Quinn Out For Season

by maryrose on Nov 25, 2008 10:27 PM EST Comment 63 comments

As reported by Jay Glazier at Fox Sports:

There will be no more quarterback controversy in Cleveland this season.

Browns quarterback Brady Quinn is done for the year after doctors revealed that the break to his right index finger has gotten worse since he's tried to play through the injury, sources told FOXSports.com.

Team sources said that Quinn and the team made the decision together earlier today. Sources say that not only has the break in his right index finger worsened, but it is also starting to injure the tendons as well.

Derek Anderson will return as starter. Quinn met with renowned doctor James Andrews and the Browns brought in specialists as well.

A team source said that all agreed that Quinn needed to shut it down before the tendons tore from the bone.

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Wonderful, can this season end. This is really not funny anymore.
Get well Brady, sure hope your under center for the opener next year.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 25, 2008 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

This is why the Browns kept DA this year. This stuff happens all the time, and if you have two QBs you keep them if you can.

by oxforddave on Nov 25, 2008 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Thats fine, but it still hurts the progression that Quinn could make this year. Quinn needs to QB this team

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 25, 2008 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

The only positive we had left for the rest of this season was seeing how much quinn could progress. Now even that is out the window.

by BronBron on Nov 26, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

FUCK

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 25, 2008 10:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

How will this affect

The evaluations of Crennel and Savage? I hear much about Crennel being a lame duck, but I am more curious as to how the Quinn injury might affect Savage, either way.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Nov 25, 2008 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i’m not sure quinn’s performance would have done much for either guy. there are too many other issues that are disconcerting about the direction of this team. i think they’re both wishing those houses were rentals at this point…

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 25, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As I’m sure you heard, Lerner has given them the “Evaluate after the season” remark, the ugly second cousin of the “vote of confidence”. Romeo’s a lame duck… before the Buffalo game, I felt the only possible way he could sniff the Browns’ sidelines in 2009 was by winning out, and that was a pipedream. It wasn’t just the loss to Houston at home that I think did him in, but the way he handled it (including the Quinn benching and the subsequent press conferences by himself and Quinn).

There’s been a ton of discussion here lately about whether or not the Browns have “talent”. Some say we do and the coaching staff has screwed things up, some think we overestimate our own players and don’t have the talent that’s here. In my unbiased opinion, there is talent here. Phil’s brought most of it in, and if you’re judging him based on player personnel, I don’t think Lerner can fire him.

As for the talent question, I’d like to hear your thoughts as an outsider. I’ve read your stuff and would be curious to hear thoughts on which Browns players you’d like to see in black and gold.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 25, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

To be candid

As a Steeler fan, I would love to see Savage go and Crennel stay. I was anguished when John Collins lost the power truggle a few years ago. I thought Collins was totally useless. Savage has stones to think outside the box. While I certainly can’t argue the success of the Steelers operations, I like the way Savage uses all his tools. The trade for Rogers was outstanding. He is a beast. Getting Steinbach was huge. The trade for Quinn took stones. Quinn has alot of poise. At Notre Dame he was trailing every game and had to play catch-up and still looked good. The Browns gave up a 22nd pick for that. I never liked Anderson. I want him to play against Pittsburgh, not Quinn. So Savage concerns me. I don’t care about the profane text. While embarrassing from a PR standpoint, there’s nothing substantive there. Snagging Joe Thomas is substantive. You can’t blame him for Braylon Edwards not being able to catch the ball, nor for Winslow being such an enigma.

Savage certainly isn’t batting 1.000, but nor is anyone else. The jury is out on your two young linebackers, but that was certainly the position most in need of help when he drafted them.

Crennel can’t be blamed for all the chaos, but Crennel is not the answer. You only get so many clock mismanagements and so many “If I knew I correct it” statements. There are alot of coaches out there who must be better than Crennel, which is why I hope Romeo stays.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Nov 25, 2008 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Your assessment is what I’ve been saying — Savage should stay but we need a new head coach. That last fact has been apparant for the past few weeks but this Sunday’s game was the final straw for Romeo. I think Savage deserves to stay and continue building this team; I don’t want another total rebuild.

Thanks for your candid assessment. It’s very refreshing after having to deal with those Ravens idiots.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 25, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, but if Cowher is coming to Cleveland, Savage is probably going to have to go. He won a power struggle in Pittsburgh to get more of a say in the personnel department and I think he’s going to want full control over the Browns.

I agree that Savage has done at least a decent job acquiring players, but man is Romeo a bad coach.

by Cols714 on Nov 25, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s why I don’t want Cowher.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 26, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well said maryrose.

If any of those Ravens fans are still around: this is the type of comment that can be engaging and useful- an honest assessment of the Browns on a Browns website by a fan of a rival team.

by DaytonDogg on Nov 26, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As others have said, this is a thoughtful and good response from a completely opposing view.

And I agree with you.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 26, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I grew up in Youngstown in the 50s and 60s, so I have profund respect for the Cleveland Browns, and I also kinow how frustrating it is to think your team may never reach the promised land. I went through 40-50 years ago exactly what the younger Browns fans are experiencing now.

Anyhow, like in medicine, you start with the least invasive procedure to see if that cures the problem, then work up from there. In this case it is Crennel. The field goal against Dallas probably didn’t cost the Browns a win, but the one against Pittsburgh was horrible. He comes off as a guy, like our Dick LeBeau, who could be an outstanding coordinator, but not head coaching material. The hire may have been a classic Peter Principle.

It is true that Savage hired Crennel, but did so two weeks after he got the job in Cleveland. It makes me wonder if the process was well along when Savage got there. In any case, Savage deserves another hire. If that doesn’t work, like in medicine, you need a bigger operation. But I suspect that won’r be the case. Savage is relentless in his pursuit of talent to help the franchise. You can tell the man lives for that very thing. That passion is so evident it spilled over into an ill-advised email to a fan, which he should never be responding to.

But it is clear that Savage is up nights thinking about every angle. His aggression has resulted in numerous huge improvements to the talent pool, and he has used different venues to do it. Free agents, trading draft picks, going into a draft with no day-one picks – he did things that others would be affraid to do, And for the most part, those are great players. Steinbach and Rogers are great players that Savage went outside the box to acquire. Brady Quinn also falls into that category. That guy is the definition of a quarterback to me. For your sake, it is a shame that he doesn’t get the rest of this season to develop chemistry with his future weapons.

I’ll bet Savage expected Quinn to be playing long before now, but Anderson had the great year last season, probably in surprise. If the braintrust had believed Anderson was that good he would have started the season instead of Frye. Which, by the way, is another example of Savage being nontraditional. Trading him after one game and putting to rest his potential future was a bold move that I haven’t seen before. Anderson is not the answer either. He hit his ceiling in my opinion. As a rival fan, I like playing against him. What I don’t like is playing against those moxy guys like I think Quinn will be.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Nov 26, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good analogy to medicine. Thank you for ruining most of the generalizations about steelers fans.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really what is hurting Savage the most right now is the profane email.

That really isn’t helping a frustrated Lerner want to keep him around.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that sounds more like the last straw than what’s hurting savage most right now. if the team that he’s built didn’t suck, then the profane email would just be sort of funny (although still wildly inappropriate). when your fans are leaving in droves before the end of the game, you’re 1-5 at home, and your LBs and DBs are facing the wrong way when the ball is snapped, you can’t ALSO tell one of your clientele “f*ck you”. he’s doing a lot wrong right now.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 26, 2008 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who was facing the wrong way at the snap?

Savage’s job is to get players who are strong, fast, have shown that they can play well, and most importantly can be good NFL players. Romeo’s job is to tell them what do do on the field and to win ballgames.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Glass half-full: D.A. had 5 games to summon the spirits of the first half of 2007 and create some trade value in him prior to April 2009.

Glass half-empty: The next 5 weeks just got a little less interesting.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 25, 2008 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Could not have said it better.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 25, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so, we’re assuming that quinn is the guy? i don’t disagree…i just worry that this makes us think much harder about the decision. i prefer quinn, but clearly don’t have a lot to go on for that stance. i know i’ve seen enough of anderson, though.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 25, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m assuming that he’s Savage’s guy. Phil made the big draft-day trade for him, and no matter what Anderson did, Quinn was going to be the guy at some point. It just so happened that some strong performances from D.A. became a roadblock… a temporary one, at that.

that’s why I’m saying that the next 5 games and wind up being crucial to the QB decision: should Anderson play well and recapture some of the trade value that he had lost since the past offseason, it would be that much easier to deal him.

On the other hand, and it’s something I’d prefer not to think about, but what if Quinn playing through the pain of a broken bone does permanent damage to his stock as an NFL QB? Maybe then D.A. will be our starting QB in 2009, like it or not.

Grim times… again.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 25, 2008 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I’m interested to see what would happen if DA plays well. If he plays poorly, Quinn is certainly the guy starting next year (assuming he is healthy)- maybe DA gets traded, dropped, or just let sit on the bench as a backup (I think this option is very feasible with a new coach). If DA plays well, then its on Savage or Crennel, or the new GM or new coach to make a decision and/or trade DA.

by DaytonDogg on Nov 26, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The statement “DA returns as the starter.” couldn’t be further from the truth. In reality, DA returns as the backup to start games that our starter is too hurt to play. Perhaps that phrase should have been that DA returns to start, instead of as “the” starter.

by elsandito on Nov 26, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As a fan, I have always liked Derek more. I guess I’m very mildly happy to see him play. (This should not be taken to mean I think he is better or anything like that. I merely mean on an emotional, unthinking level, I like Derek Anderson).

by fwembt on Nov 25, 2008 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

you just like the live arm? you’re still thinking about all the winning last year? i realize you’re saying there’s not necessarily a ton of reason behind, but i’d be interested to hear why.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 25, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You know, I am not sure I can give you a good reason. I loved Cory Snyder back in the day too. I just like Anderson, can’t really explain it. It makes very little sense. Sorry there is nothing more compelling than that.

by fwembt on Nov 26, 2008 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I still love Cory Snyder…mostly for the mustache, but partly for the dingers, too. No reason to apologize.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 26, 2008 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I, too, like DA. It is funny, that I like him more this year than last. Yes, he has his deficiencies (staring down a receiver, lack of mobility, and what is the deal with all the false starts?), but Quinn has similarities to Couch that make me shudder (arm is not super strong, all passes are underneath, is mobile but it really is not a weapon; he does get rid of the ball better, and that is a big difference). Both guys are above average backups, but I only see them as average starting QBs.

This team has many more problems than the QB. The soft schedule and Edwards and DA’s play masked this last year. I was hoping they would make improvements on the other fronts this year, and only have slight regressions from Edwards and DA. Alas, none of this has come to pass, and it appears the team is quitting (Edwards play in the 2nd half last week was reprehensible, and now I know how Lewis was talking about). I like Crennel, but this falls on the coach, as this is the 2nd year out of 3 this has occurred.

by oxforddave on Nov 26, 2008 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Quinns mobility picked up at least 2 1st and 10s all by itself. His arm is way stronger than I thought it would be after people said that his arm was not strong. He has not thrown deep much, though.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I just feel bad for Brady.

I just want no QB controversy.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 12:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

agree, You could tell Quinn really wanted this opportunity. Not saying DA doesn’t want to start, however you can tell Quinn has a better feel, better awareness on the field. Thats my take.
Also agree, QB controversy in the off-season is the last thing this team needs.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 26, 2008 7:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who is going to take the blame for playing Quinn against Houston?

Is this another black mark against the Browns medical staff?

by palcal on Nov 26, 2008 1:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

do they have other black marks? Please please tell me you are not referring to the staph infections.

by DaytonDogg on Nov 26, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The good news is Quinn should be ready for the 2nd round of the playoffs!

by Guage80 on Nov 26, 2008 6:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

LOL

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 26, 2008 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Great.. now we can sit back and hope they tank they rest of the season for better drafting position, for whatever new coach we have.

Bill Cowher = victory

by ouched on Nov 26, 2008 8:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

GMs draft, not coaches.

Even if Cowher is both, he is still acting as the GM/President when he drafts.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just wondering — this means we’ll probably be signing another quarterback pretty soon?

Also, this injury has probably dramatically increased the odds of Anderson remaining a Brown next season.

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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 26, 2008 9:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I’ve noticed that Dorsey is rarely active on gamedays… could they not just start dressing him on Sunday to serve as backup and let Cribbs be the emergency 3rd QB? Not an ideal scenario for D.A. and Dorsey to get hurt in one game forcing Cribbs to play entire possessions behind center, but it’s an option.

On the other hand, that’s a plan for one week… probably not one they’d want to use for 5 weeks.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 26, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure if you are aware of the rule or not based on your statement, but I’ll explain it either way. Teams can designate their No. 3 quarterbacks as inactive, but they can still play. However, the only way they can play is if both of the other two quarterbacks suffer injuries. So, really, he has been dressed as a backup.

I’d assume he’d move to No. 2. Yeah, we could probably stick with a guy like Cribbs as the No. 3 quarterback. If nothing more, maybe we’ll see someone promoted from the practice squad, and then a quarterback signed to the practice squad. This way, there is a third guy to handle the excess QB drills in practice, if they still do that at this point of the season.

Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 26, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope, I wasn’t aware of this rule. That’s why you get paid the big bucks.

I agree that they’d just move guys up the depth chart from practice squad to #3 QB, and sign a guy to the practice squad. Again, it’s not as if they’re competing for anything other than pride, and anybody they sign off the street can’t be a huge upgrade over Dorsey, no matter how silly that sounds.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 26, 2008 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I hear Tim Couch is free.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 26, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He just fractured his finger and has to have surgery on it. Oh, wait…

by fwembt on Nov 26, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Too soon!

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m hoping Anderson plays well and increases his trade value. I really don’t want to keep both of them around next year — I’d like to see Quinn be the #1 guy going in to the season. I realize that may be hard to do because he’s only played 2 1/2 games but I don’t want another QB controversy.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 26, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t see the problem with Anderson staying next year as a backup. If Romeo is gone, there won’t be a controversy, will there? I am under the impression (perhaps foolishly) that Romeo is pretty much the only guy in all of football that thinks Anderson should start over Quinn after about week 6 this year. If a coach comes on board, quickly says “Quinn is my QB” and moves on, what would be wrong with having DA as the backup.

I like DA as a backup. Plus, unless he kicks some ass the next 5 games, its not like we are going to get much for him in a trade.

by DaytonDogg on Nov 26, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Costly backup is the only reason it’s a problem. Savage has to think of the best allocation of his resources to stay under the cap and field a competitive team

by Roger Dorn on Nov 26, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think Savage will be making that decision.

by palcal on Nov 26, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i still think you can get a 3rd rounder for anderson. there are enough QB hungry squads (Minny) out there who think an adequate QB w/ some tools (Anderson) can help push them over the top.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 26, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d like to think we can get a 3rd rounder for him, but you have to consider the other options.

Matt Cassel will be out there as a free agent. McNabb will likely be out there, either as a trade piece or as a free agent (that still seems to be undecided).

Unfortunately, teams that were potential suitors for D.A. last year likely are no longer interested:

Kansas City has their own rags-to-riches wonderboy in Thigpen; Chicago seems pretty content with Orton; Detroit is undergoing a front office overhaul and we can’t predict what will happen there; Baltimore is good with Flacco and may feel vindicated a bit considering 2008’s developments; Miami’s unorthodox offense runs fine with Pennington.

Does that about cover it?

Maybe San Fran would have an interest, as Hill nor O’Sullivan seem to be the answer. If Martz remains the O.C. out there, could he have interest in a gunner like Anderson?

Minnesota still seems like a possibility.

After that, it’s tough to peg down any other franchise that would pay the price of a draft pick for Anderson. Again, a lot will happen to team’s depth charts between now and March, so it’s somewhat fruitless to try and strike up hypothetical deals now.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 26, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Do not underestimate the lack of quality QBs in the NFL.

My guess is San Fran would be on the lookout for a QB who is very smart with good timing and accuracy who might actually not have the biggest arm in the world. Martz’s system relies on knowing before a receiver gets in to his cut/break that he will be open and throwing the ball ahead of time to where he will be when he gets open. Not exactly DA’s biggest strength.

The QB also does not audible and change the line calls/TEs/Backs blocking responsibilities to try to pick up blitzes. The QB and a “hot” receiver (usually a back, sometimes a TE) are supposed to read blitz together, let the blitz come to the QB, and the QB is supposed to throw a short dump-off pass. This is similar to a screen but instead of having 2OL out in front to block 2 defenders (who didn’t blitz), you have 0 OL out in front because both defenders blitzed. Again, not exactly DA’s strength.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not underestimating the lack of quality QBs in the NFL so much as I’m placing reasonable expectations on Anderson’s value. Tyler Thigpen may not be the answer to Kansas City’s prayers, but I’ll be damned if they think Derek Anderson, at the cost of a 3rd round pick (high 3rd round, mind you), is the answer as well. He may be the answer for the price of a 6th round next year and future 4th (just throwing out numbers here), but not a 3rd when they already have their own Derek Anderson on the roster.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 26, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m just sayin there have been a lot of teams who have really really stunk it up at QB. I don’t think one draft class, one trade of Brett Favre, and one hot backup are going to be the entire league’s answer at QB. Thigpen, Flacco, Ryan could all be feeling the same high Anderson was last year, and could all come crashing back to earth at any moment. Flacco and Ryan look like they will be studs to me, but you never know.

Al Davis is probably dumb enough to give up on JaMarcus right now and trade a 1st rounder for DA.

Seattle is preparing Frye to be the QB of the future, and Hasselbeck is kinda old.

Brett Favre is always on the retirement bubble.

The Detroit Lions. Enough said.

Lets hope someone can pin DA’s failures this year on the team as a whole and make a good sell. I think we can still get a 3rd rounder.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would rather see the Browns trade Anderson for whatever they can get and sign a veteran as the backup. The reason being that Anderson takes longer to warm up than a diesel in January. I don’t think he ever had a good first quarter, and he definitely wasn’t ready to come in when Quinn got pulled in this last game.

Given the price paid for Quinn we’ve gotta start him – unless Tom Brady or Peyton Manning start screaming to be traded to Cleveland – just to rationalize the trade made to get him.

by JustBob on Nov 26, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You guys would know better than me, but does this put Quinn’s roster bonus(es) in jeopardy? Personally, I don’t see how you can trade DA now unless you’re 100% certain Quinn has a full recovery and I don’t think we’re there right now. Tendons perhaps tearing away from the bone?

by cheech99 on Nov 26, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Most of Quinn’s bonuses come from getting a certain % of the snaps (I have heard 50%) out of the entire season. He probably wasn’t going to reach that total anyway, but now he definitely won’t get that.

Bonuses and incentives count differently against the cap if they are “likely to be earned” or “not likely to be earned”. I believe this is why Pontbriand’s salary figure looks enormous. They signed him to a bunch of escalators for things that he will never do (i.e. catch 20 passes) in order to have it benefit our salary cap numbers.

The real question is if we can spin Quinn’s escalators to be “not likely to be earned”.

by rufio on Nov 26, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

When I read that, I was hoping it was one of those “sounds a lot worse than it really is” medical moments. But…no, it sounds wretched, especially given that it is his index finger on his throwing hand.

I will defer to rufio above on the question of roster bonuses, but from what I remember reading about the deal, he seems spot on here.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 26, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If DA is able to recapture even a little of his early 2007 form I think someone out there is going to offer us more than we expect for him. As I posted i another thread, many coaches have the “coach em up” disease and think they can magically turn a dissapointing player with great physical potential into an All Pro simply by exposing them to their coaching genius. In the case of DA that arm of his is going to blind quite a few coaches to his other faults as a player.

Think back and remember how many chances Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Jay Schroeder, Rob Johnson, ect.. got because of their physical gifts. If DA can throw up a 300 yard multi TD game or two I really think we may get someone to drastically overpay for him.

by mgtbfb on Nov 26, 2008 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

What pisses me off is that we could have gotten a mid to late first rounder for either Quinn or Anderson last offseason. Easy trade. It’s a big maybe if we could a 3rd rounder for either of them right now.

If you were going to keep both you have to pull Anderson and give Quinn a chance much earlier in the season. But turn it into a revolving system where our offense changes every couple of drives.

Anyways, I trace this whole fucked up season back to the lackluster pansy training camp we had. It was really pathetic. I live in south Florida and every day during Cleveland training camp was a long list of not practicing… in Miami it was story after story of an intense and very physical training camp. It carried over into the season.

by gentryholdem on Nov 26, 2008 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Quinn would still get us much more than a 3rd rounder.

by rufio on Nov 27, 2008 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There were rumors that Kansas City had offered two 1sts for Quinn. I doubt much happened this season where they wouldn’t offer the same in the offseason

by Roger Dorn on Nov 28, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs