2008 NFL Draft Day 2 Open Thread
by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
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Please feel free to chat about the 2008 NFL Draft for Day 2 here! I'll update this post throughout the day if there are any rumors regarding the Cleveland Browns.
Cleveland Browns' Day 2 Picks
Round 4 (No. 104): Beau Bell, LB - UNLV*
Round 4 (No. 111): Martin Rucker, TE - Missouri*
Round 6 (No. 190): Athyba Rubin, DT - Iowa St.
Round 6 (No. 191): Paul Hubbard, WR - Wisconsin**
Round 7 (No. 231): Alex Hall, DE - St. Augustine
*Picks were acquired through the Dallas Cowboys. In the deal:
Browns to Dallas: No. 122 overall and No. 155 overall in 2008.
Browns to Dallas: 3rd round pick in 2009.
Dallas to Browns: No. 104 overall and No. 111 overall in 2008.
**Pick was acquired through the Philadelphia Eagles.
Browns to Eagles: 5th round pick in 2009.
Eagles to Browns: No. 191 overall in 2008.
Live Updates (Newest at Bottom)
10:38 a.m: Dan Connor is off the board, as he is drafted by the Carolina Panthers. So far, Bruce Davis, Shawn Crable, Orlando Scandrick, Jack Williams, Marcus Harrison, Frank Okam, and Mario Manningham are all still available. Each of those players have been rumored to be going to the Browns, among others. Of course, we're still in round three here.
10:41 a.m: Go Cavs, right? Here's to hoping we don't get blown out again by the Wizards.
10:45 a.m: Sorry Shawn Crable fans: the New England Patriots just took him with the 79th overall pick. Right now, I'm leaning towards wanting either Bruce Davis or Orlando Scandrick, we'll see how things develop.
10:49 a.m: No word yet on the Fabian Washington deal. If something were to happen, I'd expect it to occur right when we're about to pick.
10:53 a.m: My goodness, what a great draft for the Panthers so far. In the third round, they've already drafted Charles Godfrey and Dan Connor. That adds to their Day 1 success.
10:56 a.m: I'm probably going to have to leave between noon and 2:00 p.m, unfortunately. If anything major happen during that time and I'm away, feel free to make a fanpost about it and I'll promote it to the front page when I get back.
10:58 a.m: With Dan Connor gone, I hear some chatter on other Browns boards that fans would like to see Beau Bell in a Cleveland uniform. I don't think our inside linebackers are a strong point of our defense, but I don't know if Bell would necessarily make a significant difference either.
11:14 a.m: With the 88th overall pick, the Steelers just grabbed Bruce Davis. The player a few of us wanted is now despised beyond belief. Right now, I'd definitely ditch the 4th rounder for Washington, if the deal is still on the table.
11:22 a.m: Marcus Harrison is gone.
11:40 a.m: The Giants just took Mario Manningham near the end of round three. It would've been intriguing to have him, but defense is still our priority.
11:51 a.m: Round four is underway! The Browns' first pick should be 22 picks away. Jack Williams, Trae Williams, and Orlando Scandrick all still remain on the board at the cornerback position.
11:55 a.m: Yikes! Cornerbacks Tyvon Branch and Justin King are taken with the first two picks in round two. The next three best cornerbacks are now the ones we were interested in, and we're still 20 picks away.
11:57 a.m: I just realized: the Raiders traded up to get cornerback Tyvon Branch. Could that be an indicator that Washington is leaving soon?
2:15 p.m: I left when the Cowboys were on the clock in the fourth round with the fifth pick. I come back now to see that the Browns traded up at that pick. That just burns me, sitting through hours yesterday and this morning, and the very PICK I leave, we made our move.
2:18 p.m: So, here's what happened with the 104th overall pick. The Browns traded their 122nd pick and 155th pick to the Cowboys to move up. Then, the Browns selected inside linebacker Beau Bell. As I pointed out earlier, many of you were interested in Bell.
2:20 p.m: It's official that the Browns and Cowboys are in love with each other when it comes to dealing on draft day. We actually got the Cowboys' 111th overall pick in the draft as well, but we also gave Dallas our third-round draft pick in 2009.
With the 111th overall pick, the Browns selected tight end Martin Rucker out of Missouri. I had an eerie feeling that we'd be drafting a tight end. Savage says that this was a value pick, and he'd better think that considering what he gave up. On the same note, I keep hearing from Savage and ESPN that Rucker is first-round talent. While we like Steve Heiden, I'm guessing this is a pick that's supposed to make opposing teams really pay if they double-team Winslow with linebackers or safeties.
2:34 p.m: As DBN user talonk mentioned earlier, Fabian Washington was shipped to the Baltimore Ravens. It cost the Ravens a late fourth-round pick. Based on Savage's deal, he probably preferred the thought of getting Bell and Rucker over getting Washington only.
2:38 p.m: Some statistical data from last season for TE Martin Rucker:
Not too bad for a fourth rounder, eh?
2:42 p.m: Cornerback Trae Williams is still up there. The Browns have a ways to go though until they pick again.
2:53 p.m: Williams goes to Jacksonville at No. 159 overall. By the time you get to 6th and 7th round talent, it truly is hit or miss (mostly miss) in terms of projecting who we'll get. Cornerback may be more of a need, but we could take a wide receiver, or heck, another tight end.
4:14 p.m: In the sixth round, the Browns took DT Athyba Rubin from Iowa State at No. 190. Then, the Browns worked out a trade to acquire the VERY next pick, No. 191. With that pick, the Browns took WR Paul Hubbard from Wisconsin. I'm guessing we gave up a pick in 2009 to acquire Hubbard, more to follow on that though.
4:21 p.m: Looks like in order to get Hubbard, we gave the Eagles our 5th round pick in 2009.
4:48 p.m: Michigan's Mike Hart is off the board, as he went late in round six to the Colts. I'm sure a few 'experts' in the media will question why the Browns didn't take a flier on him. I can't imagine Savage coveting anyone else too much, but I'll still keep my eyes open for a trade possibility.
5:07 p.m: Lack of faith in Aaron Rodgers, or simply having as many options as possible? After Favre's retirement, the Packers have drafted Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn.
5:40 p.m: The Browns are up in about three picks here. My money is on us taking Kenny Mayne.
5:48 p.m: With our final pick, the Browns selected DE Alex Hall. ESPN lists his college as null, so I'll try and look him up quickly.
5:51 p.m: Hall is from St. Augustine.
5:52 p.m: The Browns 2008 Draft should be officially over. I'll have scouting reports on the players we picked throughout the week.
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BAM! Crable is taken by the Patriots. To the guy who was going to puke if we drafted him, you can breath a sigh of relief.
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Hmm…wonder if I’ll get any visitors today with a big Cavs game and an Indians vs. Yankees game both starting at 1:00 p.m.
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The Steelers grabbed Bruce Davis. Surprised to see a couple of the defensive tackles still up there…
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As I say that, Marcus Harrison is off the boards.
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There was a time where I thought he’d be a future first rounder.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be happy if I was Booty if you look at it from the perspective of what team picked him. Booty would never have a shot at playing time with Brady there (and Matt Cassel isn’t too shabby either).
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Chauncy Washington still there, Ben Moffett from South Florida(great motor, great character guy), a few others I’d wouldn’t mind seeing in a Browns uniform.
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
Keilen Dykes too. Time to find that late round gem, Phil.
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm. Saw him play a couple of times (thanks to YOU source for college football no one cares about, VERSUS), remember him as decent but not overwhelming
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
Huh. A TE from Mizzou. interesting.
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Well, as good as KW2 is, he does have an injury history. That knee is just going to get worse over time. Trust me, bad knees suck.
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
Rucker was one of Missouri’s two best pass catching threats this year in their prolific offense. Great height and also brother of Martin Rucker
Still, with the holes we have in the D, I’m not sure that was the best pick…...
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
The value of Martin Rucker is pretty sweet here. He is a very athletic TE that can learn for a year behind Hieden and then turn into the second TE. Remember, Chud loves to use TE’s in his offense. Plus it gives us the option to flex out K2 in short yardage situations and still have a dangerous athletic TE to hold the middle down. I love the pick, I thought he would be gone by now.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 27, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
SO does that mean all of our draft picks are gone now? We dealt the fifth to move up for Bell. What did we deal to move back into the 5th? Both the 6th and 7th? Are we done drafting?
ESPN still has us with the 24th pick in the 6th round….for the moment
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so we keep the 6th and 7th, and just lose our 3rd next year? Was that the deal? Man Dallas sure is getting alot of our picks. Wonder who they thought would take Rucker that they needed to move back into the 4th.
Rucker was redshirted in 2003. In his first three seasons (2004-’06), he started every game (36) and notched 119 receptions for 1,341 yards (11.3 average) and 10 touchdowns. Rucker underwent arthroscopic surgery on the labrum in his right shoulder in 2004 but did not miss any playing time. As a senior, he was a focal point of the Tigers’ offense, racking up 84 receptions for 834 yards (9.9 average) and eight touchdowns in 14 games. He led the nation’s tight ends in receptions per game (6.0) in 2007, broke the school mark for catches in a season and finished his career having started in all 50 games, another Missouri record. For his career, he also had 16 rushing attempts for 56 yards and showed special teams value, with nine tackles. He is the younger brother of Carolina Panthers defensive end Mike Rucker.
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
I happen to be a Mizzou fan and watched most of Rucker’s games last year, so I can say the guy is a great red zone threat, and has great athleticism/speed for his size. Certainly not drafted for his blocking ability and I am a little surprised we went tight end, but in my opinion he comes in day 1 and has more of an impact on the offensive side of the ball than Heiden. Will not match Heiden or Dinkin’s special teams contributions, so it will be interesting if we keep all 4 on the roster.
Yeah, me too….the more I read on him th better I’m liking him. Oh look, ESPN actually bothered to interview Savage!
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil says Rucker was a value pick, not a need pick. Also said they might go to more 2 TE sets to take advantage of him. Hmmm…
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Unbelievable…literally ON THE PICK that I had to leave for two hours, the Browns made a trade. Time to quickly get caught up here…Beau Bell!
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I think Beau Bell gives the Browns the option to turn Leon Williams into an OLB. Williams has the size and athleticism to be a very active OLB. He is always around the ball.
Bell has been a tackling machine. A very “blue collar” type of player. Really reminds me of D’Qwell Jackson.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 27, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point with Leon Williams. Andra Davis seems to be on thin ice in terms of performance these days, so it’ll be interesting to see if Bell gets the chance to compete for a starting role.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Steelers draft Dennis Dixon. Interesting…...very, very interesting
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Charlie Batch is shivering.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Squeelers
I think if we can stretch out there LB’s with our TE’s D.A. can pick them apart , and there O-line isn’t good we should be able to put big pressure on Ben this year.
Mike Hart
If he is there at pick 190 should we take him to replace J.Lewis in the next few years? Might be a good idea. Hart might be a steal at pick 190.
I would support taking a shot on Hart.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess. Hes a solid enough runner. I just hate the guy.
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Braylon Edwards didn’t talk half the shit Mike Hart does. Braylon Edwards actually projects to the next level well.
Mike Hart is slow, small, and will probably still be there when the draft is over.
True. I don’t just hate Hart because he’s from the school up north, I hated him because he was a shit-talking douche who always failed to back up his bravado on the field of honor.
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I’ll be in the minority here as one of the only Michigan/Browns fans….but as an Ann Arbor resident for the past 7 years Hart has been the most enjoyable college football player to watch that I’ve ever been around. He spent a lot of his college career battling one kind of injury or another, but 5,000 yards is nothing to scoff at. And yeah, his 270 yards against Ohio State across 4 seasons didn’t represent his best efforts, but there were a lot of big games that Hart carried the Michigan team on his undersized frame.
No idea if Hart’s got a future in the NFL, but he’s been a pleasure to watch and someone I’ll root for regardless of what his future holds.
I don’t think he fills anything we don’t have. Jamal is the big bruiser, Jason is smaller and a nice change of pace, while Jerome is very quick and shifty.
Mike Hart is just slow.
is that CB from kent state still available? I think the PD did something on him maybe coming to the Browns a couple days ago…
Got it from Philly. not sure yet what we gave up
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hubbard was one of the spotlighted guys on the list Chris put up from Metcalf Up the Middle:
Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin (6’3, 221, 4.49): I have no idea if Paul Hubbard is in any way related to former Cav legend and Mayfield Heights resident Phil Hubbard, but I’m just going to assume he is. Hubbs, as I’ve begun to call him, lost some draft value at the Combine. After training with his godfather, Dinner Bell Mel Turpin, Hubbard ran slower than expected, turning in a 4.49 40. Turp the Burb was jettisoned after the Combine, and a series of grueling workouts (and French lessons) with Ben Poquette got Hubbard down to a 4.38 40 yard dash time during his Pro Day. Hubbard stands 6’3 with a 40 inch vertical leap, which will make him an effective red zone target at the next level.
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They showed some video of Hubbard. looks good. Hes evidently a track star turned WR, so hes good with little experience. Potential, potential, potential….
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Tuba Rubin
Good run stuffer, decent quickness for a guy his size. Played mainly OL in JUCO, switched to the middle of the 4-3 at ISU. Not exactly a standout player, but was able to get some significant push into the offensive backfield.
That’s why Travis Wilson fell to us as well, though our risk on him was much more invested (3rd round vs. 6th round).
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d certainly think so
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
A corner in round seven isn’t really necessary at this point. We might as well take our time and pick through the undrafted free agents.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good. a player I hate went to a team I harbor a grudge against. Can’t wait for that Colts…
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GAME. that colts GAME. Odd, I thought I typed the whole thing
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kenton Keith didn’t exactly hammer the backup role down last season behind Addai, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Hart gets some touches against us in Week 13.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent. Perhaps our new friend Beau can introduce himself…with extreme prejudice!
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh….the Eagles drafted a guy from Wheaton. Didn;t know Wheaton had a football program. You learn something every day….
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I’ll be interested to see if either or your earlier mentions, Chauncey Washington and Ben Moffitt, make there way to the 7th round when we’re on the clock.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
AFC NORTH DRAFT GRADES
MY opinion
Ratbirds- C-
Bungles- B
Squeelers- B+
Browns- Still had the best draft with proven players in rounds 1-3
Barring a trade, the Browns will be on the clock again somewhere between 50 minutes and 1 hour and 10 minutes.
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We’ve already given up a 3rd and a 5th in 2009, and a 1st or 2nd are out of the question. Lito Sheppard for a 4th rounder in 2009?
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Lions picked Caleb Campbell from Army. heavy stuff man….get drafted or go to Iraq
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Sizzle.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We drafted DE Alex Hall. College = null, according to ESPN.
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Listed hm as from St. Augustine….
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
ic…the one and only…
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I see 6’3, 250 on another site.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN says 6’5, 219.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 27, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
St. Augustine’s College in Raleigh SC. Small liberal arts college
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re saying he projects as an ILB
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
well, so much for Ben Moffett. damn. Gotta say I’ve never heard of Alex Hill
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Hall, sorry
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 27, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty pleased with this draft.
I’m surprised that Beau Bell was still on the board when we got him.
I’m surprised Rubin was there as well. He projects as the perfect 3-4 NT. We finally have talented depth on the DL and at the LB spot.
I have no doubt we will sign some undrafted CB’s.
And I’m extremely happy that the Steelers didn’t draft an O-linemen until the fourth round (3rd?).
Steeler fans
It’s so funny how ALL steeler fans think that all there picks are PLAYMAKERS!!!!! I was reading the posts at BTSC. They should call that website bias behind the steel curtain.
Ok, here’s the unrestricted FA’s so far:
RB Austin Scott (Penn State)
LB Nick Moore (Baylor)
RB Tony Temple and CB Darnell Terrell.(Mizzou)
DE Xavier Mitchell, Tennessee
QB Craig Hormann, Columbia
K Jason Reda, Illinois
from drewd at theclevelandfan.com forums…
DRAFT PICKS:
4.108 LB Beau Bell, Cincinnati
4.111 TE Martin Rucker, Missouri
6.190 DT Ahtyba Rubin, Iowa State
6.191 WR Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin
7.231 LB Alex Hall, St. Augustine
Signed UDFA Players.
QB Craig Hormann (Columbia)
DE Xavier Mitchell (Tennessee)
K Jason Reda (Illinois)
WR Lance Leggett (Miami, FL)
RB Tony Temple (Missouri)
CB Darnell Terrell (Missouri)
DT Brian Schaefering (Lindenwood)
S Justin Harrison (Illinois)
C Robbie Powell (Purdue)
TE Kolo Kapanui (Kamehameha)
DE Chase Ortiz (TCU)
CB Jonathan Zenon (LSU)
OL James Lee (South Carolina State)
CB Gerard Lawson (Oregon State)
CB Jerrid Gaines (Miami Ohio)
WR Brandon Copeland (Bridgewater College)
RB Travis Thomas (Notre Dame)
OL Eric Young (Tennessee)
OT Brian Stamper (Vanderbilt)
LB Jermaine Dias (Virgnia)
S Greg Hay (Toledo)
TE Ben Barkema (Iowa State)
WR James Banks (Carson-Newman)
Invited UDFA Players to Rookie camp.
RB Austin Scott (Penn State)
LB Nick Moore (Baylor)
- (University of Dayton) FS Kevin Hoyng
- (University of Dayton) TE Matt Champa
- (Toledo) CB Andrew Hawkins
Agree. Xavier Mitchell is also a nice find.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 29, 2008 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Going into the summer we have little to no depth at corner or safety. I love McDonald and Wright, and I even like Holly, but jeez that is a lot of youth and no depth. Doesn’t help my confidence that we basically have two safetys who only learned how to be succesful at the end of last year.
Also would really like an upgrade behind Lewis at RB.
I still think LB is a weakness. Davis and Jackson should not be starters. I really hope Bell works out. Wimbley is fine, but I can’t see any other OLB piling up the sacks, as they should in the 3-4.
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