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UPDATE: That was quick. The Plain Dealer has it from a "Browns spokesman." The link now points there.

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Numerous local sources are reporting it as well.

by gahnki on Nov 3, 2008 5:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Are those the same local sources that had the Tribe trading for Mark Teahan? This could be much log-rolling and little reporting.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Nov 3, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the assist on that. I’m local to Atlanta so all I hear is MATTY ICE.

Let me take this opportunity to mention that I think this is absolutely the right time to make this move. We’ll have, barring injury, eight games of film and stats to evaluate each QB. A lot of people are going to say that the Browns are stacking the deck against Quinn by having him start on a short week but that’s only one of eight starts and it’s against the 30th-ranked team defense, according to DVOA.

More than any other reason, this belongs under the “If not now, when” category, in my mind.

by NickFantana on Nov 3, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More than any other reason, this belongs under the "If not now, when" category, in my mind.

I would have personally put it in the “What do we have to lose?” category but yours works too.

Denver, Buffalo, and Houston is a very good stretch of time to break Quinn in.

by gahnki on Nov 3, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

short week hurts, but the denver defense sucks and this is a home game…the home crowd will go absolutely ballistic and buoy quinn like crazy. NFL network is psyched, as this game just became interesting/watch-worthy. ND fans the world over will be tuning in.

this had to happen. unfortunately, the season is done, and not making this move now makes not just this year a waste, but prob next year as quinn gets acclimated. 8 games of sucking is all that anderson could have ever expected.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 3, 2008 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I actually kind of feel bad for DA

He freaking torched us yesterday.

Interesting that the Ravens helped usher in both the Brady Quinn era and the Ben Roethlisberger era.

by math_geek on Nov 3, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If you feel so bad for him, do you want him?

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Nov 3, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha, valid point

but he could be a solid backup to Joe Flacco. He’d certainly be better than Todd Bouman, and I guarantee that if you cut him, someone will sign him.

by math_geek on Nov 3, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Ravens and Browns

Are so intertwined it’s ridiculous. Savage, Anderson, J. Lewis, Matt Stover, the Baltimore Ravens franchise, and Zastudil. I’m sure there are some other guys out there.

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by Baltimo on Nov 3, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

used to be Gary Baxter

and remember that the Ravens tried to trade up for BQ

by math_geek on Nov 3, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For a minute I thought you said BBQ… but sadly, Brady Quinn’s middle name is Tyler.

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by Avindian on Nov 3, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we might as well...

I’ve always been a huge DA supporter, and I think he’s gotten a bad rap this year for the struggles of the entire offensive unit. But, that being said, he has been a shell of the player we saw last year. And at the end of the day, we have to find out what we have in Brady Quinn.

The front office has to decide after this season which direction we’re going to go in. If Brady finishes the season, we’ll have 8 games of DA and 8 games of Brady to base a decision on. I think this is an unfortunate (for DA) turn of events, but probably the best decision at this point in a disappointing year for the Browns.

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by Midwest Sports Fans on Nov 3, 2008 5:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Derek Anderson saved Romeo Crennel’s job last year.

It’s Brady Quinn’s job to save it this year.

No matter what I say about my approval for Anderson, the second the fans actually chanted QUINN, QUINN, QUINN on Sunday, Anderson’s starting career with the Browns (while Quinn is on the roster too) came to an end. I do feel bad for Anderson, because I feel he’s been our best quarterback since returning to the league. Standards were high this season though, and right now, you can’t definitively say there are negatives in the decision to go with Quinn.

At least the city of Cleveland will be more pumped for Thursday’s game than they would have otherwise.

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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 3, 2008 6:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This move had to come from above...

I listened to Romeo on Sirius NFL Radio at 3:15 est and while he gave the same ’ ole answer, “Everyone gets evaluated all the time” he also seemed to point to Anderson getting this week. Game planning and preparation would also point to a change after a short turnaround when the team has over a week to prepare.

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by John Bena on Nov 3, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting to pull the trigger now, but it says something that it’s exactly at the mid-way point. I’m sure management had it in mind to re-evaluate at this point, and 3-5 w/ a 68 rating is a great way to get yourself benched.
I also feel bad for Anderson, but the name of the game is winning, and his mistakes and inaccuracies had a significant hand in all 5 losses. I’m dying to convert a 3 and 5 and run a screen effectively.
Let’s hope this is the start of the Golden Era of Cleveland Browns Football!

by dawginphilly on Nov 3, 2008 6:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ESPN

is reporting the change had to me made because of the way the CLEVELAND FANS reacted after DA threw the fatal pick. Good! If the coaches can’t get it right I’d rather have the inmates running the asylum. Thanks to those that attended the game and booed him off the field. They also reported this was NOT a Romeo decision but from the front office. Sometimes it appears we care do more than they do.

PS . Trent Dilfer is riping the Cleveland fans. Says we are whats wrong with things in C town

Oh The People You Meet When Your Out of Ammo.........

by Juannieboy on Nov 3, 2008 6:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I may not agree with the Quinn chants at that moment, but Dilfer can piss off if he tries to think he knows the book on Cleveland.

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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 3, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is bitter, he thinks we gave him the same fate when Frye replaced him as starting QB. I would care except he was even worse for San Francisco after he left the Browns

by Roger Dorn on Nov 3, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still, ignorant non-Cleveland fans will watch Dilfer on ESPN and shake their head in agreement. Then we’ll have to here all of their BS.

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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 3, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we’ve gotten used to this….over the last week in particular

by Roger Dorn on Nov 3, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not Ravens fans

Dilfer’s never had anything nice to say about any team he’s ever played for.

by math_geek on Nov 3, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah — probably one of the few things we have in common, lol.

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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 3, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

trent’s gotta be right…i mean, he’s on ESPN, isn’t he? they’ve got the market cornered on being right (see: Emmitt Smith, elocutor)! it couldn’t possibly be:
- joe j. being hurt
- cribbs being hurt
- donte s. being hurt
- steinbach missing a game
- ryan tucker being out
- sean jones missing 3 (?) weeks
- shaun smith missing time
- sub-50% completion % from the guy who’s taken every snap
- ray rice gashing the defense for 150 yards
- no jamal in the second half of the first b-more game
- all jamal in the 4th q on the second b-more game
- winslow’s balls (testes, not pigskin)
- kamerion wimbley continuing his courtney brown impression (the “no production” part, not the injuries)
- edwards’ drops
- pass defense against the cowboys
- run defense against the ravens
- 2nd year DBs, terry cousin and daven holly’s knee
- antwan peek hasn’t seen a snap
- romeo’s inability/unwillingness to take risks or change things up
- el nino

it had to be the cleveland fans, trent. what other explanation could there be? if not for them boo’ing in the 4th quarter of this week’s game, then you probably wouldn’t have sucked in cleveland, either. our bad. you’re a dick.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 3, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That, that was a list.

by joeee on Nov 3, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s dedication

by gahnki on Nov 3, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

El Nino isn’t around any more. its Global Warming now.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 4, 2008 8:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

God Help us if the management of this franchise makes there decisions on fan reaction. But it would not surprise me if it played some role in this move.
 This is a tough business, 16 games for the year, not 82/NBA not 162/MLB, pressure is part of the position and the NFL. I do not believe DA handles adversity or pressure well. Last year against Cincy a must win game, he throws the 4 picks. Last sunday a huge game, divisional game, can get tied with the Ravens, Home game, and against the freaking Ravens and DA did not come through. Hey there was plently of blame to go around, however this falls on the QB. When you team gets 1 first down in the last 21 minutes of football the QB will get the heat.
 Hey is this fair? Probably not. But DA knew who was sitting behind him, he knew the stakes.
 Know only if Romeo would pack up and leave>

AND, Dilfer go screw yourself.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 3, 2008 6:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

while fans, talk radio, newspaper articles, etc., certainly shouldn’t dictate what a professional organization does, when you’re halfway through a season that was supposed to result in a playoff berth and you’re 3-5, you have to start thinking about the future. and the future includes season tix, suite sales, sponsorships… as you say, this is a business, and a business about winning, at that. if you aren’t winning, you have to give other reasons for people to be interested in your product. brady quinn is that tonic, at least for the balance of this year.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 3, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure Randy Lerner made the call here

by Roger Dorn on Nov 3, 2008 6:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sorry, i can’t tell if this is serious or not…but there is no chance this came from Randy Lerner. zero. the guy is completely removed from the day-to-day football operations of this team. that’s why he pays romeo and phil so much. this was a savage call, 100%.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 3, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was not joking. Randy was on the sideline for the game. He heard the chants. I am guessing he had a talk with Savage and they both agreed

by Roger Dorn on Nov 3, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He would rather be managing his soccer team

by gahnki on Nov 3, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where did Dilfer say this? Did he really say the Cleveland fans had anything to do with it? On National TV? You’ve got to be kidding me.

by dawginphilly on Nov 3, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sportscenter about……..True.

Oh The People You Meet When Your Out of Ammo.........

by Juannieboy on Nov 3, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

right before I posted

Oh The People You Meet When Your Out of Ammo.........

by Juannieboy on Nov 3, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Dilfer...

Obviously many of you heard what he said, but I paraphrased it on my blog and cracking into Trent a bit…check it out:

http://somewhatopinionated.blogspot.com/2008/11/trent-dilfer-needs-to-chill-f-out.html

By the way, the change at QB was looong overdue…

by PhillyFoley on Nov 3, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks — I was just looking for something like this too. Now, if anyone finds a video capture, the more the merrier.

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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 3, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SUB-50% COMPLETION % FROM THE GUY WHO’S TAKEN EVERY SNAP.

That is what this is about. I mean, he is just not an accurate passer. He has never been. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeDe00.htm

Scroll down. Do it. See his completion % in the pac-10 for 3.5 years. That’s right: 50.7%. He is who we (should have) thought he is. An inaccurate, sometimes confident QB with a big arm and no pocket presence.

I’m happy right now. This is a great decision by whoever made it. If it was the fans: good job, I’m proud again to be a part of the greatest fan base in football. If it was Romeo: you could have come a round a couple weeks sooner, but good job. Now take a class in PR, please, so you don’t look like an idiot handling the media. If it was Savage: way to go. Could have done without the contract extension, but I fully trust that you realized that franchising him would have made him untradeable and the decent deal you gave him makes him somewhat moveable for a low pick, whenever that may be.

GREAT DAY to be a BROWNS FAN!!!

by DaytonDogg on Nov 3, 2008 7:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Phil: So, Romes, wha’s on tap for Thursday?
Romeo: We want to go with the players who give us the best chance to win, Phil.
Phil: The boys at the network called, your product is getting stale.
Romeo: I can’t worry about the media, I have a game to win.
Phil: This is a business and Brady will have to start a game at some point. We agreed on draft day that he was worth a risk.
Romeo: Are you telling me who to play?
Phil: You are our coach. I am not involved in your managing the team.
Romeo: But you and I are collaberating, we take credit for the success and failures together, right?
Phil: (note silence)

by elsandito on Nov 3, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Phil: Romeo do you realize this is our last year in CLeveland?

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Nov 3, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by ChrisPokorny on Nov 3, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Denver is giving up almost as many yards rushing as we are. Running J-Lew down their throat may not be an awful idea.

by Estonianzulu on Nov 4, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how many old Cleveland retread d-linemen do they still have? You may have a point..

Bill Cowher = victory

by ouched on Nov 4, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

contract situation?

wow! When we discussed this a couple of weeks back, I said we wouldn’t see BQ until the Denver game if the FO didn’t want to pay his esculators. Now, I don’t know if this is the reason for the switch, but it definitely reduces the team’s risk.

by dvd1204 on Nov 3, 2008 8:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a huge unspoken or unknown reason why the switch is now. Indians fans at Lets Go Tribe recognize that this is often a reason for baseball decisions (to delay free agency). Browns fans have not caught onto this yet.

by oxforddave on Nov 4, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because it is rarely going to happen in football for significant players. A coach is not going to sit a player who gives him the best chance to win when his own job is on the line. When you only have 16 games you are not going to mess around worrying about Joe Schmoe’s three hundred thousand dollars bonus for throwing ten touchdown passes.

by gahnki on Nov 4, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What an absolutely moronic move. Horse Balls and Cribbs dragged an otherwise realcitrant team to a 14 point lead and then watched the defence blow it. Apparently, that will cost a starting quarterback his job. 27 points (7 by Cribbs, I know) against the Baltimore defence is more than enough to win a game. I suppose Edwards will be benched as well, right? And Shaun Smith? Maybe Jamal Lewis will sit. An absurd reaction to bad game.

In addition to that, we are giving Quinn three days to get ready. If Anderson had done badly against the Broncos and this decision would have been made then, Quinn would have from Friday until next Monday to prepare. Does that not make more sense?

by fwembt on Nov 3, 2008 9:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

“absolutely moronic” would be a complete misrepresentation of the quality of this move. is it a little surprising after a very-slightly-above-average performance from DA and on a short week? yes. but, denver’s defense is horrible, this is a home game—don’t underestimate that, the fans will be out of their minds—and brady gets his feet wet before going on the road to buffalo against a tough defense in a tough place to play. to me, this makes plenty of sense. DA’s comp % is sub-50, and was a nose hair over 50 this week (17-33). his inability to move the offense in the crunch sealed this. what more do you want? do you really think anderson gives the browns a better chance to win this week than quinn does? anderson has been the same guy for 12 games now: great gun, zero touch, balky confidence, and really dumb decisions and game management. that ain’t changing. time to let the young guy go.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Both players are “the young guy” here. Anderson hasn’t been great, I know that as well as anyone. What completely mystifies me here is the timing. Anderson played fairly well yesterday, why put the loss on him and also only give Brady three days? I think Anderson going 20-33 for 273 yards (roughly his numbers assuming our receivers could actually catch) with two touchdowns wins the Broncos game easily. Why change now?

by fwembt on Nov 3, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that certainly the sequential three-and-outs were a major factor. The Browns defense isn’t top-notch by any measure, but they are much better this year than they were last year. Still, if you don’t give your average D time to rest, they will start to break down. And when they do make a stop only to find that they’re going out on the field again after four snaps, they probably get a bit demoralized. Edwards and Anderson may not weigh as much as Rogers, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy to carry them for the entire second half.

As to why the defense couldn’t get any time off the field, you definitely have to consider Anderson a factor. However, you also have to ask why Chud kept insisting on throwing Lewis against the middle of the line. (Wanted to see if he would stick?) And considering that we were going against a depleted secondary, shouldn’t receivers have been able to get open? I think I’d have to call this a team loss.

All of that aside, the Browns have nothing to lose by starting Quinn now, giving him some experience, and giving the organization some time to evaluate their QB situation for the coming season. Downside: He has to start on a short week (though he’s supposed to be ready to step in at any time). Bonus: He starts at home against a shaky and injury-riddled defense. Maybe, just maybe, he’ll provide that intangible spark that gets the rest of the offense focused.

Another idea just popped into my head: He spent most of his time practicing with the backup receivers, but the Browns are down to only one true starting receiver. So Quinn might actually have better chemistry with the rest of the receiving corps. Anyways, what do we have to lose?

by JustBob on Nov 4, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve lost patience with the Horse Balls depcition of DA. It’s true that he tends to “throw the dice” and sling the ball into places that may yield results. But, it’s a disservice to those who manage risk intelligently. Anyone can take risk. You get productivity when risk is managed. DA’s willingness to take risk isn’t coupled with a knowledge of how and when to best take the risk. Not saying I want the timidity of a Jeff Garcia back. DA isn’t the worst qb ever, it’s that his backup should have a chance to show that he’s a better risk manager and a more accurate passer and a better team leader.
And based on DA’s numbers throughout his college career and pro career, DA has never shown ability to know when and how to take on risk.

by elsandito on Nov 3, 2008 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue that the offense blew it and that Anderson played like complete crap. Inconsistancy with a sub50% completion ratio does not qualify as a “very slightly above average” performance. Its total crap! His inconsistent play kills momentum both sides our team. You cant have back to back to back to back 3 and outs and expect our defense to be able to hang. The defense is an underrated group that has a shitty rating due to our inept offense. The D cant stay out on the field for an entire quarter, totally unreasonable. It’s part of the offense’s job to eat up some clock to keep the Defense fresh. Inconsistant play from QB has killed this team.

by vegasbrown on Nov 3, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly the time for the QB to step on the other teams’ throat, not choke his own with both of his hands.

by fivekmd on Nov 4, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or the defense to not give up a 3rd and 16. 27-13 is not a lead that should be surrendered. Ever. Certainly not to Flacco, Clayton, Rice and Mason. Bad game for the defense.

by fwembt on Nov 4, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The offense has to help out the defense at some point. The Browns offense ran 15 plays in their last 5 meaningful drives.

Consistently being on a short field will end up killing a defense no matter how good it is.

The Browns defense should have done a better job at holding a 14 point lead. But if the offense could have gotten at least a couple of first downs, the Ravens offense wouldn’t have a had a chance to tie it up let alone take a lead.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 5, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In the same way that we wouldn’t judge a starting pitcher after just one game, we shouldn’t be judging DA based on yesterday’s performance.

So in looking at what he’s accomplished, or what he hasn’t, thus far, it’s hard to argue with a move this week, next week, or last week. Looking at the remaining schedule, and grasping at more straws than even Chris would admit to, getting to a record above .500 seems pretty difficult at this point. If this team turns the ship around, it won’t be because of DA, and it might not even be because of Brady. The entire team needs to figure out what it hasn’t yet for them to succeed in the next 8 weeks.

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by rolub on Nov 3, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to kind of agree. Seems like they’re setting up Brady to fail.

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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to hear the reasoning behind this.

by gahnki on Nov 4, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way. The guy hasn’t played for the first 1.5 seasons of his career. If he can’t handle this game mentally, then he shouldn’t be palying in the NFL

by Roger Dorn on Nov 4, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Horse Balls and Cribbs dragged an otherwise realcitrant team to a 14 point lead and then watched the defence blow it.

Wait… did you watch that game?

Last I checked, when the offense doesn’t show up for the second half of a football game the team tends to lose, period. How is this a reflection of the Browns defense?! According to Dilfer they’re not getting off the field though as soon as they do they have to turn around and get right back ON it! How many three and outs did the Browns have in the second half on Sunday? How incredible was the Ravens’ starting field position nearly the whole game?! Give even a mediocre offense the ball on or near the 50 every two minutes and I guarantee they’ll put up some numbers.

The problem is, when DA has a good game (i.e. is accurate, makes good decisions, doesn’t force the ball into double coverage, etc…) the Browns win. That happens once in a blue moon.
On Sunday he was throwing at his receivers’ knees, throwing bullet screen passes unnecessarily, and making BAD decisions (DUMP IT OFF TO WRIGHT WHO’S STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC BEHIND THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE (I.E. HE’S NOT GETTING THE FIRST DOWN FROM THERE!) ON 3RD AND 8 DOWN BY 3 WITH THREE MINUTES LEFT IN THE FOURTH QUARTER AND HAND THEM A PICK 6?!!!).
Frankly it’s absolutely moronic if they DON’T make this move. Anderson is not good. He’s not leading this team and they’re all over the place on every down. Just look at his posture after nearly every bad play! Shoulder’s hunched, head down, when he does look up he just looks desperate. The guy cannot play through adversity. When things are going well he’s great. When things go poorly he’s not. It’s not a reflection of his personality. He’s just not getting the job done and more importantly at this point he doesn’t believe he can.

by dmadcat on Nov 4, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When things are going well he’s great. When things go poorly he’s not. It’s not a reflection of his personality.

Maybe not a reflection of his personality, but probably a reflection of his intelligence.

Did anyone else find his celebration at the end of the first half to be a little over the top? After he managed to complete a couple of 15 yard passes to get the team into long FG range, he ran off the field and into the tunnel with his helmet raised when Dawson made the 54-yarder. Aside from the fact that there were still 8 seconds left and the rest of the team remained on the sidelines, should any NFL QB be celebrating as if he’d won the Super Bowl in that scenario? Especially after an otherwise uneven – and arguably poor – first half performance by the offense? While there’s nothing wrong with enthusiasm (just ask Brett Favre), there is something wrong with celebrating mediocrity in such a juvenile way.

I can’t help but think that DA is nothing more than a classic stereotype: a million dollar arm with a ten cent head. Certainly he’s had his moments of greatness, but his inability to compartmentalize and improve his mental approach to the game will consistently hold him back as an NFL passer. And while there are no guarantees that Quinn will be any more effective in this respect, I echo the sentiment of most that there’s no better time to find out than the present.

by jjfoosk on Nov 4, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I want Quinn to start, but I believe it would be smarter if we waited 1 more week. Giving Quinn 3 days to prepare is a setup for him to fail.

by kjc on Nov 3, 2008 9:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

or a ready excuse in case of failure

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Nov 4, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Over on the Broncos blog someone suggested that we may have been prepping Quinn for specifically this game all season.

I don’t think it is unlikely that someone somewhere said “just focus on the Denver game, we aren’t going to play you before then unless DA gets hurt”. Maybe not during week 1, but I don’t think it was out of the realm of possibility right before the Giants game.

by rufio on Nov 4, 2008 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Goodness this Team is 3-5. Traded No. 1 pick to get the guy, DA hasn’t looked like Dan Marino the last time I checked. GIve Quinn the chance, see what the man can do, he deserves that much.

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by Grockcubs on Nov 3, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Exactly. We cannot go into next season without knowing exactly what we have on our hands

by Roger Dorn on Nov 4, 2008 8:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would guess Romeo is a short-timer, following his 2005 classmate Mike Nolan out of the head coaching fraternity. How much respect will the players have for a coach who isn’t even trusted to decide who starts at QB. It’s not like the players are going all out for him now.

by palcal on Nov 4, 2008 2:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know why they waited till now to start Brady; if they had started him last week, or earlier, their could’ve been a chance he would’ve taken 55% of the snaps at QB this season. If he had done so, he would’ve received a ton more money. So Savage possibly sacrificed our season (by not starting Brady sooner) to avoide paying him more money!!!!

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by kardiackids2007 on Nov 4, 2008 8:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

that’s one of the least well-thought out arguments i think i’ve ever heard. if the browns legitimately thought playing quinn would have given them the best chance to win, you think they’d worry about a couple million $? you seem to forget the added revenue boost from winning: merch sales, playoff tickets, added exposure in future seasons…

not to mention, lerner doesn’t give a sh*t about $2mm in escalators, he just wants to win.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 4, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If nothing else, the excitement surrounding the arrival of the most recent Browns messiah will divert attention from all the other areas of the team which have been less than optimal (the run defense, Braylon Edwards’ dropsies, the general inability to put two NFL-quality wide receivers on the field at the same time, the generally poor linebacker play, the injuries in the secondary, etc.). Maybe now that the heat’s on somebody else, those other players who have been underperforming will step up their play.

Sorry, DA, somebody had to be thrown under that bus for the good of the team. If you’d shown up for more than the Giants’ game, it wouldn’t have been you.

by woodsmeister on Nov 4, 2008 8:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The success of hitting the third down pass, keeps your defense rested. Possessing the ball minimizes the number of plays the opposing team gets to play against your defense and keeps your defense fresher. Is it a stretch to think DA’s failure to connect on possesion passes exposes our defense?

by elsandito on Nov 4, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you have a point there. However, the defense still has to step up. When the Browns got a two touchdown lead, it wasn’t DA’s fault that the defense let a rookie qb convert a 3rd and 16. It wasn’t DA’s fault that they let Ray Rice rush for 150+ yards. I think our defense gets exposed because our linebackers aren’t very good (with the possible exceptio of D’Q) and we insist on playing a scheme that puts the onus on our not-very-good linebackers to be our primary playmakers. Why Crennel is not being held accountable for the performance of the defense is mind-boggling to me.

I’m not trying necessarily to be a DA apologist here. I think he shoulders a great deal of blame for this team’s poor performance and I hope like heck that BQ improves the team’s offensive performance significantly and keeps the defense off the field and enhances their ability to perform. What I am saying is that the problems do not begin and end with DA and that scapegoating DA is not going to solve the other problems with this team, though it might take the focus away from them for awhile.

by woodsmeister on Nov 4, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m on record with being an Anderson guy but I think this is the right move. I think it’s apparent what he is, a streaky QB with a big arm and no touch. At worst he will make a great backup/change of pace QB for someone.

Actually, I think this switch should have been done at halftime of the Washington game or immediately after. Perhaps some of you are on to something when you say they have been prepping him for Denver all year. Lets hope you are right because starting basically a rookie QB with a short week of prep time seems like a recipe for disaster.

Lets just hope Quinn comes out and plays well. The worst thing that could happen is a repeat of the Couch/Holcomb fiasco. I pray Quinn plays so well there is no doubt that this is the right decision.

I don’t want to be going into the draft needing a QB.

by mgtbfb on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think rookie Flacco embarrassed Lerner into starting 2nd year Quinn.

by palcal on Nov 4, 2008 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i’ll say it again…no chance lerner had anything to do with this decision. maybe phil called him and told him “i think we’re going to start quinn”, but there is no way randy brought any pressure to bear on this decision. almost to a fault, he gives his football guys (and soccer guys at Aston Villa) rope enough to hang themselves w/ on the field decisions. he is not jerry jones.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 4, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m convinced now that Crennel has said it was his decision.

by palcal on Nov 4, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Winning percentage as Browns coach
Crennel .410
Davis .407

At this rate of improvement, we will have a consistent .500 winner in about 120 years.

by palcal on Nov 4, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brady taking over has benn a fait accompli. Now we see what our future looks like.

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

by BringBackKosar on Nov 5, 2008 9:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Derek had a half of a season to prove that he wasn’t a fluke. He has played poorly in the majority of games this year.

Brady Quinn has had a year and a half to prepare. He has to know this offense backwards and fowards at this point. He played on national TV every Saturday and will not be fazed by the bright lights.

He is facing the 26th ranked pass defense in the NFL. DA had his shot and he did not do as well as we would have hoped. Now Brady has an 8 game window to make his mark.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 5, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

O line

The game is won or lost on the line. So the real question is whether or not the O-line is going to protect our Lord and Savior— Brady Quinn. Will he be the next Couch? What if he stinks it up?
That said, I’m excited to see Quinn get the nod.

DP

by oddjobdrummer on Nov 5, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think our offensive line will suddenly start having problems protecting Quinn.

Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.

by ChrisPokorny on Nov 5, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another dimension to this decision, which I have not yet read anywhere is that it preserves a measure of DA’s value for an offseason trade. If the Browns had benched him halfway through the Bengals game in Week 4, his performances against New York and Jacksonville would not have rehabilitated his value. This is important as I believe he is now a tradeable commodity, whereas after one half in Cincy and the debacle in Baltimore his value was at a new low.

by NickFantana on Nov 6, 2008 11:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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