Anderson sprains MCL

Wow. Just wow.

by Fundamentals on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

DA wasn’t going to improve his trade value. He engineered 2 drives for field goals in the entire game. Whatever you think flatline means, DA is that.

by elsandito on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Can't believe it

I just can’t believe DA is out for the year. What else could go wrong for the Browns this season? I guess we could be 0-12. That’s what it feels like.

by DallasDawgPounder on Nov 30, 2008 6:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Meanwhile, Jeff Garcia is 6-1 as a starter this year and heading to the playoffs for the 3rd straight year.

I guess he wasn’t good enough for the Browns. Of course, we’ve had Dilfer, Frye, and Anderson since Garcia, so i guess we don’t really need a playoff QB.

If DBN had been around 4 years ago, I probably would have been calling for Garcia’s head too, but what kind of front office would pick Dilfer over Garcia?

by palcal on Nov 30, 2008 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Garcia is okay, I don’t see him doing much with our current squad.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 30, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia doesn’t have an arm strong enough for the current scheme. He is a West Coast offense guy.

by gahnki on Nov 30, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I spend my Sundays flipping between the Browns and Tampa as I’ve been a big fan of theirs for about 15 years. Garcia fits well there because he has a defense and credible running game to protect him and is very accurate. Gruden focuses on the short passing game and Garcia can still move and is smart with the football. He probably wouldn’t have near the sucess in Chud’s downfield scheme.

Tampa is the football equivilant of a baseball team that “manufactures” runs. Boring as hell but it gets the job done. They have no real “name” players on the offensive side of the ball but win simply by being efficient.

Another Browns connection in Tampa is Antonio Bryant. He’s their current number one reciever as Galloway finally seems to have hit the wall this year.

by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bryant is a team-killer no matter where he goes. I am glad he’s gone. The SF fans had some hope in him after he left here but caused problems in the locker room and didn’t seem interested in his job.

I completely agree about Tampa.

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just waiting for that Fitzgerald vs Dorsey match up.

Just freaking depressing, hold Peyton to 150 yds passing, 2 picks and a fumble at the goal line, there leading tackler, Brackett gets injured, starting DT also gets hurt, and the Browns muster up 6 points. Jamel complains about the workload gets 24 carries and several of those carries any back with speed (hum, Harrison) would of busted it for long yardage, and of course our weekly complaint of Harrison not getting the ball.
Goodness these next four games will take an enternity, what a mess.

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by Grockcubs on Nov 30, 2008 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure Jared Lorenzen is available, yes? At least we can some humor to the rest of the season.

by DrewskiC on Nov 30, 2008 7:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

er, add some humor

by DrewskiC on Nov 30, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What is Ryan Leaf doing?

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Drugs

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by Harry Doyle on Dec 1, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is Jeff George still available?

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by BringBackKosar on Nov 30, 2008 7:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jason Whitlock is on the phone for you.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 30, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We have Jeff George, his name is DA and wears number 3 just like George did.

by craig19 on Dec 1, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is the perfect situation to put Josh Cribbs under center and see what he has. The season is lost, we have nothing to lose. We already know Dorsey’s ceiling.

by elsandito on Nov 30, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding? Why risk an injury to our best special teams player by forcing him to play a position that he’ll never play again in the NFL. Let Ken Dorsey play four games and see what he has — what could it possibly hurt? Maybe he plays well and proves he can be the backup next year behind Quinn.

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by Buckeye Brad on Nov 30, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+ 1

I love Cribbs but putting him in at QB would be a disaster not to mention losing his presence on ST.

He’d throw 4 picks a game due to lack of experience and possibly get KO’ed by a pass rusher. Tennesse and Pittsburgh have a bit better defensive personnel than Western Michigan or Akron U.

by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

At least if Cribbs throws a pick, we know he would chase down the guy and lay him out.

by thatbrownsguy on Dec 1, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t mind seeing about 25-35% of our offense be Cribbs in the spread.

Shotgun only, Wildcat, Read-option, and option passes.

I bet it would get us one more win, especially against a horrible team.

Of course, this would require either having 4 WR who can play or putting Winslow and Rucker in the slot, so our coaches probably won’t do it. Anyone have game film of Mizzou and how they use Chase Coffman?

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I Remember 1988, Kosar gets hurt, Pagel the backup gets hurt, Gary Danielson gets hurt( I believe on a Monday night game) call in 38 year old Don Strock off the golf course, and the Browns still make the playoffs and lose to Houston 24-23.
Um, I don’t see that happening here, or I should say not under a Romeo Crennel lead team.

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by Grockcubs on Nov 30, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

The way the fans treated DA is embarrassing and ugly. Cheering when he gets hurt? Despicable. I do not want to be associated with this fanbase.

by oxforddave on Nov 30, 2008 10:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

this is total bs. i’m at the front of the line decrying our collective attitude as fans when it’s deserved, but this is fabricated. i just went back to the tivo and watched the entire sequence around when DA got hurt, and the only cheering i could discern was when DA was making his way off the field (as every fan base does whenever someone’s been down for a while, as in “hope you’re ok”), and when dorsey ran onto the field (c’mon ken, show us that hall of fame arm)

we as a fan base deserve plenty of criticism, but this one’s bogus.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Completely agree. I heard some idiots on the radio mentioning the cheering for the injury despite the fact it simply didn’t happen.

by fwembt on Nov 30, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I distinctly remember listening for cheers because I actually thought they would happen, but you are right. There was nothing evident through the television, with if anything indicates that only a small selection of fans actually cheered the injury. I was more upset that Shaffer got completely knocked over backward by a guy 100 pounds lighter than him on a bull rush. I like having Shaffer, but at his salary, I just don’t think he is worth the price

by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2008 8:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK. I was not at the game nor tivo’d it. All I know is what I read, which of course, could easily be false.

In an ugly scene Sunday, some Browns fans cheered when Anderson was injured.

“They were cheering the fact that I was hurt,” Anderson said, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “They don’t like me. That’s well known.”

So yes, hopefully the majority did not cheer. But I’m sure there are some morons who did. Every fan base has their morons. I just wish we had less of them.

by oxforddave on Dec 1, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No one is going to take a stab at a response to DA here?

This season has turned into utter debacle mode with DA being injured. I never disliked the guy, but it has been pretty evident this season that he is not the QB of the future here.

I do wish him a good, speedy recovery and a successful career elsewhere, if that is the path we go on.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Dec 1, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It only takes one drunk moron to give DA that impression. Don’t judge the majority of the fanbase by something dumb a few people did at the game.

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

anderson’s been looking for an excuse to fire up a pity party for himself since he got benched. he was booed and benched b/c of his inability to produce. period. the fans probably went a bit overboard, but it has nothing to do with not liking him. he was the toast of the town last year!
when he sucked this year, he got suck treatment.

again, watching the broadcast, it’s impossible to say his injury was cheered. if he picked out 6 drunk guys (out of the 8,000 people who were left), then that’s on him. the cleveland browns fans as a whole, though, did not cheer his injury. he knows that, and we know that.

shame on the PD, too.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A friend of mine was at the game and said it was clear that cheering started as soon as it was realized that D.A. was hurt. It’s not as if there’s no precedent for Browns fans doing this.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Dec 1, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve defended Browns fans when they were vilified by throwing bottles on the field (totally justified in my opinion).

I understood Browns fans for wanting Quinn to play.

I cringed when I hear about parents trying to bring kids to Browns games and being horrified by the language and behavior.

Finally, I was aghast when I heard about the this DA situation. No one should cheer when someone gets hurt (well, maybe except Ray Lewis). But a member of your own team? Are these guys ready to cheer when Quinn gets hurt after the Browns underperform next year?

As of now I think Cleveland would be better represented without the Browns.

by oxforddave on Dec 1, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you are insane if you truly believe that Cleveland would be better represented without the Browns. the Browns are all many people in Cleveland have left. while that may be a pathetic excuse for a football team this year, the Browns give the people of Cleveland a rallying cry and a chance to be relevant on a national stage that they rarely get (which becomes even more rare with Nat City going away). you’re vastly overreacting to something that may or may not have even happened, and in any case is getting no play in the non-Cleveland media whatsoever.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

First, like those that watched the game, live (I was there) or on tv, have said, the fans didn’t cheer when he got hurt. When Anderson struggled to get up, there was a stir in the crowd as people realized that we were going to see our 3rd string guy. A couple people started saying “Dorsey! Dorsey!” But, really, the only cheering I heard was after he got up and was able to walk to the sidelines, with help. Personally, I think Anderson is just a head case that has absolutely no confidence at all. He might have heard someone say something as he walked off the field, but it wasn’t like the whole stadium was boo’ing him. Not even close.

And to say that Cleveland would be better represented without the Browns is BS. I started tailgaiting at the muni lot at 730 yesterday morning. In crappy weather to see our disorganized and defeated team play a good team, there were thousands out there as always. We were pumped and excited for this game. Why? Because we were going to a CLEVELAND BROWNS GAME!!! Now, I realize that some people that get to go to games all the time might not have been as excited. But I don’t get to go to many games, I have lived too far away the last few years. There was genuine excitement for the first 3 quarters in Cleveland Browns Stadium, despite it being one of the worst offensive games I’ve seen in a long time. When we left, people were dejected. They harassed Colts fans. They got into arguments about Cowher. We were frustrated. But Cleveland’s loyalty and dedication to the Browns remains unquestioned.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 1, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The players believe the injury was being cheered.

by gahnki on Dec 2, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe you meant to link to a different article…but the pluto article that you link to here says absolutely nothing about the players believing that the injury was cheered, and, aside from anderson, i’ve heard nothing of the sort. let’s stop trying to make this into a bigger deal than it is.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 2, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

D’Qwell Jackson confirms players’ reacted to fans’ booing.

at the bottom:

Fan issues: D’Qwell Jackson confirmed a report by a fan who called into WKNR and said some players responded to heckling fans behind the Browns bench. Jackson said the encounter occurred after some fans were cheering Derek Anderson while he was hurt.

“It was a handful of fans,” said Jackson. “We heard the boos, we heard the cheers. When DA went down, there were a few fans behind our bench who were cheering. One guy was clapping. This is the guy’s job. This is how he supports his family. It was just disappointing. It was not all of them at all.”

Crennel said there’s no excuse for players talking to fans during the game.

“Our job is to play the game,” he said. “We shouldn’t even be bothered with the fans in the stands. Let’s concentrate on the job we have to do.”

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Dec 2, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

most important clips from that D’Q quote: “…there were a few fans…who were cheering. One guy was clapping…It was not all of them at all.”

at ANY football game — any sporting event, for that matter — there are bound to be at least 8 a-holes acting stupid out of the 10’s of thousands in attendance. it’s a shame those 8 got right up behind the browns’ bench on sunday, but that is in no way a reflection of the fan base in general. i think d’qwell recognizes that.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 2, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no, it may not have been all of them that were cheering, but i’d be willing to bet that those 8 behind the bench were not the only ones cheering. again, my friend was there, and his exact words were:

I was at the game yesterday and was shocked by the amount of applause Anderson got when he got hurt. Then the place went nuts when Dorsey game in. The Browns are fucking heinous.

granted, the last sentence is irrelevant to this discussion, but i thought i’d quote his entire message.

it’s naive to think only 8 of 60,000+ (about half of whom were liquored up) were cheering when Anderson got hurt. Like I said above, there’s a precedent for this.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Dec 2, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody on this site has defended any amount of fans’ cheering because Anderson got hurt.

Cheering when a guy gets seriously injured is classless and dumb.

I did not cheer when DA got hurt…can you stop lecturing me now?

by rufio on Dec 2, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

“can you stop lecturing me?”

what am I lecturing anybody, let alone you, about?

I was arguing that it did happen (which it did according to multiple reports and not someone’s TIVO recording), not whether it’s right or wrong.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Dec 2, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The article was linked to incorrectly. Here is the correct link.

“That’s dumb,” said linebacker Andra Davis. "You got a guy who’s out there playing his hardest for this city, and that’s ridiculous.

“You couldn’t help but to hear it. That’s the second time. I was here when they did [Tim] Couch like that, and that’s unfair.”

Kicker Phil Dawson said: “It’s disappointing for us players who care about Derek, and it’s disappointing for the true Browns fans who pull for us and show up and cheer for us each week. It makes us all look bad, and anytime you cheer an injury, that’s a sign that your priorities are way out of whack.”

“That’s no class at all,” he said. “He was your quarterback last year and went to the Pro Bowl. Everybody was cheering for him then. For you to cheer for him to get hurt, that’s like me being at your family member’s funeral and being happy they died. But fans are going to jump on the bandwagon and they’re going to jump off.”

That is enough to convince me that some fans were cheering the injury.

by gahnki on Dec 2, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what’s your point? i don’t think anyone here would argue the possibility that some fans were cheering the injury. i’m sure some fans cheer for romeo to stay around, and some fans are convinced that charlie frye is still the best QB for this team. how many is some? and what does that mean? that the whole fan base is tainted?

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

his point? maybe that less than two days ago, you were arguing the possibility that some fans were cheering the injury:

my bold:

this is total bs. i’m at the front of the line decrying our collective attitude as fans when it’s deserved, but this is fabricated. i just went back to the tivo and watched the entire sequence around when DA got hurt, and the only cheering i could discern was when DA was making his way off the field (as every fan base does whenever someone’s been down for a while, as in "hope you’re ok"), and when dorsey ran onto the field (c’mon ken, show us that hall of fame arm)
we as a fan base deserve plenty of criticism, but this one’s bogus.

to me, you seem to be the only one ignoring this. i’m not trying to create or magnify a blackeye on the fans… hell, i’m one of those fans for 5 of the 8 home games this year!

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Dec 2, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The point is that this has become a pattern among our “fans”. I would rather not be associated with a fanbase that cheers when the quarterback is injured.

Obviously, labeling “some fans” as “all fans” is wrong to do, but please name a situation where all fans agree on something or act harmoniously. It just isn’t going to happen so discussing fan behavior is always going to take on some sectionalizing.

The point isn’t that all fans did it; it is that enough did to make it noticeable. That is a problem.

by gahnki on Dec 2, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So what are you going to do? Stop rooting for the Browns because you don’t want to be part of their fanbase? This story is getting blown out of proportion. I am certain there was a small percentage of fans that cheered and those people are a holes. It is not a reflection on the entire Browns fanbase

by Roger Dorn on Dec 2, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously, do I need to start being a Fan Cop or something? What do you want us—sitting here at the computer—to do?

Cheering when he got hurt was wrong. The fact that some fans did sodoes not deter me from cheering for players (who are also opposed to said cheering).

by rufio on Dec 2, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s amazing what the power of media will do. If an outlet like the Plain Dealer asks the question, the quotes get printed. People read them — and then more people give opinions. It’s like a disease that spreads rapidly. All because of a couple of ~~fans~~ clueless wonders who don’t know a thing about football.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 2, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is largely a media creation. I was at the game, and it didn’t even cross my mind that people were cheering because Anderson got hurt. People were clapping that he got up. People were intrigued to see our 3rd string QB. If the Couch situation never happened, this would not have been a story, at all. Of course those players asked: “What do you think of fans cheering your QB because he was hurt?” are going to respond like they did.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 3, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What am I going to do? Nothing. There is nothing to be done. However, commenting on it surely isn’t as heinous as some on here are making it seem.

Sorry if it offends you that the cheering actually took place and people are discussing it. It seems that those who are denying it are having a much more emotional reaction than those that can accept it. That seems very odd.

by gahnki on Dec 3, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope. There is no emotion from me, only the point I made that this story is getting blown out of proportion

by Roger Dorn on Dec 3, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Proportion is relative. A few quotes from players and some commenting on it is not “blowing it out of proportion” to me.

It is not like this has become a big national issue.

by gahnki on Dec 3, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Next year, when Anderson is doing well with the Vikings, he’ll be interviewed by James Brown on the CBS pregame show.

Brown: “…back in your Cleveland days…you were cheered when you got hurt.”

Anderson: “You know what, I’m just glad to be a Minnesota Viking. Those fans did the same thing to Tim Couch once before…It’s refreshing to be received so well by Vikings fans.”

Then, Quinn holds out, Dorsey mentors for Pittsburgh, and the world explodes. The end. ;)

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 3, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Right. This now adds to Browns fan lore. We have cheered two of our QBs when they got hurt. We booed Tim Couch and then he cried in the locker room losing the respect of 95% of the fan base. Browns fans are the reason beer is sold in plastic bottles because we decided to launch projectiles at incompetent referees.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 3, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gahnki- the problem is the people that were there are saying and telling you it didn’t happen. The people that are “accepting it” are getting it from the paper.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 4, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Representation by any major league team is a sign that your community is a large market. We are not Yakima, Santa Rosa or Midland. We are lucky to still have 3 teams.
Having said that, we should recognize that patrons of the opera do not act like patrons of cock fights. Football is a mega violent sport. It does not attract people who fail to see value in the nature of it. Some element of that audience will be boorish, drunk thrill seekers. These people may find humor in almost anything, including injuries to their own team. You will find these fans in every stadium.
If you believe Cleveland would be better off without the Browns, you are saying every city would be better off without their pro football team.

by elsandito on Dec 2, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

at least we only have tennessee, philly, pitt (and cincy) left on the schedule. dorsey (with Buckeye Brad as the backup) should tear those JV defenses up.

by DontCallMeJoey on Nov 30, 2008 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Haha - you wouldn’t want me playing QB for a flag football team. I was a horrible athlete even before my car accident last year; now I can’t run and can only walk slowly with a cane. So my scrambling would make Bernie Kosar look like Terelle Pryor. I’m pretty sure every member of this site would make a better QB than me. I nominate Chris — he would audible to Harrison on every play.

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 1, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chris, Cribbs, and Harrison in the backfield all day.

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d audible myself in motion on some plays and have Cribbs heave it deep to me. (pictures it in personal fantasy land)

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 1, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

. . . . and all of us here would be posting “don’t throw it to that guy — he can’t catch!”

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 1, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Would less drops than Edwards be deemed as acceptable?

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely.

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Could you possibly drop more?

by fwembt on Dec 2, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha, after watching the Browns game, I think you would have been the best QB on the field Sunday. And that includes Manning, Anderson and Dorsey. There was some awful QB play.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 1, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

back in high school…Buckeye Brad could throw a football a quarter mile…

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 2, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He was fourth team all-state. He could make it rain out here.

by fwembt on Dec 2, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We need a win bad but I’m mainly looking at the next 4 games as exaluation time. Play everyone and see what we have. Sign whatever scrubs are out there to fill up the opened QB roster spots. Preferrably sign a vet and a kid. Maybe we get lucky and find a servicable backup. Do NOT trade away a draft pick for anyone (don’t think they can anyway after week 6).

by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 2:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

That was supposed to be evaluation

by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You are correct, they cannot trade after week 6.

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what a surreal nightmare of a season. does anyone know what Vinny Testeverde is up to these days?

by Dawg Nuts on Dec 1, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Seattle will take a third round pick for Frye?

by elsandito on Dec 1, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure Spergon Wynn is not doing anything at the moment…..

Seriously, we are going to have Dorsey in there for the remainder of the year might as well accept it. Someone off the street won’t do any better.

As I stated before, all I’m looking for is seeing how some of the younger guys perform in the last 4 games. It would be encouraging to see something from Bell, Rucker, Hall, Rubin, ect… that would lead us to believe those positions are solid so we can focus out draft picks/free agent pickups elsewhere.

We just can’t expect to find 10 + quality starters in one off season. If Bell and Hall in particulaer can show that they can be solid starters it would be a huge boon for this team. I’d still advocate taking the best front seven player available in the draft but I feel you have the best draft when you take the best player available regardless of position.

by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Here’s this for a heading…

“Ken Dorsey upsets the Tennessee Titans.”

Yep…I can see it already.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 1, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Stranger things have happenned… I’m actually expecting the Browns to come out hard and make this a good game. Don’t ask me why, I just think they are due for a great performance.

by mgtbfb on Dec 1, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He was a “proven winner” at Miami.

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 1, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It’ll be interesting to see what happens, as this may be Chud’s best indicator as an offensive coordinator. He knows he won’t have a strong-armed quarterback to work with, and an attack that utilizes quick routes to Heiden, Rucker (Winslow injury), and Stallworth might work well.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 1, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I know some people who beg to disagree...

by gahnki on Dec 1, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

One of the greatest nights of my life.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Dec 1, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

One of the best college football games of all time.

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Derrick Anderson

being a vikings fan, qb has been a constant problem since DC tore his knee against Carolina 3 years ago, and i just can’t believe how you fans have treated Derrick Anderson this year after he led you to the playoffs and had a pro bowl appearance last year. But if you want to trade him away at the end of the season go ahead, you prolly regret it because everyone comes across bad times now and then, i’d take anderson anyday. Quinn never won either so maybe your third string qb can get the job done a pro bowler can’t. Sorry to barge in but i see this treatment of Derrick Anderson egregious and erroneous.

by AD is All Day on Dec 1, 2008 6:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Can’t argue with that, can you? ;)

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 1, 2008 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We’d gladly give away Anderson for a 3rd round pick. If you think the Browns’ treatment of Anderson is egregious then you haven’t seen him play all year.

Also, you said “Quinn never won” — well, he’s only started 3 games so I’m not sure how much you expect from him.

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 1, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not only has Anderson played well this year, he actually played poorly in the second half of last season as well.

I don’t think you can put all of the blame for our offense underpreforming this year on DA’s shoulders.

By the same token, you can’t give him all the credit for last year’s successes.

Pro bowl ≠ skill.

by rufio on Dec 1, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i’m interested to see what this Derrick Anderson fella can do, considering Derek Anderson was pretty shitty this year…

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 1, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What bad treatment are you referring to? Most fans are agreeing that any sort of cheering of Anderson’s injury was a small minority of drunken a holes at the game and nothing more than that.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 2, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Playoffs?

you say anderson led us to the playoffs? first of all, no he didn’t, we didn’t make the playoffs. second, not only did he not lead us there, he was almost singlehandedly responsible for us NOT getting there when he chucked 25 interceptions against the Bungles with a chance to clinch.
we browns fans know what DA is and what he is not; he is NOT the QB of the future in Cleveland.
as far as Quinn goes, he started 3 games. he lost the first game, by no fault of his own. the defense fell on their asses. he beat buffalo on a monday night. then, he got yanked against the texans. i would have liked his chances at bringing us back a hell of a lot more than DA giving us a “spark”.
quinn’s field presence is 10 times better than anything i ever saw from DA.

by Dawg Nuts on Dec 2, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Quinn’s passer rating is exactly one tenth of a point higher than Anderson’s, he has completed four tenths of a percent more of his passes. You may think that DA is not the future of Cleveland but that doesn’t mean all of us do. At least the man has proved he can play in the NFL. Quinn has not, he has played well once, and poorly twice. At the very least, we have a controversy on our hands next year.

by fwembt on Dec 2, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You know all about sample size. Quinn’s only played 2 1/2 games. Anyone who watched those games knows that Quinn’s passes were more accurate than Anderson’s, he was more mobile, and he just looked like he knew what he was doing out there. I know you don’t like that kind of stuff, but there is more to football than just looking at numbers.

I believe Quinn is the future at QB for the Browns. I’m not certain of it yet, but I’d be willing to start next year with him at the starter.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Dec 2, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Couldn’t agree more.

by rufio on Dec 2, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough. I’ll go with the quantifiable for now.

by fwembt on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

IMO the offense looks much more fluid with Quinn at QB. He has made several plays using his mobility to escape the rush/throw between defenders that Anderson never could have made.

The trade off here is the loss of certian routes due to Brady not having the big arm. I’m not convinced that Quinn can throw those 20 yard outs, digs and deep posts on a rope like DA can. Then again, if the ball is dropped or thrown at the recievers feet it doesn’t really matter.

I’m also a big fan of rolling him out (actually thought that was the best play we ran preseason last year with Frye as QB…) as he’s a credible threat to take off. Combined with a credible running game, a rollout/boot can be very effective if you establish a counter/off tackle play to fake off of. Flood one side with your FB and TE, send a WR deep and if everyone is covered QB takes off.

Regardless of who plays QB unless people start catching the ball it won’t matter who is throwing it.

by mgtbfb on Dec 3, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They are rolling him out which I love. He has even tucked it and ran for a few first downs on the rollout.

His arm is big enough to throw the 20 yard outs and comebacks. During one of the nationally televised games he threw 45 yards with a flick of the wrist. It wasn’t “on a rope” but it was closer to a line drive than a pop up. He also looked like he could have thrown another 10-15 yards easy. He isn’t Carson Palmer, but he can throw it hard. Plus, with all the Myoplex his arm won’t be getting any weaker.

I think the thing we should be most concerned about with Quinn is his occasional loss of the strike zone. Most of the time, he is deadly accurate. Then, all of a sudden, he will throw to a wide-open guy’s shins. On my winter break, I plan on looking at how often this happened in the games I have taped. You would think the strike zone loss would be something that would smooth over with age, but you never know.

Now I’m done.

by rufio on Dec 3, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Rec for the “now I’m done.”

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Dec 3, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, you’d think with the 20" guns his arm would be even stronger than Anderson’s…..

by mgtbfb on Dec 3, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I am not really sure exactly what goes in to a “strong arm”. Its not pure strength (i.e. how much weight you can lift), or even pure power (i.e. how far you can shotput/throw a medicine ball), or even pure mechanics. A combination of the three plus a touch of something unidentifiable?

by rufio on Dec 3, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Similar to what makes a person fast. A combination of a number of things including strength, body type, and fast twitch fibers

by Roger Dorn on Dec 3, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or what makes a pitcher throw hard. It’s not all strength, it’s mechanics. How can tiny Tim Lincecum throw like he can?

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mechanics are definitely a huge part

by Roger Dorn on Dec 3, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mechanics mean very little for a quarterback. Mike Martz won’t even touch them. It’s all in the feet…

by gahnki on Dec 3, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was mostly joking regarding Brady’s guns and their correlation to arm strength. Arm strength is probably mostly due to genetics and technique.

I’ve always had a noodle arm even when I was in great shape and lived in the weight room. I also am only 5’9" and have relatively short arms.

by mgtbfb on Dec 4, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chase Daniel is about 5’9" (joking. Only by a little bit, though.) and has short arms…

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I can almost guarantee that Brady has a higher % of fast twitch fiber everywhere in his body.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You have got to be kidding me. If you think there is any controversy at the QB position in Cleveland, it doesn’t have to do with Derek Anderson. If 2 1/2 starts of Quinn is one tenth of a percentage point better than Anderson was in 30 starts, come on. Quinn looked good. I think he looks like a NFL caliber starter that could potentially be great. But, that is just my opinion. What is beyond opinion is Anderson. He has had about 2 full seasons. If you add his time at Oregon State, we see that he is a very inaccurate passer. He is too prone to turnovers. He gets rattled and he is a headcase. Anderson is done. That is one thing we should all be able to agree on by now, no?

by DaytonDogg on Dec 3, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Anderson is a less mobile Favre without the moxie and the courage. It probably takes some stones to know that you are going to have to be a high-risk, high-reward guy and to face your team, coaches, rabid fans, etc. after you throw picks. His strength is the big arm, his weakness is accuracy. If he is ever going to be successful in this league, he is just going to have to sack up and throw it deep—a lot. He might get better at underneath throws, touch, etc. but that is never going to be his strength.

This entire year he looked like he was trying to be an accurate, “safe” guy, which totally plays to his weaknesses.

He is a likable guy with all the physical tools he needs. I wish him the best wherever he is, I just don’t think he will be under center for the Cleveland Browns—regardless of whether is the better QB right now.

by rufio on Dec 3, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you hit the nail on the head there saying he was trying to be something he’s not. Anderson trying to be a dink and ducker this year would be like some idiot running Eric Metcalf up the gut on an ISO play on 3rd and long repeatedly.

Thank God no one ever tried to do that :0) …….

by mgtbfb on Dec 3, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t get the comp to Favre. I guess they both make risky throws and have strong arms. But Favre, even at this point, is way way more mobile, way way more accurate, and has way way more pocket presence than Anderson. Favre’s worst completion s for a year is in teh high 50’s, Anderson’s best, including college, are in the low 50’s. Favre’s best are in the mid 60’s. Favre is a 62 career completion percentage guy. Anderson will never, never, never come close to that.

You are right that the only thing Anderson had besides the arm was confidence. And this year that is totally gone. He looked lost, scared, worried.

Don’t mean to jump on you, but when you compare a top 2 QB of all time with Derek Anderson, I get a little fired up.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 4, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t get the Favre comp either. saying that he’s Favre without the mobility, “moxie and courage”, is like saying they both have a strong arm. So, we could say that Favre is like Jeff George.

Reiterating your numbers (because i started listing mine before realizing you estimated them), looking at their accuracy numbers, in D.A.‘s career (SSS), he’s had one full season, and the COM% was 56.5. In his 5-game debut “season”, it was 56.4. This year, 50.2%

Favre, on the other hand, had his lowest completion percentage of 56% in ‘06. His career number is 61.7%, and he’s been over 60% in 12 of his 17 full seasons. Yes, different offensives schemes for the two QBs, but the differences in that is erased by the fact that despite all the crazy (read: stupid) throws Favre has made throughout his career, his comp% is still above 60%.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Dec 4, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, it isn’t. Thank you for at least taking the time to read " a less mobile Favre without the moxie and the courage ".

That’s partially a joke on my part (like saying someone is just like Aaaaahhhnold without the accent and the muscles), but I also am trying to make the point that both guys are going to throw picks. To suit their strengths, they both have to play a riskier style of ball. Favre has always been somewhat accepting of the fact that he just throws a lot of INTs and admits he makes mistakes and costs his team games, but can play well enough in most games to get the job done.

DA feels the pressure from the fans, from the media, from BQ, from whoever else and tries to change who he is as a QB. This fundamentally undermines his ability to do anything at QB, completing passes being one of those things.

DA can have a lower completion % if he looks to get the ball down the field. If you are a 33% passer, but you are getting 15 yards every time you complete one, that’s much better than a 66% passer who completes one for 5 yards and another for 3.

Yards Per Attempt = (Yards/Catch) * Completion % in decimal form.

Hypothetically, if it were impossible for DA to have a completion % over 50%, he would need to throw the ball downfield (thus having a higher Yards/Catch) for him to succeed. That way, even with a low completion % he could keep drives alive and hopefully score.

Instead of sticking to his guns, knowing that he probably won’t complete 65+% of his passes, and throwing the ball deep, he has tried to turn himself in to Brady. He has tried to hit guys underneath for “easy” passes instead of risking INTs (with the relatively big reward of big yardage gains and TDs).

Not only has it backfired because he is getting less YPC, but he has also completed a lower % of passes because he is not as good at throwing underneath routes. That is just not what he is good at, he is good at throwing deep. But he was afraid to take risks this year, afraid of more dropped passes, afraid he couldn’t quiet the critics who said he was inaccurate.

The fact that DA’s completion % dropped if anything helps prove my point. He went away from what he did well, and played to his weaknesses. However, completion % is not a good way to measure a QB’s worth. You could have at least gone with YPA or passer ratings—and I am sure DA’s are lower this year.

How many passes has Braylon dropped this year? How many times has DA thrown the ball away? Those are things that affect completion % but have nothing to do with DA’s accuracy. Most of the time those might equal out between teams, but I am guessing Braylon’s abhorrent amount of drops are enough to skew the completion % stats. I digress.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That has to be one of the most interesting things I have read since this debacle of a season started. It seems, at first blush, that an offensive restructuring might be in order. Stallworth, Edwards and Winslow are all “Anderson” type receivers who thrive on speed and getting the ball down the field. Heiden and JJ are more of the “Quinn” type of controlling the ball with a more west coast style of play. (Steptoe is in the mold of the “no business in the NFL” type of player).

Perhaps you can answer this as you seem to have a deeper understand of the game than I do. Is it possible to make receivers who thrive on one type of ball distribution also thrive on another?

by fwembt on Dec 6, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Possession receivers are like Brennan or Newsome. These guys read defense on the move and find open spots. This comes from dedication to study of film and from previous experience. Receivers like Owens and Edwards deliver vertical ability, but, with the willingness to learn and spend time watching film, and having enough intelligence to understand, they can become possession receivers. They might not want to do this if the market for vertical receivers is strong.

by elsandito on Dec 6, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that Winlsow and Edwards are talented enough (dropped passes notwithstanding) that they should be able to have success no matter who plays quarterback. And Quinn ha shown that he can throw deep; his arm may not be as strong as Anderson’s, but he’s certainly no slouch. And Winslow’s not really a deep threat.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Dec 6, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

by Roger Dorn on Dec 7, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it sounds to me like most people agree there is no controversy. If you think DA still has a chance here, or even deserves one, I think you’re in the minority. and i certainly agree with brad that at this point it’s more about the intangibles BQ showed than any numbers. even going on the numbers, BQ was better even though not much better. but he didn’t do as many ridiculous things as DA. also, he had better numbers with much less experience. so he’s already better with a much higher potential to grow than DA, who already had his shot and fumbled it.

by Dawg Nuts on Dec 3, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs