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Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets

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Game: Cleveland Browns (7-5) vs. New York Jets (3-9)
Where: The Meadowlands (East Rutherford, NJ)
When: 4:15 PM EST
Announcers: Dick Enberg & Randy Cross (CBS)

Is it do or die time for the Cleveland Browns? Yes, but not in the same way it has been in the past few years. Last year, it would've been "do or die time" because our only chance to make the postseason would've been if we had won every single game remaining and the teams ahead of us would've lost every single game. Now, we're in the reverse position, and it's our job to hold on to a wildcard spot with a victory over a 3-9 Jets team that is hurting with a couple of injuries. With that said, the Jets are playing their best football of the season, having won two of their past three, including a 19-16 overtime victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers three weeks ago.

Continuing my trend, I'm going to highlight a couple of other games to watch today. These games will have the most significant impact on the Browns' playoff chances:

San Diego Chargers (7-5) vs. Tennessee Titans (7-5): The Titans are basically tied with us for the wildcard spot in the long run, meaning we have to hope that a talented team like the San Diego Chargers are able to do a favor for us on gameday. It's a shame that CBS is showing us Oakland vs. Green Bay here in Cleveland for the morning game, because it'd make more sense to show the Chargers battle the Titans since it directly impacts our playoff hopes. Albert Haynesworth vs. LaDainian Tomlinson is a key match-up here, but I think each player will have their fair share of impact on the opposition. The Titans' run offense has struggled as of late, and the Chargers have thrived at stopping the run. In this game, you can bank on the Chargers providing us with a one-game cushion in the wildcard race..

Miami Dolphins (0-12) vs. Buffalo Bills (6-6): It's really not even worth considering an upset here. The Miami Dolphins haven't shown the ability to take control of a game, and Marshawn Lynch is going to be back at running back for the Bills. Trent Edwards is 4-1 as Buffalo's starting quarterback, and chances are he'll be 5-1 heading into next week's huge game against the Browns. You can count on the Bills decimating the Dolphins here.

Now, here's the preview for the showdown between the Browns and the Jets...

OFFENSE

Category Browns Jets
Points Scored 28.0 (4th) 18.4 (24th)
Passing 247.7 (9th) 186.3 (25th)
Rushing 105.8 (16th) 102.1 (19th)
Total Offense (yards) 353.5 (6th) 288.4 (25th)

DEFENSE

Category Browns Jets
Points Scored 28.2 (32nd) 24.2 (25th)
Passing 258.4 (30th) 210.3 (11th)
Rushing 131.5 (28th) 141.1 (29th)
Total Defense (yards) 389.9 (32nd) 351.3 (25th)
- Quarterback
Derek Anderson and Kellen Clemons faced each other several times in their pre-NFL careers, making for an intriguing matchup heading into this game. Both quarterbacks are really in their first true years as being able to orchestrate a starting offense for more than a game at a time, and Anderson is clearly further along. Much of that may have to do with having more electric weapons at the receiver position and protection up front, but it counts nonetheless. The big factor the Browns have to key in on is pressuring Kellen Clemons. Clemons is being sacked an average of three times per game, and that has played a factor in his inability to get the ball down the field as much as he'd like to (because he can throw a good deep ball when compared to Chad Pennington).
- Running Back
Run the ball with Jamal Lewis. Run the ball with Jamal Lewis. Run the ball with Jamal Lewis. That's all I keep hearing in respect to what the Browns need to do this week on offense. Do I agree? Yes and no. Yes, we need to run the ball a lot with Lewis, but I don't like starting off the game with it. The Browns are much more explosive when throwing the football, and if we're aggressive right away I think we can jump out with a lead on the road and then pound it out against a poor Jets run defense. On the other side of the field, Thomas Jones and Leon Washington have combined for a fair, but not even close to dominating duo for the Jets offense. If the Browns build up a lead early, we should be able to neutralize the Jets' ground attack.
- Receiver
The Jets' defensive backs took some heat coming into the season. They needed to improve at the position and drafted the appropriate man in Darrelle Revis. It's taken awhile, but Revis is finally coming along and starting to look like a quality starting defensive back. That may limit the amount of big plays Braylon Edwards is capable of, calling for a big day from Joe Jurevicius. Kellen Winslow didn't receive enough first-half looks last week against the Cardinals; hopefully that changes this week. The Jets have two good receivers in Jerricho Cotchery and Laveranues Coles, but both of them are banged up right now. Cotchery probably will not play, and Coles won't be at full speed. Former quarterback Brad Smith could start opposite Coles at receiver.
- Offensive Line
Last year, I admired the Jets offensive line because they were able to draft both D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold for their offensive line. The duo helped solidify the team's line last year en route to the postseason. However, it's the Browns that have had the better offensive line by far this season. The Jets' line has given up a total of 35 sacks this season, where as the Browns have given up 11 sacks under Derek Anderson. The Jets' running game numbers are a little skewed in terms of yards per game because they often hand the ball off rather than passing it. Jones is averaging 3.6 yards-per-carry and only has one rushing touchdown. The Jets have trouble in short yardage run situations, something the Browns' defensive line has excelled at.
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Defensive Line
If I see Simon Fraser starting again this week, I'm going to be very concerned. The combination of Robaire Smith, Shaun Smith, and Orpheus Roye impresses me, and I think they can force the same type of pressure they did two weeks ago against the Houston Texans today against the Jets. The Jets have some pretty good pass rushers in Dewayne Robertson and Shaun Ellis, but they can be beaten on the ground. When the Browns do decide to run the ball, attacking the left side of the defense will be critical in Lewis' success. Don't be surprised if we see Lewis break a big run on a counter like he did against the Bengals earlier this season.

- Linebacker
Again last week, I liked the early pursuit that the Browns' linebackers had on Edgerrin James. It was only late in the game that things started to crumble, something I believe would've been stopped had we had more defensive linemen to rotate in the game. The Jets took a big hit at the linebacker position when Jonathan Vilma went out with an injury earlier this season. Ever since then, the unit hasn't been nearly as sharp, and the opposing team's rushing numbers have resembled that. I doubt this will happen, but I think the Jets are a team that we can throw some confusion at by blitzing a person they don't expect. Who? Chaun Thompson. Again, doubt it will happen, but the potential exists.
- Secondary
The Browns would get a big lift with the return of Eric Wright this week. While Brandon McDonald has been very good the past two weeks, having an extra body available provides the Browns with more versatility. They'd be able to decide between a hot McDonald or a mediocre Daven Holly in nickel back situations if they so choose. The Jets have some talent at the cornerback position in rookie Darrelle Revis. The other big factor is safety Kerry Rhodes. Rhodes has four interceptions this season and is capable of Pro Bowl caliber. Anderson can't afford to take risks over the middle if Rhodes is covering, because he's savvy enough to make a play on the ball and kill a drive.
- Special Teams
It's the battle of the AFC's best in kick returners this week between Joshua Cribbs and Leon Washington. Will it be a chess match for each team's kickoff coverage units? The Cardinals obviously frustrated Cribbs last week, so hopefully the Browns' special teams went over some better philosophies during the week on how to react in those types of situations. I'm curious to see how often the Browns kick to Washington, because we haven't been known to really kick away from he opposition, especially with Phil Dawson back there. An underrated player in this game? Dave Zastudil. The Jets can have some spurts where they come together on defense, and if they happens, we need to force the Jets' inept offense to have a long field.

FINAL PREDICTION:
Cleveland Browns 35, New York Jets 21.
The Browns have shown the potential to strike quick, but the thing they need to improve on if they want to be a playoff team is scoring early in games on the road. They fell behind to the Raiders earlier this season on the road, and they fell behind last week against the Cardinals. They were in position to tie or win both games on the final play, but things just barely missed going their way on both occasions. The Jets have won two of their past three games, but hopefully Cleveland's ready to bring out their big plays early this week, setting up the Jamal Lewis for later in the game rather than earlier in the game.

This is the official gameday topic for the Cleveland Browns in Week 14 as they square off against the New York Jets. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!

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Cleveland Browns: QB Ken Dorsey (3rd QB), DB Kenny Wright, DB Ricardo Colclough, G Isaac Sowells, C Greg Eslinger, WR Travis Wilson, LB David McMillan, DT Louis Leonard.
New York Jets: QB Marques Tuiasosospo, WR Chris Davis, CB Andre Dyson, DE Mike Devito, T Jacob Bender, T Adrian Jones, TE Jason Pociask, DT Kareem Brown.
I'm quite surprised to see both Coles and Cotchery active for the Jets. Good news for the Browns; Orpheus Roye, Ethan Kelley, and Eric Wright are all active. Jerome Harrison is also active.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 3:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Not a good defensive start, forcing our offense to start at about the one or two yard line.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
SD-Tenn in OT, looks like SD is going to have to punt.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 9, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I'm restricted to sopcast today... stupid steelers game in cincinnati.  Go Browns!!! Go Chargers!!!

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Chargers have great field positioning, pinning the Titans down at the 2 and then forcing them to punt.

If Rivers doesn't blow it, I think the Chargers got this one locked up.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 9, 2007 4:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Not a sharp drive by our offense, but props for getting out of danger...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
San Diego is about to do us a HUGE favor...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Chargers win!  I breathe a little easier.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
TOMLINSON! WOOOO!!! BTW, kind of a boring first half game...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Very weird first quarter compared to all of our games this year. It's almost like...nothing happened...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I'm watching on a blurry computer screen... was that a random bangles fan in the seats?

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
hey, a defensive stand! I remember those...
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 4:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Annnnnnnnnnnd theres the first DA pick. And so it goes....
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 4:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
The other big factor is safety Kerry Rhodes. Rhodes has four interceptions this season and is capable of Pro Bowl caliber. Anderson can't afford to take risks over the middle if Rhodes is covering, because he's savvy enough to make a play on the ball and kill a drive.
Bad decision by Anderson...ugh, not again...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I'm sorry, am I watching the Jets game or a replay of the Cardinals game?
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
You're watching the Cardinals game, except with Jets jerseys superimposed on the on them.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Ah. Makes sense.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
On the replay, Anderson only saw the open field to the right side when throwing the ball. Must have figured Rhodes would've bitten on the playaction pass.

Antwan Peek down with an injury...we're already having our negative road vibes. Hopefully we can get a big third down stop here.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Noooo!!! not peak!! that means more Old man Willie.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 4:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SEAN JONES
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 4:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Wow, what a job by the goal line defense, and our defensive MVP over the past month, Sean Jones.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Man, the safety play has just improved dramatically from a few weeks ago
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 4:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Nice "D" with the two stuffs in a row and a big pick on 3rd down by Sean Jones.

Now Anderson needs to get his head out of his Butt....

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 4:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
what a stand by the defense. DA needs to take those guys out for dinner, he has forced them into some terrible situations the past few games.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 4:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Well, we sure wasted that turnover.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
And the first special teams award goes to Leon Washington. :(

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
battle of returners is being won by Washington so far.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 4:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
This first half has my blood boiling with frustration already.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 4:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Is it possible that the D will win a game for the Browns this year?

by JamesPowell on Dec 9, 2007 4:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Brandon McDonald has eased my blood pressure a little :)

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
So, the defense and offense have swapped places in the "who's fucking up the season" sweepstakes.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
B Mac- happy surprise of the second  half of this season.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 5:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Does DA have money on the Jets or something?
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I'm not sure if Cribbs is going to end up in the Hall of Fame or dead in the next 15 years. or both.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 5:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Cribbs on offense == Excitement. Anderson's got to hit that third down pass...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I'd like points on this drive please.  4th down, let's go for it... cribbs on a run/pass option? winslow in the flat?

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 5:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Man, that was ballsy. BRAYLON!!!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Good call going for it on 4th!  Either way, that call makes sense to me; the odds are in your favor to convert and if you punt, you likely are only going to move it 20 yards for a touchback.  Of course, this is easier to say after seeing the conversion.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Great catch on fourth down by Edwards. The Jets wasted a challenge on it too... Nice pass to Heiden!

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Steve Heiden sighting!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Touchdown...JAMAL LEWIS!

Only negative is we may be giving the Jets a shot to move the ball if Mean Leon gets a good kick return.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUCHDOOOWN! Now THATS some mother fucking offense!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I wish people would lay off DA already -- Cleveland fans have a bad habit of criticizing the hell out of good players whenever they make a mistake.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 5:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Me not like Jets moving with under two minutes...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Can we see some D please????

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 5:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
well, it drove my blood pressure up 30 points but we're ahead at the half...have to hope the offense comes out firing in the 2nd. C'mon, Browns!
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Surprising low scoring game so far.  DA has been alright, except the middle of the field seems dangerous with that young safety making hits and plays on the ball.  I can be patient with the short passes to the RBs and TEs, but I'd like a couple tries down the sideline to Edwards.

Defense has allowed a lot of short passes.  But solid tackling and bend but don't break idea is working so far.  Clemmons looks ok, but I think he can be rattled with a little more pressure.  Hopefully some blitzing will be coming.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 5:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Going out to start the second half and scoring a touchdown on the first series would show be a playoff "statement". A punt or turnover would be more like a team that barely makes it, if we do make it.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Definitely agree.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Whew...thank goodness that fumble didn't go through the end zone.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
THATS what I'm talkin' bout! Hells yeah! WHOOOO and other phrases of exuberance.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
The Braylon! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Sweet touchdown shoulder grab by Edwards, followed by the Tomlinson flick :D

There's the opening touchdown statement I was looking for. BTW, I didn't expect the Meadowlands to be this empty...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
nice call taking advantage of edwards' size.  Nice drive.  

Romeo has a sister named Juliet? How didn't I know that.  That is awesome.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 5:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Say what you will about Horse Balls' short passing game(and I have) but that man can throw the deep ball like nobody's business.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/story/2007/11/6/14835/5136

Check out the original post, as well as the following comments in that post for an explanation.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
the guys at Deadspin, I believe, named him this earlier this season. Said he was too boring and needed a better nickname than DA.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Originally I didn't care for it, but it's grown on me.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Defensive response after we take a multiple possession lead? Again, I like what I'm seeing from the defense today. Nice blitz on that third down pass; almost resulted in the nice flat pass jump-the-route interception.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Does anyone else agree that "I Am Legend" looks like an awesome movie?

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I'm generally not a sci fi fan, but it has some potential.  I like Will Smith a lot.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
This is against a bad team and a young QB, but we haven't looked this good against anyone on D... nice  job.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 5:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I hate having to argue that Winslow IS a tight end, but with type of block, he certainly doesn't look like a "complete" one.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 5:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
This is why I think punting is overused (something that is being discussed a lot recently): here the Browns were able to move the ball only 20 yards by their punt -- certainly, they would not have been in much worse position if they just went for it and tried to pick up the 5 yards they needed.  They probably had a 35-40 percent chance to convert, which strikes me as a lot better than just giving the ball back to the other side with great field position.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Case in point: 3 plays later, they are right where we were.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Beating a dead horse: Jets do the right thing and convert on 4th and 8.  We had a good chance of avoiding all this had we not just reflexively punted.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I totally agree.  I think the Patriots line of thinking to go for it more than not is starting to spread.  Some coaches aren't paying attention, but the good ones are.  Between the opponents' 45 and 30, I'd go for it most of the time on 4th.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 9, 2007 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Sounds like you guys have been reading TMQ, huh?  I couldn't agree more.  It really does provide a strategic advantage.  

by macasson on Dec 9, 2007 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
This game is going so quick that we may actually see a good portion of the Patriots/Steelers game after this...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Cannot believe we let them convert a 4th down. Ugggh.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
well, held them to 3. Could have been worse.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
We still have the best possible one-possession lead. The offense needs to kick it up a notch again and either make it so we pin them back or go up by two possessions.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
That play from New England just became one of my favorite plays in history.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Brady fired a behind the line of scrimmage pass to Moss. Moss then fired it all the way back to Brady. Brady then heaved it for a 57-yard touchdown to Jabar Gaffney for a touchdown.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
hey 17 yards for Chris' mancrush.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
And the lead extends. Couldn't see the penalty on Winslow..was it valid?
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Meh...a little contact was made, but not enough to significantly impact the play IMO.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Wow...I'm very impressed with Phil Dawson there. 49 yard shot in the rain/snow mix is GOOD.

Too bad Anderson couldn't connect with Winslow on the previous play though. A little better pass and I think it would've been a first down.

I'm more concerned about this next kickoff than I am the Jets possibly driving. I'd be for squib kicking it since the precipitation is falling.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Precipitation helped us without the squib I suppose.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
New England is up 31-13 on the Steelers now. Just for theory's sake, a Browns' win and Steelers' loss would technically keep our division hopes alive. We'd have to win out, and the Steelers could very well lose to the Jaguars next week. Then, if they lose to either the Rams or Ravens by the luck of the draw, anything is possible ;)

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Man, you have to appreciate the type of effort Coles is giving.

Oh my god! McDonald with another big play; an interception!

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
PICK!! Good ol' B-Mac!

Hmmmmm...he needs a better nickname...

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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Big Mac....Fry Guy...Arches....Quarter Pounder...hey, we could call him "Royale with cheese"
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
What the hell just happened????
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
If we can just get a TD, we are in great shape.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
did we lose 34 yards then gain 28?????
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
By the way, so much for Pittsburgh's guarantee: NE is killing them!

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Another idiotic call to punt.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Why didn't we kick a field goal?? What the hell is going on?!?!?!?!?!???
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
That punt, on both instances, is a situation where I'd imagine Zastudil was told to just kick it for a touchback. It'd be better to have that than having the ball blocked or having Leon Washington pull one of his Houdini acts.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
The Jets mercifully punt to us without much game left to play. Time to ice the game with Lewis pounding it away on the ground.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
That was an excellent defensive stand. This is easily the D's best performance of the year.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
3 and out would be marginally acceptable if it had been three runs and out.

by JamesPowell on Dec 9, 2007 6:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
yeah, woulda meant another 50-60 seconds off the clock.  

by macasson on Dec 9, 2007 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Well, very ineffective drive in the rain; 3 and out. And sheesh...I can't believe the Jets' stadium is this empty.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
amazing...we managed to kill a whole minute. Why are we incapable of putting games away?
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Are we entering the stupid prevent defense now?

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
OK; where's our defense????

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
HaHa...my Chaun Thompson prediction just partially came true. But ugh...now a pass interference call on Leon Williams.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Not to mention an on-side kick.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Penalties
again are killing us......

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
That was pathetic...no sense of urgency defensively. Now we have to worry about any miscue turnover losing the game for us, or if our offense can't get a first down.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
What a joke.  Why didn't we just trade them a td for a minute?

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Runs of 17, 13 and 11 yards on that drive.  What is up with the Browns' D?

by JamesPowell on Dec 9, 2007 6:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
We have GOT to get the ball and kill the clock. If we lose this game I will burst a blood vessel in my brain, strictly from rage.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
The Jets are plentiful with timeouts, but at least we stopped the two-pointer. Look out for an onside kick.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Sweet, now they can;t win it with a field goal. we can still blow this though...KILL THE FUCKING CLOCK
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
damn, this isn't good...

We just lost this game I'm afraid.

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
What is a fan to think?  Browns cannot execute on fundamental plays.

by JamesPowell on Dec 9, 2007 6:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I cannot believe this melt-down.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
complete f---ing meltdown -- didn't even get them to use a TO.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
My heart is racing now, and I don't have a good feeling at all.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 6:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
say that again: this could end our season, and see us lose them all out.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Maybe if they score quickly we can answer.  Dammit, this all goes back to shitty coaching and poor game management.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 6:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Have to wonder why the Jets bother to pass at all.

by JamesPowell on Dec 9, 2007 7:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
totally pathetic tackling there on that draw play.

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Two minute warning. I'm already speechless at the moment; it'll be more so if the Jets get a touchdown here.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 7:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
no 4th down conversion....please....
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
GET THE FUCKING ONSIDE FUCKING KICK YOU FUCKERS
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Oh god; it'll come down to another onside kick. And if they recover this time, all they need is a field goal. And, if we recover, the Jets STILL have three timeouts. UGH...

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 7:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
OK, here comes another onside kick. Surely they can't get 2 in a row right?

RIGHT!?!?!?!?!

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Don't bet anything you value on it
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
We may have just been saved by the dumbest call I've seen in a while: why kick that FG?

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 7:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Exercise in Fundamentals 101:  Can you kill 1:43?

by JamesPowell on Dec 9, 2007 7:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Joe knows onside recoveries.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Joe J comes up big!

OK, we still need a 1st here to end this!

jets have all 3 timeouts.

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
If we could get another field goal, we could possibly ice this...
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This season
we are just getting the breaks; I guess the football gods have owed us some.  Wow.  Jamal Lewis!!

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 7:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

RIGHT UP THE GUT FOR 6 GAME OVER!!!!!!

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
That was the most unexpected thing I've seen in forever. Consider it iced, baby.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
My god, I have to live through another onside kick.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 7:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Well, Nugent has iced it by kicking OOB.

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
You've got to be kidding be. Re-kick...FOURTH onside kick.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
For the love of God make it end!

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Ok, as long as we don't blow the quarterback-center exchange here, the game will be over.

by ChrisPokorny on Dec 9, 2007 7:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Its over. Iced like a mocha, baby.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
It ends.

A win is a win and Tennessee and Pittsburgh both lose. Pretty good day all around!

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Joe knows clutch
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
No let up. Next week is must win also. Buffalo will not be a pushover.

by mgtbfb on Dec 9, 2007 7:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No doubt
For the Bills, it is going to be a must win; an even bigger game for them than for us.  We've must bring out our best game next week.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
Thank God that's over. 8-5 baby!!
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We won't have a losing season!!!
That itself is cause for celebration this week.  It's been a long time since we have not been under 500 -- as everyone here surely knows, it's only been once since the franchise came back in 99.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
It wouldn't be a Browns game unless they completely melt down and try to lose it on us.

Quality win, way uglier than it had to be.  But a W is a W at this point.

Let's hope we really get on our game for next week against the Bills.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 9, 2007 7:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
I've said it before and I'll say it again...this team is trying to kill me.
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by BringBackKosar on Dec 9, 2007 7:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets
OT: Anyone see Troy Smith at the end of IND-BAL? He looked pretty good in garbage time. Madden was positively gushing over him.

by JulioBernazard on Dec 10, 2007 8:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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