Browns Training Camp Report: Day 25 - Final Day

by ChrisPokorny on Aug 17, 2008 12:26 AM EDT in 2008 Training Camp Comment 19 comments

At the conclusion of practice today, the training camp that the fans are exposed to is officially over. Now, it's all about the 3 games in a span of 13 days that begins Monday against the New York Giants (note: there will still be practices in Berea, it's just that they'll be either open to the media only, or a completely closed practice).

The notes today are very basic, as I'm sure you'll be able to tell:

TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 25 (8/16/08)

Fun Atmosphere: Not that camp is always fun, but the music blasting and the entertainment provided on the final day of camp got the players more pumped than usual.
Rogers Sits Again: For the second straight practice, Shaun Rogers sat out as a precaution. He is still expected to start against the Giants.
Second Quarter: Crennel was quoted saying that the starters will play into the second quarter this Monday. The Giants have also mentioned that Eli Manning is expected to see 20-25 snaps before exiting.
Personal Absences: There haven't been many personal absences in camp this year compared to usual. However, on the final day, both Ken Dorsey and A.J. Davis were excused for personal reasons. Both players are expected to be available against the Giants.
Ali a Lock: Not directly related to today's practice, but Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer assesses that Charles Ali is a team favorite and a virtual lock.

That's it for today; no link collection even, as I'll just link you to one article.

There is something else worthy of mentioning from Saturday night though, and that is former Browns quarterback Charlie Frye. The Seahawks really want Frye to establish himself as the No. 2 so that they can use Seneca Wallace as a wide receiver with comfort.

Former Browns QB Charlie Frye, via d.yimg.com

The Seahawks beat the Redskins 29-26 on overtime, and Frye played the entire game at quarterback. The Seahawks were down 19-9 after the third quarter though, and it seems as though the only reason Seattle came back was due to their running game and some Bears' turnovers. Here is Frye's final line:

Charlie Frye: 20 of 35 for 209 yards, 0 touchdowns, 3 interceptions. He was sacked 3 times, and ran 4 times for 29 yards.

Overall, that doesn't sound like a way to zap confidence into your head coach. Thank goodness for Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn.

P.S. DBN Fantasy Footballers: Don't forget to check out the post below this one!

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Final Lines don't include everything

Frye had a gimme TD pass dropped by Duckett, still not a good game though.

Imagine Brady Quinn’s stat lines in college moving him to the second day of the Draft if he only put up numbers like he did vs LSU or Michigan or any other good collegiate defense. So no one should thank goodness for a likely overpriced backup.

In Derek We Trust…

by brutus149 on Aug 17, 2008 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And you know, I actually hesitated in putting both Anderson and Quinn’s name in my statement, in fear that it’d spark a Quinn dig from someone, lol.

More than anything though, I think Anderson and Quinn currently have more upside than Frye, so thank goodness for the Week 1 decision that was made last year.

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by ChrisPokorny on Aug 17, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

B/c of his incentive laden contract, Quinn is making average backup money. Say what you will about his collegiate performance, but calling him “overpriced” is demonstrably wrong.

by kwoog on Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

overpriced as in a 1st round pick and 2nd round pick for a backup.

by brutus149 on Aug 17, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except that he probably could be starting for a lot teams in the NFL. And if Anderson has another great year then we’ll probably trade him and get good value back.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oregon State QB coaches are horrible

Anderson would have been a 1st or 2nd round pick if the Beaver coaches didn’t seem to have an unwarranted hatred of throwing the ball away every now and then. I have vague memories of tall rocket armed QB from Oregon State, standing in the pocket with no pressure, throwing passes that would make Brett Favre cringe.
Quinn could end up being good, but he got drafted high for dominating Navy and the like and having Stanford’s of the world drop gimme INTs and having an offensive line that gave him all day to throw nearly every snap of most games.

IMHO, Frye is slightly better than QBs around the level of Matt Leinart, Alex Smith, Brodie Croyle, Kyle Orton, and Rex Grossman. And if throwing the ball 70+ yards is a weak arm, then Terrelle Pryor at Ohio State has a weak arm.

by brutus149 on Aug 17, 2008 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t argue the list of QB’s you stated that Frye is better than. Grossman, Orton, and Croyle really have no business being starting quarterbacks at this point. The 49ers and Cardinals invested a lot on Smith and Leinart, but right now neither of them have come into their own.

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by ChrisPokorny on Aug 17, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just clarifying: I would take Leinart and Smith over Frye, but not Grossman, Orton, or Croyle.

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by ChrisPokorny on Aug 17, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can’t belive you just stated that Charlie Frye is better than Matt Leinhart. I know Leinhart hasn’t done much yet in the NFL (although he was injured most of last year), but seriously….Charlie Fye is HORRIBLE!!! I’m certain that every NFL coach would have Leinhart over him.

I also disagree with your assessment of Quinn. First of all, you cannot trash ND’s schedule because theirs is always among the most difficult in the country. It’s certainly not easier than Ohio State’s schedule. And if ND always had such a great O-line during Quinn’s days, how many of them are playing in the NFL right now?

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check out Lienart’s stats compared to Frye’s [only slightly better for Leirnart, then imagine switching places of Edgerrin James and Reuben Droughns.

A team doesn’t need a great line to provide pass protection vs Army, North Carolina….
When 2 times ND played good d-lines in 2006, the line got a ate up and Quinn didn’t do too well.

by brutus149 on Aug 17, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

First of all, if that is a reply to me please use the “reply” button.

What about against Georgia Tech, Penn St., Michigan?? You’re cherry-picking their easy games. Every big-time college — including OSU — has those games. Notre Dame always plays one of the toughest schedules. You can certainly criticize them, but not for that. I’m no ND fan, but you seem to be a Notre Dame hater who is critcizing Quinn without justification.

And any time that the offensive line gets “ate up” a QB isn’t going to do well. Charlie Frye was horrible even behind what proved to be a great line last year. I don’t know why you’re trying to defend him and bash Quinn.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he was a member of Charlie’s Fryes:

I wouldn’t give up hope either if I had invested in those costumes.

(just doing light humor, brutus ;))

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by ChrisPokorny on Aug 17, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

From Peter King’s MMQB today: "Is there a good reason why the Seattle Seahawks should keep Charlie Frye? I can’t think of one.

I like the guy, but Charlie Frye is just not an NFL quarterback. Just like Craig Krenzel wasn’t. It’s time for him to find a new line of work.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 18, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zing! Thanks, BTW — I need to make note to start reading King’s MMQB every Monday again, now that the season is just about underway.

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by ChrisPokorny on Aug 18, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't we talk about what Shaun Rogers can do when he isn't being lazy?

Peter King hasn’t liked Frye since he sat down with Phil Simss before Rodgers, Smith, Campbell and Frye got drafted.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/04/11/mmqb.draft/index.html
6-13 as a starter won’t reverse King’s thinking.

If Jared Lorenzen and Brooks Bollinger are still an NFL quarterbacks…

by brutus149 on Aug 18, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m sorry, is 6-13 as a starter supposed to be a good thing?

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 18, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its not a good record, but is Frye really less worthy of being in the league than Marques Tuiasosopo, Matt Geuterrez, Caleb Hanie…

by brutus149 on Aug 18, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Once again, PLEASE USE THE REPLY BUTTON

Now, you can list all the 3rd string QB’s in the league that you don’t know anything about and claim that Frye is better than them. Maybe he is — I don’t know, and there really isn’t enough information on those guys for anyone to make a good assessment. But the point is that Frye is terrible, and I don’t know what you’re trying to prove with all of this sillyness.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs