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Point by Point: Anderson vs. Quinn

What I've seen from Anderson is this:

  1. He has a helluva arm.
  2. He is impulsive in his choice of throws and is poor in his ability to read defensive coverages, particularly the positioning of safeties.
  3. He throws on average more than one interception per game and is especially prone to be intercepted on the road.
  4. He plays poorly early in games and seems often to be motivated by game pressure.
  5. He does not run much or run well.
  6. He lacks finesse; he seems to throw much too hard, inaccurately, and without "touch" to receivers and backs on shorter routes.
  7. He has excellent rapport with teammates, particularly the receivers.
  8. He is young.
  9. In theory, he overall fits well with the team's offensive strategy. In actuality, however, he is lacking in its execution.
Question:

Referring to the above and assuming for a moment that Anderson is either traded, signed away, or injured next season, what might we expect, point by point above, from Brady Quinn as a starter next year?

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Re: Point by Point: Anderson vs. Quinn
# Anderson has the stronger arm strength but Quinn isn't a weak thrower. It's hard to tell watching on TV, but Anderson really lets the ball go cannon style.
# Impossible to tell on the reading and impulsiveness part, if you watched Quinn in college, he made his fair share of bad throws. Did you see the Ohio State-ND bowl game or the LSU-ND bowl game? Quinn wasn't exactly Joe Montana out there. The main problem with Anderson is that he doesn't look off receivers enough.
# There aren't a lot of QBs in the league with better numbers than Anderson, even with that bad game. I think he still has 10 more TDs than INTs, that's better than 25 other QBs in the league. Impossible to tell if Quinn would be better.
# Anderson is extremely streaky and yes, he does get affected my game pressure or emotion. He's still 24 years old though, once again, can't really tell if Quinn would be better.
# I completely disagree that Anderson isn't a good runner, he is a good runner, he just doesn't run much because he's a three step and throw QB in that system. Quinn is actually not the runner Anderson is.
# Disagree again, when you look at the entire season, the majority of the time he has played with poise and excellent touch. Quinn would probably be a better check down QB though, maybe not as strong with the long ball.
# For the most part, the receivers LOVE DA. Why wouldnt they?
# There is really no age difference between Quinn and DA from a career standpoint.
# Disagree, he's now 9-4 as a starter with huge numbers. Certainly the Cinci game was a major letdown, but the kid is 6'6" 250 pounds and he's got a gun of an arm. I'd take DA over Phillip Rivers in a heartbeat for example. Tennessee can keep Vince Young, there are so many QBs I'd pass up to have DA.

by gentryholdem on Dec 25, 2007 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Point by Point: Anderson vs. Quinn
it is almost impossible to debate this without seeing Quinn play, but as a Quinn backer, I'll say this, i expect DA's arm is stronger and probably better at throwing the deep ball, Quinn is faster and i suspect much better at throwing the underneath stuff.

Which combination is better in this offense?  I don't know.  It really comes down to the incremental differences in each guys overall game.

by dvd1204 on Dec 26, 2007 12:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Point by Point: Anderson vs. Quinn
I'll take a crack at this one.  I'm far from an expert, but I did watch nearly every down Quinn played at Notre Dame.  So hopefully I have something to add.  Oh, and sorry for the length.

1.    Quinn doesn't have the cannon that DA does, but his arm strength is probably no worse than slightly above average.  He probably can't throw a 45 yard rope to hit someone on a deep post, but he can make all the throws he has to.

2.    This comes with the disclaimer that Quinn has only seen college defenses.  In his last 2 years at ND Quinn really learned how to read defenses.  He would regularly change the play at the line when he had to.  He rarely threw into heavy coverage.  He never looked like he was locked in on receivers and appeared to always know who would be where.

3.    Re: interceptions.  Quinn was one of the better college QB's at avoiding INT's.  He set a school record with something like 160 attempts without a pickoff.  Part of the reason is what I said in #2.  I think that the interceptions Quinn threw were less of the `stupid throw' variety than of the `slightly bad throw'.  That is, it seemed a lot of his picks came on balls that were a bit behind or above a receiver who couldn't quite get his hands on the ball and it was tipped to a waiting defender.  Quinn was good at throwing the ball where only his man could catch it.  But sometimes he did that too much and would overthrow someone on a deep ball or lead a guy too much and put the ball a step ahead of him.  

4.    I think this is a matter of a QB getting
in rhythm.  Quinn usually would start games well, though 2006 saw some problems.  I'm sure some of that was due to the high expectations and some big game jitters (e.g. Quinn's underwhelming games against Ga. Tech, Michigan and Southern Cal last year).  This is one you can't know about Quinn until he plays on Sundays.

5.    Quinn runs about as well as you will see from a quarterback who is not "a running quarterback".  He moves well and has good speed for a guy at his position.

6.    To my observation, the throws Quinn is worst at are to backs in the flat.  Not necessarily screen passes; he seemed to do fine on those.  I mean plays where the back runs wide then turns upfield and is meant to catch the ball in stride.  Quinn often seemed to overthrow those balls when even something close would have been at least a few yards.  He usually did a great job hitting his guy in the numbers on slants and short crosses.  He did seem to lose a lot of accuracy when throwing on the run, often sailing the ball over someone's head.

7.    Ditto for Quinn, and he had that same connection with his OC (who also happened to be the head coach).  I can see Quinn and Chud being on the same page like that and something really special resulting.  Quinn had great chemistry with his receivers and it looked like that affected the results on the field.  I look at what he did with TE's like Fasano and Carlson and get really excited about the possibilities of him throwing to K2.  Also, despite the perception of Brady Quinn as a pretty boy he really is a team player and was a great representative of the University of Notre Dame.  

8.    Um, Quinn is like a year younger?  Dunno how much age matters.  

9.    Last year at ND Quinn WAS the offensive strategy.  The O-Line played worse and worse around him as the year went by, the Irish running game was especially unreliable.  Quinn was getting hit and sacked a lot, and he still put up a great year.  I think he will fit in fine.  Weis completely changed the offense when he came in, and Quinn was able to quickly grasp it and thrive in it.  I think Chud will be able to identify what Quinn can do and incorporate him into the offense well.  One last thing is that, unlike almost all big time college QB's making the transition to the NFL, Quinn will probably have MORE time in the pocket b/c ND's O-line was bad for its level and the Browns' is better.  Same goes for the run game around him.

by mpstable on Dec 27, 2007 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Point by Point: Anderson vs. Quinn
Thanks much for this.

In your #6, do you mean "the throws Anderson is worst at"?

by ploni on Dec 27, 2007 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Point by Point: Anderson vs. Quinn
No, I think he means Quinn. I think he is saying that Quinn also struggles at these throws, not just DA.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 27, 2007 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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