Coaches Can't Adjust to Flow of the Game
Time after time this season, Jerome Harrison has been productive whenever he has been inserted into a game. If he receives one touch, it goes for over 10 yards. If he receives two touches, he totals over 20 yards, and so on. The problem has been that after that short spurt of playing time, Harrison doesn't see the field the rest of the game.
In this morning's Plain Dealer, head coach Romeo Crennel had another baffling quote:
"We planned to try to use him [Harrison] and that's why we got him into the game in the first half. Sometimes it happens that maybe the ball doesn't get in your hands. The ball wasn't in his hands as much the second half. We're going to try to see if we can be a little more consistent about getting the ball in his hands."
To me, that sounds like pure stubbornness, either from Crennel or Rob Chudzinski. Heading into the game, the coaches have one little package or series in mind to dedicate to Harrison, with the rest designed for Lewis. No matter how well or how poorly each running back does during the game, adjustments are not made to the "flow" or "tempo" of the game.
The same thing happened with Derek Anderson earlier this season. Brady Quinn was on "high alert", but that didn't mean a thing because the coaching staff was too reliant on what they had planned heading into the game (I'm referring mainly to the Cincinnati Bengals game here, where Anderson played poorly enough to be benched after the first half).
Nonetheless, I suppose it's positive to hear that an effort will be made to give Harrison more touches, although I could've sworn I heard the same thing from Crennel two or three other times this season.
On another note, remember Shantee Orr? He has been neglected so much in terms of playing time that I completely forgot about the possibility of using him in the linebacker rotation. Orr is expected to be brought into the mix this week, which will slightly decrease the playing times of Kamerion Wimbley, Alex Hall, and Willie McGinest.
Crennel's assessment of Wimbley provides some entertainment too:
As for Wimbley, Crennel said, "It has been an unproductive year as far as sack totals. But Wimbley's been a consistent player, [and gives] consistent effort. I think he's improved as a player. We'll just keep working with him to see if we can improve that [sack] total so that everyone feels a little better about him."
Consistently sprinting around the left tackle with no results, indeed.
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The evidence for the need to fire Romeo is clear; just listen to his quotes. I’ve mentioned some in other threads, but these quotes just add to the list. He seems to have no clue of what’s going on. Like you said, the Browns don’t (or can’t) make in-game adjustments. They have a series of plays for Harrison to use and that’s all he gets, no matter how effective he is. And I still have no idea why DA wasn’t benched at halftime of the Bengals game. I don’t usually blame the coaches for mistakes but the past two games are on them. They have consistantly shown an inability to make adjustments during the game. We see something work for a few plays and then don’t see it again. Or the defense will keep getting beat with the same type of plays because they don’t adjust. I don’t know if Chud and Tucker need to go but Romeo certainly does.
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by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 14, 2008 9:54 AM EST
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The only exception I saw this season of the Browns going right back to something (which may have been an in-game adjustment) that worked was last week when Cribbs ran the reverse twice within a few plays.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Nov 14, 2008 10:31 AM EST
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Yeah, and the second time that went nowhere.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 14, 2008 1:05 PM EST
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I don’t think the quotes provide sufficient evidence – I mean, inherently, it’s not data or performance observation (like his brilliant time clock management). It’s just talk.
As terrible as Romeo sounds in all his clips, I actually think that that’s okay. I think it’s fully possible to have a brilliant football mind and be very clumsy with speeches or the press. I actually like how blunt he can be – very uncoachspeaklike – but most of the times I cringe at the “hope he doesn’t fall on his face” esque remarks.
by joeee on
Nov 14, 2008 5:12 PM EST
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There’s a difference between not having “coachspeak” and not having any idea what you’re talking about. I don’t necessarily think every coach should sound polished like Tressel, but he needs to sound like he knows what’s going on with his team. When our linebackers are playing terrible yet Crennel says that Bell can’t find any playing time, then something is wrong. And that’s just one example.
And, yes, the quotes are not sufficient evidence. But when coupled with everything that we see on the field then it just makes it worse. The quotes demonstrate an inability to observe what’s happening with the team. I know Crennel’s not an idiot and he’s been a successful defensive coordinator, but he obviously doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 14, 2008 7:25 PM EST
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Absolutely incredible. I mean you read those quotes, and your dumbfounded. If was a beat reporter, I would shake my head and walk away. What can you say. I am sure Romeo is a great man, but head coach of an NFL team, time to move on. Romeo will land on his feet, he will find work as a coordinator.
Just a shame this year, players bitching, players calling each other out, GM and owner want one QB the head coach another, Winlsow calling out the organization, what a joke this organization has become.
This team needs new management.
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by Grockcubs on
Nov 14, 2008 11:02 AM EST
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This is not by any means the first time we’ve heard this type of comment from Romeo. Forgive me if I stray off to baseball for a minute, but it’s very reminiscent of Mark Shapiro and Eric Wedge saying they hoped that things would develop to give Andy Marte some playing time – as if they weren’t the ones deciding how much time he got. Romeo seems bewildered by the flow of the game. Comments of this sort make you wonder if the game in its entirety is just too much for this coaching staff to grapple with. In our comments we often rip on players, but I think very often they’re being put in a bad position by coaching decisions. Example: in the Denver game, the Browns twice failed on goal-line attempts to run the ball with Lewis. TV replays showed that both times they pulled Joe Thomas across to the right guard/tackle gap to try to use him as a lead blocker. Both times he got there late, resulting in his filing the hole that Lewis should have been running in. It was simply poor coaching strategy, but it looked like Lewis just couldn’t break through from a yard or so out. That game was full of similar instances. The Browns need to take a really hard look at this staff, at least as much as their on-field personnel.
by drjeo on
Nov 14, 2008 11:36 AM EST
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Shaprio and Wedge operate on a much higher intelligence level than Romeo. Considering they budget restrictions these two are forced to work within by the Dolans, they do a pretty darn good job.
by dawginphilly on
Nov 14, 2008 1:51 PM EST
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It’s not the budget restrictions by the Dolans, it’s the market they’re in. Every market Cleveland’s size has about the same budget. All those idiots who call Dolan “cheap” and tell him to sell the team don’t know what they’re talking about — whoever buys the team would have the same restrictions.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 14, 2008 2:26 PM EST
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How can you explain Dick Jacob’s payroll compared to what it is after the Dolan’s took over?
Look at Dan Gilbert with the Cavs. Despite working with the same “market restricitons”, the Cavs have the second highest payroll in the league.
Obvously ownership has a significant say over payroll, market size withstanding. So those “idiots” who call Dolan cheap, well they are spot-on.
by dawginphilly on
Nov 14, 2008 3:10 PM EST
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Are you serious? First of all, attendence is not what it was in the 90’s. You can spend more when you sell out every game. Also, check the payrolls of MLB teams with similar size markets as Cleveland. They’re all about the same as the Indians.
The idiots who call Dolan cheap are made that Manny, Thome, Omar, etc. all left and think if they stayed we’d have won 10 championships by now. Those people know nothing about baseball. It’s not about spending money (although that does help), it’s about having smart management. Luckily the Indians have that in Shapiro. Spending money on expensive free agents does not make a successful baseball club; that’s been proven over and over again. All the fans who complain about Dolan being cheap are idiots, and it’s as simple as that.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 14, 2008 3:33 PM EST
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Listen pal, I’m just stating that market restrictions haven’t held back Gilbert from having the second highest payroll in the league, so take that argument elsewhere.
Dolan’s are middle of the road spenders, not particularly cheap. I think our payroll is around $78 million, 17th maybe in the league.
I agree, free agency isn’t how to build a baseball team, but it helps. Never stated that, don’t know why you did.
by dawginphilly on
Nov 14, 2008 4:11 PM EST
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I stated that because it’s the usual refrain of the “Dolan is cheap” idiots who are made that the Indians aren’t signing CC and want us to spend like the Yankees and Red Sox.
And the NBA is a different league with different economic conditions than MLB, so your comparison is not valid.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 14, 2008 4:57 PM EST
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Back up your proof that the comparison is not valid.
The MLB is more of a money-maker than the NBA, shared revenue.
Your points stink, but at the end of the day, we root for the same teams, so let’s agree to disagree.
by dawginphilly on
Nov 14, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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Brad is right. It’s a completely different beast.
Payroll range in the NBA: 44 – 98 million.
Payroll range in the MLB: 21 – 209 million.
by joeee on
Nov 14, 2008 5:34 PM EST
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Agreed. Way easier to raise the $ to pay an NBA roster than MLB. Salary cap/luxury tax also is a different condition.
Use of “pal” should be outlawed, buddy.
by rufio on
Nov 15, 2008 2:47 PM EST
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My points stink? If you want to learn about baseball, and talk Indians baseball intelligently, visit SN Nation’s Indians blog letsgotribe.com. It’s great place to discuss baseball with fans who know what they’re talking about and use better stats than you’ll read in the newspaper. If you want to complain that Dolan is cheap and think throwing a bunch of money at Manny and CC is the way for the Indians to be successful, go to cleveland.com and talk with the idiots there.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 15, 2008 11:23 AM EST
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Well done Buckeye.
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by Grockcubs on
Nov 15, 2008 11:50 PM EST
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Facts
I as much as anyone want to see Harrison play more. The fact is he was the primary back during 20% of the Browns drives (not plays). We all know what he did in the first half, but he was also the featured back on the Brown’s 3rd drive of the second half and had 1 carry for 4 yards. Winslow fumbled the next play.
Could RAC gone back to him on the next drive since that one was cut short? Sure! (although we scored a TD on the very next drive anyway). Could he spell Lewis within individual drives? Of course! Right or wrong, it is possible that RAC and Chud like to use one featured back per drive and Harrison just happened to be used in a 3 play drive. Argue all you want that Harrison should be used more (I would agree), but the fact is he was used later in the game.
by dvd1204 on
Nov 14, 2008 12:37 PM EST
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He was also stopped for not much yardage on the play that got him the 1st down during the 1st half drive. He does occasionally carry the ball for under 10 yards.
But 4 is still above Jamal Lewis’ ypc this season if I am not mistaken.
AND you don’t go to a change of pace back just for a drive—its all about touches. On that drive he only touched the ball once. That is a really really weak argument. I would be happy if our RB picked up at least 4 yards or a first every time he touched it. You must consistently change the pace to have a change of pace back.
The concern with Harrison or any smaller back is that they might get worn down due to too many carries. Harrison is hilariously far from having too many carries. Using “one featured back per drive” when you should be using Harrison more is the definition of stubbornness. WHY? For the love of all things good, why? Just because you “like” to only use one RB doesn’t mean there is a sound reason behind doing so. If switching RBs mid-drive works, why not do it? People are frustrated with RAC and Chud because they don’t make this kind of adjustment when it works.
When our offense was great last year, we weren’t afraid to try anything. The unbalanced line, trick plays with Cribbs, motions and formation shifts—all that made it hard for defenses. Why draw the line there? And furthermore, substituting one RB for another seems a lot more vanilla than motions, shifts, and unbalanced lines: it makes no sense to sit Harrison.
He was used later in the game, but not enough. “Not enough” is the key part of that statement. When Harrison touches the ball, he moves it. No one else in our offense does what he does, and he does his job effectively.
by rufio on
Nov 15, 2008 2:59 PM EST
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You say that the concern with Harrison or any smaller back is that they might get worn down due to too many carries. I guess what I’m trying to figure out, then, is why the Browns drafted him at all? They could have just gone with a guy like Barclay from that NFLE stint and never wasted the pick on Harrison.
You’re definitely right about the definition of a change of pace back, but the Browns coaching staff don’t seem to see it that way. Is there any other team in the NFL right now that is giving 95% (or whatever the actual number) of carries to just one back?
by JustBob on
Nov 17, 2008 5:06 PM EST
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As much as it is a bummer, it’s time to end the Crennel era. Two things that bother me from this:
1) It may signal the end of Chud’s reign here. I still feel he is a great young coordinator who has a ton to offer
2) It may signal the end of the Savage era. Like him or not, he has immensely upgraded the talent on this football team.
If these losses are what it takes to bring Cowher in, make it happen.
by dawginphilly on
Nov 14, 2008 1:54 PM EST
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I feel like they get these ideas in their head on how to win games too and it becomes too structured. Like some fact about Jamal Lewis carrying the ball a certain number of time, and then we win. They see that and decide to pound Jamal to get him that number of carries since its 100% effective translating to wins!
They need to be flexible. If something is obviously working, keep doing it! I feel stupid for making obvious statements which is what makes this whole ordeal so frustrating
by Roger Dorn on
Nov 14, 2008 2:17 PM EST
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I was just going to say that part of what aggravates me the most about this Crennel regime is that it feels like they think I’m stupid. Saying that Wimbley has improved as a player? Granted, I’m no coach, and maybe he’s doing a much better job of keeping contain on running plays…but come on. We’re not morons. We watch the games…and what Romeo tells us does not correspond to what we see on the field.
by DontCallMeJoey on
Nov 14, 2008 3:10 PM EST
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Newsflash for Romeo: Fans like production and results
by Roger Dorn on
Nov 14, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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There is something to be said for running the ball early to tire out the defense, keep your O on the field, and open up holes in the 4th quarter. Romeo is clearly erring on the side of sticking with things too long, though.
by rufio on
Nov 15, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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My point is to keep going to plays that are working. Don’t be afraid to abandon a gameplan if it isn’t working like running Jamal Lewis straight into the Ravens D line for a whole half
by Roger Dorn on
Nov 15, 2008 4:06 PM EST
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I agree, especially in that game. If the score is 7-3 at the end of the 3rd, you might make the case for trying to wear down a D and break a big one a la Tresselball—I have seen it work—but with the Ravens scoring 20 by then, and Jamal finishing with 2.5 ypc…throw the ball.
by rufio on
Nov 16, 2008 1:23 AM EST
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Playcalling...the dismal science?
I have never quite understood the system the Browns employ to call plays (offense and defense) and formations. Anybody got insight into this? How does it work? Is to just one guy; Chud I assume, or more?. Who decides on the players brought in or taken out? Is every possession ever scripted? etc. etc.
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by Juannieboy on
Nov 14, 2008 7:21 PM EST
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Each assistant is equipped with a new Ouija board at the beginning of the season. If the majority of the boards point to run, we hand the ball to Jamal, otherwise DA throws the ball into the dirt.
by elsandito on
Nov 14, 2008 8:21 PM EST
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OK. Good one. But on a serious note I don’t believe ever reading or watching anything about how the “system” actually works.
There can’t be much time between plays for the next offensive play call. I suppose Chud makes the call from a list based on down, distance, field position, etc. Romeo must listen in and have the “over rule” power.
However it works we must be screwing it up because we always seem to lead the league in most unimaginative play calling and piss poor adjustments.
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by Juannieboy on
Nov 14, 2008 8:43 PM EST
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Typically Coordinators call the plays. Sometimes, if a HC is a specialist on one side of the ball, he will call the plays on D. I believe Andy Reid calls the offensive plays for Philly.
Romeo was a DC, so on offense he should pretty much be keeping his mouth shut. He might have input like “I want to run the ball around 50% of the time this game” or going for it on 4th, or he might tell Chud “I really want to run here on 3rd and 1”, but as far as actually calling the plays on offense, I highly doubt it.
Chud’s decisions are probably partially based on down and distance and a gameplan that the team put in during the week. Those huge laminated cards some coaches carry have categories like short, medium, and long distance plays, play action plays, types of pass routes, trick plays, inside runs, outside runs, and plays by package. Each coach’s is probably different. Think like a madden playcalling screen, especially the new one where you have plays separated by type, formation, or “ask madden” where he gameplans for you.
The team will have an enormous playbook, but probably focus a week of practice on a set amount of plays that are “installed” for the week, which are highlighted on the card. Players should know all of the plays, but in reality they will probably only have the “installed” plays really clearly in their minds. From what the coaches were saying in the offseason, they wanted to “install” less plays this year, and focus on executing and knowing those plays 110%. I think part of this might be why we don’t see more halftime adjustments; there isn’t enough “installed” for the week and we have nothing to adjust to.
Is that more of what you are looking for?
by rufio on
Nov 15, 2008 3:11 PM EST
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I think Chud uses the “Ask Madden” section too much.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Nov 15, 2008 4:20 PM EST
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I’m still trying to figure out how to do an unbalanced line in the game. Or the flash package.
by rufio on
Nov 16, 2008 1:24 AM EST
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Can the Players Adjust?
If the Browns are going to start rotating players on defense more, then I hope they are all paying attention. I’d hate to see the Bills moving sown the field because the Browns keep getting flagged for having to many players on the field or because someone forgot to go in and the D is sitting out there with ten guys. I’m not sure anyone on the sidelines would notice.
I’m sure they go over those things in practice, but then they also go over things like pass coverage and stopping the run, and we’ve all seen how that turned out.
On a different note, Quinn is going to get his first NFL start in hostile territory. It’ll be interesting to see how well he handles that.
by JustBob on
Nov 15, 2008 12:36 PM EST
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I believe McGinest noticed that we didn’t have enough guys on the field either against Baltimore or Denver, and ran right at the QB while calling a timeout to make sure the officials knew.
Stuff like that happens, but our team will need to be on high alert to keep penalties in the “annoying, but livable” range and out of the “infuriatingly killing our team” range.
by rufio on
Nov 15, 2008 3:12 PM EST
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Also, this is Quinn’s second NFL start.
by rufio on
Nov 15, 2008 3:13 PM EST
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I think he means first road start
by cleveland teamer on
Nov 17, 2008 12:33 PM EST
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To be fair, I think when Crennel is talking about Wimbley he is talking about his motor. Motor, in my mind, is not Wimbley’s problem; no one questions his physical effort play in and play out. He has, as you joke, consistently been using the same move forever.
He actually probably has improved as an all-around LB, its just that other teams know what he does now, and the fact that he always goes wide-left won’t get him sacks like it did his first year.
Is he where he needs to be? Hell no.
Wimbley needs an inside finesse move, and to quit being afraid to be physical. He would really surprise an OT by just bull-rushing him and catching him on his heels. Add that with a rip to the inside and Wimbley would be really dangerous. Wimbley’s motor, however, from what I have seen is unquestionable.
by rufio on
Nov 15, 2008 3:17 PM EST
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