Cleveland Browns vs. Jacksonville Jaguars - Official Game Thread
Cleveland Browns @ Jacksonville Jaguars
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| Date: | October 26, 2008 | Location: | Jacksonville, FL |
| Time: | 4:05 p.m. ET |
Stadium: | Jacksonville Municipal Stadium |
| TV: | CBS |
Favorite: | Jaguars by 7 |
| Radio: | WMMS, 100.7 FM | Over/Under: | 41 |
| SBN Coverage: | Big Cat Country | Announcers |
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There are games that are tagged as "must wins" early on in a season, when in reality, they are only games you would like to win. Today's game against the Jacksonville Jaguars truly is our first must-win game of the season (although a loss does not put us officially out of the race). Last season, we finished with ten wins but failed to make the playoffs because of our poor record against conference opponents. Besides teams in our own division, the Jaguars are a team that will be hanging around in the wildcard race for the remainder of the season. If we lose today, we might as well say we're three games back of a wildcard spot at the halfway point of the season. Heading into the game, you can't help but think about one player and one player only: Derek Anderson.
With Kellen Winslow sidelined, will Derek Anderson light it up like he did against the New York Giants? Let's kick off this week's preview with the overall team statistics thus far...
OFFENSE
| Category | Browns | Jaguars |
| Points Scored | 15.3 (30th) | 20.6 (22nd) |
| Passing | 156.5 (28th) | 190.0 (20th) |
| Rushing | 99.0 (25th) | 116.5 (14th) |
| Total Offense (yards) | 255.5 (30th) | 306.5 (22nd) |
DEFENSE
| Category | Browns | Jaguars |
| Points Scored | 17.6 (7th) | 21.3 (13th) |
| Passing | 183.0 (7th) | 229.7 (23rd) |
| Rushing | 146.3 (26th) | 110.8 (17th) |
| Total Defense (yards) | 329.3 (18th) | 340.5 (24th) |
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Quarterback
There's no point in trying to defend Derek Anderson anymore. He either needs to go out today and play a manageable football game, or his starting job will be lost to Brady Quinn (perhaps even in this game). David Garrard hasn't had a brilliant season either, but the thing that separates them right now is completion percentage. Garrard is connecting on 66% of his passes, while Anderson has only completed 49% of his. Half of the time Anderson drops back, the ball is hitting the turf. Funny statistic though: Anderson has not thrown a pick in his past two games. |
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Running Back
I would've given the Jaguars the edge here heading into the season because of their one-two punch at running back, but that has changed with the declining performance of veteran Fred Taylor. He has 23 carries for just 54 yards over his past three games! Maurice-Jones Drew is fairing better with a 4.6 yards-per-carry average on the season, but he is at his best when he's able to come in and spell Taylor. Jamal Lewis has played exceptionally well the past two weeks against the Giants' and Redskins' tough run defenses, and will look to get over the 100-yard mark for the first time this season. |
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Receiver
The Browns lifted Kellen Winslow's suspension, but will still deactivate him for today's game. Honestly, with the current state of the team, I think our offense has a better chance of flowing this week with Steve Heiden starting. Hopefully we'll also get a look at rookie tight end Martin Rucker for the first time this season. The Jaguars top receiver Matt Jones was handed a three-game suspension by the league, but will still play this week as his appeal is heard. The Browns will face former teammate Dennis Northcutt for the first time ever, and although there won't be any "intense" feud or anything, it'll be interesting to watch him play against us nonetheless. The past two weeks, Donte Stallworth has been used in a lot of shifts and motions. This week, it's time to actually get him the football too. |
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Offensive Line
The Jaguars look to get a huge lift this week on the offensive line with center Brad Meester and guard Chris Naeole making their first appearances of the season. The Browns would get the advantage here if Ryan Tucker was listed as healthy, but that's not the case. Chances are, Kevin Shaffer will start at right tackle again, which almost guarantees that Anderson will be facing quite a few hurries from his side. |
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Defensive Line Corey Williams has still failed to make a significant impact this season, and Louis Leonard is not a starter. Basically, we're consistently banking on Shaun Rogers alone to stop the run, and that's not going to work with ineffective linebackers behind you. The Jaguars have better depth on their line right now, with DT John Henderson being their best player. Henderson, a tremendous run-stopper, will force the Browns to run up the middle less often than usual. The Jaguars' line isn't really built on getting sacks, but they can still bull rush people in the right matchup. |
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Linebacker
The overall combined play of Andra Davis, D'Qwell Jackson, and Leon Williams inside has been so bad this season, you can't help but scratch your head as to why rookie Beau Bell isn't starting, let alone receiving playing time. Kamerion Wimbley showed the slightest signs of improvement last week, so I'll really be focused on him this week to see if he has another decent game. Right now, my expectations aren't very high. The Jaguars' unit relies on speed, but they aren't really a strength or a weakness. |
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Secondary
Please have Mike Adams active for this game and playing the nickel back. If our secondary can stop the Giants and the Redskins for the most part, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to stop Matt Jones and Dennis Northcutt. The Jaguars can give up some chunks of yardage, but they are prone to making the game-changing plays. Drayton Florence and Rashean Mathis are top-notch corners, and young safety Reggie Nelson will return after missing the past three games to injury. |
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Special Teams
For the first time this season, the special teams edge does not belong solely to the Browns. Joshua Cribbs has yet to break the big one, making our special teams unit closer to average overall. The Jaguars have a reliable kicker in Josh Scobee, who is 11-of-12 on kicks this year, including 2-of-2 on kicks from beyond 50 yards. Dennis Northcutt is also a threat to score on punt returns at any time for the Jaguars. |
FINAL PREDICTION: Jacksonville Jaguars 28, Cleveland Browns 20.
The Jaguars are 3-3, but all three of their losses have come against teams with a combined 16-2 record. Two of those losses came at home, but I can't make the same mistake I did last week by picking an unproven Derek Anderson to exceed expectations on the road. Defensively, the Browns have gotten away with holding teams on third downs despite being gashed on the ground. This week, the defense will need more help than they actually receive from the offense, as the Jaguars will execute efficiently on third downs, and thus come away with a victory.
This is the official gameday topic for the Cleveland Browns in Week 8 as they battle the Jacksonville Jaguars. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!
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Alll I have to say is that if Anderson looks bad in the first half and we’re not scoring points, there had better be a QB change at halftime. I’m sick of watching a quarterback that doesn’t give our team a chance to win the game. It’s time for the team to stop making excuses; we don’t know what Quinn can do unless he gets a chance to play in a game.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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Here’s to Quinn not becoming the new Marte!
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Free Brady!!
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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haha — awesome, Turk.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Thought you’d appreciate that.
Crappy Bucks game last night, eh?
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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If Pryor had just protected the ball better . . . . if he got around that defender, he had open space to the end zone. Very frustrating. But he’ll learn from that mistake.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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I mean you can try to trace it to that one play, but really we should have been passing before third down earlier in the game
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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I thought that Tressel did a better job with play-calling yesterday than he had the last few games. He did open it up more and let Pryor throw more on first down. But you’re right; he’s still too conservative. Especially in the second half when we got our second field goal — he got too conservative and seemed to be settling for the field goal instead of going for a TD.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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It was clear that Pryor is not living up to the 53% passing, 3 INT (in a loss) standard set by Juice Williams.
He really should get back to dominating in the national spotlight against the #3 team in the nation about 1 month in to his academic career as a true freshman that supplanted a 6th year senior and winning 4 straight national championships like everyone expected.
by rufio on
Oct 27, 2008 2:02 AM EDT
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Yep, because I said that Juice Williams was the gold standard. I was actually just poking fun at Brad. I wanted Pryor to win that game as much as anyone.
by fwembt on
Oct 27, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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Turk – that took page 7 on google images to find. Really?
by joeee on
Oct 26, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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Dude, it was the first image I found.
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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haha, really? I just typed in “brady quinn” – you must’ve adjusted your search parameters to include important adjectives.
by joeee on
Oct 26, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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I searched for “brady quinn touching dudes”
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
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there are a disturbing number of pictures that fit that description
by joeee on
Oct 26, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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Two things:
1) Who decides which games we get for FOX. Whoever it is, needs fired. Dallas/Tampa? Really? There are quite a few games more interesting to me. ARZ/CAR, ATL/PHI, and SD/NO would all be preferable. However, Dallas is “America’s Team”, so apparently, we get stuck with them.
2) Chris is picking a Browns loss, so we are guaranteed a win… right? Predicted a win vs. Washington- LOSS. Predicted a loss to the Giants- WIN. Predicted a win vs. the Bengals- WIN (everybody gets lucky now and then and… it WAS the Bengals). Predicted a win vs. the Raves- LOSS. Predicted a win vs. Dallas- LOSS. So, in short, if the Browns win today, I want to see Chris predicting them to lose out the rest of the season.
by Fundamentals on
Oct 26, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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I think I’ve seen the Cowboys game every weekend so far. You’re right; there are more exciting games I’d like to see. Especially since Dallas is missing about half of their team and they’ve sucked the last two weeks. I think the SD/NO would be the most exciting — the Saints have the best offense in the league this year (I think). But, no, we get the Cowboys every friggin’ week.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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There was a graph I saw a few weeks ago showing all the games people in each city have seen, combined, over the past four years. I think it was something like…“if you live in Cleveland, over the past four seasons, you’ve only missed six Dallas games”. That’s ridiculous — I’d absolutely love to see teams like the Panthers and Cardinals play more often.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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Gameday Inactives
CLEVELAND BROWNS: S Hamza Abdullah, CB Mike Adams, LB Shantee Orr, DL Shaun Smith, OL Ryan Tucker, TE Kellen Winslow, OL Scott Young and third quarterback Ken Dorsey.
Ugh…disappointed that Ryan Tucker is out again. Also peeved that we’ll have to suffer with Terry Cousin at nickel back again today…watch Dennis Northcutt burn him all game now.
In positive news, Martin Rucker is active for the first time this season. No word on Jacksonville’s inactives yet.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Bell is active as well as Rucker?
by Fundamentals on
Oct 26, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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Yep, but Bell is probably for special teams with Orr out.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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Northcutt is still one of the softest WRs in the game. As long as he can hear Cousins’s footsteps, he’ll drop his fair share.
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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Here we go :) Time to see which Anderson we get on drive one.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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Was there any word this week on how the snaps were distributed at practice this week among the QBs?
by Fundamentals on
Oct 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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Is this available on ustream or anything for out of towners?
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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I guess Northcutt is not returning punts. Poor short-yardage execution there…
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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Anderson has a better completion % than Garrard right now.
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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And there goes Northcutt — barely holding onto an open pass.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Another catch — higher percentage that Edwards this season thus far.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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That play should’ve been challenged and brought back, though.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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almost too early to throw the red flag
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Heh…don’t think we’ve thrown the flag all season; it’s not like we need to save them for later ;) I do agree, in a way, though.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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Another tribute to our secondary — the pressure takes forever to get to Garrard on third down, but they still hold their ground.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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How are things going thus far? Rucker or Bell play yet?
Good DA or bad DA?
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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3 and out on the first drive. They had third and short but DA bumped in to Vickers on the handoff and he didn’t get it.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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First offensive series, third-and-1, Anderson went for the fullback handoff to Vickers but they collided. Then he was stopped short and we punted. Didn’t see Rucker in on any of those three plays, nor did I see Bell in on defense.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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Ha — beat you, Chris!
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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Hmm…who’s to say? On my screen, your post appeared about 1 second after mine :)
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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Really, my post is after yours on your screen?
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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See — I win ;)
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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Vickers has great hands.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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I could have ran through that hole.
"...leading the league in most offensive categories. Including nose hairs."
by sarcasmdave on
Oct 26, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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Wooo…creativity, right at John Henderson! And I projected we’d stay away from him.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Nice!
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Braylo! A catch!
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Braylon caught the ball!!!!!!!
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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PIT up 7-0 vs NYG. BAL beat OAK. We need this one, Browns!
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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PUCK FITTSBURGH
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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Man, it’s nice to be getting Browns/Jags and Giants/Stillers here in DC
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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STEVE HEIDEN
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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Steve Heiden & Anderson > Kellen Winslow & Anderson
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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Heiden = victory
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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Surely you jest
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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Why didn’t DA just run that in?
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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I thought that at first, but on the reply there was a defender there.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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Quinn/Anderson gets more heated than politics…watch your jokes. ;)
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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Does that make Ken Dorsey into Bob Barr or Ralph Nader?
by Fundamentals on
Oct 26, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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The other day, while being merely a listener, I couldn’t help but laugh at hearing someone tell another Browns fan that Anderson or Quinn aren’t the answer — we have our starting quarterback at third string in Ken Dorsey.
He then said that Dorsey lit the league up when he got in last year.
Yep.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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I also meant that I was “overhearing” a conversation; the guy wasn’t talking to me.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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I don’t know — the defender was right on top of DA after he released it.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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BOYA
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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What do you guys call this stuff? “Offense”? I think I like it.
"...leading the league in most offensive categories. Including nose hairs."
by sarcasmdave on
Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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It’s kinda awesome
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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TOUCHDOWN……STALLLLLLWORTH!!!
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by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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takes you to a site with two guys whose announcing aren’t good, but it links up with the NFL.com radio broadcast pretty well.
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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Don’t suppose anyone has one of those streams of the game this week…..
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by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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thx
still waiting for it to load
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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Also, http://www.justin.tv/mikej1224
might have some links, although it doesn’t look like it is broadcasting. You can search that site too to look for better feeds. Tell me if you find one.
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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Well, that’ll buy DA another couple of games worth of starts
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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Like to see that safety coming up in the box late.
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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nice drive, but is there a reason DA ran off the field and didnt celebrate with anyone?
by wendigo on
Oct 26, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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are you referring to the wisconsin game last year?
by wendigo on
Oct 26, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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Yes, but I didn’t see DA at all after his touchdown.
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Huh?
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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yea we were down by two touchdowns at that point and he was making a statement to the team that there was still work to do
by wendigo on
Oct 26, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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Do you think this game is over?
I put a question mark after “Wells” because I was giving a answer other than the obvious “he isn’t having fun, he is angry, etc” and it didn’t make a whole lot of sense but it was the only thing I could think of outside the obvious. I am trying to say it doesn’t make sense, so you don’t need to argumentatively tell me that it doesn’t make sense because I preemptively agreed with you. Dig?
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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no i see your point, but he could have at least high-fived stallworth before running off the field.
by wendigo on
Oct 26, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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I don’t disagree. Unless he (Stallworth) plays better when he is mad, in which case, we should all act like we are going to high five him, and then at the last second give him the finger.
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Don’t remember what you’re referring to.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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We are down a couple of scores vs Wisco last year, Beanie runs a TD in, everyone tries to celebrate with him, he runs away all the way to the bench and emphatically sits down.
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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Nice breakup by McDonald. Shout out to kwoog.
by rufio on
Oct 26, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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Jesus I hate Mac commercials
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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the new batch is great
what’s not to like?
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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’lets make fun of windows for advertising….through our own annoying advertising"
by wendigo on
Oct 26, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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more like “let’s make fun of Windows for advertising, instead of repairing Vista”
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 26, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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I haven’t had many problems with Vista.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 26, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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Me neither. I still haven’t found a legitimate reason to buy a Mac other than “ooh, shiny.”
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 26, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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wow are you serious. theyre working on two new OS’s right now…why woudl they fix vista? it was a total flop and they are moving on
by wendigo on
Oct 26, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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“if you have three OSes, you have none”
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geez, and you mac fan boys wonder why everyone hates you
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why woudl they fix vista?
I dunno — cuz people paid (varying amounts of) money for it?
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look, the point is they are fixing it, but they are also working on new OS’s. but for mac to bash windows for making one line of commercials? thats total bullshit.
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Not that I really care what brand of computer you use, or think that one OS is completely better for everyone’s purposes than the other…
but I think the point of the Mac ad is that Windows went just about everywhere in the world—and therefore spent a lot of money—to prove that there are still “stereotyped” PCs out there. They did all of this while there are major problems with their latest product that aren’t fixed while people—who probably payed a lot of money—have a not-so-working OS. Mac shoots their commercials in a white room.
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I’ve had 0 issues with Vista. Also, Apple is at least paying a guy that has appeared in a few movies to act in that “white room”
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I am guessing a guy who sometimes guest stars on the Daily Show and another guy who guest starred on that 70s show, King of the Hill, and whose upcoming projects include “Alvin and the Chipmunks II” aren’t too ridiculously priced.
To clarify, my point is not that Mac actually spends less on commercials, its that they can make it appear that they spend less on ads. Windows had to at least get guys with cameras out to all corners of the world with a crew. I wish I had the money to do that. They probably had to pay all of the people in their ads, too. Maybe Apple spent that much, I have no idea. Their commercials just look cheap. So maybe I shouldn’t talk like I know all the facts.
Also its probably the perception of Vista having tons of problems is what matters, not the actual % of people having problems. Admittedly, I don’t know that a lot of people have problems with Vista, I just think they do.
Regardless, perception can sometimes be better than reality in advertising. And the Apple ads aren’t “bullshit”, they are working. I’d say they have the right to brag about making a better basic consumer level OS. If you love Windows or it really suits your purposes, great. A lot of people are really computer-dumb so sometimes a simpler, less virusy computer is for them. I absolutely need a Mac for "art"making, because that’s the nature of my field. I am sure other people are the same way for PCs. I really, really don’t care what kinds of computers people buy.
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I agree. The ads annoy me in general from both companies. I think there are genuine advantages to a Mac particularly for those that use video design, art design etc. PCs have the advantage of being the most identifiable and having a number of strong business programs. For my purposes, a PC suits me best, but it’s not the same for everyone
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FG Giants, 7-3 Pittsbugh.
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D’Qwell may be our best MLB, but look no further than that miss as to why our linebackers are well below average.
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He really needs to be able to make that tackle.
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time to start the Beau bell Era, says I.
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WHAT? How do you let the QB run for 24 yards!!
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Oy vey
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hes a pretty good runner thats how. did you nt watch the playoffs last year?
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We had many missed tackles. Did you watch that play?
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yup, but dont look at him as a pro style qb, they guy can move on his feet.
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Doesn’t matter; he shouldn’t be able to break tackles like that. It doesn’t matter who you’re talking about. By the way, I know about Garrard — I watch football.
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I wonder how having Rogers land on you feels….
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too late
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Crap on a crap cracker
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My game preview:
This week, the defense will need more help than they actually receive from the offense, as the Jaguars will execute efficiently on third downs, and thus come away with a victory.
I hate being right, even if it was only taking one drive into consideration.
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How many points have the Jags been scoring?
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OFFENSE
Category Browns Jaguars
Points Scored 15.3 (30th) 20.6 (22nd)
Passing 156.5 (28th) 190.0 (20th)
Rushing 99.0 (25th) 116.5 (14th)
Total Offense (yards) 255.5 (30th) 306.5 (22nd)
DEFENSE
Category Browns Jaguars
Points Scored 17.6 (7th) 21.3 (13th)
Passing 183.0 (7th) 229.7 (23rd)
Rushing 146.3 (26th) 110.8 (17th)
Total Defense (yards) 329.3 (18th) 340.5 (24th)
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Thank you for doing that for me while in an amazing display of laziness I sat here in front of the biggest and fastest resource in the world; the internet.
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Cribbs!
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Nice return by Cribbs
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There we go…that’s more like the little burst we’ve been waiting for from Cribbs.
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Yep.
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Cribbs, how do you get tackled by the kicker?
Still a good return.
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That was a nice tackle — he grabbed hold and wouldn’t let go. It looked like he was hanging on for dear life.
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I respect kickers who tackle. Or at least try.
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It was more like he attached to Cribbs, making him a 350+ man trying to cut up the field before tripping over himself :p
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Josh “Lamprey” Scobee
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good field position, just gotta do something with it
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Or not.
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or , perhaps…yes.
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Why do we have Steptoe out there blocking on 3rd down?
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WOo GO FOR IT
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Where is your god now, Kellen?
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Now THATS what we needed ! Hell Yeah!!
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YEAH!!!!
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HEDIEN = VICTORY
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Haha…finally a little emotion from Crennel.
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I do have to add — wow is Heiden slow.
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Heh…he can get even slower for all I care if he keeps playing this good.
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GameCast had that as a “-45 yard” play
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i cant wait to see what we can get for winslow in a trade. some frist round picks would be nice.
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yeah, doubtful. Winslow takes that in the endzone.
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And nobody would give more than a late 1st rounder for K2. Bad knees, “attitude problems”, the fact that he is a TE…
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Gutty run by Jamal there, WOO
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TOUCHDOWN……….LEWIS!
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TD!!!!!
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They try to stop him, but Jamal Lewis is a bad, bad man
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Great job RAC and C.H.U.D. and DA
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and various other Initials
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H.E.I.D.E.N.
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Hotread-Endzone-Initiation-Driver-Engine-Nomenclature.
That’s all I got. Someone one up me.
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He Evades Immobile Defenders Every Night
How’s that?
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Ooooo, like that one.
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Giants about to punch it in for a touchdown.
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TD Giants. But it’s being challenged.
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We’ve scored more points this week than we did all of last week.
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TOUCHDOWN………GIANTS!
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It’s being challenged.
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BCS relases, our buckeyes are still number 9, and still ahead of florida.
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Wow — the computers have OSU fifth? Even above Penn State? I know they’ve played a pretty tough schedule, but that’s suprising.
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Oh my god I hate Shitsburg
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Just remember…no matter how well the Steelers do, their fans still have to live ….in Pittsburgh
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Don’t answer that. Why is he playing ahead of a lot of other guys we drafted or were on our team longer?
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hey, rufio, does that link to watch the game from last week work?
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I think it is not broadcasting. I am at http://www.justin.tv/quinntime, and you could probably search that site.
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also www.howtowatchfootball.com may work.
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haha, who are these boobs broadcasting?
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Great stop defense!! Let’s get some more points before halftime.
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We need to get our defenders catching rabbits or chicken or something. Could have had Gerrard 2 times already.
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have them chase pigs on a linoleum floor
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BRAYLON
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HOLY SHIT BRAYLON
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Sopcast is now working
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=21840&part=sports
then click on the sopcast link and you can get the game
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5 yard pass on third and 9??
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It was good of him to get the ball out quick, it looked like a blitz and hot read, but I think it was just the wrong presnap read.
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what was that call? it was

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At least its fresh. There’s nothing worse than stale crap.
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rufio — check out your “Heiden challenge” above.
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I was actually quite impressed with myself.
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I think you’ll like mine.
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TV’s not in the same room as the computer, so had to wait until halftime. Just wanted to point out that it was Harrison that made the tackle on special teams that pinned the Jags back on that kick-off.
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He can make a reservation in Hawaii if he keeps this up.
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Rogers
all things considered, I think the Rogers trade has worked out well….Williams – the jury is still out
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Yeah he played well last week but then got injured again. Thats only one game where I noticed he was playing well, too.
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Yeah Bodden has been horrible in Detroit. I believe he has lost his starting job, and made a huge P.I. late in a game that cost them a win.
So, yeah I will give us the win on that one.
I already miss Matt Millen.
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Nice pass to the zebra
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He should have caught that — it hit him in the hands!
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Now THATS some good punting
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Yeah, I’d like to see those plays go to Cribbs more.
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anyone know what was going on with anderson and vickers last week? they seem fine now..
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Overall, a solid first half by the Browns.
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yes, much better than last week
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Yeah, I guess this means we won’t be seeing Quinn in the second half.
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Solid play on both sides of the ball
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Steelers still winning 7-6 but Giants have the ball in the red zone.
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9-7 NY
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Yeah, I kept switching over to that game during commercials and it seemed like every time I did the Giants were in the red zone but not scoring.
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BTW, coaxed my old laptop to life so I could follow the thread and watch the game.
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Gotta love that old windows machine that barely works.
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Big first pass by Garrard.
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Our MLB’s should be running all over the field. The Jags are double and triple teaming Big Baby.
If we can get a difference maker at MLB in the draft that may be a bigger factor than OLB this offseason.
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that would require LBs with speed
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Patrick Willis is hard to find.
But you are right, if we could get someone like that he could rush the passer too.
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Suck it, Roesthlisberger
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Eric Wright with a pretty good pass breakup.
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Touchdown, Cokehead
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What? I didn’t see Jamal core again.
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So are these jerseys like, the Steelers’ official home jerseys now?
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Ugh…just look at a freeze frame of our linebackers on the TD pass. D’Qwell barely walked up to the line, fake rushed, and then stood there. If his assignment is to do nothing, at least have him drop back and try to be in a passing lane :-/
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they’re nothing like PGH’s or BAL’s… nothing.
i hate that.
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It was probably a spy on Gerrard. Still, he should try to be in a lane.
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Anderson with some better touch on his screen passes today.
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Jamal Lewis is hungry, and we’re feeding the beast.
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that was a hell of a run
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
by BringBackKosar on
Oct 26, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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Offense is looking better, but I’d still like to see them mix it p a bit.
by JustBob on
Oct 26, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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BANG! Heiden again!
Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.
by ChrisPokorny on
Oct 26, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
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HEIDEN STRIKES AGAIN
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
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