Houston Texans vs. Cleveland Browns - Official Game Thread
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 12:21 PM EST
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| HOUSTON TEXANS (3-7) | WEEK 12 | CLEVELAND BROWNS (4-6) | |||
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| Date: | November 23, 2008 | Location: | Cleveland, OH |
| Time: | 1:00 p.m. ET |
Stadium: | Cleveland Browns Stadium |
| TV: | CBS |
Favorite: | Browns by 3 |
| Radio: | WMMS, 100.7 FM | Over/Under: | 50 |
| SBN Coverage: | Battle Red Blog | Announcers |
Kevin Harlan & Rich Gannon |
When a fellow SB Nation writer actually picks the Cleveland Browns to win, you know you're in good shape. Over at Battle Red Blog, our Houston Texans affiliate, Tim has picked the Browns to come away victorious, 30-24. The over/under is high for this game -- at 50 -- because both teams have major issues in the secondary. Besides hoping for a Browns win this week though, there are several other games we'll want to keep our eyes on in terms of playoff potential. Our division hopes are gone, but hope still remains for a wildcard, believe it or not. Without further adieu, here is a "best-case scenario" for Cleveland today:
- Philadelphia vs. Baltimore: The Ravens are coming off a big loss against the New York Giants. I projected them to be swept by the NFC East during the second half of the season, and I'll bank on that trend continuing today. The Eagles were embarrassed last week by finishing in a tie against the Bengals, but they still know how to get after the quarterback. Joe Flacco will be rattled at the right time to allow the Eagles' defense to capitalize.
- New England vs. Miami: We need...the Patriots to win this game. Why? Chances are, one of these two teams are going to take one of the wildcard spots. If Miami wins, I think the Patriots have enough experience to win the rest of the season, causing both wildcard spots to come out of the AFC East. But, if the Patriots take care of business today, I think Miami will fade off a little -- enough for the Browns to at least have a shot at catching them.
- Indianapolis vs. San Diego: This is a real important game. We've already picked up wins against wildcard hopefuls in Jacksonville and Buffalo. The Colts are in a whole different league compared to those teams, but if the Colts lose to San Diego and we defeat Houston, we would control our own destiny in terms of owning a tiebreaker over them. One thing to note is that the Chargers have been a very good home team the past couple of seasons. I'm picking the Colts to win, but it's clear we need to cheer for San Diego.
Now that we know what else we need to pay attention to around the league, let's see what the Browns need to do against the Texans, starting off this week's preview with the overall team statistics thus far...
OFFENSE
| Category | Texans | Browns |
| Points Scored | 23.6 (11th) | 20.1 (25th) |
| Passing | 255.8 (5th) | 180.0 (27th) |
| Rushing | 114.3 (15th) | 107.0 (22nd) |
| Total Offense (yards) | 370.1 (5th) | 287.0 (27th) |
DEFENSE
| Category | Texans | Browns |
| Points Scored | 28.7 (30th) | 22.1 (15th) |
| Passing | 210.8 (17th) | 219.0 (19th) |
| Rushing | 132.5 (24th) | 149.3 (28th) |
| Total Defense (yards) | 343.3 (22nd) | 368.3 (26th) |
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Quarterback
Sage Rosenfels can provide that spark when his team is behind, but as a starting quarterback, he is way too mistake prone. Rosenfels last played against the Browns in relief back in 2005 -- a game in which he was 5-of-10 for 14 yards and 2 interceptions. I'll pass on him and take Brady Quinn in a second. Quinn won his first career game last week against the Bills on the road, but he suffered a fracture on the tip of his index finger. The odds are suddenly higher for Derek Anderson to play in this week's game, but that shouldn't be a negative in terms of our chances of winning. |
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Running Back
This game will be a great gauge of Lewis' progress since last year (or lack thereof). Last year, Lewis ran all over the Texans at home for 139 yards and a touchdown. With Jerome Harrison and Jason Wright banged up after Monday's game against the Bills, Lewis' workload might reach the 20-carry mark for the first time in several weeks. Houston fans have been very pleased with rookie running back Steve Slaton, who is currently averaging 5.1 yards per carry on the year. Veteran Ahman Green has also returned the past few weeks in limited action and ran the ball successfully. The Browns will need to bring the same type of closing defense they had against the Jaguars earlier this season to have any shot at stopping Houston's ground game. |
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Receiver
Technically, both receiving groups should have field days today. On the Texans' side, Andre Johnson's production has dropped tremendously since Rosenfels took over for Matt Schaub. Johnson has only topped 66 yards in his past three games, with only one touchdown during that stretch. Last year, the Browns -- Brandon McDonald in particular -- held Johnson to 3 catches for 37 yards. The Texans aren't all about Johnson though, as receiver Kevin Walter and tight end Owen Daniels present much more of a threat than anybody the Bills had on their roster last week. Braylon Edwards, despite dropping a few passes last week, showed some solid chemistry with Brady Quinn and will be looking for redemption again this week. Kellen Winslow will play with a sprained shoulder. |
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Offensive Line
Whether it was Brady Quinn's fault, the running backs' fault, or Hank Fraley's fault, something needs to change this week to ensure that Quinn doesn't see free blitzers right up the middle several times. He cannot risk another "hit" on his finger. What was impressive last week was the offensive line's ability to clear out for Jerome Harrison's touchdown run. The Texans' offensive line has come a long way since the horrific days of David Carr being the most-sacked quarterback in the league. Still, the Browns have the favorable advantage of having Shaun Rogers creating pressure in the face of an erratic quarterback. |
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Defensive Line It'll be another great matchup in Part II of Joe Thomas vs. Mario Williams. Williams is a better player this year than he was last year, but the part that will make him more dangerous is when the Texans line him up at other positions. The Texans will also see the return of second-year defensive lineman Amobi Okoye. Although he hasn't put up productive statistics, he helps the Texans' interior defense up front. The Browns will be without Shaun Smith this week, again limiting our depth. Maybe we'll get a further look at rookie Ahtyba Rubin, who had a decent game last week against Buffalo. |
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Linebacker
We'll say hello again to former Browns linebacker Kevin Bentley today. I don't really know if I'd take him over any of the guys we have now, but I don't imagine him having any special impact on the outcome of today's game. That might be a different story of linebacker DeMeco Ryans, who has started playing up to par again after being hampered by an ankle injury earlier this season. Chaun Thompson, mostly a special teams player, also plays for the Texans. The past several weeks, I've been a little more impressed by the effort that veteran Willie McGinest has been giving (though he is still having a difficult time, like the rest of our defense, at "finishing" a play). One interesting thing about today's game: Beau Bell is ACTIVE. Does that mean anything? We shall see... |
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Secondary
Texans fans have not been pleased with the performance of their secondary. For the Browns, Eric Wright has done a tremendous job most of the season -- he's not making as many "plays" over the past several weeks, but he has been keeping his man's receptions to a minimum. |
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Special Teams
Andre Davis hasn't presented many problems for opposing teams on kick returns this year. With that said, the Browns will need to watch out for Texans punt returner Jacoby Jones. He has two punt returns for touchdowns this season. Texans kicker Kris Brown is also 14-of-14 on field goals this year, including 5-of-5 on kicks between 40-49 yards. Phil Dawson has been as automatic as you can get as of late, especially on deep kicks from beyond 50 yards. Both teams have high explosiveness on special teams -- it'll be an interesting to see how much of an impact that has on today's game |
FINAL PREDICTION: Cleveland Browns 34, Houston Texans 21.
We had the Ravens in position for this type of win at home. We had the Broncos in position for his type of win at home. This week, we'll have the Texans in position for this type of win, and hold on. Houston has been a horrible road team -- they haven't won on the road in over a year now.
This is the official gameday topic for the Cleveland Browns in Week 12 as they take on the Houston Texans. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!
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Gameday Inactive
Cleveland Browns: SS Hamza Abdullah, QB Ken Dorsey, LB Kris Griffin, TE Martin Rucker, OG Scott Young, DL Shaun Smith, WR Steve Sanders, CB Travis Daniels
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Houston Texans: FB Cecil Sapp, DL Frank Okam, OG Kasey Studdard, LB Kevis Coley, TE Mark Bruener, QB Matt Schaub, OL Rashad Butler, FS Will Demps
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Commets: No surprises for Houston, but Cleveland’s are noteworthy. Good news that Jerome Harrison and Jason Wright are both active — as are Shaun Rogers and Sean Jones. Here’s another huge one: Lawrence VICKERS is active, something that could help Jamal Lewis on the ground.
Finally, as mentioned in my preview, rookie linebacker Beau Bell is active. He’ll probably only be in on special teams, but we shall see…also, it’s worth noting that because Bell is active, Kris Griffin is not.
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No Travis Daniels? That has to be surprising, right?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not really, since we heard during the week that McDonald would basically reclaim his spot. Funny, but not surprising to me.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I figured he’d be our nickelback then. Isn’t he better than Cousins?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Ken Dorsey
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Pok’y-mon, you are a TRUE fan, if you’re still concerned with playoff scenarios. I applaud you.
After last season’s final game, I can’t ever root for Indy.
by JulioBernazard on Nov 23, 2008 12:53 PM EST reply actions
Opps, I made a typo…I meant “we need to cheer for San Diego”. (will change now)
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
You spelled boys wrong.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I’ve got it on TV.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I assume you live in the Chicago area.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad that the Bengals are so bad that they’ve stopped showing them when they conflict with Browns games here in Columbus .
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve always wondered which team got more play in Columbus
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
From what I’ve been told (I"ve only lived here a few years) it was always the Browns, but when the Bengals got better a few years ago they started playing them more.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Early D is worrisome
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Yep, trying not to give up the big plays (BBDB)
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Cant bend much farther
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
more like this years AJ Feely
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
take him out of the spread
and he sucks. he was definitely third string for a reason
im not impressed with your performance
FUCK. We cant cover Kevin Walter?
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I don’t think the coverage was that bad. He made a nice catch, and the throw was away from the DB.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve only got radio, so Icant argue. But he had like three big catches on that drive
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the first two were bad coverage. He was wide open on those.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well. They sure didn’t look like a 3-7 team on that drive.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 1:15 PM EST reply actions
The 3-7 part comes in the fourth quarter, when Rosenfels leaps as high as he can in the air with the lead and the football in his hands.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sad thing is…you’re absolutely correct.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
“Bend but Dont Break” got bent over, all right
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NICE! I award you a cookie
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks — if only there were quality teams playing, we’d be set!
by JulioBernazard on Nov 23, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
The running chat on the right side is annoying, but I like the vid quality.
by JulioBernazard on Nov 23, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Jets 7, Titans 0.
Favre’s first drive: 7-of-7, 72 yards, 1 touchdown.
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So he threw for his age on that drive?
Impressive.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ba-ZING
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Five wide, 1st-and-20, dump off to Winslow which would’ve gotten 2-3 yards max? Boo that play.
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Spot on.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
just what i was thinking.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
what, you dont like the Davis “Wait three yards to tackle him” Method?
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
If he and McGinest were playing going forward, Slaton would have only had one run for gain on this drive.
I don’t know if that is coaching, age, or lack of talent, but it needs to stop if we want to get the ball back at all in this game.
Cool…we’ve worked on tackling in exchange for larger cushions in pass coverage.
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We’ve got another thriller in the Philly game this week.
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0-0 score end of first quarter with minimal offense, according to the box score.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Insert cliche about “any given sunday” or “that’s why they play the game” or “parity” or “the Browns suck” here.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
This is the first time this year fans living in Cleveland can’t see a Cowboys game (that isn’t on MNF). I don’t think many of us will complain. ;)
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I would really like to see them lose, especially to my (second love) 49ers.
Who do you guys have on TV?
1:00, only Browns/Texans.
4:00, only Cardinals/Giants.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Its on here in SoCal. The affiliates here love the fucking cowgirls
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Side note: who else is pumped for 24: Redemption tonight?
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Yep, I taped Grey’s Anatomy the other day (I never watch that show, and I did not watch it either) just to fast forward through it later on to find the LOST commercial. It wasn’t too different than the general ones they’ve been airing.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of motions in our offensive sets today.
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“We haven’t seen much of Jamal Lewis since that fumble.”
Umm…wasn’t that just three plays ago?
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Harrison getting the load on this drive with Jamal in short yardage. interesting…
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Oh hi running game. Good to see you again.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions
Totally shoulda been a flag
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Quinn didn’t use the snap count that time. He has to recognize when someone starts creeping up like that. You can’t snap the ball when someone has momentum coming at you through a gap. You have to make him stop and then start again on the snap. That1/2 second is the difference between the play we saw and a completion to K2. Hadnot can also redirect inside (because he should be blocking the inside-most guy on this play) if he has that split second to adjust.
Something for Brady to work on, for sure.
Free blitzing linebackers, but all the routes were set up a tad too long.
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Better than a kick to the nuts.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
ive never been to cleveland
but am planning an MLB oriented road trip. even though im a browns fan, im an astros fan for baseball, but most of the trip is in the northeast
is the indian’s stadium worth visiting if its a little out of the way? is it in the middle of the ghetto? isnt it right next to the browns stadium?
im not impressed with your performance
the Jake i sweet. Well worth a trip
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Er… The Prog. But yes, it’s a great facility, and right downtown.
by JulioBernazard on Nov 23, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Still the Jake to me.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
It was ALWAYS be the Jake.
And Gund.
Nothing else.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
It’s right downtown, next to the Cavs arena. Very nice stadium, you should definately check it out.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
One of the best places to watch baseball in the country. And I mean it. Really easy to get to, and a pretty beautiful stadium/view all things considered.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Warning: there are no hills in CF, or trains in the ballpark. But I think you’ll still dig it.
by JulioBernazard on Nov 23, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
lol minute made effin rocks
although honestly, ive never been to minute maid either, my teams seem to have no relation to my actual location except for the Magic in the NBA.
im not impressed with your performance
Nice job Andra Davis…engage a blocker when there isn’t any help behind you.
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um….sooooo how far do you guys think the texans are gonna go in the playoffs because i think that if today’s game is any indication, they should win every game by 43839794201 points
They’re not that good, our defense just sucks.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god…one of Wimbley’s first good looking sacks this year.
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Law of Averages
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, the got in to field goal range. BLOCKED!!!!
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Shaun Rogers is AWESOME!!!!
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously…Shaun Rogers 2012. Forget that other guy.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply actions
shaun rogers will be the first
black president… with a mohawk!
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I guess we’re being serious today.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, how bad would this team be without Shaun Rogers?
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How many times are you going to use that joke?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Throw was behind Braylon, but he should have caught that.
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Dawson is automatic
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Only if Shaun Rogers can be Viceroy of the United States.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I eat Papa Johns anytime I’m watching here at home. Real bad, and old, habit.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
im a college student
papa johns is WAY too expensive
$5 hot n ready FTW
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Little Ceasars?
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
No way man. That’s why I started buying it in college — $5 for a large. Student discount the local shop ran.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
What I am working on at halftime:
1. Gap control/attacking downhill on the run
2. Covering a man and not an empty area in zone coverage
3. Timing the snap count vs blitzes
Are you going to go out in the yard and do this? Because if so…I need you to record that for posterity (and to send to Romeo)
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
im feelin a pick 6
on a side note, i said in 05 or was it 06….
that the browns shouldve taken Demeco Ryans in the first round
im not impressed with your performance
i dont remember
but i know Demeco was the first pick of the second round
im an alabama fan so i knew how good he was first hand
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Shaun Rogers does not break the rules. He makes them.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions
I get nervous everytime we go to nickel and Cousin comes in
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um…why exactly is sage rosenfels joe montana? is it because our cornerbacks are essentially stephen hawking mobility wise
That’s insulting.
To Stephen Hawking.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
They make me happy to be from Cleveland.
Actually I lied. It’s because I hate the Pistons with ever fiber of my being.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
We’re having trouble with the no huddle.
Can’t believe we’re losing to a dude named ‘Sage’
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I just wonder if he has siblings named Rosemary and Tyme
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
The Texans have a bad record, but they’re not a horrible football team.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
It could be worse — we could be down 13-6 to the Houston Oilers. That would really be something.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Warren Moon FTW
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
We get the ball first.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Ted Dashier wants out too.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Good point.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Flacco, 3-of-11 for 18 yards.
Ravens up 10-0 at the half.
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That’ll happen if the other team has 3 TOs in the first half. Of course, except if you’re us, in which case even with 4 TOs…yeah, I don’t know.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Opps, check that, Eagles return the kickoff for a touchdown just before the half. 10-7 Ravens now.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sheesh…a lot happening in the two-minute drill. Ravens now driving, in field goal range.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Leading goat candidates after 1st half: Andra Davis (gameplay), Jamal Lewis (fumble).
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Can you say Edwards was a bright spot because he only dropped one pass? He made some other plays…
Rogers definitely in gameball contention
“Rogers definitely in gameball contention” — You could say this every game. He makes me happy.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
We had a big imbalance of pass/rush in the first half. I expect the Browns to come out running to start the second half here.
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wonder if he just doesn’t trust his blockers anymore
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Bad throw by Brady. He has to be more accurate.
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That’s in the general area of where you want to throw that ball, but you want to throw it to someone on the good end of a height mismatch. Winslow comes down with that. Braylon does too if he doesn’t feel like dropping it. Stallworth should not be running that route.
Right — Stallworth it supposed to be a crossing route guy or a deep burner. I’m not sure we’ve gone to him deep at all this year.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
You guys know more about that than I do, but it looks like Brady’s been off quite a bit today.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
The play calls have rarely included Kellen Winslow today.
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Open question: When was the last time a Browns punter had their punt blocked? I know it didn’t happen during the Gardocki era, but has Big Z had one blocked? If not, when before then?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:42 PM EST reply actions
This is a joke. we ahve THE worst defense in the NFL and possibly in the history of the NFL.
Outside of Rodgers ( who has to be frustrated) do we have a single credible NFL player?
They are all BUMS and need to be cut. We are getting humiliated by a 3 – 7 team. Whats going to happen when we play the Colts and Titans!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? WE ARE GOING TOP LOSE BY 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A few weeks ago I posted that it bottom line is that these guys, especially the LBs have ZERO heart, period. They are gutless cowards and I don’t know how they ever managed to become linebackers in the first place as LBs are usually some of the toughest, meanest football players. I’ve never, ever seen a team as gutless as this. Never seen anyone just flat out refuse to try to tackle. We have to be on a record setting pace as every team we face seems to roll up 500 yards and 30 points.
Our horrible coaching staff just compounds our defensive issues by running what is probably the worst defensive scheme in the history of the league. Their scheme is called the stand in place scheme. It basically consists of rushing three linemen and dropping the other 8 players to the same place every play. Blitzes are never run. Stunts are never run.
Great job coaching staff! Lets run a bland scheme that is totally predictable even though we have subpar talent. No reason to get creative. Seems like total laziness which makes sense when you look at Romeo and how fat he is.
Bottom line is we are years away from even being decent. I want people fired. This whole season has been ruined by lack of effort and stupidity. Even with our injuries we should have 3 more wins. Unacceptable IMO. Heads need to roll.
It’s only 13-6.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
“Years away from being decent.” Weren’t we more than decent last year? I think you’re overreacting.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Also, “gutless cowards” is quite a statement. Just because a players isn’t very talented doesn’t mean that he doesn’t play hard and doesn’t care. I hate when people make pronouncements like that, as if you know ANYTHING about that person.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
WOOOO!!! Brodney Pool exposing Rosenfels’ second-half struggles!
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In response to mgtbfb’s long statement, I’d say that besides Rogers, Pool and Wright are credible defensive players. Jones would be in there if healthy, as would Robaire Smith.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. they’re all “gutless cowards.”
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
he is above average
amazing? no. premier? no. above average? yeah, sure.
very inconsistent.
im not impressed with your performance
Part of the growing pains.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Can anyone doubt that we’ve tackled a lot better today?
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Browns should have Cribbs running one way on the next kickoff, and then give it off to Harrison on an end-around :-O
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Your brain would explode. I vote No.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
To Winlsow.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Running the ball — this is what I wanted coming out of the half.
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I like the call with Cribbs. I think he should have went outside.
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47(Vickers?) blew his block on that one
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Whew, with that safety blitzing so much, I thought Lewis would’ve gotten more there.
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edwards has had a few drops today
but he and quinn seem to be building a little more chemistry today
im not impressed with your performance
Braylon “Only Catches the hard ones” Edwards
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locked in on edwards
i do it on my flag team. our no1 WR went down and it was the only game i didnt throw an interception
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What the hell kind of a route was that? 5 seconds after I say how good Braylon is at running the slant, he does that.
yeah brady shouldnt have thrown it
but fault is definitely on both parties in that one
im not impressed with your performance
go root for Houston
f*** you
im not impressed with your performance
by troy145 on Nov 23, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
no FUCK YOU I’ve been sufferring with this team for 32 years and if they play like shit IM going to call thjem on it. If they play well I’m going to celebrate.
YOU CALM DOWN
[IMG]http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll335/wraith5965/88-CalmDown.jpg[/IMG]
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rec’d
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we should just skip straight to Dawson every time we make the 30 yard line
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or just putt cribbs at QB
and run it every down with direct snaps to lewis and all that
im not impressed with your performance
I know…ridiculous.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 23, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
poorly
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, THATS the answer. Quinn has to learn to deal with adversity and overcome his mistakes. leave him in
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT THE FRICK
derrick anderson?? REALLY???
i almost hope we lose now to spare us the drama
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DA orchestrates the come-back, Romeo feels justified with life, all of us die.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:08 PM EST reply actions
how about Todd Philcox? Spurgeon Wynn?
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Kosar doesn’t deserve to be saddled with this group
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think we should trade Derek Anderson to Kansas City
get Brodie Croyle and maybe a draft pick or something and develop Brady as the no 1 with brodie as the solid no 2.
but first we fire romeo
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Mike Adams sighting
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Wonder if Gruden is still willing to trade Jeff Garcia. I know his last stint here wasn’t great, but I cant handle the DA Era Part II
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Damn. forgot about that.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he’ll fuck Gruden’s wife and get cut
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
thats a crazy family
i would believe a garcia/wife/grudens lady threesome if i saw it in the paper
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no way dude
thats a same calibre problem in a different shape
im not impressed with your performance
so did romeo take quinn out because of finger issues or poor performance…if its the latter we could have a problem if the coach doesnt have confidence in his players
He took DA out for poor performance. DA probably only earned as much PT as he did by winning 10 games last year
it took DA 85 crappy games and a blown season to get yanked
brady quinn only gets two bad passes with average protection
im not impressed with your performance
Harrison FTW
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
im telling you
trade DA to kansas city for a pick and snag Brodie Croyle cheap and commit to brady
im not impressed with your performance
thats why
we need to play quinn now cus people will learn even more that DA sucks.
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You know, I can’t even get angry. That is just absolutely inexcusable in every way. Absolutely pathetic shit by Braylon.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:24 PM EST reply actions
Braylon needs stickum. or tar.
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He needs to stop drinking that five hour energy drink. Shaky hands.
by gentryholdem on Nov 23, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Browns offensive MVP: the Illegal Contact penalty
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Just stop throwing to Braylon. work some to Winslow or Stallworth or Heiden.
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5 hr energy
FTL
really those ads are an epic fail, with osi being hurt
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anderson completion? edwards catch?
wait a minute… wtf is goin on here?
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WOOo flash package
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Jesus they really are throwing it to Braylon only when he will have to do something ridiculous to catch is
DA and Braylon’s suckitude has infected him.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
No way Beanie goes that low. He’ll be the #1 RB.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think I have to turn this off. I’m in pain.
And it’s not even that bad. I just…can’t do this anymore.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:35 PM EST reply actions
I’ve had dentists appointments that hurt less
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
wow
dawson doesnt screw up
we mustve built this stadium on top of an indian burial ground or something
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great in-depth analysis from completely sober and rational people who aren’t being emotionally abused.
Aren’t we all being emotionally abused?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
lol
an image of one of those lame obama posters popped into my head, but with romeo crennel instead of the baracklithsberger
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You won’t be surprised that I have one of those posters hanging beside my computer desk.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Derek Anderson
cc: Romeo Crennel
Please die.
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OMFG. I just had the exact same thing written out.
Mo Williams is money.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah they’re going to be great. I’m excited. Delonte is playing great next to Mo.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we got 2 more years with LeBron for us to win a title until he leaves.
They at least look like the real deal.
If we win one I think he stays but the NBA, Nike and the media are going to do whatever it takes to screw us. Don’t think for a minute that getting LeBron out of Cleveland isn’t David Stern’s #1 priority. That and taking the game global.
Do you really think LeBron playing in New York is going to make him more popular in China and Europe? You need to get out of this “everyone screws Cleveland” mode.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair, Cleveland does get screwed a lot.
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Every city loses players. Especially small markets like Cleveland. That’s just a poor-me attitude.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
He won’t leave as long as the Cavs are still competative.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Howard is sick.
Is he a FA in 2010 too? I would rather throw a max contract at him, but I will take Bosh if that’s who we need to keep Bron.
Either of those guys would be great, but I doubt the Cavs have the cap room to keep LeBron and sign one of those guys.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
We simply don’t have the cap room to keep LeBron and pick up someone like Bosh or Howard. Just not going to happen.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Actually thats exactly what they are setting up to do.
ESPN would have you believe that NYK are the only team with the cap room to do so, but everyone who is not a dumbass in the NBA is finnagling for enough room to offer 2 max contracts in that offseason.
Before the Mo Williams trade we were the only team to have room for 2 max guys that year.
LeBron’s not leaving Cleveland as long as they can win. He wants to win championships. Going to New York isn’t going to make him more marketable, he’s already one of the most popular athletes in the world.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you're right . .
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/chris_mannix/11/21/Knicks.future/index.html
i would LOVE for a guy like LeBron to stick around and even take less money, but teaming up with another superstar in NY will give him the ability to win more championships (than he could here)
Nick
Yeah, LeBron is going to get MORE money in Cleveland than for any other team. Of course they’re going to offer him a max contract!!!
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, so will the Cavs. Big Zs contract expires that year, They will have the cap space to offer two max contracts. AND they can offer more money than the Knicks because of the Bird rule. They can pay Lebron about 10% more than any other team in the league and still have enough room left to pick up a big name power forward or center.
by gentryholdem on Nov 23, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
“As noted in our LeBron opus earlier this month, no fewer than 15 teams — including the Cavaliers — awoke Friday morning with less than $40 million in committed salaries on their books for 2010-11, hoarding salary-cap space for a free-agent class so tantalizing that we scarcely talk about folks such as Amare Stoudemire, Dirk Nowitzki and Joe Johnson.”
So depending on moves we make, we could potentially have three of Bron, Nash, Stoudemire, Dirk, Dwane Wade, and Bosh…
I don’t want any part of Nash in two years.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
magic will do what they need to do
to keep dwight.
he’s a cool guy and the face of the team. he is to Orlando what Lebron is to Cleveland. except we dont have the likes of derek anderson to fall back on
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No, he signed a new 5 year deal in 2007.
by gentryholdem on Nov 23, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing we benched Brady. That really turned this game around.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
+1
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by BringBackKosar on Nov 23, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to go ask someone to kick me in the nuts to take the pain away from this game. BRB.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 23, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions
This team, this fan base doesnt deserve DA and Romeo. We’ve been here too long and suffered too much to subsidize this fucking bullshit.
Hear me Browns ownership: you’re not getting another fucking red cent of my money until Romeo Crennel is unemployed
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i dont care if hes employed
so long as it isnt with cleveland
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Look at it this way we could be Detroit Lions fans.
by gentryholdem on Nov 23, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
They would kill us right now. Hell, we would lose to Notre Dame.
Thank God we don’t play them this year. I’d hate the embarrasment of being the Lions only win of the season.
Uhh, you’re kidding, right?
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think wed lose
however i wouldnt put anything past the browns
im not impressed with your performance
at least then
you know you suck.
id almost rather prefer consistent crap than getting a little hope only for it to be dashed by raw stupidity
im not impressed with your performance
The Bills are putting up 54 on KC, so I guess it could be worse.
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You’ve still got the lead right now.
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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
rufio…care to make a “why I hate our offense so much” post this week?
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I'll see if I can find the film somewhere
Anyone with an internet link where I could painfully re-watch the game?
Goodell said Friday that the economic downturn has started to hit the NFL, but the real test will come in the spring when they try to renew their season ticket holders.
Even the Boston Red Sox had to hold the line on ticket prces for 2009. The weak sisters in weak economies like the Browns may have to reduce ticket prices.
It looks like Learner waited too long to sell the Browns.
The team isn’t going to be sold, especially in this economy and with the way the team is playing. Lerner would lose his shirt if he sold now, not that I think he’;s even considering it.
WRONG AGAIN!
Flacco not even close to rattled, as he throws 2 tds and does not turn the ball over once. Bitter Bitter Bitter!
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