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A Look Ahead on Defense for 2009

Here is a quick look at the defense and what we can expect this offseason.

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Defensive Line

Defensive Line; A gigantic world eater, an underachieving new-comer, a budding, mouthy player,  an old injured vet, and a lot of roster filler.

Shaun Rogers; (7.6 Mil) 29 YO What else can I say?  The man has been without a doubt this teams MVP.  Hell I still think that he should be mentioned for defensive POY.  The man is simply a bad ass. 7.6 million dollars is a steal.  How is Leigh Bodden working out Detroit?

Corey Williams; (8.7 Mil) 28 YO That price just hurts looking at it. I am willing to give Corey a pass for this year learning to play a new position.  I still think that Williams has a big upside and talented big men in this league are hard to find (think Gerard Warren).  Outside of a huge development, he will be back next year, hopefully playing the left side of the 3-4.

Robaire Smith; (2 Mil) 31 YO He signed a four year deal two years ago.  He is due to earn four million dollars the next two years.  I think the Browns will try and re-structure his deal coming of his injury.  If Smith doesn’t want to re-do his deal he could be cut.  If you think of it from his point of view, 1 million a year or become a 32 year-old free agent coming off an Achilles injury.  I think he comes back next year and tries to make some money back with the Browns.

Shaun Smith; (2.15 Mil) 27 YO I like big Shaun.  I would hate him if he didn’t play for the Browns.  He is always yapping.  He seems to do a good job as a DE, not so much as a NT.  I hope the Browns also realize this and stop putting him in at NT.  We get gashed when he is in at NT.  At the very worse, he is an awesome depth guy.

Ahtyba Rubin; (387 K) 22 YO This kid has a shot.  I don’t think that he has mastered the art of taking up space, but he seems to be around the football more than the following trio.  He has the size and ability to be a major force.  I think he has a Ted Washington type body.  That is a good thing when it comes to NTs.

Santonio Thomas; (370 K) 27 YO I believe that Santonio is on this team because he is cheap and 300+ pounds.  I don’t remember him making any outstanding plays lately but I do notice he is in more often.  A replaceable guy.

Louis Leonard; (FA) 24 YO I think that Leonard has more upside than Thomas just on size alone.  That being said, I think if a better option comes along, the Browns will have no problem letting Mr. Leonard take his show elsewhere.  He will not be re-signed.

Chase Pittman; (300 K) 24 YO Purely a practice squad type player.  I see him in preseason games and he doesn’t really wow me.  The team is once again faced with having a player whose best attribute is being 300 LBS.  Maybe this is why our defensive line has played poorly this year.

Free Agency Help; There are some names on the list that I think the Browns would have some interest in.  The guy I love is Chris Canty from Dallas.  He played in a 3-4 in college at Virgina, and has played in a 3-4 his entire career at Dallas.  He would be a huge upgrade from Robaire Smith.  He may be somewhat expensive but would be worth it.  I like Shaun Cody from Detroit.  He is an undersized DT playing in a Cover-2 defense.  I think he would be a good depth guy on the Browns as a DE.  Tank Johnson is a turd but is also a very active NT.  Also Grady Jackson could be cheap coming off a legal battle with the NFL, would be a nice depth piece at NT.  Gabe Watson is a restricted FA that could probably be had for little compensation.  Same goes for Kedric Golston from the Redskins.

Draft Help; If you have watched the Alabama Crimson Tide this year, you have heard of Terrance Cody.  He is the freak of nature NT that has given that defense a huge cog in the middle.  I know the Browns invested a ton of money in the D-Line last year, but if Cody is staring the Browns in the face at pick 12 or so, it will be very hard for them to pass up.  He is HUGE. 6-5 365.  That is Shaun Rogers big.  How nice would it be for the Browns to have those monsters line up in the middle of the Browns defense?  We could slide Rogers out to DE and stop running games cold.  Later in the draft the Browns could look at B.J Raji from Boston College.  Has had some academic issues that got him suspended for a year, but is a real talent  He could be pushed down to the 3rd round.  Also Fili Moala from USC.  Was supposed to be a top 5 pick this year but has not lived up to the hype, but has the talent to be a stud.  Very easily could be a DE in a 3-4.  A very deep draft at DT, which is good for the Browns.  You can never have enough talented big men.

Prediction; The Browns bring back Robaire Smith at a reduced price, but also go looking for one in free agency.  In a perfect world it would be Chris Canty allowing the Browns to have a five man rotation of Rogers, S. Smith, R. Smith, Canty, and Williams clogging the alleyways for opposing offenses.  Grabbing a high talent like Raji in the third round would be awesome.

Linebackers

Linebackers; A position that has proven to be a HUGE need this offseason.  The supposed main man has regressed every year and the best pass rushing LB is 1,000 years old.

Kamerion Wimbley; (1.345 Mil) 25 YO I do not understand this guy.  He has the tools, and according to the coaches, he has the want-to.  The production is not there.  If he is facing a LT that has no problem with a speed rush, Wimbley is good for nothing.  I have a hard time believing that a kid that was this good his rookie year, has just lost it.  I think it is a bad combo of the Browns defensive coaching and opponents game planning.  I am starting to believe he is more Kendrell Bell than Terrell Suggs.

D’Qwell Jackson; (745 K) 25 YO He racks up a ton of tackles yet none seem to be important or behind the line of scrimmage.  Is it because he doesn’t have the ability to play on the other side of the line or is it because the defensive line has been unable to keep guards and centers off him?  I tend to lean towards the side of Jackson just not being a game-changer.  Don’t get me wrong 120 tackles is nice, but when they are made 5-6 yards downfield, that isn’t helping this run defense out much.  And how in God’s name does a MLB play in 39 games in the NFL level and not force ONE FUMBLE?  That is amazing to me.  I think he needs a dynamic MLB playing next to him.  D’Qwell is a nice number two MLB in a 3-4.

Andra Davis; (3.2 Mil) 29 YO Has there ever been a quieter 3.2 million that has played in every game?   The man’s name is never called and I cannot remember the last time he made a great play.  The past two years the man has ONE forced fumbles.  That is a black hole of big plays from the center of our defense.  Davis is a free agent after this year, and I do not think he will be back with the Browns.

Willie McGinest; (3.5) 36 YO I like Willie.  He was not brought here to be a great pass rusher.  He was brought here to help teach the young LB’s to play the 3-4.  He is still stout against the run and is a team leader.  He is retiring at the end of the year.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see him be a coach in some capacity for Billacheat or Parcells in Miami.  I wish him the best.

Leon Williams; (446 K) 25 YO I have always been a fan of Leon Williams, but like most of the LB’s he seems to have taken a step back this year.  Maybe it was the hair?  After racking up 85 tackles last year to go along with 4 sacks I thought Leon would get his chance.  He has done almost nothing.  That being said I have not lost hope with him.  With his size (6-2 250) I still think his position is OLB, and I hope the next coaching staff realizes this.  He can rush the passer, and that is what is sorely needed from this unit.  He will be back next year.

Alex Hall; (341 K) 23 YO What a steal by Savage.  Hall was the buzz in mini-camp and preseason, and has lived up to the hype.  When he is on the field he seems to be around the ball all the time.  He has 3 sacks and 2 FF in limited duty.  He is the pass rusher going against the RT most of the time when we are in our dime defense.  He has a TON of potential and could be a fixture for the Browns in the future.  I think he will be the starter at LOLB next season if the team does not go outside the organization. 

Beau Bell; (790 K) 22 YO I guess an Incomplete would go here.  He has seen time in only five games this year, yet according to ESPN.com has registered 2 FF’s in his short duty, one of those coming on special teams against Jax.  Could be a difference maker, hopefully we will be able to see these last four weeks.

Antwan Peek; (1.5 Mil) 29 YO Next year will be the final year of Antwan’s three year deal he singed after the 06 season.  Will a new coaching staff be interested in a 30 year old OLB coming off a knee injury?  He could be cut if the salary cap purposes out-weigh the potential gain of a healthy, effective Peek.

Shantee Orr (645 K) 27 YO / Kris Griffin (754 K) 27 YO; These  two are supposed to be ST dynamos that can help occasionally in the 3-4 defense.  Griffin and Orr have been invisible all year so much so that I thought that Griffin was on I.R.  Orr is a FA after this year as is Griffin.  I doubt they will be re-signed.

Free Agency Help; The free agency pool is VERY deep at LB.  Some people don’t think it is very wise to spend money on LB’s but the 08 Browns have shown that a deficiency at this position can kill a 3-4 team.  I think the name to circle is Bart Scott.  The Ravens will also have Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs on the market.  I think they will tag Suggs and re-sign Lewis.  They will not make an effort to sign Scott.  Bart Scott was close to signing with the Browns last time he was a FA, and I think we would match up well with Scott.  Would be expensive, but a playmaker at MLB next to Jackson would be awesome.  Also a name to keep an eye on is Channing Crowder.  He has become a really good MLB in Miami filling in for Zach Thomas.  He is a UFA and could be cheaper, and younger than Scott.  At OLB Karlos Dansby is a good OLB and would really help our pass rush.  Other names include Takeo Spikes (MLB in a 3-4) and Mike Peterson who will not be brought back in Jax.  Also Eric Barton while getting older, wouldn’t be a bad piece to add if he was cheap.

Draft Help; I know there will be some people who say James Laurinitis would be a good pick for the Browns, but I am not so sure.  I think he is more of a 4-3 MLB.  I love the Animal, but I hope the Browns pass on him.  Rey Maualuga is another MLB that I do not like.  Every time I watch USC, it is Brian Cushing all over the place not big hittin’ Rey.  I think Cushing is the better deal at OLB and he could very well be there in the early 2nd.  I do like Jasper Brinkley from South Carolina he is a big physical MLB and plays fast.  Also Brandon Spikes from Florida is a kid to keep and eye on.  He is very athletic and seems to always be making big plays.  I think he has scored two TD’s for the Gators.  I will keep an eye on him at the SEC Championship game Saturday.  At OLB, Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech is a physical freak.  I have seen him play numerous times in person, and this kid has all the tools to be a superior rush OLB.  He is big (6-7 257lbs) and can RUN.  He is a GUNNER on the punt team, the very same position that Josh Cribbs fills on our punt coverage.  He is a talent to watch.  He will go in the top on potential alone.  From what I have seen he is very fluid in pass coverage also as the Jackets do some zone blitzing.  He is very fun to watch.  If you can catch a GT bowl game, do so for this kid.  Also George Selvie is a good target for 3-4 teams.  He has struggled some this year after his breakout year, but from what I have seen it is because he is facing constant double teams.  He set an NCAA record with TFL last year and is a good candidate for any 3-4 squad.  Greg Hardy from Ole Miss could be on the board when the Browns pick in the second round.  Doesn’t have the tools of Johnson or numbers of Selvie, but he is the right size and has athleticism to make the switch.  He has been hurt some this year which could push him down into the late second early third.  Also Brandon Graham from Michigan.  He has experience in the 3-4 and is big at 270 lbs.  Kind of reminds me of a poor mans Willie McGinest.  Auston English from Oklahoma got hurt this year but is also very talented.  Was voted the Big 12 pre-season defensive player of the year.  Last but not least is Maurice Evans from Penn State.  I really like this kids ability to get to the QB.  Has had some legal slip-ups but nothing to bad.  Would be a steal in the fourth round.  Sleepers include Mitch King from Iowa could end up being a DE in the 3-4.  Jamal Westerman from Rutgers, and Will Davis from Illinois.

Prediction; This position goes under a major face lift.  Gone will be Davis, McGinest, Peek, Orr and Griffin.  The Browns will add at least two guys in the draft and one or two in free agency depending on the price.  I think the Browns will go all out to sign Bart Scott and will land him to play next to D’Qwell Jackson giving the Browns a very nice duo at MLB.  If Scott doesn’t sign, I would like to see Mike Peterson at MLB.  Outside I think the Browns take Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech in the first round.  He is simply to great of a talent and a need to pass on.  I also see him possibly starting from day one.  Late in the draft the Browns will target another Alex Hall hopefully getting us playmakers on the edge.  This teams pass rush sucks.  It has to be improved.  Getting some speed off the edge will help.

Cornerback

Cornerback; A budding superstar, a decent number two, and a bunch of junk.

Eric Wright; (853 K) 23 YO When we look back in a couple of years, we may look at Eric Wright being the best draft choice, behind Joe Thomas in the Phil Savage years.  Opposing teams are also noticing this and going away from Eric Wright’s side attacking the other corners.  He is not a finished product by any means but has shown the tools to be a top corner in this league.  He is not at the top level with Champ Bailey and Nnamdi Asomugha’s yet but he is getting close.  He has held his own against some top level competition.  He held Lee Evans to zero catches.  I would not be surprised to see Eric Wright become one of the AFC’s four best CB’s next year.  He is a stud.

Brandon McDonald; (375 K) 23 YO His struggles have been well known and discussed.  I happen to like the kid though.  He has been matched up with some pretty good WR’s this year and has played well in some cases, like last week against Reggie Wayne.  He is not a elite CB and he will get beat when he gambles.  Those are mistakes that I can live with at times.  If the Browns draft a CB I think that McDonald would be a VERY good nickel back.  If they don’t I expect him to continue to get better.

Terry Cousin; (1.4 Mil) 33 YO I really hope that Terry Cousin is not on this team next year.  He sucks.  The only possible reason I could see him back next year is if he is the fifth CB on this team.  He signed a two year contract before the season, so he is under contract for next year.  If it is for 1.4 million though, he better be getting a pay cut at least.  The man is a walking bull’s-eye for opposing QB’s.

Travis Daniels; (927 K) 26 YO I really can’t say much about Travis Daniels other than he gives us some depth that has starting experience.  He has 5 tackles on the year.  That is it.  No other stats.  I guess he has been pretty invisible.

Daven Holly; (1.42 Mil) 26 YO Daven Holly is the forgotten man.  I believed he was going to be the number two this season in front of McDonald.  His injury changed all of that.  He is a free agent after this season and I expect the Browns to make a solid push to re-sign him.  He shouldn’t be all that expensive coming off a knee injury and he put up very good numbers in 2006 and 2007.  I think he will probably be our dime/nickel man in 2009 depending who the Browns bring in.

Gerald Lawson; (300 K) 23 YO Did a nice job filling in for Cribbs on kick returns.  Is still young and plays on ST.  Probably will be back with his contract being very cheap.

Free Agency Help; I know that Nnadi Asomugha is a free agent.  The Raiders are not going to let him go anywhere.  They will probably hit him with the exclusive franchise tag meaning other teams can’t even talk to him.  Dunta Robinson from the Texans is an intriguing possibility.  He has missed some time this year since he tore his ACL late last year, but up until then he was looking like one of the best young CB’s in the NFL.  I would love the Browns to try and see if they could pry him away with a Donte Stallworth type deal, signing to a longterm deal that could be voided after one year. DeAngelo Hall is also a free agent but is also a big time a-hole.  I tend to think he believes that he is much better than he really is.  Wouldn’t mind having him depending on the contract.  Chris Carr from Tennessee would be worth kicking the tires on.

Draft Help; First of all, I am a Buckeyes fan.  I know that means that I probably like Buckeye draft prospects more than others.  But I have already come out against the Browns drafting Beanie and Animal.  So when I say that I am in love with the idea of the Browns taking Malcom Jenkins I mean it.  The only problem is that I don’t think there is a chance in the world Malcom drops that far.  Jenkins will be a top three pick and possibly the number one draft choice (I am still leaning Stafford or Bradford with the number one pick).  I know that sounds crazy, but Malcom is 6-1 205lbs.  He will run in the 4.3’s.  In this day and age that is still considered a freak combo.  And if you look around the NFL, the Ohio State has put a ton of CB’s in the pro bowl (Winfield, Gamble, Springs, Clements etc.)  If he falls the Browns should run the card up to the podium.  He is the best tackling CB I have seen since Antoine Winfield.  He is an awesome player.  Pairing him with Wright would be a great CB duo.  Also Vonte Davis from Illinois is a very good CB and will go in to top 15.  Not the total package that Jenkins is but seems is just a cut below.  Sleepers for the later rounds include, Victor “Macho” Harris will go in the second round, a very good tackler but struggles with stuff over his head.  Could be moved to safety.  A deep sleeper in the Eric Wright category is Domonique Johnson from Jackson State.  Started at Missouri then transferred for “unknown” reasons.  He is big 6-2 190lbs and supposedly runs a 4.3.  If those numbers check out he could be a steal late in the draft.  Some scouts seem him as a safety which the Browns could also use probably in the third to fourth round.  And Mark Parson at Ohio University is another name to keep an eye on.  He played well against Ohio State this year and is rumored to be one of the best man coverage guys in the nation.  The only video I found was pretty neat.  Seems like a player to me.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGnXm3zE_E&feature=related

Prediction; The Browns don’t get a chance to take Malcom Jenkins and decide that their number one pick is better used on a pass rush.  The Browns will address their secondary late in the draft.  I like Mark Parson from Ohio.  He is supposed to be a great man-to-man cover guy and those are always needed.  Outside of a shock I don’t see any big free agency signings at CB this year.  Macho Harris being moved to safety wouldn’t be a bad move either.  This is just me speaking out, but Chris McAllister from Baltimore will surely be cut after his clashes with the new coaching staff and his high salary, what about bringing him in to play safety?  Rod Woodson did it when his career looked over, and was pretty good at it too.

Safety

Safety; A youngster growing up and another with his foot out the door

Sean Jones; (4.89 Mil) 26 YO Two years ago I would have made the argument that Sean Jones was one of the five best safeties in the NFL.  I’ not even sure if he is the best safety on this team anymore.   That is a combo of Pool stepping up and Jones lagging behind.  He is a free agent after the year and I think he believes he can get top money, I don’t see the Browns being in the running to re-sign him.  Gibril Wilson got a six year deal for 39 million dollars.  And Gibril Wilson isn’t that good.  If Sean Jones wants that kind of money, he won’t be with the Browns next year.

Brodney Pool; (600 K) 24 YO Pool is only 24 years old.  That is awesome.  I used to believe that he would make a better CB than safety.  No longer.  He has been all over the field for the Browns this year.  He has 3 INT’s, a sack, a FF and 5 pass defends.  Not to bad for guy that I wanted benched at the start of the season.  I think he will continue to get better with every passing year.

Mike Adams; (608 K) 27 YO Adams was abused early in the year mostly because he was playing out of position.  He is a number three safety at best and was being used in a nickel role.  He is a free agent and if the price is right I would like the Browns to bring him back.

Nick Sorensen (1 mil) 30 YO/ Hamza Abdullah 25 YO; Sorenson was  mostly a ST player and was kept around to do just that while Abdullah was brought in when Jones went down with a knee injury early in the year.  Sorensen signed a three year deal before the season and will be back to direct ST. Abdullah has received almost zero playing time this year, but will probably be brought back for depth purposes.

Free Agent Help; The only help on the free agent market is either old, or not very good anymore.  Brian Dawkins is easily the best of the bunch and would be looked at as an upgrade over Sean Jones.  How much would his price tag be is the question.  Dawan Landry has played very well for the Baltimore Ravens and will be a restricted free agent.  Unless he receives the highest tender possible, which I don’t think the Ravens will do, he would only cost the Browns a fifth round pick.  He has been injuried this year and the Ravens may try and get him through on the cheap.  He would be a very nice, young addition to the safety position, and it would also hurt the Ravens.  Always a plus.  Darren Sharper and Lawyer Milloy could be one year stop gaps.

Draft Help; Taylor M’Fn Mays.  If you haven’t seen this kid, you are missing out.  He is the size of an LB at 6-4 225lbs.  I actually think he is up around 240lbs now which is not a bad thing because Pete Carroll says that Taylor Mays is the fastest defender on his team.  That is a NFL defense Petey has in SoCal, so that is quite a compliment.  He will go in the top 15.  I am not a huge fan of taking a safety early in the draft because I believe their impct is not great enough to “waste” a top pick on them.  But I think this kid is in the Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders, Sean Taylor mold.  Games changers that can wreak havoc on an offense.  He is most often compared to Taylor, and if you watch a USC game, look for Taylor Mays, it is hard to miss him.  Also Nic Harris from Oklahoma is a good safety with size and speed.  Not as big or fast as Mays (who is?), but is definitely a playmaker in the secondary.  I already mentioned Domonique Johnson in the CB section.  Late sleepers include Kevin Ellison from USC, and Rashard Johnson from Alabama.  Johnson is intriguing because he is being coached by one of the best secondary coaches walking the planet in Nick Saban.  He could probably start day one.

Prediction; Sean Jones leaves the Browns.  I like Sean Jones but I think he will get 40 million dollars from a team that thinks he is still an elite safety.  The Browns sign Dawan Landry.  The Ravens have too many Free Agents of their own to resign and may have to let some good players go.  The Browns will cash in with Scott and Landry.  Landry is a SS and would fill right in for Sean Jones.  After that maybe a young guy if he becomes a value pick late in the draft, but I would doubt it. 

Conclusion

Summary of my moves for defense:

Gone are Santonio Thomas, Louis Leonard, Chase Pittman, Andra Davis, Willie McGinnest, Shantee Orr, Antwan Peek, Kris Griffin, Terry Cousin, Travis Daniels, Sean Jones.

Free Agency additions; Bart Scott (ILB), Dawan Landry (SS), Chris Canty (RDE), Darryl Blackstock (OLB), Marques Harris (OLB), and Chris Carr (CB).

Draft additions;

·         Michael Johnson (OLB) First round

·         Domonique Johnson (CB/S) Third round

·         Mike Parson (CB) Fourth Round

·         Maurice Evans (OLB) Fourth Round* Projected pick from DA trade

After the fourth round, we should be on best player available mode no matter the position.

Defense for 2009 (My projection/wants)

Defensive line;

Corey Williams, Shaun Rogers, Chris Canty (Starters)

Back-ups; Shaun Smith, Robaire Smith, Ahtyba Rubin, and two young players

Linebackers;

Michael Johnson, Bart Scott, D’Qwell Jackson, Kamerion Wimbley (Starters)

Back-ups; Alex Hall, Leon Williams, Maurice Evans, Beau Bell, Darryl Blackstock, Marques Harris

Cornerbacks;

 Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald (Starters)

Back-ups; Mike Parson, Chris Carr, Domonique Johnson, Young rookie or Veteran

Safeties;

Dawan Landry and Brodney Pool (Starters)

Back-ups; Mike Adams, Nick Sorensen, young draftee

 

These moves equal out to 29 players.  This is one less defensive player than Browns are carrying now.  I think these moves make our defense younger and much more of a “game changing” type defense.

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Great work, again.

I think Rubin is the only guy out of the backups that is worth anything on the DL. He is pretty good already, young, and cheap. He doesn’t have a Ted Washington body though, nobody but Ted Washington does. T. Cody is the closest thing to a Ted Washington body, and whoever listed him at 365 is kidding themselves. An announcer said his target weight was 370, and they said he isn’t down to it at the moment. He was well over 400 lbs in junior college. He is the type of guy who comes along once every 3-5 years.

Grady Jackson is old, Tank is a big character concern, and Gabe Watson is lazy. No thanks. The guys from Dallas or Detroit, maybe. We should also be on the lookout for “3-technique” DTs in the draft (who we could then move to end). It would be awesome to get an explosive, young 300lber who can get to the QB.

I think your assessment of the LBs is spot on. Jackson can be pretty good, just not a game-changer. Hang on to him, Williams, Wimbley and Hall. The rest can go. I am excited to see what Hall can do with an offseason of training.

I would be OK with Maualuga or Cushing in the draft. I think Maualuga can be a straight baller in the NFL, but haven’t seen him play since the Oregon St. game. What are the injury concerns with Cushing? Johnson out of GaTech is more of a 4-3 end, and I do not know how he would do in a 3-4 because his body is so different than the prototypical OLB in our scheme. I think someone else will take him ahead of where we should, but he sure is skilled.

Regardless, there are TONS of these guys in this year’s draft, depending on who comes out. Brown out of FSU, Jerry Hughes out of TCU, Orakpo out of Texas, every college team has an undersized pass rushing DE. Clint Sintim out of UVA, Clay Matthews from USC…Brinkley is a solid MLB. I don’t like Spikes or either OSU LB in our scheme. We should try to get one guy early and another on day 2 if there are good players available.

Unless we are looking at Malcom Jenkins or Vonte Davis in the first round, we should pass on a CB that early. Pass rush is a much bigger need and CB is arguably the easiest position to get players late in the draft. My concern with Davis is his brothers’ attitude. I know it might be a little unfair, but Vernon Davis is locker room cancer. I don’t want that out of a first rounder. You forgot to mention Jenkins’ ball skills. He could line up at WR for us right now.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the Raiders.

DeAngelo Hall is not only a jerk, he also is/was really really overrated.

I don’t think Jones’ FA stock should be that great. We might luck in to a situation where he tests the waters, finds out that no one is willing to pay him ludicrous money and then comes back to us for cheaper. I would love it if things were to play out like that. I think the Raiders or Lions will offer him 12 mil/year. I would be fine with Mays in the 1st, but if the draft were tomorrow we could trade down a few spots and he would still be there. Other good safeties will be around in rounds 2+.

Thanks for helping me procrastinate.

by rufio on Dec 3, 2008 11:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree on the safties. You look around the league and there always seems to be good safties that are taken late. Dawn Landry, like I discussed, was a fifth round pick. Adrian Wilson was a third round pick. Kerry Rhodes of the Jets was a fourth rounder. Chris Horton of the Redskins could be the defensive ROY with how well he has played and he was the seventh round pick this year. That being said, Taylor Mays is awesome.

I am a believer that you work inside-out on both sides of the ball when it comes to the draft. You don’t see to many teams with good offensive and defensive lines that miss the playoffs.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Wilson was a 3rd rounder? Wow.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 1:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From a Ravens perspective

Bart Scott could easily be a great pickup for you guys. The only concern is the Ray Lewis factor, which of course is that linebackers automatically become less good when they stop playing next to Ray Lewis: see Jamie Sharper, Ed Hartwell, or Adalius Thomas. I don’t know how much I buy into that personally, as there were some other major factors, such as the Patriots asking Thomas to play MLB and Sharper playing in front of no D-Line and Hartwell’s injuries. Scott is an excellent linebacker, but lacks the coverage skills to be a #1 MLB in my opinion. He’ll get payed well.

Dawan Landry will not be given a 5th round tender. Of course, we all thought Jason Brown would get a 1st round tender and he got the 2nd round tender, but that’s neither here nor there. There are 4 levels of RFA tender. 1st and 3rd, 1st, 2nd, and whatever he was drafted at (5th). The Ravens know they can get more than a fifth for Landry so they will at worst put the 2nd round tender on him and trade him. I expect they’ll want to keep him and give him either the 1st or 2nd round tenders. Complicating this is the fact that Cleveland’s picks are going to be fairly high. That makes him virtually impossible for Cleveland to pick up if there’s a 1st round tender. Maybe you give up a high secnod round tender for him (the Ravens might not even try to block it, as they are very deep at safety). Alternatively, Savage (or whoever) could try the jerk maneuver and trade a high second rounder for a low second rounder and a seventh round pick and then use the low 2nd round tender to sign him. Teams rarely (if ever) seem to do this, so I don’t know if Cleveland would try it, especially since the front offices of the Ravens and Browns are so close.

by math_geek on Dec 4, 2008 12:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we would go after him with our 2nd. There will be too many good LBs sitting there when we pick in the second, and our two starting safeties are pretty good, especially when they are healthy. Not world-beaters, mind you, but Dawan isn’t either, especially compared to his younger brother.

by rufio on Dec 4, 2008 4:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think teams would go after Landry with there second either. I’m just saying that is where the Ravens would most likely tender him. People give Landry a hard time comparing him to his younger brother who was drafted in the top ten. Dawan Landry is a solid young safety. His struggles last year weren’t really his fault, as the team was too beat up and disfunctional for him to really be able to perform. Even then, he didn’t play badly, he was just struggling trying to account for other players’ mistakes and deficiencies. It’s disappointing he got injured so badly, as this could have been a breakout season for him.

by math_geek on Dec 4, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. If he is a second round tender he will be back with the Ravens. I was just wondering if they would considering he has been injured.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were in the Ravens FO, I would do the same thing. I did not mean to give him a “hard time”, just to point out that while he is good, he is not phenomenal. He was a great value where you drafted him.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The last time Scott was a free agent, we offered him more money but he decided to stay with Baltimore. If we were interested in him once, I think we’re bound to go after him again. Based on the lack of knowledge we have on Beau Bell’s abilities (thanks Crennel), coupled with the lackluster play by Andra Davis, I think it’d be a guarantee that Scott would be an upgrade.

However, by signing him, I wouldn’t even look for him to be a true No. 1 linebacker — at least not yet. We’ve been so deprived at middle linebacker since returning to the league that just about anybody else would make us happy. I mean, I’m just talking about basic things here, like making a sound tackle. I don’t doubt that Ray Lewis makes the rest of the group better, but that shouldn’t affect his ability to tackle.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 4, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, right. I remember Scott taking less money to stay with Baltimore a little more fondly then I’m guessing you do. But the fact that he did that is kind of refreshing (as one of my friends said, it’s nice to see athletes care about something that isn’t green). I have no doubt that Scott would be an upgrade over Andra Davis, but I was just nothing the guy above search for a “No. 1 linebacker,” and Scott, while playing with passion, solid against the run, and with excellent blitz timing, is simply not a top tier coverage linebacker, although he’s gotten better. I’ll be sorry to see him go, but I’d be shocked to see the team sign him over Ray and Suggs. We drafted Tavares Gooden for a reason.

Incidentally, it’s quite weird to me that the Browns don’t seem to do more packages. We’ve got better starting linebackers on the Ravens, but all of our linebackers get snaps in various packages. It seems like Beau Bell and company should at least be playing in those.

by math_geek on Dec 4, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get me wrong — I wasn’t complaining about anything you said. I was just giving my take on it. I was disappointed that the Browns couldn’t get Scott then, but I also thought it was refreshing to see a player stick with a team for less dough.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 4, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I wasn’t trying to be critical, just conversational.

by math_geek on Dec 4, 2008 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scott is not the playmaking answer at ILB. I see him as a Jackson type, for he’s only made 4 plays in the backfield this year as well. If we can get the 2006 Bart Scott, the 9.5 sack Bart Scott, I’m in! The bottom line is we are so starving for talent, I’d take him.

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big-time LBs don’t need run blitzes to make plays in the backfield. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take Bart Scott in a hearbeat, but he’s not the LB stud we’ve been lacking.

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I see what your'e saying

It’s another way of saying that “No. 1 linebacker thing.” It’s just not as well defined as #1 WR or “every down back”

by math_geek on Dec 4, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Scott were paired with Jackson would one of them become a #1 LB? Even if they both hang around that #2/#1A status, that would certainly be better than what we have now.

by fwembt on Dec 5, 2008 1:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is what I’m saying. Neither is a #1 LB, but Scott is an improvement over Andra Davis. Who isn’t? We still need to get a big-time LB this offseason, or make every effort to get one.

by dawginphilly on Dec 5, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wimbley

I think Wimbley’s problem is that he has one move, and this is the NFL, players adjust. His rookie season he caught everyone off guard, so after teams had some film of him his game performance deteriorated.

I think we need the coaches to get him to work on a few outside to inside moves to throw off the LTs he’s facing.

Nice write-up. Always enjoy your work.

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by HolyBuckeye on Dec 4, 2008 7:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My decision on the draft will change based on who our head coach is next season, and then whether or not they have a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense. If we go with a 4-3 defense, I’d want to go after a pass rushing defensive end in the somewhere before round four.

Either way though, I’m looking for the best available outside linebacker in round one. Alex Hall has had an intriguing rookie year, but I would still try to upgrade his position in a heartbeat because a lot of uncertainty remains there. Ideally, it’d be nice to pursue and actually sign Bart Scott to provide some better veteran leadership at our most critically needed defensive position, and then have a stud youngster working on the outside. Wimbley’s performance has been frustrating, but perhaps a new coaching staff can put him on the right track. Heck, maybe drafting a LB for Wimbley’s position and then moving Wimbley over to the other side will do the trick.

I think we sort of take a gamble at the cornerback position again next year. Hope that McDonald and Wright remain healthy as they have this year, and then hope that Holly returns fine. At safety, I’m more concerned because both Pool (concussions) and Jones (various) have been injury prone. Mike Adams has been a solid backup, but we need another insurance policy.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 4, 2008 8:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I went off the basis that Bill Cowher will be the next head coach. I don’t want to start a new discussion, but I think there is way to much smoke for there to be no fire.

And IF it is Cowher, I think that we would stay at a 3-4. That being said, this defense could swith to a 4-3 with little problem. Rogers and Williams would be starting DT’s with Smith as a back-up. Wimbley would shift down into a pure pash rushing DE and Robaire Smith could fill in, or the Browns could draft for the other DE. Jackson mans the MLB, Leon Williams at OLB and sign a FA or late round draft pick. You could even shift Jackson out to OLB and let Bell be the MLB (assuming he is any good).

I’m not saying they should, but they could. Cowher, if I am correct, always ran a 3-4 in Pittsburgh. I am personally a fan of the 3-4 as long as you have a big hoss to hold down the middle. And we do.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it would be as easy as you make it sound. If we go to a 4-3, especially one in which Rogers does not have to two-gap (i.e. Pat Williams in the Vikings’ Cover-2 base D) and we can turn both him and Williams loose (i.e. Kevin Williams in the Vikings’ scheme) we would be pretty stacked at DT.

The real problem is end. “Just” drafting a guy there is not always that easy. Even Mario Williams took a couple of years to hit his stride. Guys like Jarvis Moss—who are consensus top 25 picks—don’t make an impact the first year and are still not making an impact.

Combine that with relying on Wimbley, Leon Williams, and Jackson to essentially make position changes, and drafting another starter at LB….

Robaire would probably have to play inside in a 4-3, and he is trying to come off of a serious injury. Shaun Smith is probably better as a pure 2-gapper, but he could play in a 4-3. All of our other linemen would be more worthless than they are now.

We could do it, but to do it in one year and expect to be better than we are on D this year is a lot to ask.

I would love to get versatile guys for our front 7 who can get to the QB. Never too many of those types of guys.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 1:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that you’ve covered the needs in both offense and defense, what would you consider to be the best positional choices (including candidates if you want) in the upcoming draft? We’ve got a first, second, fourth, fifth(?), plus whatever you think we’d get in trade for Anderson. One possibility could be:
RB or CB in first round (Wells, Jennings; Davis, Jenkins) – move McDonald to nickel
CB or RB in second
OLB/DE in fourth (many to choose from)
RT from Anderson trade, or in next available round (also many choices)
Lack of success, given that we’ve gone through two quarterbacks with similar results, is play calling. Different playcalling with a new coordinator (not to mention better catching), could make a big difference for the existing crew.
If we make our running game more threatening, this could also help the existing receivers.

by NM Dawg on Dec 4, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Amend that: Jennings could be gotten possibly in the 4th round, allowing an earlier opening for OLB/DE. Also, I see we’ve got a 6th round pick, not a 5th round.

by NM Dawg on Dec 4, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LB is a must in the first and/or second rounds

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cushing does sound good, and he might just fall far enough to pick him up in the second.
In my post, I was assuming we could get some D-line and additional linebacker depth in free agency, allowing some of the other needs to be high in draft priority.

by NM Dawg on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you. To me, the main focus should be a playmaking lb w/ our first pick. But then again, if the right player is there, we need a pass rusher just as bad.

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Playmaking LBs and pass rushers are not mutually exclusive groups of guys.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this, it’s a 3-4. But you are looking from different things if you are drafting an ILB as opposed to an OLB. I think they need an ILB.

by dawginphilly on Dec 5, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason I think Cushing may fall is because I don’t think he will test off the charts. His listed 40 times are not blazing (most I have seen are in the 4.6 range) and is still quite new to OLB. (He played Safety and DE at USC).

I think some guys will come in and run great times (Marcus Freeman, Anthony Heygood I epect will both run in the 4.4’s) pushing them past Cushing in the stop-watch loving community of some NFL scouts.

Also I thin most 4-3 teams see him as the dreaded tweener. LaMarr Woodley is a good comparison for Cushing. Woodley had 15 more lbs coming out of College but you see what I mean. Woodley was drafted with the 46th pick. I can see Woodley going in the late first, but I think the top-to-midddle of the second is more his spot. We can only hope.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right. He’s not the freakish athlete that, for example, Taylor Mays or Malcolm Jenkins is, but the dude can play. I’m developing a man crush.

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will be surprised if Freeman runs in the 4.4s. OSU has a fast track, but its not that fast. Freeman is an explosive guy (holds the OSU hang clean record) but his closing speed is not as good as his initial quickness.

IMO, initial quickness matters more on the field, but it won’t be as flashy come April.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 2:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My dream scenario would be;

First round; Micheal Johnson (Don’t know if he lasts to pick 12-15 though.) If Johnson is gone I would like the Browns to take Terrance Cody. I know he isn’t a pass rusher, put the chance to line-up Cody and Rogers nect to each other for the next 5-6 years is awesome. Think of the Williams wall in Minnesota, just BIGGER.

Second round; Brian Cushing, I listed my reasons why he will last into the second round below. He is too good of a football player (I hate that term too) to let him pass the Browns. We did it with LaMarr Woodley two years ago and now we are going to have to play him twice a year. I hope we dont do the same with Cushing. If Cushing is gone, which he very well could be, I would look for the Browns to add another pass rusher or a top RB if they have dropped (Think WR’s in last years draft).

Third round* (I believe we will get a 3rd and a 5th for Derek Anderson. My basis is that no matter how poorly we believe that he has played this year, this is a win now league. A coach that will be on the hot seat that needs a QB (Childress?) will be more than willing to trade a 3rd and fifth round pick for a guy that can help win now, then draft a kid that won’t be able to help until after he is fired.) James Davis RB Clemson. He was the “thunder” part of Clemsons duo TB system. Dont be fooled, he has big play ability. He also can block (He was used as a FB at times to free up Spiller) and catch out of the backfield. He would be a great value and need if he lasts to the third round.

Here is some video I found; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeovxDqZYyA

Fourth round; Maurice Evans He has played poorly this year, but his 12.5 sacks as a Sophmore are not a fluke and this kid has a ton of talent.

Fifth round and on this team should be looking at best player available regardless of where he plays.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming you would use Johnson from the outside, wouldn’t it be great to have someone coming around the edge who isn’t just good, but downright frightening? There’s a big difference between 6’2" and 6’7"!

by NM Dawg on Dec 4, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I love Wells, and I think he’ll make a fantastic pro, the Browns have bigger needs to draft a RB first round (and I don’t think he’ll last that long). Although he would be hard to pass up. I would love to get Jenkins — I know CB isn’t our biggest need but with him and Wright we would be really hard to pass against (provided we get a decent pass rush) and McDonald would be a pretty good nickel. I haven’t read much about other players yet — that will come after the season is over — so I can’t really add to much of what’s already said, but I like the idea of Cushing in the second round.

As I’ve mentioned before, RB is a position that you can get in later rounds, so outside of Beanie the Browns shouldn’t even look at any in the first round. I like the idea of James Davis, mentioned by Bernie, or a guy like Hill or Ringer, big guys who would complement Harrison. There could also be many juniors coming out — I think DeMarco Murry at Oklahoma is a junior and he’s got some talent.

Michael Jenkins is simply a playmaker. If he’s on the board when the Browns pick Savage should run to the phone to call in the pick.

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 4, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel that CB is a position similar to RB in that you can find guys later in the draft that can step in and be productive. i.e. Brandon McDonald, 5th rounder.
The glaring need for a pass rusher and linebacker is so hard to look past, but if Malcolm Jenkins is there, it would be hard to pass on him.

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t agree with that. Good CB’s are usually drafted high and I think it is rare for a low-round CB to step in and start early while low-round RB do that all the time. McDonald isn’t a very good example because he has struggled often this season. I’m not saying he’s never going to be a good starter, but I wouldn’t hold him up there as your best example.

In my opinion, these positions are usually drafted high: QB, OT, DL, CB. These are positions you can usually find good talent lower in the draft: RB, WR, S, LB

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 4, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its all about VORP. Champ Bailey is the best CB in the league, but he has less impact on a game vs. a healthy Dwight Freeney, Mario Williams, Osi, the real Julius Peppers, etc.

Sub Bailey out for an average CB and keep in a top shelf pass rusher and you will be better off than subbing out Shawne Merriman for Willie McGinest (circa 2008) and keeping Bailey in.

I think Cincinnati’s D is anecdotal evidence of this, as is Denver’s. You can bring up the NYG from last year when their whole secondary was banged up, too.

Looking at the draft history over the past couple of years, however, the only second day guy who stands out as being a good player is Asante Samuel. Nathan Vasher was a good buy in the 4th round. There are a bunch of guys in the 2nd round who are good/great players, and a lot of the 1st round guys work out. I am not counting last year, but believe it was a very deep class and a lot of guys from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds can work out. There are also a few like Scandrick from the 5th who might work out from late.

Basically, without a pass rush you can’t defend the pass. To get a good CB, its a good idea to draft him early.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 2:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you don’t agree.

by dawginphilly on Dec 5, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh? I’m not allowed express a different opinion?

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 5, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 5, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with that.

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 5, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you disagreeing on that.

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by ChrisPokorny on Dec 5, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing I like about Malcom is that he is a leader. There is no question who is the leader of that starstudded defense. He plays with such emotion and fire that it carries to the other players. Much like when K2 is playing well and the offense seems to take it up a notch.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Browns draft a running back in the first round they have failed colossally. J. Lewis is done, but you can find decent backs elsewhere. Add a back once you have filled your pressing holes. Beanie is fantastic, Moreno is great, etc. None of that matters with the problems on this team.

by gahnki on Dec 8, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Moreno eligible? I was under the impression he was a sophmore. Don’t follow Georgia too closely, though.

by rufio on Dec 10, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure he’s a redshirt sophomore, because I think I’ve heard his name mentioned in draft talk, but I could be wrong.

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 10, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is a redshirt sophomore.

by gahnki on Dec 10, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree. the “miss” rate of first round (especially top 10-15) RBs is just nuts…not to mention their shelf life anymore is so short.

FA and later round RBs are in far too much abundance, and the Browns’ needs far too substantial, to take an early RB.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 11, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn’t agree more about Maurice Evans. I’m a Penn State guy, live close by, and get all of the PSU news, and trust me, the legal hiccup wasn’t much of anything. i think it got more press than it warranted simply because of the past legal issues with the team. he’s been a solid player, he’d be a steal for us in the 4th round, and i’d love to see it.

by Dawg Nuts on Dec 4, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was very suprised when I saw that most scouts had him as a fourth to fifth round guy. From what I have seen he reminds me of Trent Cole of the Eagles. I am in the minority that believes that he can be a 3-4 OLB.

Hell he would be worth a 4th rounder just to use in pass rush situations.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see Brian Cushing from USC in a Browns uniform. However, I don’t see him dropping to the 2nd round, and top 10 is too high to take him. The kid has a nose for big plays and big hits.

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i live in LA and follow USC…you’re spot on. cushing is maybe the best player (well, mays is pretty great) on a legendary defense, and would look great rushing the passer in cleveland. depending on who comes out this year, though, we might be able to sneak him into berea in the second round. everything i see in the early scouting (mcshay, etc.) has him in the 30s as a prospect.

interestingly, i believe clay matthews to be the best all-around linebacker at USC this year. cushing gets the sacks, and maualuga the big sticks, but clay is fundamentally very sound, has good discipline, and makes a ton of plays. i would mind seeing him in round 3 or 4.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 4, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if you took the Browns current LB core, and replaced them w/ USCs across the board, USCs LBs would be embarassingly more productive.

by dawginphilly on Dec 4, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said above, everytime I have watched USC this year (probably around 7 times) Cushing just stands out. He looks like a man amongst boys. It kind of reminds me of when Peter Warrick and Laveranues Coles were both at FSU. Everyone loved the big play ability of Warrick, but Coles was the one who made the plays (until he got kicked off the team).

When it is said and done I think Cushing will be the better player in the NFL because he can do so much. He can rush the passer, cover and stop the run. Maualuga seems to just look for big hits. And you may be the one to ask, but I notice that Maualuga seems to try and do a lot of the shoulder tackling, while Cushing does a better kob of wrapping up. Just my opinion.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we just hire Ken Norton Jr?

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 2:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He does seem to be around a lot of good young LB’s lately doesn’t he?

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 5, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When I was growing up, he was pretty good himself. There should be some pretty good LBs who will be in line for coaching jobs soon. I would love to have a former great coaching our guys.

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s Clay Matthews up to these days?

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by Buckeye Brad on Dec 5, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we could draft clay matthews.

by DaytonDogg on Dec 5, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mauluga is the most overrated linebacker in college. He is a highlight reel player; can make the hits but disappears for entire halves.

I broke down the Ohio State/USC game and it is amazing how often he just falls down. Horrible reads half the time…not even close to the ball the other half. I watched the game the first time and believed he had dominated. The truth was almost the exact opposite. His interception was the only highlight.

by gahnki on Dec 8, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and even on the INT the sports illustrated article about the game had a great pic of him stepping out of bounds!

you’re right, maualuga is a freakish athlete who excels at the college level b/c he makes big hits and is on USC. but he’s fundamentally very weak, which is a direct result of his desire to make the highlight play. he overpursues, he gets sucked in on fakes…but he’s mean as hell and he loves football, which combines with his athleticism (and size) to make him formidable in college. i’m down on his pro prospects.

by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d still rather have that than Andra Davis.

Doesn’t necessarily make him a good pick, I would just much rather have the guy who is fired up and flying around than the guy who is too cautious and slow.

by rufio on Dec 12, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still think its way too early to talk about getting specific guys, especially after the 1st round, maybe the second if you think we will be in the top 8 picks/round.

Who I like in the 1st round:
Maualuga
Cushing
Cody
Jenkins
V. Davis
Johnson (provided he can either move to OLB or we move to a 4-3 front)

If we get any of the LBs/Johnson there, a RB, another LB, or a CB would be good options to look at in the 2nd. I would also consider a WR there. Last year, guys like Donnie Avery, Jordy Nelson, DeSean Jackson, and Eddie Royal were there in the 2nd. Imagine having someone with Royal’s talent for a 2nd round pick and having Braylon start catching again!

If we got Cody, we could move Rogers out to end in our 3-4, and that would pretty much shut down one side of the line. Rogers could also get a lot more pressure from the DE position as triple-teaming him with 3OL would be almost impossible.

My wish list is still:
2 LB who can get to the passer
2 WR
1 CB
1 RB

by rufio on Dec 5, 2008 2:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like that list, and depending on what we get for Anderson (going on the assumption that he’ll be traded) maybe we can get another DE and an OL.

Davis is probably gone after this year, but isn’t he actually only making something around $900k this year? I thought he agreed to a restructured contract.

by JustBob on Dec 5, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He did take a pay cut this year to stay with the team. He has not played well.

by rufio on Dec 7, 2008 3:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the Boston College game today and I was not at all impressed with B.J. Raji.

by rufio on Dec 7, 2008 3:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If we go to a 4-3 then we need to draft a defensive end. If we stick with the 3-4 then we need a linebacker.

What is ironic is that the Browns may be better fitted for a 4-3 defense right now than the one they’ve been building over the last three years.

S. Rogers/C. Williams at DT with the Smith’s outside. Add a speed rusher and you have a nice line. Maybe Wimbley drops down? Can he? I do not know.

If we did that then we would need a Mike backer. Jackson would be too undersized for the traditional role.

If the Browns have a chance at Malcolm Jenkins or Aaron Curry then they need to jump at it. Jenkins is the perfect corner; excels in man/zone and can play some safety. Curry would add the speed to the linebacker position.

by gahnki on Dec 8, 2008 6:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So, it seems that the first step in figuring out which way the team goes is figuring out who’s going to be running the team and what kind of system they want compared to what talent is currently available in-house.

I’m certainly no expert, but it seems that even if the Browns stay with the 3-4, they’re gonna need a truck load of new bodies. The free agents are going to cost a bundle, and I’m not sure how much room the Browns have in their cap. And, unless they trade away the first round pick, it looks like they’re going to be spending a chunk of change there.

Am I totally wrong to think that the Browns should look to see who they can trade to gain draft picks? It seems that even some extra 3rd-5th rounders would help at this point no matter what defense they end up running, but who do you trade?

Anderson seems like a no-brainer. I have no idea what his value in the league is, but I’m guessing he’d still bring us some much needed picks, and I wouldn’t mind seeing a decent veteran signed as the #2 guy. (Dorsey and Gradkowski can arm wrestle for the #3)

Stalworth. Would anyone take him? He’s got to be worth a mid- to low-round pick. I wouldn’t cry if he got traded. I’d like to see JJ back in the lineup, but I’m not holding my breath and I think the Browns need to see about getting one more dependable vet WR.

The only potentially big trade I see is Winslow. The problem is that he is one of the few big-play guys that is producing – at least when he’s healthy. That health, though, could drop his value. On top of that, his most likely replacement is Rucker and we have no idea how well he can play. Let’s face it, 31 other teams didn’t deem him worth a 1st-3rd round pick. Sure, some gems just get overlooked, but right now we still don’t know if there’s any sparkle in this one. However, if someone were to offer a 1st-rounder I think I would be willing to gamble on Rucker and draft two stud defensive players in the first round.

I’d love to hear other ideas on how the Browns could go about getting the personnel they need to get this train driving forward.

by JustBob on Dec 10, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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