2008 NFL Draft Day 2 Open Thread
Please feel free to chat about the 2008 NFL Draft for Day 2 here! I'll update this post throughout the day if there are any rumors regarding the Cleveland Browns.
Cleveland Browns' Day 2 Picks
Round 4 (No. 104): Beau Bell, LB - UNLV*
Round 4 (No. 111): Martin Rucker, TE - Missouri*
Round 6 (No. 190): Athyba Rubin, DT - Iowa St.
Round 6 (No. 191): Paul Hubbard, WR - Wisconsin**
Round 7 (No. 231): Alex Hall, DE - St. Augustine
*Picks were acquired through the Dallas Cowboys. In the deal:
Browns to Dallas: No. 122 overall and No. 155 overall in 2008.
Browns to Dallas: 3rd round pick in 2009.
Dallas to Browns: No. 104 overall and No. 111 overall in 2008.
**Pick was acquired through the Philadelphia Eagles.
Browns to Eagles: 5th round pick in 2009.
Eagles to Browns: No. 191 overall in 2008.
Live Updates (Newest at Bottom)
10:38 a.m: Dan Connor is off the board, as he is drafted by the Carolina Panthers. So far, Bruce Davis, Shawn Crable, Orlando Scandrick, Jack Williams, Marcus Harrison, Frank Okam, and Mario Manningham are all still available. Each of those players have been rumored to be going to the Browns, among others. Of course, we're still in round three here.
10:41 a.m: Go Cavs, right? Here's to hoping we don't get blown out again by the Wizards.
10:45 a.m: Sorry Shawn Crable fans: the New England Patriots just took him with the 79th overall pick. Right now, I'm leaning towards wanting either Bruce Davis or Orlando Scandrick, we'll see how things develop.
10:49 a.m: No word yet on the Fabian Washington deal. If something were to happen, I'd expect it to occur right when we're about to pick.
10:53 a.m: My goodness, what a great draft for the Panthers so far. In the third round, they've already drafted Charles Godfrey and Dan Connor. That adds to their Day 1 success.
10:56 a.m: I'm probably going to have to leave between noon and 2:00 p.m, unfortunately. If anything major happen during that time and I'm away, feel free to make a fanpost about it and I'll promote it to the front page when I get back.
10:58 a.m: With Dan Connor gone, I hear some chatter on other Browns boards that fans would like to see Beau Bell in a Cleveland uniform. I don't think our inside linebackers are a strong point of our defense, but I don't know if Bell would necessarily make a significant difference either.
11:14 a.m: With the 88th overall pick, the Steelers just grabbed Bruce Davis. The player a few of us wanted is now despised beyond belief. Right now, I'd definitely ditch the 4th rounder for Washington, if the deal is still on the table.
11:22 a.m: Marcus Harrison is gone.
11:40 a.m: The Giants just took Mario Manningham near the end of round three. It would've been intriguing to have him, but defense is still our priority.
11:51 a.m: Round four is underway! The Browns' first pick should be 22 picks away. Jack Williams, Trae Williams, and Orlando Scandrick all still remain on the board at the cornerback position.
11:55 a.m: Yikes! Cornerbacks Tyvon Branch and Justin King are taken with the first two picks in round two. The next three best cornerbacks are now the ones we were interested in, and we're still 20 picks away.
11:57 a.m: I just realized: the Raiders traded up to get cornerback Tyvon Branch. Could that be an indicator that Washington is leaving soon?
2:15 p.m: I left when the Cowboys were on the clock in the fourth round with the fifth pick. I come back now to see that the Browns traded up at that pick. That just burns me, sitting through hours yesterday and this morning, and the very PICK I leave, we made our move.
2:18 p.m: So, here's what happened with the 104th overall pick. The Browns traded their 122nd pick and 155th pick to the Cowboys to move up. Then, the Browns selected inside linebacker Beau Bell. As I pointed out earlier, many of you were interested in Bell.
2:20 p.m: It's official that the Browns and Cowboys are in love with each other when it comes to dealing on draft day. We actually got the Cowboys' 111th overall pick in the draft as well, but we also gave Dallas our third-round draft pick in 2009.
With the 111th overall pick, the Browns selected tight end Martin Rucker out of Missouri. I had an eerie feeling that we'd be drafting a tight end. Savage says that this was a value pick, and he'd better think that considering what he gave up. On the same note, I keep hearing from Savage and ESPN that Rucker is first-round talent. While we like Steve Heiden, I'm guessing this is a pick that's supposed to make opposing teams really pay if they double-team Winslow with linebackers or safeties.
2:34 p.m: As DBN user talonk mentioned earlier, Fabian Washington was shipped to the Baltimore Ravens. It cost the Ravens a late fourth-round pick. Based on Savage's deal, he probably preferred the thought of getting Bell and Rucker over getting Washington only.
2:38 p.m: Some statistical data from last season for TE Martin Rucker:
Not too bad for a fourth rounder, eh?
2:42 p.m: Cornerback Trae Williams is still up there. The Browns have a ways to go though until they pick again.
2:53 p.m: Williams goes to Jacksonville at No. 159 overall. By the time you get to 6th and 7th round talent, it truly is hit or miss (mostly miss) in terms of projecting who we'll get. Cornerback may be more of a need, but we could take a wide receiver, or heck, another tight end.
4:14 p.m: In the sixth round, the Browns took DT Athyba Rubin from Iowa State at No. 190. Then, the Browns worked out a trade to acquire the VERY next pick, No. 191. With that pick, the Browns took WR Paul Hubbard from Wisconsin. I'm guessing we gave up a pick in 2009 to acquire Hubbard, more to follow on that though.
4:21 p.m: Looks like in order to get Hubbard, we gave the Eagles our 5th round pick in 2009.
4:48 p.m: Michigan's Mike Hart is off the board, as he went late in round six to the Colts. I'm sure a few 'experts' in the media will question why the Browns didn't take a flier on him. I can't imagine Savage coveting anyone else too much, but I'll still keep my eyes open for a trade possibility.
5:07 p.m: Lack of faith in Aaron Rodgers, or simply having as many options as possible? After Favre's retirement, the Packers have drafted Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn.
5:40 p.m: The Browns are up in about three picks here. My money is on us taking Kenny Mayne.
5:48 p.m: With our final pick, the Browns selected DE Alex Hall. ESPN lists his college as null, so I'll try and look him up quickly.
5:51 p.m: Hall is from St. Augustine.
5:52 p.m: The Browns 2008 Draft should be officially over. I'll have scouting reports on the players we picked throughout the week.
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BAM! Crable is taken by the Patriots. To the guy who was going to puke if we drafted him, you can breath a sigh of relief.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Hmm…wonder if I’ll get any visitors today with a big Cavs game and an Indians vs. Yankees game both starting at 1:00 p.m.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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The Steelers grabbed Bruce Davis. Surprised to see a couple of the defensive tackles still up there…
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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As I say that, Marcus Harrison is off the boards.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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Manningham to the G-men. Good value this late
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 27, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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There was a time where I thought he’d be a future first rounder.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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A SDSU QB was taken over Booty… I would be pissed if I was Booty!
by kjc on
Apr 27, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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I’d be happy if I was Booty if you look at it from the perspective of what team picked him. Booty would never have a shot at playing time with Brady there (and Matt Cassel isn’t too shabby either).
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 11:52 AM EDT
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Chauncy Washington still there, Ben Moffett from South Florida(great motor, great character guy), a few others I’d wouldn’t mind seeing in a Browns uniform.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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Keilen Dykes too. Time to find that late round gem, Phil.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
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Should be more clear: the 5th in addition to Dallas moving back to our original pick at 122
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 27, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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so our next pick is in the 6th round?
well, chris there goes washington.
by kjc on
Apr 27, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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Hmm. Saw him play a couple of times (thanks to YOU source for college football no one cares about, VERSUS), remember him as decent but not overwhelming
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
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And it looks like Fabian went to the Ravens for a 4th. That must be why we moved to get Bell since the 5th wasn’t going to get dealt to Oakland.
by talonk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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Traded up and selected Martin Rucker from Mizzou
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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And now we traded back into the 4th with the Cowboys yet again …. to get Martin Rucker TE from Missouri (?). Do we need another TE?
by talonk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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Huh. A TE from Mizzou. interesting.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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Well, as good as KW2 is, he does have an injury history. That knee is just going to get worse over time. Trust me, bad knees suck.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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Rucker was one of Missouri’s two best pass catching threats this year in their prolific offense. Great height and also brother of Martin Rucker
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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Still, with the holes we have in the D, I’m not sure that was the best pick…...
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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The value of Martin Rucker is pretty sweet here. He is a very athletic TE that can learn for a year behind Hieden and then turn into the second TE. Remember, Chud loves to use TE’s in his offense. Plus it gives us the option to flex out K2 in short yardage situations and still have a dangerous athletic TE to hold the middle down. I love the pick, I thought he would be gone by now.
by Bernie19Kosar on
Apr 27, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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SO does that mean all of our draft picks are gone now? We dealt the fifth to move up for Bell. What did we deal to move back into the 5th? Both the 6th and 7th? Are we done drafting?
by talonk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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ESPN still has us with the 24th pick in the 6th round….for the moment
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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Interesting, gave up next year’s 3rd rounder to get Rucker there. Questionable…..
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 27, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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Ok, so we keep the 6th and 7th, and just lose our 3rd next year? Was that the deal? Man Dallas sure is getting alot of our picks. Wonder who they thought would take Rucker that they needed to move back into the 4th.
by talonk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
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NFL Network is saying now that the original trade was a 3 for 2. We get both of Dallas 4’s and give up our 4 and 5 this year as well as our 3 next year.
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 27, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
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Ok, thanx … hopefully we are done trading picks, especially next year’s.
by talonk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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Rucker was redshirted in 2003. In his first three seasons (2004-’06), he started every game (36) and notched 119 receptions for 1,341 yards (11.3 average) and 10 touchdowns. Rucker underwent arthroscopic surgery on the labrum in his right shoulder in 2004 but did not miss any playing time. As a senior, he was a focal point of the Tigers’ offense, racking up 84 receptions for 834 yards (9.9 average) and eight touchdowns in 14 games. He led the nation’s tight ends in receptions per game (6.0) in 2007, broke the school mark for catches in a season and finished his career having started in all 50 games, another Missouri record. For his career, he also had 16 rushing attempts for 56 yards and showed special teams value, with nine tackles. He is the younger brother of Carolina Panthers defensive end Mike Rucker.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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I don’t like the idea of trading next year’s picks. Especially if its for a tight end. But next year’s 3 (which should hopefully be a low three) for a mid-4 this year isn’t bad value.
by dwayne_rudd on
Apr 27, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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I happen to be a Mizzou fan and watched most of Rucker’s games last year, so I can say the guy is a great red zone threat, and has great athleticism/speed for his size. Certainly not drafted for his blocking ability and I am a little surprised we went tight end, but in my opinion he comes in day 1 and has more of an impact on the offensive side of the ball than Heiden. Will not match Heiden or Dinkin’s special teams contributions, so it will be interesting if we keep all 4 on the roster.
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 27, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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i am really liking this rucker for some reason. His size really impresses me.
by kjc on
Apr 27, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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Yeah, me too….the more I read on him th better I’m liking him. Oh look, ESPN actually bothered to interview Savage!
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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Phil says Rucker was a value pick, not a need pick. Also said they might go to more 2 TE sets to take advantage of him. Hmmm…
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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Expect us to do this:
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What we’d effectively be doing is drawing 7 -8 players in the box and then our TE’s would run routes that stretch the middle of the field. That would match them up against linebackers and get them in open space. I like this idea.
by gahnki on
Apr 27, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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well, at least the browns are getting some national coverage as of late.
by kjc on
Apr 27, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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huh, John David Booty finally off the board. Good pick up for the Vikes, I think. COurse, as always, I’m biased
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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Unbelievable…literally ON THE PICK that I had to leave for two hours, the Browns made a trade. Time to quickly get caught up here…Beau Bell!
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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I think Beau Bell gives the Browns the option to turn Leon Williams into an OLB. Williams has the size and athleticism to be a very active OLB. He is always around the ball.
Bell has been a tackling machine. A very “blue collar” type of player. Really reminds me of D’Qwell Jackson.
by Bernie19Kosar on
Apr 27, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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Good point with Leon Williams. Andra Davis seems to be on thin ice in terms of performance these days, so it’ll be interesting to see if Bell gets the chance to compete for a starting role.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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Reminds you of D’Qwell Jackson? That’s terrible news. He makes zero impact plays and always gets carried 3 yards after contact. He competes only with our own Andra Davis for the most worthless tackles by a linebacker.
by DaytonDogg on
May 1, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
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I agree, Davis’ time is short. Thats why I was rooting for Ben Moffett, but Bell seems like a solid pickup.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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Steelers draft Dennis Dixon. Interesting…...very, very interesting
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
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Charlie Batch is shivering.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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Squeelers
I think if we can stretch out there LB’s with our TE’s D.A. can pick them apart , and there O-line isn’t good we should be able to put big pressure on Ben this year.
by Bereadawg on
Apr 27, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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Mike Hart
If he is there at pick 190 should we take him to replace J.Lewis in the next few years? Might be a good idea. Hart might be a steal at pick 190.
by Bereadawg on
Apr 27, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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I would support taking a shot on Hart.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Apr 27, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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except against good teams like OSU and Florida… then again, maybe you were being facetious
by DaytonDogg on
May 1, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
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I guess. Hes a solid enough runner. I just hate the guy.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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im sure you hated braylon edward too at some point :)
by Bereadawg on
Apr 27, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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Braylon Edwards didn’t talk half the shit Mike Hart does. Braylon Edwards actually projects to the next level well.
Mike Hart is slow, small, and will probably still be there when the draft is over.
by gahnki on
Apr 27, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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True. I don’t just hate Hart because he’s from the school up north, I hated him because he was a shit-talking douche who always failed to back up his bravado on the field of honor.
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by BringBackKosar on
Apr 27, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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I know I’ll be in the minority here as one of the only Michigan/Browns fans….but as an Ann Arbor resident for the past 7 years Hart has been the most enjoyable college football player to watch that I’ve ever been around. He spent a lot of his college career battling one kind of injury or another, but 5,000 yards is nothing to scoff at. And yeah, his 270 yards against Ohio State across 4 seasons didn’t represent his best efforts, but there were a lot of big games that Hart carried the Michigan team on his undersized frame.
No idea if Hart’s got a future in the NFL, but he’s been a pleasure to watch and someone I’ll root for regardless of what his future holds.
by APV on
Apr 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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he might make a solid back-up still worth a look
by Bereadawg on
Apr 27, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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I don’t think he fills anything we don’t have. Jamal is the big bruiser, Jason is smaller and a nice change of pace, while Jerome is very quick and shifty.
Mike Hart is just slow.
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Apr 27, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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