Cleveland Browns vs. Buffalo Bills - Official Game Thread
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 17, 2008 6:36 PM EST
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| CLEVELAND BROWNS (3-6) | WEEK11 | BUFFALO BILLS (5-4) | |||
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| Date: | November 17, 2008 | Location: | Orchard Park, NY |
| Time: | 8:30 p.m. ET |
Stadium: | Ralph Wilson Stadium |
| TV: | ESPN (Local FOX) |
Favorite: | Bills by 5 |
| Radio: | WMMS, 100.7 FM | Over/Under: | 40 |
| SBN Coverage: | Buffalo Rumblings |
Announcers |
Horrible MNF Trio |
I had a much nicer introduction and preview written up for this game, but apparently my clicking of the save button didn't work properly, because it was gone when I came back to it.
After losing twice within a span of five days when having multiple-possession leads in the second half of games, the Cleveland Browns have had awhile to regroup. In essence, it ends up being a second bye week for the team. If our record had been better than 3-6, that might have meant something. Instead, we're just hoping that Brady Quinn will play well again and lead the Browns to victory. Let's get right into this week's preview with the overall team statistics thus far...
OFFENSE
| Category | Browns | Bills |
| Points Scored | 19.1 (25th) | 29.3 (21st) |
| Passing | 180.4 (27th) | 213.8 (13th) |
| Rushing | 101.0 (22nd) | 90.0 (28th) |
| Total Offense (yards) | 281.4 (27th) | 303.8 (24th) |
DEFENSE
| Category | Browns | Bills |
| Points Scored | 21.5 (15th) | 21.0 (13th) |
| Passing | 226.9 (22nd) | 205.3 (14th) |
| Rushing | 145.2 (27th) | 103.9 (13th) |
| Total Defense (yards) | 372.1 (26th) | 309.2 (13th) |
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Quarterback
The Bills have not seen an A+ performance out of Trent Edwards this year. The former third-round draft pick started off the season managing games well, but he has not been very effective the past three weeks. During that stretch, Edwards has thrown 2 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. Brady Quinn definitely has more upside overall, but this will be his first road start of the season. To be fair, I can't rank him as a superstar just yet. |
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Running Back
One of the bigger disappointments this season at the running back positions has to be Marshawn Lynch. His season has been very similar to that of Jamal Lewis' -- several "ok" games, but he has not reached the 100-yard mark or thrived against division opponents. When the Bills needed him most the past two weeks against the Jets and Patriots, he has combined for 62 yards on 23 carries on the ground. The Browns need to work in Jerome Harrison on a more consistent basis; let's see if Romeo Crennel holds true to his word. |
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Receiver
This was supposed to be a breakout season for WR Lee Evans, and he has quietly posted some fair statistics, still averaging an astounding 18.9 yards per catch this season. Maybe I'm off on this, but while fans around the league know that Braylon Edwards is having a down season, they'd probably project that his stats are still higher than Evans. That is not the case. Beyond Evans though, the Bills have the same problem they've had the past several years: there aren't any go-to-guys beyond him. Quinn established a solid relationship with Kellen Winslow and Donte Stallworth last week, and has an extra week of practice under his belt in working with them. |
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Offensive Line
The news has been better for left guard Eric Steinbach, although there isn't a definite word on his status tonight. The Bills improved their offensive line in the offseason and their ranking might have been higher had they not been part of a three game losing streak. Both teams are pretty even at blocking the run, but the Browns excel when it comes to protecting the passer. |
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Defensive Line Corey Williams' shoulder has him listed as questionable again. Sooner or later, I'm definitely due on an article about how Williams has been a complete bust thus far. The Bills will still be without outstanding pass rusher Aaron Schobel on Monday Night, a big break for Brady Quinn. For the second week in a row, Quinn shouldn't feel the pressure too much. |
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Linebacker
Big change at the linebacker position this week: Shantee Orr is going to see some playing time. With that said, it only makes sense that rookie fourth-rounder Beau Bell will probably be inactive again. For the Bills, Kawika Mitchell and Paul Posluszny are two players I'd like the Browns to get their hands on, if we had the appropriate defensive system. The Bills aren't particularly lights out at linebacker, but they are a healthier and better-tackling unit that Denver was. |
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Secondary
Cleveland's secondary has taken major steps backwards the past two weeks, but they are ones that we can recover from. Really, we've only been burned late in games -- hopefully Mel Tucker, being a defensive backs specialist, will find a better rotation by throwing Travis Daniels and Mike Adams into the mix more often. |
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Special Teams
Joshua Cribbs is back to the point where he can return a kick the distance every time he touches the ball. The Bills have a nearly equally dangerous returner in Roscoe Parrish, but like Cribbs earlier this season, Parrish is sort of in a "dry" spell period. Phil Dawson had two tremendous kicks in a snow bowl last season -- I think he'll be ready for some chilly weather in Buffalo. |
FINAL PREDICTION: Cleveland Browns 20, Buffalo Bills 17.
The kiss of death again, right? Had the Bills not looked so bad the past three weeks, I would've taken the Bills in this matchup. On the season though, Cleveland has never really played horrible football after the first three weeks. We beat a Jacksonville team on the road when they were on the same exact type of slump that Buffalo is on right now.
Quinn played a game last week, looking like he was managing a game plan. This week, he'll mentally be ready to score quicker and execute more often down the field in case he needs to keep up the scoring in a shootout.
This is the official gameday topic for the Cleveland Browns in Week 11 as they battle the Buffalo Bills on Monday Night Football. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!
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How good does BQ need to be for you to give him the edge over Trent Edwards? Sure, our secondary will make him look like Tom Brady, but that’s not a reflection on BQ.
I think the problem is the mix of who I think is better and who I am ranking as better.
If someone said “Quinn vs. Edwards”, I would say “Give me Quinn”.
But, then if someone said, “in this game, how could you rank Quinn better than Edwards when it’s only his second career start, and his first on the road?” Then I’d say what I said — out of fairness, I’ll consider them even for now.
Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 17, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
And, with two or three more consistent starts, maybe I’ll be able to rank Quinn ahead of Ryan Fitzpatrick come Week 16 ;) Only kidding; but if I like what I see the next few weeks, he’ll have a strong chance to being given the edge against a team like the Eagles or even the Titans.
Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 17, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
One note guys: I won’t get to start watching the game until around 10:00-10:30, so I’ll be catching it on tape delay and therefore probably won’t be able to comment during the game. I could pop on the radio when the game starts, but I’d rather catch the game later on and act like I’m seeing it live.
So, have fun discussing the game on this chilly Monday night.
Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.
i hesitate to say this here, b/c dick jauron is clearly trolling, ready to pounce on the great ideas that we post here…
don’t we take a shot downfield to edwards on the first or second play? quinn’s longest throw last week was 13 yards? doesn’t one of the first two plays have to be a double move with edwards flying past the secondary for a long completion?
I understand what you’re thinking, but I don’t think it’s as necessary as it was in the past. Quinn was very effective last week on short throws; it might be better to continue with that comfort zone again and tame the crowd. Then, still early but a little later in the game, I’d give Edwards a crack at a deep ball.
Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 17, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
i feel like the earlier we take a shot downfield the better. then that intermediate game loosens up, and the more confidence brady can amass. with some concern about edwards and streaking deep, winslow becomes even more effective.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 17, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you for “Announcers: Horrible MNF Trio.” If they are sycranized, you’re better off listening to local radio stations and muting the MNF idiots. Listening to these twerps babel on about nothing is unbearable at points.
Bill Cowher = victory
kornheiser is a total train wreck, but i actually like jaworski. i find his analysis of x’s and o’s to be pretty interesting. i’m a tirico fan, too. total pro…except when he has to shill for his ESPN pimps.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 17, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
I also like Jaws, he can break down the game really well. Kornheiser is terrible in the booth, though. If ESPN really cared about showing a football game instead of making it “entertainment” then they would let him go. But they try to make a show out of everything so we’re stuck with him. I actually like him very much on PTI but this isn’t his thing.
On the bright side, at least they’ve seem to cut down on the in-booth interviews this year. Those were always unbearable.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Gameday Inactives
This should be my last post before the game, then I’m off.
Cleveland Browns
LB Beau Bell, CB Gerard Lawson, SS Hamza Abdullah, QB Ken Dorsey, FB Lawrence Vickers, TE Martin Rucker, OG Scott Young, WR Steve Sanders
Buffalo Bills
DL Aaron Schobel, OT Demetrius Bell, QB Gibran Hamdan, OG Jason Whittle, DL John McCargo, WR Josh Reed, WR Justin Jenkins, RB Xavier Omon
Comments: No surprises for Cleveland; good to see Steinbach and Williams dressed up. As expected, no set playing time for Beau Bell.
Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.
Monday Night Version 2.
I’m just hoping for it to resemble the first time. I’ve had a nice week and a half of detox from our “Week from Hell: 2008.”
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:17 PM EST reply actions
Monday night against a New York-based team in red, white, and blue. Looks pretty similar to me!
by JulioBernazard on Nov 17, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hey. We’re 3-6. Why change a good thing.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
The thought of this makes me giggle.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
i think it unlikely that Rogers would get press coverage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Cornerback, tastes like chicken, yum.
by Estonianzulu on Nov 17, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if i told you the Browns would have 2 picks, both by LBs, in the first 5 minutes, how many Christmas Ales would you say I’ve had…. 5, 6?
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
Zero. That sounds like a straight tequila type of hallucination.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
When did we trade DA to the Bills?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can I just say:
BQ going without sleeves and putting his shoulder down on that hit? I LOVE IT.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:52 PM EST reply actions
OH COME ON.
THIS IS GETTING FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:53 PM EST reply actions
Allow me to rephrase:
This is already well beyond ridiculous.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I always knew you were a cover for ChrisPo.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
never mind….time out
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Please allow me a McNabb moment: there are :30 timeouts in the NFL?
by JulioBernazard on Nov 17, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the first one was.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
So who here had the Browns defense playing for their fantasy team today? Any hands?
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Quinn is definately NOT living up to the hype so far.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not getting much help by the line or Braylon either.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh…that’s an inside joke between me and fwembt.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
We all knew that. Sheesh. Way to ruin our fun.
Right?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
it’s second down – it must be Jamal Lewis up the middle.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m seriously considering betting on it in the future.
by JulioBernazard on Nov 17, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
What about the clip where he just decides not to go after the runner? (Thankfully, not shown just then.)
by JulioBernazard on Nov 17, 2008 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t really sure that was anything. So, I’ll take it.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
It’s first down. It must be Jamal Lewis up the middle.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 9:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We’ve been setting up the second down play action for….oh, nine weeks.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
legitimate lol
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
If someone asks you if you’re a God,
You say YES!
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hey. I like this broken record: completion up the field for a first down!
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions
You havent been watching closely: that’s every first and second down, regardless of field position.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
It’s first down, It must be a handoff to Cribbs for a touchdown.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My one troubling, “I know I’m a Browns fan when” thought…
I’ve been this happy the past two games…and then…
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions
One? You’d think by now that would a constant nag in the back of your head.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Side thought: Is there anyone out there who is surprised with Cuban being charged with insider trading?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:37 PM EST reply actions
I heard it’s for 3/4 million. Can’t Cuban just pay that back with interest like I would give someone a quarter?
"...leading the league in most offensive categories. Including nose hairs."
by sarcasmdave on Nov 17, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I would have been happy waiting until the second half.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Be honest: have you ever said the phrase “since I am an optimist” before now?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
About any Cleveland team?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
This is my point. I haven’t been optimistic about Cleveland sports since I first saw Jordan put up 50 points in the playoffs against the Cavs in the early 90s.
Really, it’s a good thing that is my first pro sports game I saw in person, otherwise I’d think that we were supposed to, you know, win stuff.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we quit. I just think we suck.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 9:49 PM EST reply actions
exactly
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
HOW DO WE NOT TACKLE HIM WHEN HE’S ON THE GROUND!!!
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
Huh?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Randy Lerner is a werewolf. Didn’t you know that?
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
My new slogan.. Were is Randy?? We need the owner to step in and do something..
kinda like the 80’s were we had “jump Art”.. we need a slogan to rally around…
The only way Randy can help this team right now is if he can tackle or rush the QB.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Your new slogan would be more effective if the first word were spelled correctly. It’s “Where.”
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
It’s better than “Wear is Randy”
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
For halftime viewing, Josh’s Cribbs is on FSN Ohio right now. Good show.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
I’m not okay with him not being in there at halftime and instead show-boating it up on television.
That guy is just all about himself. No effort on the field. This is exactly what Jamal was talking about.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
He’s riding on a zamboni right now. Good times.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
But is he going to the drive-thru for some fast food?
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
So have you been saving that link for two years, waiting for just the right time to use it?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Nope – just remembered the incident and googled it a few minutes ago.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
So I decided to join a different Cleveland team’s game thread for tonight. I haven’t perused this one yet but I hope it’s mostly talk of beer.
Steel Nick
There has been a mention of Christmas Ale.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I just started a Blue Moon for you.
And yes, I like fruit in my beer sometimes. Deal with it.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
If our defense plays like it did last week in the second half, there will be a lot of drinking tonight.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
We got the first down. The refs took it away. I didn’t see any replay, so I refuse to believe it was a legitimate call.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Cause Winslow is so terrible that he never gets open on his own.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
He just had a huge catch called back on a bullshit interference call.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hm…You seem to be missing the point.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon MacDonald wants his job back! He’s making plays today.
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The problem is that he’s just not a cover corner. He plays better in pure zone.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
If Anderson is having the game Quinn is having now (6-16, 79 yards) are we not rioting in the streets?
There’s more to football than stats. You can tell things about the QB by watching the game, the decisions he makes.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
My main point is that the general clamor was for Anderson to be replaced because he completed less than 50% of his passes. Don’t get me wrong, I want Quinn to succeed but the double standard is absurd. 7-18 for 84 yards (now) isn’t going to get it done, meaningless stat or not.
But this is less than three quarters of one game. DA has been doing it all year long. You can’t make that comparison. Nobody was calling for Quinn to replace DA in the first game of the season.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not the point. You’re talking about a double standard, so you can’t go back and say ‘well, someone is always complaining’.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
The clamor for DA was not only because of his terrible pass percentage, It was also about how badly he was throwing the >50% that he missed. I think DA has been scapegoated somewhat, but trying to compare Quinn in his 7th quarter of NFL football with DA with over a year under his belt is pretty disingenuous.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not what I am doing. I’m just saying that, in one game, what we accept from certain players is greatly different from what we accept from others. Anderson plays this exact same game and it is evidence he has to go, Quinn plays it and we just need to give him more time.
Once again, THIS IS HIS SECOND START!! Nobody was saying that in DA’s second start.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
May I also point out here that we are actually winning this game at this point?
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Please see: 11/02/08 and 11/06/08.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, disregard the second one.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was J.Wright. Cribbs handed it off.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig third down conversion.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:35 PM EST reply actions
Well okay, I’m wrong. I like it when Dawson proves me wrong.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think we can officially say this is getting into Marte territory.
Except…I actually think J.Harrison is good. Unlike the other guy.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t Wright always the third down back?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to say this:
I really do respect Buffalo and Buffalo fans. They’ve put up with a lot and seem to always keep in pretty good spirits and actually KNOW football. I give the city, the team, and the fans a lot of respect. I just can’t hate Buffalo. Ever.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:43 PM EST reply actions
Could someone, anyone, TACKLE! PLEASE!
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Rhetorical question.
There isn’t even anybody that knows how to make a tackle at all.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Listen, you two are being far too common sensical here. Obviously Rogers and Cribbs are not human.
Therefore, they don’t count.
You guys have to THINK before you hit the post button. Man.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, the only reason why I think Savage should keep his job was the Rogers trade. Seriously, the greatest trade ever.
Watch this video of his Detroit TD last year.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
My gawd this is awful. How bad would we be losing if we didn’t get 4 TO’s?
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True. And it’s not like the turnovers were accidents — our defense made some nice plays.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
direct link doesn’t work. Just copy and paste the whole thing into your browsers children.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm… I did. Just youtube search shaun rogers touchdown.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Nice job by Edwards fighting for the first down. He’s played well since that first drop.
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JERCOME HARIEWARKJFKADSHFKLSAJf;
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by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:58 PM EST reply actions
ChrisPo will literally have a heart attack.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply actions
Lightning!
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope. (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)
by portland, oregon on Nov 17, 2008 11:00 PM EST reply actions
Maybe they should give that Jerome guy the ball more.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
. . . . and the duck comes down.
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope. (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)
by portland, oregon on Nov 17, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply actions
And he gets the ball!
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. He clearly shoved him after he stepped out, and he shoved him directly out.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
He had just stepped out of bounds. You would be complaining if it was called on the Browns.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Even after he has died.
This is a true story.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fwembt – that is the throw that DA cannot make.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
how?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Just kick the ball out of bounds. After the 40
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
was that a crummy route by BE? Was he supposed to settle in or continue the cross? Looked like a little of both.
Not to belabor the obvious but . . . we should be up by 2 to 3 TD by now
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope. (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)
by portland, oregon on Nov 17, 2008 11:16 PM EST reply actions
Let me put it this way, Trent Edwards is no Jay Cutler. I actually like our defensive schemes, the tackling has been terrible sometimes but in reality our D has only given up 13 points so far.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
He said “defense”
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Kick return for 7. Defense has only given up 7.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
For always proving me wrong that is. I am bitter.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
He was trying to throw it away and his arm was hit. Not a bad throw.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps it’s just me looking for the dagger, but I disagree with the MNF team on this. I think it’s fine to take that chance when everyone, including ALL of us, think that’s going to be a hand-off. I don’t know.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
only because it went right through his hands.
by woodsmeister on Nov 17, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
You know what the sick thing is, we had 2nd and 7. Just run the ball twice. Run clock. Hope for the first down but eat off 2:20 regardless. We’d have been punting at the 3 minute mark.
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
that’s easy to say now.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not as depressing as watching Lynch shed tacklers left and right.
by JulioBernazard on Nov 17, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
yep
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in the worst possible scenario this is pretty ideal. All the clock and all the timeouts.
Steel Nick
And we only need a FG. We’re pretty good at getting those.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 17, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have a crazy theory: Jerome Harrison.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 11:38 PM EST reply actions
But the drive is going to start with a first down…thus the mandatory handoff to Lewis.
by Chief WaDrew on Nov 17, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
How’d he get away from that??!?!?!
Phew…..Breath….
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 11:42 PM EST reply actions
Exactly!!! I thought he was gonna get blasted! I want a replay!
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
ultimately i’m just hoping that it doesn’t come down to that
by Chief WaDrew on Nov 17, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’m breaking out:
"Hero" by Enrique Iglasias
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Inability of the offensive line to block
by Chief WaDrew on Nov 17, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
please God make them miss
please God make them miss
please God make them miss
please God make them miss
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
the proverbial wide right
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope. (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)
by portland, oregon on Nov 17, 2008 11:53 PM EST reply actions
Congrats!
Heck of a game and I like you new QB. He looks sharp and smart – like a guy with a lot of upside.
I should be really happy — but I’m still too stressed out.
We won?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 17, 2008 11:56 PM EST reply actions
I told you, Romeo is ordering pizza for everyone! Extra Cheese! Max Fat Chocolate Ice Cream for dessert!
by gentryholdem on Nov 17, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t know an NFL game could end in a Browns’ win
— Donovan McNabb
"...leading the league in most offensive categories. Including nose hairs."
by sarcasmdave on Nov 17, 2008 11:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
congrats to the Browns...........*from a bills fan*
Well played game.by your folks you guys deserved to win that one……..Im pretty disgusted from watching my team but I dont wanna take anything from your guys…….good luck the rest of the year……maybe you’ll have a shot still at the playoffs because the Bills sure as hell dont deserve it……….
Miss you Kotch......Love you Trent
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 18, 2008 12:09 AM EST reply actions
What I Learned (Again) From This Game
1. Fire Crennel . . . because the defense (his specialty!) stinks
2. Fire Crennel . . . for his refusal to use Jerome Harrison wisely this season
3. Fire Crennel . . . because he doesn’t know how to call plays appropriate to the down
4. Fire Crennel . . . because he doesn’t know how to manage the game clock
5. Fire Crennel . . . because he didn’t go with Quinn until he was forced to
Fire Crennel after this season concludes!
What I Learned, Part 2
6. Fire Crennel . . . because the Browns do not know how to tackle
7. Fire Crennel . . . because he does not know how to motivate and inspire
What I Learned, Part 3
8. Fire Crennel . . . because the 3-4 DOES NOT WORK (at least the way he does it)!
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