If Only They Had Listened Sooner...
Jerome Harrison <3
For those who asked in the gameday thread, they were able to resuscitate me following the run. Isn't it fitting that my hero, Jerome Harrison, has finally broken my curse of predicting Browns football games?
It's not fair to give all the credit to Harrison though. Someone else deserves some love too:
Phil Dawson <3
From 56 yards in a swirling wind? Room to spare. Down the middle. Ball game.
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Whoever made the call to not play Harrison should be fired. :O
by vegasbrown on Nov 18, 2008 2:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jerome and Dawson
Great call on Jerome Harrison. Every Browns fan I have talked to has wondered why Jerome Harrison does not get the ball more. And hell, he only touched it 4 times last night! But he definitely made the most of his carries.
And what can you say about Phil Dawson? I think there is a very good chance that the only All Pro performer on the Browns this year is Dawson. Not that he’ll get it…but he’s the only one who has a chance, unless Josh Cribbs can somehow overtake Leon Washington.
All I can say is that I really hope Harrison starts getting the ball more. How can he not? Honestly, he has been our most consistent offensive performer and been productive every single time he has touched the ball.
by DallasDawgPounder on Nov 18, 2008 8:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised to read after the game that Harrison suffered a hamstring injury after his 20-yard catch, and did not return. Hopefully that doesn’t start limiting his touches (or his ability) again…
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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 18, 2008 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised by reading the same this morning as well. He didn’t get up immediately after that play (if I remember, that was when he was pushed quasi in/out of bounds and literally into the Bills’ bench), but he seemed to be able to get up and trot over to the sideline.
He’s showed a lot the past few weeks. Let us all hope that he’s able to come back on Sunday, or the Sunday after, without any residual effect.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 18, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wouldnt want to see Harrison limited to his touches. What, 4 per game isn’t limited?
by elsandito on Nov 19, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can Josh Cribbs not make the Pro Bowl? He’s the best special teams player in the league, and he’s been doing it long enough that people in the league know it.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 18, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they allow one special teams player and one kick returner. If I’m correct on that, Leon should get the returner role, with Cribbs getting the gunner-type role. Last year, Cribbs got the returner vote.
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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 18, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the game on tivo last night. I rewatched Harrison’s big run. What really sprung him was the crack back block by Cribbs. He took out 3 guys! If you get a chance watch the blocking in slow motion.
by oxforddave on Nov 19, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Rogers should make the pro bowl, period.
by rufio on Nov 18, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definately. I think he will, too, because he’s been getting a lot of publicity this year.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 18, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed Emotions
A win is always goods, especially for a young QB but I was more upset with this win than a lot of other losses. Winning doesn’t excuse the poor tackling that we saw last night. I’ve never seen a professional team so inept at bringing down a ball carrier. Also, that was the worst display of special teams that I’ve ever seen (excluding Phil Dawson). It’s good to get the win, but these issues cannot go unaddressed.
by EvDawg on Nov 18, 2008 8:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sloppy tacking happens in today’s NFL. I hate watching it, but its not like it is solely the Browns who suffer from it.
It was disappointing, but was even more disappointing to me was the lack of swarming to the ball, effort, and fire behindour 3 down linemen. Our DL is actually doing a decent job!
If you are a defensive player and you know guys like Lynch are hard to tackle, and you see your team’s tackles getting broken all night long, why not swarm to the ball? The effort, particularly in the 2nd half, looked horrendous. Even if you aren’t a good tackler or you aren’t the fastest guy or you aren’t the strongest guy, you can make up for at least some of that with hustle, heart, and fire. Our defense isn’t showing it—particularly in the back 7/8.
In today’s NFL you need 2 or 3 guys to be around the ball carrier to make sure you bring him down. We aren’t doing that.
by rufio on Nov 18, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good win
I sure hope Harrison is ok. But to the life of me, 4 touches, that is all the staff can get this guy? There is no reason why this team could not use Harrison in the way Carolina uses Williams and Stewart or how the Giants use Bradshaw/Ward/Jacobs. Am I saying he is as good as these backs, No, however we don’t know cause he is not used. Hey can we see him carry the ball 10 times a game, thats not much to ask.
After the first drop by Braylon, he had a decent game. Brady was good when he time to throw. He did get lucky on a couple of tosses that could of been picks. He stated after the game he could of played better, and he is right. But unless he gets hurt he will finish the season as the starting QB.
I can’t figure out the “D”, played good in the first quarter, then were dominated at the line for the rest of the game. No pressure at all on Edwards, good QB’s would have had a field day. Does this “D” get winded, are they under coached, or they are just not good enough,? And to anwer my question I say all the above.
Special teams last nite were also weak, Bills had great field position for the last 3 quarters.
Overall good win, on the road, at a tough house to play in, 2nd start for our QB, and a great kick by a Pro Bowl kicker.
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by Grockcubs on Nov 18, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Flow in the Coaching Staff
They’re completely out of touch.
They didn’t make the change to Brady until the opportunity for the playoffs was shot. They refuse to give Harrison more carries. And don’t even get me started about the defense.
When a team is about to blow a 13-point lead for the second time in as many weeks, you gotta look at the poor play calling and the ineptitude of the coaching staff.
Chris talked about Crennel’s inability to make changes in accordance with the “flow” of the game or the season. This game— even though it falls into the win column— proves his point.
DP
by oddjobdrummer on Nov 18, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that too often the adjustments are too late.
At least it looked like there was some logic behind the use of Harrison this game. They ran the ball with Lewis a lot in the first 3 quarters, at least enough to effectively get the defenders to believe we were commited to the run and to get used to tackling the bigger, slower Lewis.
Then in the 4th they put Harrison in to provide the spark. Thunder, thunder, thunder, lightning.
At least it appeared someone somewhere thought about the use of Harrison.
by rufio on Nov 18, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn could have had 10 more completions..
..if Winslow and Edwards would fight for a ball once in awhile. Or even just catch the damn thing when they don’t have to fight for it. What a huge waste of time, space, and money those two are.
by robert ethan on Nov 18, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
edwards is a disaster, but you’re dead wrong on winslow. edwards makes tough catches that don’t mean anything, and drops the big ones (3rd down last night, right through his hands). to me, that is the definition of an average receiver.
winslow, though, fights for every single ball that’s thrown in his zip code (see: offensive pass interference calls), and catches virtually everything. the guy is an animal on the field.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 18, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about Winslow, give Braylon some time.
by rufio on Nov 20, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Enough Arm Tackling Already
Okay, what is with the poor tackling all year long with the Browns? I played football in high school and one of the main fundementals of tackling was to break down (get in a low wide stance) and tackle with your shoulders. The Browns D players just fling their arms at the ball carrier hoping they’ll trip him up. What the hell? Learn to tackle. Maybe they should hire my high-school coach to teach them how to tackle. And put them through some conditioning training, seems like they need better endurance.
Also, I agree Harrison should get the ball more.
by Osiris on Nov 18, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Conditioning, absolutely. Our D looks phenomenal in the 1st and horrible in the 4th. It its not physical conditioning, its mental. They wear down.
Tackling in the NFL is horrible these days. Part of the reason is that the game is played so fast by the offense that you just have to get a guy down however you can. They actually teach tackling that isn’t “the fundamental” style because you so rarely get a shot at a guy like that in the NFL. HS guys trying to tackle Pryor, McGuffie, or Devine didn’t exactly get to stack their shoulders and see what they were hitting, they were grabbing anything they could get.
Add that to the fact that roster limits mean coaches don’t like to hit as much in practice to avoid injuries, and you get sloppy NFL-wide tackling.
Don’t get me wrong—ours is worse than more than half the teams out there, and it NEEDS to improve. But it is partly a systemic thing. ESPN the mag had a nice article on this across the NFL recently.
by rufio on Nov 20, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here think that after 11 weeks, we’d be 1-4 at home and 3-2 on the road, and our one win at home would come against the defending Super Bowl champs?
Mind boggling considering how terrible we were on the road last year.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 18, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What was the Strategy?
On the Browns last possession, sitting on the Buffalo 39 with a 1st and 10 and three time outs did anyone else think they should have tried to run the ball on 1st or 2nd down? Maybe even 3rd, given the 3 TO’s?
The Browns got the win in the end, but I keep scratching my head over that series of downs.
Two good things definitely came out of this game besides the nice career stats for Dawson. Edwards started catching again and Harrison got a chance to show the world why he should be on the field more.
by JustBob on Nov 18, 2008 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It reminded me a lot of the Redskins game actually. We quickly moved up the field and then stalled right at the border of Dawson’s range. Luckily it worked this time
by Roger Dorn on Nov 18, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not sure you can say edwards officially started catching again. he grabbed a few, but when he hauls in an important catch, then let’s talk.
let’s just hope winslow is ok. although, i can see a quinn-to-heiden connection developing in winslow’s (potential) absence.
was anyone else pretty uninspired by the routes that our receivers run?
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 18, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards had one drop that might actually count as a drop in the statistics. I’ll take that over how he’s been doing recently.
Steptoe and Cribbs aren’t great route runners. Edwards is actually pretty good, IMO. He also blocks well down the field, and was giving a LOT of effort in that area over the course of the game.
by rufio on Nov 20, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought exactly the same thing on that drive. It was almost like they were conserving time because they expected to stall.
by oxforddave on Nov 19, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell of a game
Though I’d like to one day be able to watch this team with a lead in the 4th without requiring a crash cart be on stand-by.
Now, if they’d only let us play all of our games on Mondays against New York teams…..
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 19, 2008 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think we can officially hail the return of the dominant 2007 joe thomas to the scene after monday’s game, too, no? he was an absolute road-grader in the running game (see his block on harrison’s td), and brady suffered from 0 blind side pass rush.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 19, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He was markedly better on Monday. The only real pass rush that Buffalo had straight up the middle.
by fwembt on Nov 19, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. The two up-the-middle rushes that I stood out most to me had first Wright looking left as Mitchell went by on his right, and later on Lewis looking left as Mitchell went by on his right. But I can’t remember which one gave up the sack.
I really hope the defense improves. Crennel’s statement that Rogers taking on three guys in the middle allowed the Browns to drop more guys into coverage made me throw up a little in my mouth. I thought the point was for him to occupy the middle so that someone else could get to the QB.
by JustBob on Nov 19, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RC appears to be a student of the bend but dont break school of defense. He seems to prefer limiting yardage rather than using resources to apply pressure. And maybe this is the smart way to play when you field minimal talent. RC knows defense.
by elsandito on Nov 19, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m beginning to think that romeo’s “defensive genius” lay in his mastering the phrase “whatever you say, bill” while working with parcells and belichick…
in all seriousness, with our sh*tty secondary and (away from rogers) our complete inability to get anyone close to the quarterback, i’m beginning to think that dropping more people into coverage as opposed to rushing the passer is the smart way to go.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 19, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dropping people in coverage worked this game because we got in Trent Edwards’ head and we got in early. He couldn’t do a damn thing and wasn’t about to risk a 4th INT by trying to force it in to coverage. We made him sit in that pocket and if we were giving him anything downfield, it was in to a tight window: we were making him do what he didn’t want to do. THAT’s the key to good defense in the NFL—being flexible enough to make the opposing team go to their 2nd or 3rd option, regardless of what that is.
If we could have dropped a lot of people in coverage AND gotten someone on Lynch, too…that would have been awesome.
by rufio on Nov 20, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the announcers said something about mitchell timing brady’s cadence on his unfettered rushes, but i totally disagreed. the line/rb’s just completely whiffed on him at least 3 times.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 19, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t let a guy time your snap like that. We did whiff on him, but he was doing a killer job of timing up that A-gap blitz. Brady could have tricked him into being offsides and that would have scared him away later. He is new to starting and has a lot to think about, but that is the type of thing I’d like to see him do once he settles in to a rhythm.
by rufio on Nov 20, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell and Stroud are two of the best in the NFL at getting to the QB from their positions. Fraley isn’t exactly the most agile guy, either. The phrase “big ol bag hangin’ over his belt” comes to mind.
Still, for seemingly being our dedicated pass blocking back, Wright looked pretty bad on that play.
by rufio on Nov 20, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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