Browns Depending on Home Crowd in Battle With Ravens
Did you hear? This Sunday...
- Jamal Lewis is going to be stuffed
- Derek Anderson is going to be picked apart
- Romeo Crennel is going to ignore the fans' chants for Brady Quinn
- Joe Flacco is going to break another huge run against us
All of those are guarantees -- at least, in the minds of some Ravens fans. There are a few things that our beloved rivals in Baltimore are forgetting: this game will be played in Cleveland, this is Week 9 of the National Football League (and not Week 3), and the Ravens are not a great football team.
That's not to say the Browns are a great football team. Overall, at this point of the season, the Browns have underachieved and the Ravens have already surpassed my expectations. The Ravens' defense deserves credit for returning to old form, and their offense deserves credit for making plays when needed with a rookie quarterback under center. When you're comparing the strengths of one team versus another, to say that this should be a blowout for the road team on any particular Sunday would have to be nothing more than a fan's bias taking over to the extreme.
Last season, Derek Anderson threw five touchdowns and one interception in a home blowout victory over the Cincinnati Bengals. When he faced the Bengals later in the season on the road, he threw two touchdowns and four interceptions, with two of them basically being taken back for touchdowns.
Home games can make a world of a difference.
The Browns started this season off shaky at home, but it is not a fluke when you rip apart the New York Giants -- that means you at least have some of your home "mojo" back. This season, the Ravens are 1-2 on the road. Most notably, they were blown out by the Indianapolis Colts 31-3 a few weeks ago. They were able to build some positive momentum on the road two weeks ago though, as they defeated the Miami Dolphins 27-13.
The implications surrounding this game are huge for both teams. Whichever team wins will definitely be ahead of the other one in the division race, and the winner would also have the potential of claiming the sixth seed in the AFC through nine weeks. Of course, more is on the line for the Browns. Getting swept by any division team virtually wipes out any hopes of a division crown, and we'd also fall behind a pack of seven-eight teams in the wildcard hunt.
Last week, it was do-or-die time on the road against a Jacksonville Jaguars team that I would consider to be on the same level as the Ravens, and we defeated them. If we bring that same intensity this week and are able to feed off the home crowd like we did against the Giants, there is no reason the Browns can't come away with a victory.
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Is it your intention to continue to allow the homers and gomers (like rexx) of teams we are about to play free rein to post their “views” onto this blog? If so, why not name it Dogs by Nature with Bird Droppings?
If I wanted their views and bias, I would visit their site. Just my thoughts but I really prefer my discourse with like-minded Browns fans.
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by Juannieboy on Oct 30, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Part of the storyline of this game is the bitterness some fans feel towards each other. Considering 41% of the voters have voted “Yes” so far in the poll above, I don’t think there is a problem with addressing things the way I did to lead things off in the post.
Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 31, 2008 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My level of hatred of the Baltimore Ravens was already so high that the behavior of their fans simply confirmed my opinions regarding why it is good and proper to hate their team, their players and their fans.
by woodsmeister on Oct 30, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1st of all, Just because the browns beat jaxx doesnt mean they are going to beat us. The Ravens D is better then the jags and our offense is starting to gel toghter. This is going to be a great game but it wont be the same is it was week 3. For the 1st time in years, our offense can put up points. I know we scored 27 and 29 points on miami and oakland, put they are still nfl teams. In miami, they have a good defense who geat to the ball very well. Flacco had his best game there. against oakland, we introduce our new “Suggs Package” and we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg. Cleveland has the home-field advantage in this game, but i dont think they are going to get it done. We will see tho. Also, You shouldnt hate. It’s a very powerful word. If you let a few words from people you might never see in your life bother you, you might wanna find somthing better to do.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on Oct 30, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are a cherrypicker. How do you explain 3 pts against a mediocre Colts D?
by Roger Dorn on Oct 30, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id do it by stating Flacco’s million interceptions
by archon095 on Oct 30, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you might be understating that a bit. Plus several hundred fumbles.
by math_geek on Oct 31, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Works for me.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Oct 30, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Just because the browns beat jaxx doesnt mean they are going to beat us.”
No one, no one, no one would ever make that claim. The point is that we beat Jacksonville on the road—where Anderson typically preforms horribly—and that in the recent past the Browns have been much better at home. Even if the Browns played well and lost at Jacksonville, the point would remain that they played well in an away game.
I bet if Oakland had to play every college team in California they would lose at least once. Miami is looking better than 1-15, but they are hardly the class of the AFC right now.
I doubt this game will be as one-sided as some of your fanmates have predicted. A lot is riding on Flacco. Why aren’t you guys playing Troy Smith?
by rufio on Oct 31, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of the positivity about the Ravens is that they've put up
a hell of a fight in 6 out of 7 games, and won 4 of those. Winning against the Raiders means nothing really, as they are terrible team facing a huge away distance. Beating Miami means a lot more to me personally. They’ve beaten the Bills, Chargers and Patriots. That’s a heck of a list. They’ve also played it close against Houston and NY Jets. Most importantly, Flacco proved he could play well on the road, just as he did against Pittsburgh. I know Flacco’s going to give us several more of those “OMG WHY DID WE DRAFT THIS GUY” games, but there’s no reason to believe he’s going to do that on Sunday as opposed to some other time.
We aren’t playing Troy Smith because Troy Smith had a lung infection an lost 30 pounds and quite possibly almost died. Flacco has established himself in the starting job because Smith is a bit rusty and wasn’t playing very well in the preseason before he got sick. Flacco has played quite well in five of his seven games, and one of those bad games was against Tennesee who makes most every team look awful on offense.
Cleveland has been playing a lot better. I was quite surprised to see how you guys started the season. I honestly don’t believe the Ravens are a playoff team this year (my fellow fans will flog me for that one), so if the Browns pull ahead of the Ravens by the end of the season, I won’t be too disappointed, as I’ll take it to mean the Browns regressed (progressed?) back to the mean of who they really are and it will hopefully guarantee that the Browns have to play Indianapolis and New England next year and the Ravens will be spared that unlucky piece of scheduling.
That being said, I’d still pick the Ravens in a close one.
by math_geek on Oct 31, 2008 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting. I knew there were some intelligent Ravens fans out there, it’s nice to see one finally post here. Hopefully the other Ravens fans will follow your lead and stop the ignorant posts.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 31, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think “omg why did we draft this guy” games should be expected out of rookie QBs. Your QB situation is the best it has been in quite some time if not ever. I am hoping it takes a while to develop your offense so that your defense has plenty of time to get old.
I hope DA doesn’t perform similarly (“OMG why is he still starting”) this Sunday to how he did against you guys last time. We are playing better, hopefully it will be a closer game.
Maybe if we have an actual NFL caliber guy at WR opposite Braylon, we can throw at your defenders that DON’T make the pro bowl.
I still like Troy Smith and think he can be an NFL QB.
Ray Rice is overrated in Madden.
That’s all I got. Thanks for not being a D-bag.
by rufio on Nov 1, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re probably addressing my comment about the Jaguars being on the same level as the Ravens. The Ravens definitely have favorable matchups defensively compared to them, but offensively I’d have to give the slight edge to Jacksonville.
A lot of that has to do with Joe Flacco’s inexperience — it’s not a bad thing in the long-run, as he definitely has some upside to him. Points-wise, I’m under the impression that that can be credited towards your new coaches, and also the obvious fact that your defense is setting the offense up with much better field position than last year.
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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 31, 2008 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead on correct, Chris
A lot of the offense is geared towards Flacco’s rookie-ness (?). However, he’s not being babied like Billick did to Kyle Boller not only his rookie year, but his entire career. And yes, having our defense set up the offense is great. Many of us fans rather would see our D on the field because we’re used to them scoring more than the offense. (Joke: Q-How do you keep the Baltimore Ravens off of your front yard? A-Erect a set of goalposts!).
Anyway, I’m surprised to see such a poll that gives your fans an option of voting for their hatred of us Ravens fans. We do not hate you or your fans. We just hate your team as it is in our division. We like to visit other teams we play and never have these type of responses, although there were some with the Bengals fans (can you believe they can trash talk? About what?). Perhaps it’s an Ohio thing. Nice writing though, Chris. Good luck with the blog. It sure does great, numbers wise.
Rexx
by Rexx on Oct 31, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised to see such a poll that gives your fans an option of voting for their hatred of us Ravens fans.
Poll Question: “Do you hate the Ravens more because of the fans that have posted on Dawgs By Nature?”
The above asks if the TEAM is hated more.
Poll Options:
-Yes — their ignorance just adds to my hatred for the team.
-No — I hate the Ravens, but the level of hatred hasn’t increased.
-No — I don’t really even hate the Ravens.
-No — I like the Ravens, and am probably voting for this because I’m a fan of purple.
You must have misinterpreted the poll, because in no way did it say “hate their fans”. It said “hate the Ravens”, which is what you are agreeing that you do towards the Browns (for division rivalry purposes). The closest option I give towards disparaging Ravens fans is the fact that fans can select if they believe they are ignorant. Feeling someone is ignorant is much different than hating them personally. It’s not like Browns fans feel “man, if I see this Ravens fan, I’m gonna try to stab him because I hate him!” It’s more so like “arg…they are annoying me, and I’m applying that towards the Ravens hatred on gameday”.
I voted for the second option, by the way.
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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 31, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rexx says:
We do not hate you or your fans.
Yet his comments on his own blog about Browns fans convey another sentiment. (His comments are easy to find given the paucity of contributions to that site. But I’ll proved some easy links just in case.)
they now head home to the cozy (?) confines of their home field and their loyal, yet misguided fans, the Dawg Pound. The Browns’ fans are trash talking, foul mouthed blind loyalists
…the Browns fans are angry, bitter and their attempts to term our Ravens fans as “ignorant” is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black.
…you’ve got to hand it to the fans to stick with their team through the thick and the thin, even if the thin is the norm in Cleveland as far as the Browns are concerned.
But the most unsettling thing is his apparent endorsement of placing bounties on players from the other team.
…bring it on the field and then pay up in the locker room without any mention to the press, just like they did in the old days.
So, yes, Rexx, I would say that you do hate Browns fans. I would also say that you would like to see members of the Browns physically harmed.
So, please don’t go away mad. Please just go away.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Oct 31, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defending Rexx
Quote 1) “trash talking, foul mouthed, blind loyalists” is probably a compliment as far as football fans are concerned.
Quote 2) More of a response than an attack than anything resembling hatred
Quote 3) This is clearly a compliment (maybe a backhanded one), but really, it’s not like the last decade was kind to the Cleveland Browns.
Quote 4) This is clearly a reference to that god-awful stupid Suggs comment. And then Brian Billick has to go running his mouth just to embarass the Ravens organization that fired him. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Browns. I don’t know what really happens in the locker room, and I’m not convinced that “all teams have bounties.” I’m also not convinced Suggs understood what the word “bounty” meant. Worst media outing ever.
That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a cash reward for stuff like a big hit, a forced fumble, or a major interception. It’s illegal, but it’s harmless, and underaged drinking is illegal too, so God knows I can’t claim innocence.
by math_geek on Oct 31, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suggs does not understand what the word “bounty” means? What, pray tell, do you think he meant.? If you are trying to spin this, be careful of your words. Al Sharpton may be watching.
Also, underage drinking has proved more than ’harmless" to untold thousands. You really are a geek huh?
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by Juannieboy on Oct 31, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why I’m bothering to respond to you.
But yes, I’m a geek, and proud of it.
I never actually said underaged drinking was harmless, although, in a different forum, I might give you a full documentation on why America’s high drinking age does far more harm than good.
As for Suggs not knowing what the word “bounty” meant, it was the reporter who used the term first, as in… “Do you have a bounty on Hines Ward?” It wasn’t Suggs’ words, and Suggs repeated that saying he’d like to get a hit on Ward because Ward is a cheap player. They weren’t able to get him, but next time they play, “we’ve got something special planned for him.” If the word “bounty” hadn’t been used, we could interpret that the Ravens want to hit Hines Ward hard, which they do.
Ray Lewis had a huge hit on Rashard Mendenhall that ended up knocking him out for the season. No real reason to believe that Lewis wanted to injure Mendenhall. It was a clean straight on hit from the front. And it just worked out really badly. It happens. This is football. That doesn’t mean that players should stop hitting each other.
And Suggs’ comments during that interview were so stupid I can’t help but suspect that he didn’t know what bounty meant.
by math_geek on Oct 31, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are smarter than that. You can’t honestly think that those weren’t slights against Browns fans. If you really need me to break down how and why they were, but I think you know exactly what he was saying and just don’t want to look bad.
Come on, man.
by rufio on Nov 1, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, being mean to ignorant people on our site is an “Ohio thing”. Not knowing how to read must be a “Maryland thing.”
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 31, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate your team because it used to be our team and it was ripped out from under us by that [expletive deleted] Art Modell. I hate their fans because they pretend that Art Modell isn’t a lying [expletive deleted], but rather a good guy, and they actually have the chutzpah and ignorance to come on this site and defend the completely indefensible Art Modell to the people he screwed. I hate their fans in that while defending that [expletive deleted] Art Modell, they actually seem to think that having this team ripped out from under us wasn’t a big deal because we got another team back and we got to keep the name and colors, despite the fact that the NFL imposed the most onerous rules and conditions ever on an expansion team to pretty much ensure that we wouldn’t win any time soon.
So, yes, I hate your team and I hate your fans. I was upset when they stuck your team in our division because I’d just as soon pretend your team didn’t exist rather then having to deal with their existence twice a year. Beating the Ravens is pleasant, but ultimately unsatisfying because it reminds me of the pain of losing the Browns, which for Cleveland fans is still pretty much an open sore.
So, as far as I am concerned, and I don’t speak for all Browns fans but I think I speak for a large chunk of them, we are still pretty bitter and as far as we are concerned, we don’t want you around our blog if you’re going to spend any time trash talking or justifying Art Modell. We don’t give a rip about your pain at all. It’s not comparable.
by woodsmeister on Oct 31, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I’m gonna rec that.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 31, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
couldn’t have been said any better
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Oct 31, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so I understand
You don’t want anyone on your site as long as they don’t agree with your opinions. Hmmm….I wonder what they call that? No problem, I’ll only respond to your questions on the side FanPost. Otherwise, I’ll recommend no onther Ravens fans ever return to your site if that’s what Chris wants. Remember, it’s his blog, not yours or mine and he can invite, or un-invite anyone HE deems inappropriate. That said, I’m gone from here. Hope you feel better.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 1, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying why we hate your team and your fans. If you want to come here and contend that Art Modell is worthy of respect instead of contempt, we will just continue to give you the hatred that you merit.
by woodsmeister on Nov 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To expand further – we don’t like the Pittsburgh Steelers, but we respect the. We don’t have an iota of respect for the Ravens or their fans.
by woodsmeister on Nov 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The coaching is huge.
We actually haven’t had all that great field position, but the offense definitely seems to capitalize when they get it. We actually had a 97 yard TD drive against the Raiders last week. Special Teams were definitely struggling in the beginning of the season, although they are getting better.
I think what makes us different from JAX offensively is while they have a better QB and RBs, their interior offensive line is terrible, where ours has been pretty good. Losing Yanda was a big blow, especially for this game as Chester really struggles against big D-lineman, but Chester has been playing well and is extremely effective in the screen game.
Who knows what Flacco will look like next year. Just about anything is possible.
by math_geek on Oct 31, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id say Flacco will look pretty funny next year after Rogers rips him a new asshole Sunday. Hows that for a possibility?
I also understand that vermon you have for a middle linebacker puts bounties on the opposition’s players. Any word on who needs to have their heads on a swivel for the Browns this week?
I am trying to play nice. I really am!
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by Juannieboy on Oct 31, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you looking at Flacco’s asshole(s)?
by rufio on Nov 1, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was said elsewhere, but I’ll second the appreciation for your thoughtful analysis and civil manner.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Oct 31, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate anyone
Just as Raven fans can’t stand the Indy Colts, Browns can’t stand the Ravens. We can sit and argue who got screwed the most, but that would take longer than the running of “Cats” on Broadway.
This will be an interesting game, both teams are playing better, Ravens more consistent, but I will take the Browns late on a Dawson FG that doesn’t hit every angle of the crossbar.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Oct 31, 2008 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In some ways, the Jags game was a turning point in our season. RC showed some fire. DA stopped looking like a bum. Jamal hit his stride, knocking over defenders and running with gusto. Rogers stepped up his fearsome game and is even more of a force. Every unit played more as a team. If the Ravens make a couple of mistakes early, this one may turn into a laugher.
by elsandito on Oct 31, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though we followed it up with a loss to the Redskins, surely the entire Giants game was more of a turning point that the Jaguars game? Spotlight, all units played well, Super Bowl champs…and the home advantage wasn’t the same as usual, since the Giants had won about 11 straight on the road, and then went and beat Pittsburgh on the road last week.
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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 31, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also looking good in the national spotlight, when the pressure was on.
by rufio on Nov 1, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said spotlight :)
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 1, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were using it as a verb “to spotlight”, not the noun “(in) the spotlight”. My bad.
You are still lucky you met my fantasy team when Cutler and Marshall were on a bye.
by rufio on Nov 2, 2008 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Holds up an 8-0 sign)
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 2, 2008 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it a little premature to talk about turning points in this season, considering that the season hasn’t really turned that much yet?
by woodsmeister on Oct 31, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants game was an aberration of MNF and that sort of thing happens to plenty of bad teams. We followed that up with the same old crap.
I brought up turning point because I’m reading the tea leaves. Sure, once it’s obvious that the team is playing differently we can all look back using hindsight. I felt like going out on a limb.
by elsandito on Oct 31, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a question
Ugh, what a painful way to go out against the ravens. My condolences.
I did stop by to ask a question though after watching your two teams duke it out, and I’m honestly curious, not trying to just poke with a stick or anything. I’m sure there are many answers, but maybe there was a consensus?
What happened to browns fans when the browns were sold out to Baltimore when the browns were non-existent? Did your fans continue rooting for the players on your team in Baltimore? Or did you swear them off completely and move on?
Did fans move on to another team half-heartedly to root for, or just root against any team playing the ravens? Or was the NFL just not worth watching in the meantime? And if so, how long do you think it would have taken to get back into it if the browns did not re-create?
I can’t imagine how crappy it would be for something like this to happen to ones team, and I’m just wondering how one copes besides lots of beer and a burning hatred for Modell?
by steelguy99 on Nov 2, 2008 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I stopped watching NFL football for 3 years and found other ways to occupy my Sunday afternoons. I watched the Super Bowls. That was it.
by woodsmeister on Nov 2, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my answer
I tried to “adopt” the Packers because my wife is from the land of the cheeseheads. Even though they won the super bowl, it still sucked.
I hated on Modell and Andre Rison ( Rison said, something to the effect "piss on Cleveland and their fans….I am still getting paid) . I found little difference in them but at least Rison came out and said it. Modell’s words and tortured logic was more than most of us could bear. It was a bitter 3 years.
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