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Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals

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Game: Cleveland Browns (9-5) vs. Cincinnati Bengals (5-9)
Where: Paul Brown Stadium (Cincinnati, OH)
When: 1:00 PM EST
Announcers: Greg Gumbel & Dan Dierdorf (CBS)

The Browns are a win today away from making the postseason. Who is the only person that will stand in our way? Carson Palmer. Even with the struggles that Palmer has had this season, it's hard to say that he won't find success against the Browns' defense this week. Palmer has averaged 257 yards passing and 2.7 touchdowns per game in his seven appearances against the Browns. Things have been worse over the past three games, as Palmer has averaged 342 yards passing and 3.66 touchdowns. The Browns' defense has stepped up to the challenge the past two weeks overall (not the end of games), so will they finally come through against Palmer when it counts?

Continuing my trend, I'm going to highlight a couple of other games to watch today. These games will have the most significant impact on the Browns' playoff chances:

New York Jets (3-11) vs. Tennessee Titans (8-6): If the Browns win in the morning, this game won't mean a thing because we will have clinched the playoffs already. However, if the Browns lose, we will have to hope the Titans lose against the Jets (which would also clinch a playoff berth for us). Vince Young finally came through as a passing quarterback against the Kansas City Chiefs last week, but things won't get easy against a Jets defense that shut down Tom Brady last week and have been playing teams tough. With some late-game magic, you can count on the Titans pulling off the victory in a game of field goals over the Jets.

Oakland Raiders (4-10) vs. Jacksonville Jaguars (10-4): The Browns are still capable of reaching the fifth seed, but it would require the Jaguars to lose their final two games (although a Browns win and a Jaguars loss this week would temporarily put us into the fifth seed). The Raiders are expected to play JaMarcus Russell a little more today, but I wouldn't expect him to find much success against the Jaguars defense. Jacksonville proved last week that they can run the football against anyone in the NFL. You can bank on the Jaguars clinching a postseason berth with a win over the Raiders.

Now, here's the preview for the showdown between the Browns and the Bengals...

OFFENSE

Category Browns Bengals
Points Scored 26.2 (5th) 23.1 (13th)
Passing 234.8 (11th) 255.8 (5th)
Rushing 114.0 (14th) 94.6 (23rd)
Total Offense (yards) 348.8 (10th) 350.4 (7th)

DEFENSE

Category Browns Bengals
Points Scored 25.4 (28th) 24.7 (26th)
Passing 249.5 (29th) 228.1 (25th)
Rushing 128.9 (28th) 119.4 (24th)
Total Defense (yards) 378.4 (32nd) 347.4 (28th)
- Quarterback
In the introduction, I stressed the amount of success that Palmer has historically had against the Browns. But, what about the negatives that he has had? Palmer has averaged 1.57 interceptions against the Browns over seven games, including 1.66 interceptions over his past three games against the Browns. The Bengals don't have a running game, and that means Palmer is going to throw the football very often against the Browns. I would have been worried about that earlier this season, but look what the Browns' secondary has done to opposing teams over the past month or so. Sure, we haven't faced quarterbacks as prolific as Carson Palmer, but the secondary has matured to the point where they are only giving up plays that are in front of them. Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh can get frustrated if they aren't able to go down the field, which should keep Palmer from exploding as much as he did in Week 2. As far as the Bengals' defense goes, they haven't changed much since Week 2. Derek Anderson should be able to throw the ball better than he has over the past month, but he still needs to stay away from the middle of the field early on as he's had a tendency to get picked off by opposing safeties.
- Running Back
If you could hand out grades to these teams' running backs right now, the Browns would get an "A" and the Bengals would get an "F". Although Rudi Johnson has struggled this season, one of his two good games came against the Browns in Week 2. That's why I'm thrilled that we won't have to deal with Johnson this week, as he is out with an injury. Bengals fans may like Kenny Watson or DeDe Dorsey better at this point, but they aren't the type of running backs that are going to easily throw up big plays on the ground. Jamal Lewis ran for over 200 yards against the Bengals earlier this season, and has gone over the 100-yard mark in three of his past four games. The Browns are confident in their ability to run the ball, and as long as we don't fall behind by two or three scores early, Lewis will receive a healthy dose against the Bengals. I usually call for Jerome Harrison to get some snaps, but he won't be necessary this week.
- Receiver
What has gone wrong with Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh? They aren't producing bad on paper, but a lot of their success this season has come in spurts -- they may each have a couple of great games, but then in the other games, they'll be a non-factor. That's the opposite of what Braylon Edwards has done this season, as he's made an impact on just about every game this year. Despite the controversy in Cincinnati on which receivers will stay or go next season, but you still can't doubt the talent that Johnson and Houshmandzadeh bring to the table. Kellen Winslow has been very quiet over the past three week -- so much, that I hesitate making my typical claim that he'll "find success" against the Bengals. It all depends on what the Browns' gameplan is, and against the Bengals, we should get down near the red zone often. That's where Winslow could shine for a score or two, even if they are his only receptions in the game.
- Offensive Line
It's really funny when you look back at my gameday preview from Week 2, because the Bengals were favored in the first five categories, including the offensive line. Things have definitely changed over the course of the season. On paper, Palmer has only been sacked a few more times than Anderson has. If you review all of the tapes from the season though, Palmer has by far been under a lot more duress than Anderson has. Eric Steinbach will be returning to his old stomping grounds for this one, and it'd be nice to see him pave the way for another big day for Jamal Lewis like he did in Cleveland.
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Defensive Line
Shaun Smith will also be returning to face his former team, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's as a starter again at defensive end in front of Orpheus Roye, who has been limited in practice again this week. The Browns' defensive line has continued holding running backs in check for the first half of games over the past month, and that should bode well for them against the Bengals, who are often forced to abandoned the run and play from behind in the second half of games. Like the Browns, the Bengals have trouble generating much of a pass rush -- so much, that technically I should probably give the Browns the edge here. However, considering I still believe the Browns' defensive line needs an overhaul in the offseason, I'll play it safe and not give them too much credit.

- Linebacker
I don't have faith that Andra Davis will have another career performance this week, but it's definitely intriguing to hope that a green light went on in Davis' head after last week. Davis' performance early will be something to look out for. Want to know something very interesting historically about Davis against the Bengals too? In 2004, 2005, and 2006, Davis had at least one interception against Carson Palmer, showing that he's had the ability to pick off Palmer. Could he continue his streak and pick him off for the fourth year in a row? Antwan Peek is questionable for the Browns this week again, so I wouldn't have much faith in him playing either. The Bengals linebackers are nothing more than a footnote to mention, so I'll just leave the linebacker section primarily focusing on Davis.
- Secondary
The Bengals can be picked apart in the secondary -- after all, Anderson threw for five touchdowns against them earlier this season, and they haven't gotten any better since then. If there's a person to look out for, it would again be a team's best safety, this time former Super Bowl MVP Dexter Jackson. Jackson only has two interceptions this season, but one of them came against Anderson in Week 2. The Browns didn't record any picks last week, but with the depth we have now, it seems like an individual player can't get picked on anymore. It'll be interesting to see if Brandon McDonald can shut down...T.J. Houshmandzadeh (not Chad Johnson), if the Browns put him on him in coverage. Houshmandzadeh has caught six touchdowns in his past five games against the Browns -- limiting the Bengals to only one playmaker would be huge.
- Special Teams
I think the Browns' defense will do better against the Bengals than they did in Week 2, but I also think the Bengals are going to put points on the board. On a positive note, that'll create some more opportunities for Joshua Cribbs in the kick return game again. Call it a hunch, but I have a feeling that Bengals will kick to Cribbs, rather than away from him. Phil Dawson etched himself in the books as one of the best kickers in the NFL this season after last week. If it comes down to a game-winning attempt for Dawson this week against the Bengals, I'd have faith that he could make it. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that though, because the wind is supposed to be around 19-31 MPH for today's game.

FINAL PREDICTION:
Cleveland Browns 31, Cincinnati Bengals 28.
All of the remaining seeds in the AFC really come down to what the Cleveland Browns do this week. With a Browns win, Cleveland clinches the playoffs and makes it very difficult for the Titans to catch the Jaguars or Steelers. With a Browns loss, the Titans would in theory be ahead of the Browns heading into Week 17, and the Steelers would clinch the AFC North. The Bengals have looked down and out often this season, but they have been "fired up" during the week because they feel the Browns set them on the negative trend that they are currently on. It takes more than being "fired up" to win though -- it'll take a good defense and solid pass protection up front. Without those two elements, the Browns will pull out a tough road win in a shootout.

This is the official gameday topic for the Cleveland Browns in Week 16 as they square off against the Cincinnati Bengals. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!

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Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Forget what I said about the Bengals' Dexter Jackson. Both of their safeties are out today. And, the wind pre-game is ridiculous. Dawson's attempt sailed wide left, and Chad Johnson motioned with his hand that the wind was blowing passes around.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
so another low scoring grind-it-out type game. Excellent.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I like our chances in a grind it out (run early and often, short pass if needed) game almost better than in a shootout this time around.

Here's to the underrated defense stepping it up yet again today.

Verse: The fire man screams, and the engine just gleams... Chorus: "There's a gleam, men, there's a gleam... Let's get the gleam!"

by Casey Jones on Dec 23, 2007 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Gameday Inactives
Cleveland Browns: DB Kenny Wright, DB Ricardo Colclough, RB Jerome Harrison, C Marvin Philip, G Isaac Sowells, WR Travis Wilson, DT Louis Leonard.

Cincinnati Bengals: SS Dexter Jackson, RB Rudi Johnson, FS Madieu Williams, LB Anthony Schlegel, G Dan Santucci, TE Nate Lawrie, DE Frostee Rucker.


Late-breaking news: Derek Anderson may have the flu. That almost 100% would be the reason why Ken Dorsey is active for the game. If Anderson needs a breather or is heaving on the sideline, I'd expect Dorsey to enter the game rather than Brady Quinn. Because of this situation, Jerome Harrison is inactive again.

Also, a little surprising to see both Orpheus Roye and Antwan Peek active. Nice to know we'll be at full strength on defense for perhaps the first time all season.

For the Bengals, they are missing both of their starting safeties.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Gameday Inactives
If the sub is for one or two plays, it makes sense for Dorsey to go in.  But if it were to come down to a significant stretch of the game...  

As much as I would hate to see a QB controversy this (or any) time of year - and I can understand how it would get into a "MotherScratcher" deal if Quinn plays a good chunk of the game and leads the team to victory - I say we've got to go with the QB that gives the best chance to win.  Get into the playoffs first, then worry about the repercussions later.

Makes sense to have all 3 QB's active, though, if there's a concern about Anderson not being able to finish.

Verse: The fire man screams, and the engine just gleams... Chorus: "There's a gleam, men, there's a gleam... Let's get the gleam!"

by Casey Jones on Dec 23, 2007 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Some decent penetration by the defense on the first drive; enough to force a punt. With the wind, I hope Anderson doesn't throw an early duck here.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Man, look at all of these early holes on the Bengals defense...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I can't say for sure, but then botched field goal try looked like it was Zastudil's fault, not Pontbriand's. Ugh, what a shame after a drive with some nice plays.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Its gonna be one of those games
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
4th and 1-- FG or go for it?
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Answer...go for it and fuck it up
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Man, that's painful to get down their twice and come away with nothing.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Mixed emotions on the first quarter...some "ok" offensive production, and some better than "ok" defensive production (until Kelley went out).

Sounds like a road game for the Browns.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I can feel my blood pressure rising. We're getting gashed by "OMG you killed " Kenny Watson.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
At least we held them to three points. Derek Anderson and the Browns need to put a touchdown on the board soon, because the Bengals have found something on the ground.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Cribbs= Greek god of Kick Returns
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Oh you have GOT to be fucking kidding me! What is this shit?
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
This is "win and your in" and this is the offensive performance we get? FUCK.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
So annoying to have a defensive player down, and the TV announcers don't tell us who it is before going to break. *Cue the comment that says "that's why you need to listen to Donovan/Diekan"*

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Crap, it's Robaire Smith. Now we're down to three defensive linemen: Roye, Shaun Smith, and Fraser.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
GameCenter says its Smith
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
This should be an incompletion pass or a touchback...no frickin way this can stand as a touchdown.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Wow. we need some serious halftime adjustments. Kenny "vs Spenny" Watson is near a hundred rushing yards!! In the FIRST FUCKING HALF!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Good job by Bodden...hopefully this lifts our team in some way,

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
The defense bent but didn't break again. The time of possession is getting ridiculous here. Our offense needs to step up before the end of the first half here.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
great. Looked like we were getting some offensive rythm then bam- punt time.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Frustration spelled wild in the first half -- at the two-minute mark right now. Hopefully we can force a punt and perhaps muster something heading into the half...ugh.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I don't know if Anderson is sick or the wind is the problem or what but he can't hit a receiver in stride to save his life.  This isn't a new problem with him...but usually he gets better as the game goes on.  Not to mention he practically tackled Lewis on a handoff.  If he's really sick, as mentioned above, why is he playing?

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
DA needs to hit the bench. He's obviously being effected by the illness.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Get Anderson out.  This is getting ridiculous.

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
And strike my earlier comment about not hitting guys in stride because he just hit 2 black jerseys right in the numbers.

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Wow.....just...you've GOT to be kidding. Put Anderson on the bench NOW before he gets hurt.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
that was the worst first half I've been forced to witness since....since that first game of the season. DA's doing his best Fyre impression. He's clearly being affected by his flu, and I think you gotta send Quinn or Dorsey out to start the 2nd half.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I don't know if I've ever seen a bigger quick span of a chokejob there...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I didn't get to watch Quinn in camp or in pre-season.

How does Quinn's arm strength, range, and accuracy compare with Anderson's?

Would the Browns do well to let Anderson go to another team next season, take a first- and third-round pick as compensation, and give the job to Quinn?

by ploni on Dec 23, 2007 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Caught up in the emotion of this game right now, I can't give you the most analytical answer. In general, no, I would not rid of Anderson after this season. And, Quinn looked very good in the preseason.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Based on the first half, we're going to have to hope for some help from the Jets in the 4:15 game. Of course, CBS will be showing us the NE/MIA game instead of that one.

I won't be surprised if we try to run it still with Jamal Lewis in our first offensive drive here.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I don't know if Anderson actually has the flu or not but he is certainly making me want to vomit. J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by Brad D on Dec 23, 2007 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Glory.
You don't live in Cleveland; you live in Cincinnati!!!!!!  Go Titans.

by Arthur Modell on Dec 23, 2007 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Glory.
I've banned this guy from DBN for the time being. We don't need any trolls here.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Hmm..must of got him say DayQuil
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
We scored. I'm happy, but still too distraught to be excited.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
TOUCHDOWN The Braylon!!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Oh I get it now..the Anderson from the first half was Derek's evil twin, sent to ruin his reputation.  Cause this one is the regular DA.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Fair catch by the Bengals at the 18-yard line on the kickoff. Come on defense, we need you now more than ever.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Not a reviewable play? Wow, is that a joke or what. Another rule for the NFL to change in the offseason...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
3rd-and-12 coming up for the Bengals at the start of the fourth quarter. Let's hope for the best...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
The Bengals quick snap it on the punt, then shank it? Are they trying to help us? Maybe Romeo paid them off...?

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Well, it looked like we had a glimmer of hope for a second there...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Oh come ON! just kick the fucking field goal!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Whew, thank heavens Cribbs got his own ball back...heck of a return individually...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Forget DA or Horse Balls; from now on his nickname is Grinch
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
WTF? Did Carson Palmer just return the favor big time to us?

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Anderson is having his worst game of the year.  Stupid decisions and very poor throwing accuracy for the most part.  Looks like Romeo is sticking with him through hell or high water, though.  Hope it pays off...

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I understand that Anderson is a rookie. But he is SO impulsive. I also don't understand his lack of touch; he simply blows away receivers with his lack of finesse.

by ploni on Dec 23, 2007 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
BTW, forgot to mention that Braylon Edwards broken the team TD record with his first score. His second was has just brought us to within one score...wow.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
If we can somehow pull this one off, it will only be because the Bengals are worse than DA.  Why were they even throwing the ball?  The had been running all over us...but hey I'm not one to complain.  Let's get a quick 3 and out now...

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Wow...what a split personality this team has today. But we can still win this game! GO BROWNS!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
ugh, I cannot believe that Kenny "Rogers" Watson is whooping our ass like this.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
It's come down to our defense trying to stop the run at the end of a game. This time, we don't have the lead though, and it's killing us. Now we'll be forced to use all of our timeouts, still having to hope we stop the Bengals, to even have an attempt at a chance.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Holy crap the Bengals do NOT want to win this thing.

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fumblerooski! That's the break we needed!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
We're at midfield with 45 seconds and one timeout left. Please, let the miracle be complete...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Joe knows clutch
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 23, 2007 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
ugh...well, we have to hope for the Jets to do us a huge favor now...

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Worse nightmare...the only thing we can do is sit back and pray.  Next week's game is absolutely meaningless...win or lose, it only matters what Tennessee does

by dvd1204 on Dec 23, 2007 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
This one is on DA's shoulders.  Hate to pile it on hime like this but he had a laid a giant egg today.  Played like his old self.

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Worst game of the season by an offense that has been swooning the last five games. I fear the playoffs will have wait.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by Brad D on Dec 23, 2007 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I've said to my brother many times.  Teams have now had a chance to see enough of DA to realize that he is inaccurate on the short crossing patterns.  To his credit, he keeps taking what they give him by making these throws and not forcing things down field.  I'm convinced this is why our offense has been mediocre as of late.

by dvd1204 on Dec 23, 2007 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
He's not forcing things?  I wish I had kept count of the number of times he thew into double or triple coverage.

by misterbaseball99 on Dec 23, 2007 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
wow, just watched the most disappointing game since 99, I think.  I mean, at 9-5 this was looking to be one of our better teams in recent memory and we were playing a 5-9 team that had 2 starting safetys out, the worst pass defense in the league and we have ridden our offense all year.  The result? 19-14; we throw 4 interceptions and had the ball at about the 30 yard line with a chance to win, but failed for the fourth time this year (Oakland, @ Pitt, Arizona, Cincy).  Yuk.

Otherwise I think...

  • I didn't know about this flu thing with DA until I read this thread; I don't know if I care
  • I think DA is way overrated and I would be very happy if we get a 1st and 3rd for him... that said, I'm Quinn stayed on the bench today
  • Willie McGinist got run over only 2 or 3 times today... improvement?
  • I think our secondary is coming together nicely, especially the corners.  I have a hard time picking between McDonald, Wright, Holly and Bodden... they are all above average to very good.
  • We need more D-Linemen
  • Two missed FG opportunities in the first have really cost us.
  • J  E  T  S JETS JETS JETS
  • I'd love to see Quinn get in, even if its just for a couple snaps next week.
  • I hate that I live in Cincinnati, I'm up north for the holidays, but I'm going to hear about it when I get back.
  • GO JETS.
  • I love the JETS
  • F Vince Young, he stinks
  • Go Jets.

by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 23, 2007 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Great idea.  Let's give up on a QB who has shown great potential all season; has come back from adversity; never gives up, etc., and pin all our hopes on a guy who has never taken a snap in the NFL.  Genius.  Savage should hire you.  Every QB has a bad day.  DA has earned his place on the roster this season, and has shown incredible poise.  BQ may turn out to be a great quarterback.  He also may turn out to be a bust.  There is no reason to give up on Anderson right now.  Going into next season with both quarterbacks we will be in a good place.  We need to concentrate on our defense, not on throwing away a quality quarterback because you really like Brady Quinn.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 23, 2007 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
I'm not saying DA hasn't produced. It's just that . . . he might be a brute of an arm and not much more.

Could very well be that his value of a first- and third-round pick plus Brady Quinn coming in as a QB next season could be the way to go.

Mark Shapiro would be a good adviser in a situation like this.

by ploni on Dec 23, 2007 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
My point is that we know DA.  He is a league average QB:
Pros:
  • very strong arm
  • very big QB
  • Quick release
  • Great demeanor; won't get rattled
  • Fun guy to root for
  • Approx. 1 full season experience
  • Very nice deep ball
Cons:
  • One of the least accurate passes in the NFL
  • Forces the ball into bad situations
  • Takes awhile to get into his groove
  • Unsure if he really wants it (this is just my opinion, he never gets rattled, but the other side is that I don't know if he as obsessed with being a great QB that is needed to be one)
  • Doesn't know when he should take a sack
He is average. average.  If someone would give us two first day picks for him, we should take it.  If not, I wouldn't mind going into next year with him and Quinn and giving the first start of the season to DA.  But, let's not retire #3 quite yet.  He is 9-9 as a starter with very average stats in his young career.  When the alternative was Charlie Frye, that looks very good.  But now we are talking about taking this team over for the next decade. He has not earned that job yet.

by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 24, 2007 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
To comment on the Jets/Titans game, or post-game Browns thoughts, please do so in the new thread.

http://dawgsbynature.com/story/2007/12/23/162418/51

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Am I the only one here who thinks that offensive pass interference call on Edwards was total crap?  It pretty well killed our chances to drive for the potential winning touchdown.
When does my team get to be the team o'destiny?

by woodsmeister on Dec 23, 2007 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
It was, but they made the same call on TJ Houshmazilli (championship!) earlier in the game, too.  

by mkwng @ Dawgs By Nature on Dec 23, 2007 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Are you implying some sort of make-up call by one of the crack NFL officiating teams?   Heavens forfend!
When does my team get to be the team o'destiny?

by woodsmeister on Dec 23, 2007 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
No, not really, I just think they blew 2 calls.  But there's no point in complaining.  It doesn't matter in the least if Anderson doesn't throw 4 picks, or if Kenny Watson doesn't gain 130 yards, or...

by mkwng @ Dawgs By Nature on Dec 23, 2007 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. Cincinnati Bengals
It's hard to say. From what CBS showed, yes. However, CBS failed to show a good replay of it...Edwards had basically already caught the ball by the time they showed it.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 23, 2007 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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