Trent Dilfer Rips Browns Decision to Start Brady Quinn
by Midwest Sports Fans on Nov 3, 2008 6:49 PM EST
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PrintOn the radio today, former Browns QB Trent Dilfer ripped the organization's decision to start Brady Quinn.
As far as Dilfer is concerned, the organization caved into the demands of the fans in benching starting QB Derek Anderson in favor of the fan favorite and Ohio native Quinn.
Dilfer cited the poor WR play as a primary culprit in Anderson's struggles and doesn't necessarily think that Quinn will do a whole lot better. He also thinks that Phil Savage and the Browns brass have made a habit of giving into whatever the fans want.
It does look a little strange that Romeo said earlier today that DA would be the starter and then work gets out that Brady will start. I'm pretty sure that "word" was not supposed to be leaked because it makes the Browns look a little foolish.
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Trent Dilfer Rips Browns Management for Quinn Decision
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by Midwest Sports Fans on Nov 3, 2008 7:03 PM EST reply actions
We don’t expect BQ to do much better than DA for awhile. And if he doesn’t, exactly what would it prove? Is Dilfer arguing that DA gives the team a better chance to win right now? At the expense of our future? How can anyone defend a guy who cannot read defenses, throws into coverage and misplays 10 yd passes?
Trent Dilfer is a moron.
He has a lower career passer rating than Charlie Frye.
I guess Frye has a career at ESPN waiting for him as a football “expert”…
Yea, he had a lower passer rating on the Browns because of one reason.
ITS THE BROWNS! Im pretty sure Trent Dilfer HELPED lead a team to a superbowl and win. I forgot what team that was though, anyone here tell me? They had some 38 year old linebacker, forgot his name. And Dilfer HELPED contribute to 12 straight wins, including the playoffs and superbowl. Just cannot think of that team’s name. Anyone here tell me?
I’m also pretty sure that the Ravens cut him and then didn’t even invite him to the ring ceremony.
by Estonianzulu on Nov 3, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
We did invite him to the ring ceremony...
but we did cut him.
No defending Trent Dilfer, he was a mediocre QB that always felt it was someone else’s fault that he sucked. The fact that he’s better than 2/3 of the other QBs we’ve started in Baltimore says something I don’t want to think about.
Dilfer didn’t help the team to the super bowl, he just eff things up for the defense and the running game.
Finally
I don’t expect him to play brilliantly in his first start. Just competently. Now we’ll see if he’s going to be our guy or not. Only sad thing about it is that it seems to be a capitulation of the season, but the Browns would need a lot of help right now, even for the #2 wild card slot.
DILFER WAS RIGHT
Trent Dilfer hit the nail right on the the head. No other city lets it’s fans run the franchise like the browns. Now i find myself rooting for the browns to get their asses beat and for quinn to suck.
We traded up for a first round QB, we mortgaged our future on Quinn. Meanwhile our starting quarterback had a sub 50% completion percentage and jus t cost us any chance at a division win and almost any chance at a wild card berth by throwing a pick six.
Is there any Franchise that wouldn’t start Quinn? The fans in Baltimore would be chanting for Flacco if Boller had been starting with these numbers, but would you be saying the same thing to them?
Bullshit. Did the Bears fans not run off Grossman? The Denver fans ran off Jake Plummer also. If you believe in the notion that fans are really making coaching decisions, it’s more like they are “greatly influencing” the decision since ultimatley the fans pay the freight. BTW, fans never run winners out of town or to the bench.
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i cant stomach browns fans anymore. i just cant. you all know that if braylon actually caught a pass or two and if donte/kellen/joey j were all healthy it would be a completely different story with DA. you cant blame DAs bad competition percentage on him. hes throwing to Steptoe and Cribbs for crying out loud! ive been a browns fan since as long as i can remember and i dont know if i can take it anymore
do you watch the games, or just look at the boxscores because you had too many busch lights on sunday afternoon? it’s not about judging DA off of one archaic stat… it’s about watching how he manages each down, each situation, and how he executes. I’d be generous if I gave him a C- grade on the first half of the season.
While I’m not going to excuse Braylon’s drops, I’ve seen one too many throws land at the feet of the receiver this year. And by one too many, I mean about 4 per game.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
Amen!
I agree wholeheartedly, and it’s the most unfortunate part of this whole thing. DA’s play has been better lately, and his “superstar” skill players around him on the offense have not helped him out at all.
That being said, DA is not good enough to overcome any failures on the part of the guys around him. That leaves very little room for error on the Browns O. Is that a QB you want to build around for the future? That’s debatable. But the way all of this came down, with DA looking like the scapegoat, is really unfortunate.
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by Midwest Sports Fans on Nov 4, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
look its as simple as this. Until the browns get their front office straight from the GM down to the Head Coach, nothing will ever change. it doesn’t surprise me that everyone on here is so happy that Quinn is starting. Just wait. ill even give him a free pass this thursday (short week, whatever). we’ll see after the monday night game how big the erection is that you all have for him. I wonder if all the browns fans start booing K2, will they bench him too? This is just another knee-jerk reaction in the long history of the “get rich quick” decisions that the browns have made. Dont you guys see the pattern?
do a little digging for me. The year after Tom Brady won his first superbowl, the Pats went 9-7 and didnt even make the playoffs. Why is that do you think? maybe because the rest of the AFC East studied him and made adjustments. The next year (brady’s 3rd season as a starter) they went 14-2 and won the Superbowl. It takes time for QBs to develop. How many quarterbacks are the browns going to have? this is their 11th since 99. thats close to a new one each year? how are you supposed to develop anyone in a year?
you all think that just because you are one of the most loyal and devoted fan bases that a championship should just be given to you. it doesnt work that way. the browns need to quit throwing haymakers and actually be patient and take the time to develop a winner. its not hard. look at who is at the top. find what they have in common. The league is set up so that the poor playing teams can improve every year, why is it that the browns always have a top 10 draft pick (excusing the trades)? im not buying into this anymore. you are so thirsty for a winning team that you’ll drink whatever comes out of the tap.
Quinn is not the answer. A new GM and a new HC is.
the same argument you make for it taking time for QBs to develop is even more apt when talking about front offices/coaching staffs. You cannot build a contender in one draft and one offseason. The personnel that Savage has put together is leaps and bounds ahead of anything we’ve seen since returning to the league. I’m not a Romeo-backer, but this season is only Chud’s 2nd as OC.
Changing out the QB is replacing a cog in the machine (albeit a larger cog than most). Changing the FO/HC would be throwing out the machine.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
for some reason I didn’t complete my Romeo/Chud thought:
The coaching staff has undergone a big change in replacing Grantham and Carthon under the current head coaching regime. Making a decision based on the first 8 games of Tucker’s tenure, or 24 of Chudzinski’s (which has been fairly successful, mind you), would be no more diligent than making a move on DA after 2 games. The difference is, the coaching staff is not making a knee-jerk reaction on benching DA after a bad game or two. They see him every day in practice, something that we don’t. They remember the 2nd half of last season, where he flat-out stunk. during the past season and a half, DA’s been more bad-DA than good-DA.
And I clarify that I’m not a Romeo-backer, because I’m a Browns-backer. I’m no ND-fanboy that wants to see my hero start either. I want to see the players out there that are best for the team now and in the near future, and I don’t see how throwing D.A. out there week after week is going to help.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
They also have a much better grasp on what DA is thinking. They know if they trust him to audible, they know if he knows how to read a defense (awaiting obligatory joke about how of course he cannot read a defense because of his play this year), they know how football smart he is. They also have a lot more information about Brady’s mental capacity than we do.
I am really with Dorn, here.
Listen, we just cannot afford to let Quinn continue to be an unknown commodity going into next season. Simple as that.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 4, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would go so far as to say that the DA era in Cleveland is over. No matter what BQ does from here on out, he’s the face of the Browns. He would have to be even worse than DA over the next 24 games to be replaced. Don’t even think about comparing BQ’s performance to DA because the FO won’t be thinking that way. DA will either be traded, waived or made to be a backup.
WELL PUT
yes i can see that and thats a very good point, but…based upon RAC’s decisions (clock management, personnel etc.) i do not believe that he is a winner. I agree that Savage has tried to put together a winning team on the field, but this move for Quinn is like falling back into an old habit. Fuck Couch Go Holcomb. wait, Fuck Holcomb Go McCown. wait, Fuck McCown Go Garcia. wait, Fuck Garcia go Dilfer, and so on and so on until now when browns fans are booing the only Pro Bowl QB they’ve had since Kosar.
I understand where you are coming from. However, i do not think that the Browns will beat the Steelers or anyone in the playoffs in the next 5 years. i just dont see it. I like your analogy for a cog/machine. that makes alot of sense. I just dont think that Quinn will do any better than DA. I think the problem is waaaaay bigger than who is starting at QB.
I am sick of the QB carousel too. But take an honest look back. Are ANY of those guys guys you want leading the Browns? You can make a case for Garcia, and he should never have been picked up to run our offense. He is/was money in a West-Coast O, but pretty terrible otherwise.
5 years is a lot of time. In less than 5, we have gone from a bunch of no talent clowns to many fans expecting to make the playoffs this year. In 5 years, Kelly Gregg will be 37, Trevor Pryce will be 38, Ray Lewis 38, Ed Reed 35, Casey Hampton 36, James Harrison 35, Larry Foote 33, Troy Polamalu 32.
Half of those guys and many of the younger talented players on those respective teams won’t even play for the same team.
Adrian Peterson alone brought the Vikings from “joke” to “playoff expectations”. That’s one draft pick. 5 years is a long time in NFL years, my friend. It would be ignorant to doubt the possibility that the entire landscape of the NFL could be different by then.
NFL YEARS
i understand that 5 years is a while but based upon the browns history, i dont see them changing anything than letting the city and fans down. even with a playoff berth, do you see them winning? probably not because chances are they split (at best) with the steelers. so they’d probably face them in the first round like a few years back. Shouldve won that game but somehow, someway, they found a way to blow it. O.I.C. Only in Cleveland does shit like that happen. (okay, maybe in detroit and cincci too lol).
Yes AP brought alot to the table for the Vikings but are they really going to go deep in the playoffs? cmon now. i know i know, one draft pick. imagine a great qb draft pick for minn. right? we’ll have to wait and see.
good point in pointing out all those other guys ages. but how old will Woodley be and Big Ben and Parker and Holmes and Gay, and even Ray Rice? And dont forget that a 40 yr old WR for Baltimore just had a field day against us.
the browns WILL be a completely different team in 5 years and thats not exactly a good thing. because they’re not bad (player wise) now. stop going to the cleveland clinic for starters. haha. The player personnel i like but the coaching is horrible and the knee jerk reactions have driven me crazy. The browns never see something through. know what i mean?
The Browns are not bad? The defensive backfield and LB crew has been cobbled together from spare lawnmower parts. Most of the offensive line was imported from other teams that preferred other linemen. Jamal Lewis had his best years in Baltimore. Our Browns are very far from a finished product. The marketing buzz is that we are here to compete right now, but that’s MARKETING BUZZ. Look for Savage to make nominal improvements each year. I expect he’ll go to work improving the def. backfield during the next off season.
I know it is frustrating to not see something through, and I am not sure plugging Brady in will simply smooth things over. We have to get more of a look at him though. Is QB still a piece we need, or are we set? I don’t think we can say for sure until we at least play him in the regular season.
The Vikings could win the SB like the Ravens with a QB who doesn’t mess up, and who makes a couple of plays a game if their D were to step up to how it should be playing. The comparison is there. It wouldn’t be easy, but they could do it. I’d say it is a lot less likely they would be in the NFC championship or SB year after year.
ben, Flacco, Woodley, and all of the young guys will be in their primes in 5 years. Hopefully Braylon, whatever QB we have, our DBs, and our new crop of monster LBs (that we have left to draft) would be in their primes as well. I am just saying that this league changes on a week to week basis and predicting that far ahead its even hard to think of what might happen because things are so fluid.
There is no reason to believe that because it hasn’t happened yet that it can’t happen in the future. Red Sox? I am sure the Cubs will win a series someday, too.
good point
good points. do you honestly think that the browns will change their history of bad draft picks (i know k2, braylon, JT, and possibly BQ were good picks but Wimbley is a bust, Jackson is so-so, and the verdict is still out on wright). For every good pick theres a courtney brown.
No talent evaluator ever bats one thousand. Of course there will be some choices that don’t pan out. It’s a question of whether that evaluator’s choices pan out more often than others’. I am not impressed without LB core, but most teams don’t have all league players at every position. You have to live with filler material until you acquire better players.
I think its the coaching more than DA
DA and Edwards inconsistencies aside, better coaching would have won the Ravens game. The killer instinct was taken away from both the offense and the defence by coaching decisions (e.g. taking out the first string defense after their second third quarter touchdown for 6 plays). This wasn’t a game you could back off from, regardless of the lead.
I am tired of this idea that it was the fans call.
That is total BS. You think Romeo and Phil give a crap what the fans think? There concern is to win football games. It is obvious that Quinn was close to getting in against the Bengals, and DA had a strong 2nd half. Now on top of last week and the bad game against the Skins, Quinn is the QB So this notion by Dilfer and others is ridiculous.This franchise we well know is dying for a winner, it is obvious, so if we boo DA because he didn’t come through in the 4th quarter that happens. Like other fans don’t boo, please.
Quinn has to get the chance, heaven forbid he sits all year, the Browns go 6-10 or 7-9, DA holds onto the job, and there sits Quinn for another year not knowing what he is capable of. In that scenario I could see the Browns trading Quinn for a 2nd rounder, and then what?
But I agree with others, and what I have stated since day one of the Romeo show, he is not a head coach in this league. Enough. Develop some man parts Lerner and hire Cowher to run this team. PERIOD
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I guess my predictions after the Browns lost to the Ravens the first time are coming true!
See my post from 9/23/08 after we lost to the Ravens and we were sittin solidly at 0-3.
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2008/9/23/620096/can-you-say-5-11-christ-he
So lets see what Quinn can do. Can’t be any worse than DA. DA and Crennel both need to take a leadership course and grow a pair. Maybe the two of them can watch some old close games and learn a few pointers on CLOCK MANAGEMENT!!!
by BROWNS GREATEST SEASONS 1996 1997 1998 on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 PM EST reply actions
Dilfer is Dead on!!
Please — if half of the passes were actually caught maybe the Browns would win!!!!!
Dilfer is using this move by the Browns to make a name for himself in the media.
When does anybody else listen to this guy? He had a few supporting comments on Alex Smith in S.F. (that should show his naivety).
Just because he played sparingly for the Browns does not give him any more objectivity to make these statements than I have. I see Dilfer everywhere, beaming just because people are asking his opinion. To me, this guy’s opinions are just as worthless as MeShawn’s.
Every time I watch a Browns game with my best friend, the QB (either Frye or D.A.) throws a Pick6 near the end of the game. And that screen pass to Suggs? C’mon. QBs need to be smart with the ball.
You guys should have put Brady in after the bye week. Poo on Crennel for taking so long just cuz Savage paid out $$$ to keep D.A. around. A guy can only get so many chances. Has nothing to do with fan choices. Brady is the face of the franchise and I guarantee he won’t be throwing passes into the feet of the WRs.
George Teague did it all.
If only Dilfer was right, and the fans DID get what they want. Hmmm:
*Jerome Harrison would probably get the ball more than once a game
*Every set of downs would not consist of run, run, pass-attempt, punt
*You wouldn’t have to break a $50 bill to purchase a couple crappy plastic cups of beer and a hotdog at Cleveland Browns Stadium (don’t even get me started on the price of tix)
*Trent Dilfer would never have been named starting QB for the Browns – not in ’05, not ever.
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