Our Defense, And How We Can Effectively Use Kamerion Wimbley
Yes, you did read that correctly. No, I did not make a typo. I believe we can use Wimbley effectively and get him back to playing at a respectable level for a first round pick.
First, a few things about the 3-4 defense and what we aim to do with it. To rush the passer and probably more directly to stop the run, defenses talk of the offensive line in terms of "gaps". These are simply the spaces between offensive linemen. Gaps are lettered (starting with A) from the Center's left and right continuing outward.
In a "one gap" system, defenders are each assigned a gap, and they are responsible for runners running through that gap. If you are given the A gap to the Center's left, you need to "shoot" that "A gap" immediately after the snap of the ball, tackle any RB coming through it, or use that gap en route to the QB. Simple, right?
Now, where a defender is going is not the same as where a defender lines up. For various reasons (some which I will discuss later), defenders won't always line up directly in front of the gap to which they are assigned. The lateral area where a defensive lineman lines up is called a "technique". Techniques are numbered, starting with the "zero technique" where a DT lines up with his nose directly over a Center's nose.
Note that the numbers refer to where the nose/physical center of the defensive player would be. The mystified "three technique" DT would therefore be a DT who lines up with his nose on the outside shoulder of the OG. These Glenn Dorsey-types of guys typically are disruptive, penetrating types of players who shoot the A, B, or C gaps and can get to RBs before they hit the line of scrimmage, as well as sack the QB.
So how does our defense work? As opposed to traditional 4-3 systems, and some 3-4 systems (such as the one San Diego ran when it's defense was top notch), we do not assign our defensive linemen gaps to shoot. Our 3-4 relies upon defensive linemen to "two gap", or draw double teams. This is why we need absolutely huge guys like Shaun Rogers, and why all of our DL is well over 300 lbs. Two gapping typically involves rushing directly at an offensive lineman, engaging him/pushing him straight back, and then being able to tackle a runner coming to either side of him.
Rogers is usually at a 0 or 1 technique, right on the C, and our DEs are typically at the 4, "4.5"(right over the OT), or 5 technique. Here, if the RG and LG choose to help blocking the DL, the ILBs can flow to the ball carrier unblocked, and stop him for a short gain. If the OGs choose to leave the line alone and block the ILBs, EVERY gap on the OL should be filled by the line: we allow the offense to pick it's poison.
So, if the offense is passing the ball, and everyone does their job, any LB we choose to send should be free to get to the QB. That rarely ever happens. Not only can offenses go to 3- or 5-step drops to get the ball out quickly, but we often send the same LB who makes the same move every time. Usually, if we send more than 3 rushers, it looks like this:
The offense slides the protection one way, double teaming Rogers (because if you block him 1 on 1, you lose). How many times have you seen Kamerion Wimbley try to run to the QB, while the LT just pushes him out of the way? This "sliding" of protection typically works because it takes Rogers 2-3 seconds to get through the double-team, Wimbley gets neutralized, and our DEs can't beat an OT one on one. By the time anyone gets off their block, it takes a good 3+ seconds to get to the QB because offenses often keep at least 1 of the TE, FB, or RB in to pass block adding a second line of defense in pass pro. 4 seconds is too long to ask any secondary to cover.
Part of what I am proposing will never happen because Romeo, for whatever reason (lack of experience/talent in the secondary, lack of decent LBs, philosophical differences, lack of intelligence on defense, etc) refuses to put in a lot of complex things for our defense. He also doesn't like to one-gap a whole lot from what I can tell.
Regardless, I propose we take Wimbley and move him over to the LOLB position for a play or two every game. Then, we have our RDE line up at the 4 technique inside the LT, and Rogers shifts to the 1 technique on the C's left. The LDE lines up at the 4.5 technique as normal.
Another thing that is different here is walking the ROLB, ILB, and FS up closer to the line of scrimmage. Having this many guys so close to the line is called having "8 in the box", but more importantly for us here, we are "showing" blitz. Based on what a QB would be seeing right now, he would have to account for a blitz, particularly from the (defense's) right side, where we have the possibility of sending 6 players. The NT, RDE, ROLB, both ILBs, and the FS could all blitz on the right side of the formation.
Because we are threatening to blitz from the (defense's) right, the offense must again shift it's pass protection to that side (see the diagram above). The QB will also probably be thinking of a short route he can throw to in case we send all 6 blitzers and one or more of them is left unblocked. We don't send blitzers from that side at all:
Instead, the FS, ROLB, and ILBs all drop in to shorter zones. The SS and the CBs are all in deep zone, putting us in a Cover-3. After watching the Denver game, I can say with confidence we like playing cover 3/cover 1. On to the line: the RDE shoots the B-gap between the LT and LG. Rogers shoots the A gap between the C and RG. He gives the RG a choice: block me, or leave me 1 on 1 with the C, which will result in me sacking the QB. The LDE engages the RT, and tries to move him as far away from the RG as possible.
Wimbley, who is the LOLB here, is the last person blitzing. We all know Wimbley is anatomically imbalanced and can only run quickly while curving to his left. This play is perfect for him: with the RG trying to block Rogers, and the LDE occupying the RT, Wimbley can "stunt" inside of the RT--while running in a curve to his left, mind you--and get to the QB unblocked.
Whichever back blocks should be shifted to block the blitz we were showing. The blitz never comes from that side, and if he can get a piece of Wimbley, he won't slow him down much. We showed blitz, gave the offense the impression we were doing one thing, and then did something else. I believe this play, combined with one where we actually DO blitz from the defensive right, would be effective. Not only would we probably get pressure, we could probably get it while only rushing 4, and dropping 7 in to coverage. It's not the "bend don't break" philosophy that is so frustrating about our defense, to me it is the lack of creativity.
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Fantastic post once again rufio. I never understood what football analysts meant when they talked about gaps and techniques and this helped to explain it. I hear you talk about what kind of LB’s and DL’s we need for a 3-4 and how it’s different than a 4-3 but I have no idea why that is or how those players are used. Thanks for breaking this down for us and showing it with pictures. That’s really cool.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 30, 2008 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, your post expands my football knowledge. Thanks.
Can you please forward this to RAC somehow?
by PDXBrown on Dec 1, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Browns gave a field goal to the Colts and Peyton Manning today.
Appreciate all the work and effort Rufio.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Nov 30, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We don’t have linebackers that can run. If you want to play a two gap scheme then you need to be able to have linebackers that can clean up. Wimbley is the only one that can run. Davis/McGinest are a joke, Orr is nothing, and the rest don’t make an impact.
Today, we experimented with a multi-gap attack.
Rogers played head up on the center, and we put three other down linemen into a single gap. It confused the heck out of the Colts O-line.
A two gap scheme typically stunts much, much less (sometimes never) than a one gap scheme. The down linemen have to control the gaps immediately so there is almost always less creativity with stunting/crashing/twisting. That is why we see less of it out of the Browns defense.
by gahnki on Nov 30, 2008 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the steelers blitz non-stop out of their version of the 3-4…are their zone blitzes different from stunts/crashes/twists? or are they just better?
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2008 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A zone blitz doesn’t need stunting and the like to be considered a zone blitz. A zone blitz, by definition, is a blitz with zone coverage behind it. However, I know what you are asking and it needs some background information to be answered correctly.
The 2-gap 3-4 defense is really built to stop the run game first while making some concessions against the pass. When a linemen twists,stunts, or moves laterally it is naturally easier for an offensive linemen to move him forward. The opposing force is not as great when it is moving in the same direction as when it is moving towards you. It’s really not opposing at all. That is why many 2-gap teams don’t gamble with lateral movements on the D-line often.
The Patriots, notably, play a very bland version of the 3-4 defense. They don’t do much stunting at all. Now, there is a more pressure oriented way of approaching it. The Eagles, Ravens, Steelers, and Giants all bring heat often. The key is that these defenses often use one gap schemes within a 3-4 framework. They will often transition into one gap penetration and bring heat from the linebacker position.
Crennel obviously adheres to the Patriots style of doing things although the Browns seem to be mixing things up a little more now.
by gahnki on Nov 30, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the term “zone blitz” can mean more than one thing. The Dick LeBeau zone blitz scheme gets a lot of pressure by blitzing a LB while having a DL drop off in to coverage to “exchange” with that LB.
This type of “zone blitz” accounted for the second (if not both) of Quinn’s INTs in his last game. The WR was running a hook route, Quinn saw the DB behind the WR, but not the DE dropping in to coverage right in front of him, and threw it right to the DE.
When did the Eagles start operating from a 3-4 front?
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A zone blitz really is just zone coverage with blitzing. A lot of TV announcers become confused and think that a zone blitz is only what you described above. It isn’t mutually exclusive yet some of the announcers treat it like it is.
The Eagles/Giants are a base 4-3 team, but they experiment a lot with 3-4 packages on passing downs. They love to drop one of their defensive ends into an outside linebacker position and disguise pressure. Spagnulo, the defensive coordinator at NY, learned everything he knows from Jim Johnson at Philladelphia. The two defenses are very similar.
by gahnki on Dec 1, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spagnulo, the defensive coordinator at NY, learned everything he knows from Jim Johnson at Philladelphia. The two defenses are very similar.
After reading your other post farther down, I can see that you are well aware of this!
by gahnki on Dec 1, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very similar. Spags does some different things, though.
I am saying that a “zone blitz” does not mean just one or the other, but both. In the context of pittsburgh’s D, you would have to go with the “exchange” definition.
“A zone blitz” can refer to either. After a while of people abusing any term, it begins to take on the new “abused” definition, regardless of the original definition or intent of the original phrase-coiner. I don’t know if “zone blitz” originally meant just a blitz while playing zone behind it (it probably did), but even if its only because announcers are dumb it now means both.
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying that a "zone blitz" does not mean just one or the other, but both. In the context of pittsburgh’s D, you would have to go with the "exchange" definition.
I’m not disagreeing with you; just taking an opportunity to rail against terrible announcing.
by gahnki on Dec 1, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our nickel look has mostly been the 4-2-5 and the Colts base offense is 3WR so we were in nickel a lot of the time. Sometimes we also went with a 3-3-5 nickel look. I would love to see us get 4 good LBs and go with a 2-4-5 in order to still be able to blitz with all those LBs.
You are right though, we simply need more LBs. I almost called this “Our defense, why we need new LBs, and how we can effectively use KW”, but figured it was already long enough.
I am advocating we use some one-gap concepts.
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Chicago uses Urlacher a lot to “show blitz”. Against Indy earlier this year, they had two LBs “showing” inside of the DTs. This made the OL adjust, and because Urlacher and Briggs are so fast, they could sill get back in to coverage.
I would LOVE a LB like that.
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add that this was a nice post. I love discussing strategy and game theory.
by gahnki on Nov 30, 2008 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I haven’t watched NE in a long time. Are they really that vanilla now? They used to do a decent amount of confusing things. Not quite on the Jim Johnson/Spagunolo level of stunts/crashes/etc. but a lot of moving people around (i.e. Safeties near the LOS, CBs back off of it), and a lot of “false reads” before the snap.
Do you think they are just saving their playbook assuming they will make the playoffs, or are they just old?
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’ve always been very bland with their defensive line stunting, but I would not be surprised if they have toned everything down because of age. They are actually in a similar position as us at the linebacker position. A lack of talent that they’ve made up for with superior execution/veteran knowledge. We lack the superior execution.
They drafted Jerod Mayo last year, but they have an awful amount of age on that defense. Bruschi is 35, Vrabel is 33, Thomas is 31, and Mayo is the youthful one at 22.
by gahnki on Dec 1, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, as much as I dispise NE they are able to play at a high level mainly because they… just… don’t… make…. mistakes. Hoodie does a great job coaching error free football.
Actually to give credit where it is due we had a pretty good defense back in the heyday of MDP, Eric Turner, Anthony Pleasant and Pepper Johnson. Offense, not our defense is really what held the Browns back from being a legit contender in the early 90’s.
Belecheat has just learned how to run (or LET someone run) great offense. Hitting the ultimate jackpot in the bottom of the draft to score a HOF QB helps a bit there too….. Knowing our luck, had Brady come here he probably would have lasted 2 years as a clip board holder and then left the league.
by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven’t seen Mayo yet. Any good? Is Crable playing for them at all?
Is NE going to make the playoffs?
Their KILLER Dline can’t hurt things. Wilfork, Seymor, Warren and Green are all beasts.
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mayo is better than everyone on the browns. defensive ROY in a walk.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great post, ruf. it’s really a crime that wimbley ONLY either rushes from the qb’s left (ineffectively) or drops into short coverage. moving him around would at least give us a chance to see if there’s any possibility of him ever contributing to this defense again.
by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2008 9:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It will be nice to see if as you all have mentioned, with better coaching, more movement of Wimbley make him a better football player. I think at this point new ideas, fresh knowledge is needed.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Dec 1, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wimbley is surprising me with how good of a cover LB he is. Too bad he isn’t getting to the QB like we had hoped. I think moving him around a little bit and teaching him a power move would help out.
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a fantastic post. You just doubled my understanding of defensive scheming. Thank you, sir.
Now I’m going to spend the whole offseason researching LBs… so I suppose I could curse you for that, but I won’t.
by danvail on Dec 1, 2008 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I second this. Great OP.
Hell, I even COACHED football this year and didn’t know what technique meant in reference to the D-Line! I was a tailback/SS in high school and always wondered what that meant when the coaches and D-linemenreferred to it but felt like I’d sound like a moron for asking.
Great, great post.
by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would definitely like to see the Browns get a LB with speed and grit. I always wondered if our LBs were really that slow or if it was just a matter of perception – like how things sometimes seem to slow down when something really bad is happening.
Seriously, though, thanks for this post. I enjoy watching the game, but never played enough (and never on the DL) to pick up that info.
by JustBob on Dec 1, 2008 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jackson and Wimbley are moderately fast.
We just need to replace one of our slower LBs with someone better than Wimbley or Jackson and it will look like a whole new unit.
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A linebacker with grit? Is Casey Blake available?!?
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 2, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like we should try forcing D’Q to grow a beard before we start using draft picks on new LBs…
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 2, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That only works if Eric Wedge is the coach.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 3, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Browns have played vanilla for the majority of the season, but for a 3-4 game stretch beginning with Cincinnati and ending with Baltimore, we were bringing 5+ guys on a consistent basis. I may be wrong, but it seemed once Mason beat Wright for the go-ahead score on single coverage, in which we were in an all-out blitz, we have rarely sent even 5. Occasionally, we will send Adams, Pool, or Jones, but our backer blitzing seems a thing of this season’s past.
With our backers, blitzing is just not effective. Jackson, the most talented, is too small to blitz the “A” gap. Davis, too slow. Can anyone recall one of our backers making plays off an up-the-middle blitz? I can’t.
Rufio and gahnki, you guys are good, I’d love your feedback.
by dawginphilly on Dec 1, 2008 9:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We’ve been able to flush the QB out of the pocket up the A gap, but not finish the play. I am remembering a play from a night game and the Browns were defending the right endzone on TV. I can’t remember if it was Buffalo or Denver, though. Anyway, Andra Davis got up the gap without being touched, but wasn’t fast enough to track down the QB.
Blitzing up the A gap is not always about power. Even if it was, little guys can be powerful. Remember Mathis knocking Shaffer on his ass on Sunday? Shaffer outweighs him by at least 70 lbs. Maurice Jones-Drew is another little guy who packs a powerful punch. If we did it right (and successfully fooled the offense), we could get our massive defensive line to eat up blockers in such a way that we could send someone untouched up the middle. I bet if I looked at the tape of the Buffalo game I could see how Mitchell was able to get up the middle so easily against us.
by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Andra Davis got up the gap without being touched, but wasn’t fast enough to track down the QB
The one I remember was against Jax, Garrard just ran away from Davis and then ran through our defense for 20+ yards. Very frustrating.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember right Mitchell would wait to right before the snap and just time it right. As soon as Fraley would bring his head up on shotgun snaps, Mitchell would just start running. If Fraley held on to the ball for a half second longer, it would have been offsides at least twice.
The fact that our coaching staff and O-Line couldn’t pick it up and adjust was, and still is, pathetic.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to blame some of it on Quinn, too.
Not that Peyton is a fair comparison for anyone, but how many times have you seen him fake a snap count, have a guy try to time a blitz and show exactly what he is going to do, and then Peyton audibles or adjusts the protection to allow for a successful play?
Even a good old fashioned hard count would slow a MLB down for a few fractions of a second and that’s all it takes.
I don’t think it is entirely fair to blame it on Fraley. He should be more aware and may be responsible for some line calls, but he was probably responsible for someone else. I know our RBs whiffed on Mitchell, but the defensive play designs were good enough that they sucked the OC away from the blitzing LBs.
by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right, size is really not even half the battle, leverage and drive, getting low and keeping the legs moving. That is how MJD is such a stud.
by dawginphilly on Dec 2, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If anyone saw the UF/Bama game today you saw some of the weakness in a 3-4 scheme.
When teams spread you out it is harder to apply pressure without poking holes in a defense. Bama actually played a 4-3 one gap scheme for much of the game, because they were afraid their 3-4 couldn’t stop Florida.
by gahnki on Dec 6, 2008 11:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Except that nobody in the NFL plays Florida’s offense. The spread, like Urban Meyer played it at Utah and Florida, doesn’t work in the NFL.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 7, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indianapolis and New England frequently use spread sets. It is the exact same theory and process without the option element.
That is why the weather was so important to New England when they played Indy in the playoffs in past years. It helped neutralize the ability for Manning to “spread ’em and shred ’em,” so to speak.
by gahnki on Dec 7, 2008 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the main problem with your comparison is that Brady and Manning are far different players than Tebow.
You could also argue that aside from NE’s WRs last year, neither of those teams has as many quality, speedy WRs as Florida. Indy has always had 3 good WR, 1 good TE. I am sure Florida can line a lot more guys who are relatively faster up at WR.
by rufio on Dec 7, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is irrelevant what type of quarterback is in the game. The stress originates from the formation.
Teams experiment with the 33 stack, 30, and numerous other 3 down linemen fronts with subbing out a linebacker on obvious passing downs.. The problem with this comes against teams that run 4/5 wide receiver sets as a base offense. There is no obvious passing down.
A 3-4 is widely known to have trouble with spread sets. They usually have to choose whether to take a risk against the run and play with a 33 front or go to the 4-3 one gap base.
by gahnki on Dec 7, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree about the QB being irrelevant.
You play defense against Mike Vick differently than you do against Drew Bledsoe, period. The threat of a QB run—especially when that QB runs like the fastest fullback you’ve seen—makes you defend differently. Peyton and Brady are going to be in the pocket, and if you have pass rushers like the Giants did, they can just tee off and go get them.
If you have a spread and the QB can’t run, its relatively easy to defend runs. The read option becomes just a draw/zone play. They are all obvious passing downs if you don’t have a QB who can run.
Go watch the tape, seriously. Indy starts 3 WR, 1 TE and 1 RB. We let them score what, 10 points? We went to a 4-2-5 with Wimbley and whoever the LOLB was with their hand on the ground much of the time. We sub out one DL and put in one DB. You are right, we also do a 3-3-5, but again we were not in any sort of “base” defense. I don’t really know what your point is there because we played well against the Colts and that defeats your argument.
You would not switch to a 4-3 base because you would not be playing in your base defense against a 4-wide, 5-wide set. It doesn’t matter if its 3-4 or 4-3, they add up to 7 slow guys and you just don’t match up well against 5-wide. I don’t care if you are the Browns and play a 3-4 base or if you are the Eagles and play a 4-3, you are going to take out one of those 7 guys and put in one DB when you need to match up against obvious passes.
Having Tebow in the game makes the threat of the run more real because if the big uglies all blocked each other, it would leave Tebow one on one with a college-sized CB trying to tackle him. I don’t know who plays for Bama in their nickel package, but Tebow would probably have 35-55 lbs (and a whole lot of momentum) on that guy and a good chance of breaking the tackle. In 2nd/3rd/4th and short situations, even if the nickel back could make the tackle, Tebow could probably still follow forward and pick up the yard he needed to get a 1st down, TD, etc.
by rufio on Dec 8, 2008 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget that almost all 3-4 teams go to a 4 man line when they need to bring in nickel and dime packages.
We would at least go 2-4-5 if we went nickel.
A 4-3-4 (regular) defense would not work against a 5 WR look either. Doesn’t matter if you have 3-4 or 4-3, LBs can’t cover WRs.
by rufio on Dec 7, 2008 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen us go 1-5-5 and 4-2-5 for teams that play with 3 or 4 WR—so it isn’t just other 3-4 teams. Look at the Indy game, Wimbley and McGinest have their hands on the ground.
by rufio on Dec 7, 2008 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Linebackers can rarely cover wideouts, but that is why there is zone coverage. They are not asked to cover wideouts.
by gahnki on Dec 7, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They would still have to cover wideouts in their assigned zone….
by rufio on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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