcard hopefuls in their respective conferences prior to last week's games, but each team experienced a different result. While the Browns played very well at home against the Houston Texans, the Cardinals blew several opportunities to put the San Francisco 49ers away. Thus, the Browns currently hold a wildcard spot in the AFC, while the Cardinals are stuck in about a six-way tie for seventh place in the NFC (which, of course, gets you nothing come January).

Just like I did last week, I'm going to highlight a couple of other games to watch today. These games will have the most significant impact on the Browns' playoff chances:

Houston Texans (5-6) vs. Tennessee Titans (6-5): After the Texans did a favor by losing to us last week, they could certainly do us another favor by beating the Titans, which would give the Browns a two-game lead assuming we take out the Cardinals. The worst case scenario would be if the Titans won and the Browns lost: there would be a tie for the wildcard spot based on records, but we would still hold the advantage due to a better conference record. With Albert Haynesworth scheduled to return to the lineup for the Texans, I think Houston will be in disarray on offense. In this game, you can bank on the Titans taking out the Texans.

Cincinnati Bengals (4-7) vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (8-3): The Bengals came through for the Browns last week by beating the Titans, and boy would they come through for us again this week with a win over the Steelers. Pittsburgh's offense has not put points on the board the past two weeks, but a home game against the Bengals' defense should cure that. Cincinnati's offense has caught fire too, but overall the communication and protection problems have been an issue for them against the league's top defenses. In this game, you can count on the Steelers maintaining their one-game lead on the Browns with a win.

Now, here's the preview for the showdown between the Browns and the Cardinals...

OFFENSE

Category Browns Cardinals
Points Scored 28.6 (3rd) 23.1 (10th)
Passing 243.4 (11th) 246.2 (10th)
Rushing 107.8 (16th) 87.6 (27th)
Total Offense (yards) 351.2 (9th) 333.8 (14th)

DEFENSE

Category Browns Cardinals
Points Scored 28.3 (32nd) 23.5 (24th)
Passing 266.5 (30th) 216.6 (19th)
Rushing 131.4 (28th) 101.1 (15th)
Total Defense (yards) 397.9 (32nd) 317.7 (12th)
- Quarterback
It's been an interesting couple of years for veteran quarterback Kurt Warner. He had three great seasons with the St. Louis Rams, but then was ousted by current Rams quarterback Marc Bulger. Then, he was brought to the Giants for one year to help guide Eli Manning along. It's hard to believe he's spent three seasons with the Arizona Cardinals now, but his best shot at playoff contention came this season after Matt Leinart went down with a season-ending injury. Warner has played with a large cast on his non-throwing arm the past several weeks, and it hasn't slowed him down considering he threw for nearly 500 yards last week. The Cardinals like to bring in Tim Rattay in the game in situations down near the goal line, and the formula has worked in Arizona's favor. Derek Anderson's season still far outweighs that of the Cardinals' quarterbacks. The biggest, and most underrated statistic I'd look at is lost fumbles: Warner has lost five fumbles in nine games, while Anderson has lost just one fumble in eleven games. When and if Anderson gets hit, he's not coughing it up, where as Warner drops it nearly as much as Drew Bledsoe used to if you pressure him enough.
- Running Back
The running game was supposed to be a winning formula for the Cardinals this year. It is Edgerrin James' second year in the system, and through the first two games of the season it looked like the Cardinals would finally become a complete team on offense after he averaged 100 yards per game. Instead, he's failed to reach the 100-yard mark despite having numerous games in which he's received 25 carries. James isn't breaking big runs, and that's going to be a plus for the Browns. Jamal Lewis has looked fresh over the past few weeks, proving he's still capable of gaining steam in the second half of games against some of the lower-ranked run defenses. The 49ers were able to get Frank Gore involved in the passing game often last week; I think it's key that the Browns use Jerome Harrison and Jason Wright often in checkdown situations.
- Receiver
The Browns would be favored here if we find out that Larry Fitzgerald is ruled out, but I do expect him to start. The Cardinals' receivers are the NFC's equivalent of what the Browns have to offer. Fitzgerald has averaged over 100 yards receiving in his past ten games, just about the best in the NFL. Since Anquan Boldin returned from an injury, he's been featured a little less in the passing game but still enough to the point where he's a significant threat. Tight end Leonard Pope's also been a threat recently; he has 11 catches for 148 yards and 3 touchdowns in his past four games. Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow are still making fantastic catches for the Browns, while Joe Jurevicius is playing as good as he did in his Super Bowl season with the Seahawks. When you have the amount of talent these two teams have at the receiver position, it's no wonder the quarterbacks are among the league's best.
- Offensive Line
The Cardinals' offensive line has improved a lot since last season, and right tackle Levi Brown has a lot to do with that. The Cardinals originally wanted left tackle Joe Thomas, but the Browns snagged him before they picked at No. 5. Warner has only been sacked 13 times in nine games, but that also has to do with the fact that he tries to get rid of the football even when pressure is right in his face. The Browns' offensive line improved since last year too, but a lot more than the Cardinals' line did. The biggest differential factor comes down to run blocking -- while the Browns aren't the best at it, they rank 16th in the league where the Browns rank 27th in the league.
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Defensive Line
I like the improvements that the Browns' defensive line has made over the past few weeks, stemming from Orpheus Roye back at defensive end and Shaun Smith starting at nose tackle. Roye's status is up in the air for this game, and I'll be concerned if he can't go because I think that'll hurt our linebackers' ability to blitz through the line. The Browns are going to have their hands full trying to contain defensive tackle Darnell Dockett, who has eight sacks this season. The Cardinals have shown the ability to get some push up front, but that should create some opportunities for the Browns to effectively run some counters and draws in the running game.

- Linebacker
Last week, D'Qwell Jackson really provided a necessary spark for the defense. We needed a sure tackler back in the lineup, and that's what Jackson provides. Having him in the game this week should help ensure that James doesn't break out any big runs that he hasn't been used to having the past two seasons. Kamerion Wimbley has benefited from Todd Grantham's more aggressive blitzing approach the past two weeks; more opportunities haven't shown up on the stat sheet for him individually, but it has helped the opposing quarterback step up into another defender. The Cardinals' have a nice trio of sound linebackers in Calvin Pace, Gerald Hayes, and Karlos Dansby. Together, the three of them are the team's top three tacklers, and they have 11 sacks as a unit. They can make the plays, but they can't take over a game or stay with a guy like Winslow over the middle.
- Secondary
This is the big one: Pro Bowl safety Adrian Wilson is out for the season, and so is starting cornerback Eric Green. That forced former first-round pick Antrel Rolle into a starting role. Although Rolle had a big game against Carson Palmer a few weeks ago, there's a reason why he hadn't been starting this season: he was underachieving. Ralph Brown will also be forced into a more active role in nickel back formations, and based on how horrible he played for us last year, I see opportunity written all over the place if we throw towards his direction. Eric Wright will probably be out with an injury today, meaning Brandon McDonald will be forced into covering the Cardinals' top receiver in three-receiver sets. I need to see McDonald reproduce last week's effort before I can mentally have more faith in him.
- Special Teams
The Cardinals are far from the Browns' level on special teams, and it was illustrated in last week's game alone. First, the Cardinals' punter failed to snap the ball in time in overtime on what would have been a game-winning field goal. Then, the kicker, Neil Rackers, missed the following short field goal. Rackers has been very inconsistent this season, and fans want him out of the city. Then, speedy returner made a dumb decision by fielding a punt from the one-yard line in overtime, eventually leading to Warner fumbling at the end. The Cardinals brought in a new punter during the week, which may or may not play to our advantage when Cribbs returns punts.

FINAL PREDICTION:
Cleveland Browns 41, Arizona Cardinals 24.
The Browns have scored 27 or more points in each of their past six games. The Cardinals have scored 31 or more points in each of their past three games. If you're looking for an offensive showdown, then this is it. Defenses have quickly started to learn that against these two teams, you can't bank on shutting the likes of Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow, Larry Fitzgerald, and Anquan Boldin down. Instead, you have to force a critical turnover. Each team has experienced a critical turnover in their most recent losses; for the Browns, Jamal Lewis fumbled several weeks ago against the Pittsburgh Steelers. For the Cardinals, there were many reasons why they blew it, but the game ended when Kurt Warner fumbled in his own end zone in overtime.

Overall, turnovers have affected the Cardinals a lot more than they have the Browns, and that's not a good sign considering Arizona's injuries at the moment. It was learned that cornerback Eric Green and safety Adrian Wilson will be lost for the rest of the season, forcing the young Antrel Rolle into a starting position. Braylon Edwards, Joe Jurevicius, and Kellen Winslow haven't had a bad week since Anderson has taken over at quarterback, and they should be able to feast on Arizona's defense all day long. Jamal Lewis gaining steam, and Cleveland's offensive line should overmatch the Cardinals' defensive line. The Browns' defense still has plenty of holes, but they've begun to shore them up over the past few weeks: takeaways, sacks, and points allowed have gone down. The Cardinals are potent, but the Browns are further along at this point.

This is the official gameday topic for the Cleveland Browns in Week 13 as they square off against the Arizona Cardinals. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!

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Fitzgerald and Roye Among Inactives
Some big-time inactives for today's game:

Cleveland Browns: QB Ken Dorsey (3rd QB), CB Eric Wright, DB Ricardo Colclough, G Isaac Sowells, C Greg Eslinger, NT Ethan Kelley, WR Travis Wilson, DE Orpheus Roye.


Arizona Cardinals: QB Tim Hasselbeck (3rd QB), WR Larry Fitzgerald, FB Tim Castille, DB Aaron Francisco, T Elton Brown, WR Jerheme Urban, DE Bo Schobel, DT Ross Kolodziej.


-The Browns will be without Eric Wright on defense, meaning Daven Holly will start and Brandon McDonald will be in on nickel packages.

-Orpheus Roye and Ethan Kelley are out, so Simon Fraser will probably start at defensive end. Not good.

-Jerome Harrison is ACTIVE. I wonder if this means we'll use him like the 49ers did with Frank Gore, as I suggested last night.

-Larry Fitzgerald is OUT for the Cardinals, so Bryant Johnson will start in his place. Anquan Boldin is just as dangerous, but at least it's more comparable to last week's situation where Andre Johnson was the only "main" threat.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 3:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
try not to mark out too hard when Harrison gets a carry, Chris.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Thats right, give them a steady diet of Braylon
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Ugh, a pick six...

I need to see a better replay, but it looks like Tim Carter did a horrible job of coming back to the football.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Terrible way to start. If this game's gonna be a shootout, we can't make mistakes like that.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Oh good Lord. What the fuck is wrong with Horse Balls?
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Okay..

Why are we making mistakes that a team with the record of the Miami Dolphins would make?

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Any points on this drive is Bodden's fault.  Godammit

by DaytonDogg on Dec 2, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
What did Bodden do? I don't have TV.

by LGTs GFP on Dec 2, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
On third down, the pass was incomplete. When the ball hit the ground, Bodden went up to it and kicked the ball about 30 yards down the field. Delay of game on the defense, five yard penalty, and a first down for Arizona.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
after one of the other DB's broke up a third down pass and the Cardinals would have been forced to punt or try a long fieldgoal, Bodden kicked the ball after it dropped to the turf about 20 yds down field and got a delay of game penalty, giving arizona a first down

by DaytonDogg on Dec 2, 2007 4:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
penalties are killing us. again.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Alright DA, make your league minimum salary... and show us you deserve anything more.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 2, 2007 4:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Sweet Jesus this is terrible. We look like Hawaii in the first quarter of their game last night.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
So... will DA come back and toss 5 TD's and win the Heisman?

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 4:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
That's what I'm hoping.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
If you want a blueprint of how to give the opposing team a 14-point handicap, this was the way to do it.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
On the bright side, at least it's early.

by LGTs GFP on Dec 2, 2007 4:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Another penalty, this time on special teams, and we'll now have the ball at the 17-yard line.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I love how we're getting penalized every other play. Its really great.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Oh Damn!
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Nice effort by Lawrence Vickers...26 yards.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
That didn't suck
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
WHOOO more Braylon is always good
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Hey, did you know they could penalize the other team too? Go figure
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:40 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
A shame we couldn't hit Jurevicius when he was covered by Ralph Brown. Good to get at least something on the board though, and hopefully give our defense their first true shot at stopping the Cardinals offense today.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
glad we're on the board and all, but FGs aren't gonna get it done. Plus I'm not happy by how that drive fell apart at the end.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
This game is going really fast... and really badly.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 2, 2007 4:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I love that third down pitch to Jamal after the fake to Vickers.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I'm trying really hard not to overreact right now, but DA looks bad.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 2, 2007 4:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
FUCK
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 4:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Horrible decision by Anderson there. We were putting together a nice, patient drive, and all of a sudden he threw it off his back foot into triple coverage for the interception.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 4:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Terrelle Smith is playing for the Browns in disguise.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Not that it would make me happy, but even if we lose today, we would still hold the sixth seed heading into next week.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
on the plus side, Lewis is running well.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Joe knows first downs.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Holy moley...I half near shit myself when Anderson threw the ball to Jurevicius when it looked like he was going to run for the first down.

Two minute warning now.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
This is a hell of a drive so far.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
TOUCHDOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN LEWIS
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
OHHHHHH!!! What a move by Jamal Lewis...the hurdle owns anyone! Woo...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Man, that was just an excellent drive. Could've used some more Braylon, but otherwise, just excellent.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
TOUCHDOWN!

Nice read by Anderson that time, I was yelling Lewis right from the snap, he was open...  Lewis is quietly putting together a very nice season as a receiver out of the backfield.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 2, 2007 5:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
PICK! man the safety play has really elevated the last couple of weeks!
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Tough call on the interception here. I think he had it, but I wouldn't gripe if the call is overturned.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Call Upheld! YEEEAAHHHH
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I think the call stands because you NEVER see Jones' hands move, and when he rolled over, he had full possession of it. Maybe we can get a quick field goal here.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Ugh...get the ball down the field...even if the WR screen worked for a first down, it would've wasted more time than a normal pass.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Wow...one possession after that great drive and we reverted back to terrible.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Well, the first quarter was hell and the 2nd was mostly great...the Browns season in a nutshell. Yup, this team is trying to kill me.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 5:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Luke McCown is having a career day in the first half alone for Tampa Bay. Let's hope Jamal Lewis is ok to come out in the second half...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Bam! Mike Adams with his only notable play of the season...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Not too sure what happened to Winslow on that third down...the ball was right there.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 5:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
It's about time we got somewhat of a hit on Kurt Warner.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Ouch. Just....ouch.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Can't blame Cribbs on that muffed punt...kills me that frickin' Ralph Brown of all people had to be there to have it go right into his hands.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
we let them convert 3rd-and-11. THats the kind of crap that just kills me
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Well, we got a gift with Pope dropping that touchdown there. Hopefully our defense can come up with a much needed stuff here.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Can Derek Anderson and the Browns find what is necessary for two touchdowns?

This has not been their day, so far, but they can score if they get their shit together.

by JamesPowell on Dec 2, 2007 6:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Shit. I think we're boned.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
WOW!!! WHAT A PLAY BY EDWARDS!!! Woo...my god I hope this stands as a touchdown.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
THE BRAYLON STRIKES AGAIN!! BWAHAHHAA! If they overturn, I riot.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
UpHELD!! Yeah bitches!
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Gutsy call there
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
It would be nice, at this time, to work toward balancing the turnover ratio.

by JamesPowell on Dec 2, 2007 6:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
great, then we give up the huge return. ARRRGGHH
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Time to make Arizona pay for all these holding penalties...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
we HAVE to stop them here. We simply cannot afford another TD.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Props to the defense for holding Arizona to a field goal. If our offense stays hot and gets a big touchdown, we can take our first lead of the game.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
good. Now we HAVE to score.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Ok, they kicked the 3, now put together a TD Drive and take the lead.

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 6:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Boy, for having some momentum, I'm very surprised our offense didn't do a single thing there with great field position...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Fuck! What the hell was that shit?? We needed a drive!
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I've never seen such a complete failure. We needed a spark and all we got was a pile of crap.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Look at Brandon McDonald going all out for a big third down breakup. Although it looked like illegal motion on the Cards...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
*Continues to bow down to Cribbs' contributions to this team*

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Josh Cribbs, doing the job.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Ah, that's what we were doing on that last series:

Setting up Cribbs for the big return.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 6:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
That's what I'm talking about! Where was that before?!?
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
On those rollout passes to the sideline, Charlie Frye would get picked so often. Anderson's completed two rocket passed like that today.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
This seems like a good place to bring in Chris' man-crush
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Man, with how quick that drive started, I'm really bummed that we only came away with a field goal...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
crap..we really needed a TD there. The defense can't keep them from scoring.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Interesting choice, I'm surprised we didn't got for it.

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 6:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
A fumble recovery for a TD would be awesome right now.

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 6:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I love that the Cardinals can't challenge any close plays without any timeouts.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 6:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Yup, here comes the defensive collapse.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
sometimes I just can't turn off my sense of pattern recognition
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 6:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I hate this. More than I should, I know, but I hate this.

by JamesPowell on Dec 2, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Edge can't run all night, now he gashes us?

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Ugh, if we hold them to three we can win it, but I think they'll get us here.

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 7:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
sigh sometimes I hate being right.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 7:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Not looking very good here...Cardinals at the one-yard line and our run defense is doing a poor job in the fourth quarter. I expect the Cardinals to run it three straight times (unless we stop them for a big loss on second or third down).

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 7:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Gee, I wonder if it occurred to the Browns' Defensive Geniuses that the Cardinals might want to run the ball to kill the clock?

I wonder if the Browns have any idea how to play defense.

by JamesPowell on Dec 2, 2007 7:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I know Conventional Wisdom would say to kick the field goal in our spot on fourth down last drive, but...

With our defense, even with the way it had been playing today, we should have went for it.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 7:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Well, it's been some time since the Browns and key players like Anderson and Cribbs have had bad games.

I suppose that in a sixteen-game season, such games are inevitable.

by JamesPowell on Dec 2, 2007 7:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Louis Leonard just saved a touchdown there.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 7:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
That field goal was probably the best thing that could've possibly happened for us (even better than turnover on downs).

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 7:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Um... we can still win this game?  I do believe my heart just exploded.

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 7:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Well, we've got a minute forty to score a TD against a defense we've had trouble breaking all day. Stranger things have happened(like a field goal bouncing off the support beam) but we shouldn't have put ourselves in this position in the first place.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 7:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Could someone watching the game please inform those of us outside the region as to what in the wide wide world of sports is going on?

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 7:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I am utterly confused by GameCenter / GameCast.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 7:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Did we muff the kick off?  Are we going for it on 4th and 10?  ACK!?

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 7:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I guess we lost, then, huh?

Fucking whole internet is conspiring against me.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
This is bull...the referee should have called a force out, and it's not frickin' reviewable...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
So we failed to convert a 4th down because he was forced out and its not reviewable?

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 7:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
that should be a touchdown.  if the official there had any stones he woulda made the right call.  K2 was pushed out of bounds

by mpstable on Dec 2, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
The whole game hangs in the balence....

by Zorgon on Dec 2, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Update:

Winslow apparently caught a pass in the end zone out of bounds, but play is being reviewed to see if he was forced out.

by JamesPowell on Dec 2, 2007 7:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Winslow caught it in the endzone, he wasn't in bounds, but it looks like he was forced out. Unfortunately, that's not reviewable.

by Zorgon on Dec 2, 2007 7:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Yes, and with six seconds remaining.

It is not clear whether the "pushed out" call can be made on review.  I am listening to nfl.com radio. The announcers did not say whether it was reviewable or not.

by JamesPowell on Dec 2, 2007 7:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
For the love of all things holy I hate the NFL Sunday Ticket and its contract with Direct TV!!

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 7:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Sure seems like it.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 2, 2007 7:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
it sure looked like it to me.  it was a bad no call by the official.  
but we didnt lose the game b/c of that, we lost b/c of 4 turnovers, failure to get a TD on our last scoring drive, and the defense letting them march down the field for their last FG

by mpstable on Dec 2, 2007 7:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
That really blows. It was fourth down, and Anderson gunned it towards Winslow in the corner of the end zone. Winslow leapt, had the ball in his hands, and was drilled while in the air by the Cardinals defenders. Then, he landed out of bounds, and it was ruled as being out of bounds on the field.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
We had no business winning today from what I listened to, but please for the sake of everything that is holy, what in the hell happened that last series?

How did so much time get off the clock so quickly?  It said there was 1:46 when the Cardinals kicked off and then we moved up the field a bit (on a long pass?) and the next thing I knew after a few incompletions...there were only :06.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Officially...

 1st-10, CLE15      1:48      D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, CLE18     1:39     D. Anderson passed to J. Wright down the middle for 10 yard gain
1st-10, CLE28     1:14     D. Anderson passed to K. Winslow to the right for 8 yard gain
2nd-2, CLE36     0:55     D. Anderson passed to J. Jurevicius down the middle for 17 yard gain
1st-10, ARI47     0:42     D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, ARI47     0:41     D. Anderson rushed to the left for 10 yard gain
1st-10, ARI37     0:22     D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, ARI37     0:20     D. Anderson incomplete pass to the right
3rd-10, ARI37     0:15     D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle
4th-10, ARI37     0:00     D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2007 7:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Thanks Chris.

The online trackers just had one giant arrow for all of those yards in the drive, so I was rather confused.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 7:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Meh, the Jags lost, so we are still right in the thick of the playoff hunt.  We win out, we still get to the post season.  It just means we can't win the division, barring a Cincy win tonight.

by Estonianzulu on Dec 2, 2007 7:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Thoughts:
  1. That was the definition of a fucking force out.  And he got a foot in, helluva effort by Winslow.
  2. DA cost us this game with his terrible 1st quarter.
  3.  Bodden's delay of game call was huge
  4. Defense was ok, but could have really stepped up at several times.  Sure, they only gave up 20 points, but without Fitzgerald or Boldin, the Cardinals shouldn't be scoring 20 points.
  5.  Willie McGinist does not belong in the NFL any more, he needs to retire.  
  6. We missed Ted Washington, Orpheus Roye and Ethan Kelly.
  7.  Andra Davis' best days are behind him.
  8. Jets game has become a near must win.
  9. We didn't deserve to win this game.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 2, 2007 7:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
Willie McGinist does not belong in the NFL any more, he needs to retire.  

We missed Ted Washington, Orpheus Roye and Ethan Kelly.

Anyone who puts those sentences one after the other needs to stop talking about NFL football.

Just sayin'.

by Zorgon on Dec 2, 2007 8:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
F that, did you watch the game??  Were you happy with McGinist's play over this season??  

Willie is washed up.  He gets totally run over 3-4 times a game.  He doesn't have the speed to get to the QB anymore, and even when he is in position, he can't make a tackle. The only thing keeping him in this league is his name, and that just shouldn't happen.  I think this is a pretty objective observation.

My point saying we missed Washington, et al., was that we were terribly thin on the D-Line.  We had 3 of our guys and someone we signed off 3 weeks ago.  Washington was not very good this year, but he was a big body that took up blockers and we didn't even have that today.

Don't be so inflaming, it is unnecessary and flat out rude.  Just sayin'.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 3, 2007 9:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
I agree with everything said so far vis a vis not deserving to win etc.

However, we won that game.  We got robbed.  End of story.

by NickFantana on Dec 2, 2007 7:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
They have a photo over at the OBR. Pretty clear that Winslow would have landed inbounds

by Roger Dorn on Dec 2, 2007 8:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Arizona Cardinals
A few thoughts:
  1. We didn't deserve to win. That does not change the fact that we should have and the reffing crew blew a call. Regardless of how badly we played, we won that game.
  2. Leigh Bodden's offseason trouble must be bothering him. Either that or he has completely forgotten how to play football. Beyond just the Ruddesque penalty, he was rotten again today.
  3. The defence as a whole looked better today.
  4. At least the Broncos lost as well.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 3, 2007 1:57 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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