Torch 'Em: Starters, Brown Pants Offer No Help in Cleveland's 37-34 Loss
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The score doesn't really show it, but every single person who watched the game knows it: this is a game that you'll want to forget about...forever. I always say that what counts in preseason games is what the starters do, so I'm not going to be hypocritical and praise the team for only losing by three.
We lost this game 30-3. By Twenty-seven points. In just a quarter and a half of game clock. We wanted prime time, and we got it. If we want to hang with the big boys, it's going to take a whole hell of a lot more than our effort Monday Night to succeed. There is one saving grace though: a lot of what went wrong was a result of inexcusable penalties.
That's not an excuse, but rather a starting point of the first thing that needs to be addressed. Since so much went wrong, and we want to forget about this game forever, let me put a unique spin on this game review and just throw all of the bad stuff at you at once: just to get it out of the way.
WHAT WENT WRONG - THE BAD
- Travis Wilson: I was really disappointed by Wilson's effort in a starting role, as he failed to even record a catch. On one particular play, an all-out blitz came toward Anderson on a 3rd-and-long. Anderson got rid of the ball at the last second, and the ball landed about two yards past the first down marker on an intended comeback route. Instead, Wilson seemed to over-run the route by several yards. The timing factor on a blitz is probably a little less important for an inside receiver, which is where I want Wilson during the regular season. If I'm not mistaken, Wilson also had a dropped pass (on a not-so-great pass) a little later.
- Eric Wright: I was not too pleased with the coverage by Wright on Domenik Hixon. I mean, it's basically like their sixth receiver (think Paul Hubbard on our team, depth-wise) just dominating our starting cornerback. Sure, praise Hixon for making some nice catches. But fault Wright for balking on the first touchdown, and then tripping on the second (I think that was Wright on the second TD; couldn't get a look at the jersey number).
- Dumb Penalties: Another dig on Wright -- an early 54-yard pass interference called on him. It's the preseason: I want to see how our defensive line and linebackers do; you can't do that when the Giants pick up chunks like this. Also, what in the world was with Mike Adams' interference on a punt, especially when the ball wasn't even close to coming down yet? He would've warranted his own subtitle had he not had some nice blitzes later on in the game. There were too many other holding penalties as well.
- When You Practice, PRACTICE: Even though I didn't say it, when Crennel kept keeping everyone out of pads for a week after the first preseason game, I kept thinking: "isn't that a little too long?" Usually, I've heard of a day or two off from pads, but not a whole week.
"Unbelievable," Crennel said. "Evidently we didn't do enough work. I told the team it's my fault for trying to save them in practice by not hitting. We're not very good right now."

I'll say. The Browns were physically manhandled on the offensive and defensive lines while the starters were in. A lot of that has to do with the Giants' superiority, but I think a lot of it also has to do with Crennel giving his players a little too much respect during camp. - Jamal Lewis: After two nice runs to start off the game, Lewis was victimized by the offensive line getting pushed into the backfield. However, failing to lock in a handoff down at the goal line is something he should have down pat right now -- what have the past three-four weeks of training camp been for?
- Kamerion Wimbley: We see the Giants with so many effective pass rushers against our tremendous offensive line. So then, why is it that Wimbley can't even record a footnote of a memorable play on gameday? It's instances like this where you start to wonder if Wimbley will inevitably be nothing more than average in this league, due to being one-dimensional.
- Special Teams Coverage: I'm still very confident in the kick coverage ability of our starting unit. I'm not at all impressed by some of the youngsters in the second unit though, and that includes CB A.J. Davis. On Hixon's safety return for a touchdown, Davis was in prime position to stop him. Instead, Hixon blew by him with ease. Davis had a couple of nice hits later in the game, but that's not enough to hand him a roster spot. LB David McMillan was also in decent enough of position on the play.
- Never Again: Appearance-wise, the brown pants only looked "ok" in my opinion. Then why use them? They already have bad voodoo on them after this loss, and I've already heard fans and media from across the country question why in the world we would choose such an ugly uniform color. Let's not add fashion to the list of areas our rivals can mock us with.
- You Let Droughns Do It: I didn't want Reuben Droughns making some sort of impact against us (it's that former Browns rivalry thing), but he did. Travis Thomas was manhandled by a running back, and he blocked Dave Zastudil's punt in the end zone. Speaking of which, didn't Zastudil appear to take a little too much time before booting that one? Backed up, it has to be catch and hit; not catch, set, and hit.
- No Screen Team: We finally started trying screen plays when Ken Dorsey came in, and our execution was even worst than last week on three attempts. Pitifully run.
For the positives, now, I'm going to start off by handing out a few game balls. Game balls always cheer people up, right?
WHAT WENT RIGHT - THE GOOD
- Game Ball - Syndric Steptoe: I am literally in awe at how quickly Steptoe has improved from a year ago. He was the heart and soul of the final score looking respectable. Or, if you want to put it another way, he was our Domenik Hixon of the second-unit. He pulled in two touchdown grabs -- one of which had him saving Brady Quinn by not giving up on the football and not only wrestling it out of the defender's hands, but tipping it to himself and heading in for a touchdown.
He was also outstanding on kickoff returns again, including one that went 90 yards. I'm convinced that Steptoe needs to be on our final roster now, because someone else will pick him up otherwise. We may need him right away if Joshua Cribbs' MRI comes back with bad news. - Game Ball - Charles Ali: I think I read somewhere on the OBR that Ali is by far the best second-string fullback in all of football, and I'd have to agree with that. Getting reps again with Lawrence Vickers out, Ali opened some nice holes for Lewis and Jerome Harrison. He also caught several passes in the flat and took them upfield for nice little gains.
- Game Ball - Phil Dawson: Dawson's leg strength reached new highs against the Giants. His opening kickoff was deep enough to warrant a touchback, and on our first offensive drive, he connected on what would've been a career-high 56-yard field goal, had it been the regular season. He not only hit the kick straight down the middle, but he had several yards to spare. Those kicks will be critical against tough opponents like Dallas come Week 1.
- Defensive Shoutouts: Nice job by Andra Davis on the first series, reading Eli Manning perfectly and batting his pass down at the line. If Shaun Rogers was available to get a greater push, Davis could do that type of thing more often. Also, D'Qwell Jackson had a beautiful helmet hit to jar the football loose from Brandon Jacobs. Unfortunately, the Giants recovered the fumble.
- Corner Blitzes: Not sure why we waited for the second stringers to come in to start them, but our corner blitzes looked sharp when Anthony Wright and David Carr came in. In particular, Eric Wright and Mike Adams did a fine job. Adams' first blitz allowed Wright to return a pick for a touchdown. Wright later had the team's only sack of the game on a blitz.
- Brady Quinn: Literally, Quinn had several seconds longer to throw than Anderson did when he got in. Still, it was good to see Quinn run the offense effectively in the off-chance that Anderson will be out Week 1. We even got to see Quinn fire a deep ball downfield to Steptoe for a touchdown. I won't praise Quinn's throw because it should've been picked -- but surely it's something he will hopefully start working on more during practice.
- Darnell Dinkins: I still don't want him catching footballs often, but credit to him for making several nifty catches late in the game. He finished with 3 grabs for 50 yards.
- Ken Dorsey: Who woke him up? This was the best I've ever seen Dorsey play at the NFL level, as he was rocketing balls down the field to open receivers. He single-handedly made Paul Hubbard, Lance Leggett, Steve Sanders, and Efrem Hill look good late in the game (not taking credit away from the wideouts, but Dorsey threw some perfect balls).
- Harrison's Toughness: More than the speed, I liked the toughness and moves I saw from Harrison on his 23-yard gain. We need to get Harrison about 3-4 touches per game on gameday, in the right situations.
- Key and Hall: Late in the game, Giants RB Danny Ware broke free from an Alex Hall tackle attempt. Shortly thereafter though, when Ware tried to break free again, Travis Key charged at him and gave a nice hit. I didn't see much more of him besides that, but it's better than seeing Steve Cargile get burned in his only play against the Jets.
GENERAL THOUGHTS
- Players Out: I missed two leaders: WR Braylon Edwards on offense and DT Shaun Rogers on defense. I know this probably sounds crazy, but if Edwards was healthy, maybe the Browns get him the football on our first drive, and we eventually go in for a touchdown rather than a field goal. Maybe Anderson knows to get him the football right away on the play he gets the concussion, therefore avoiding the hit altogether. Crazy talk, maybe. Reality, possibly.
- I'm Not Depressed: Now, if this were a regular season game, I'd be depressed. We still have several weeks to collect our thoughts and correct the issues we had though.
- I'm Upset: I'm upset at all of the injuries we suffered after staying relatively healthy in camp. We can't afford to lose those guys if we want to make a run at the division.
- Bring Back Bernie: I hate prime time games during the preseason. When the second and third units are in, I care about what the hell is going on still. I don't want to hear announcers speculating "surely if you're Cleveland fans, you're thinking 'this, that, and this'". Can't wait to hear Donovan and Kosar next game again.
The game was one to forget...and now, the book on it is closed. Still feel free to post comments here though, of course.
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I am watching the game again today, and I noticed on hixons 2nd touchdown, it was actually S Sean Jones who tripped, not Eric Wright.
by Skov17 on
Aug 19, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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Thanks…now I wonder though where Eric Wright even was on the play. WKYC surely would’ve shown the entire breakdown of the play; ESPN just focuses on Hixon getting his damn feet in.
Do you have HD television, BTW? Just wondering if that makes the jersey number/name clearer, because I couldn’t tell last night on my non-HD (I’ll look again at the tape when I get home).
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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I have HD and it wasn’t any more visible. The only way I could tell it was Jones was the lack of a giant white towel.
by NickFantana on
Aug 19, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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Yeah I have HD and I live in NYC, but they showed a replay and you can see its Jones on the ground. I only see Wright for a second he is near the sideline, the Giants had three wide receivers on the right so I think Wright was covering Sinorice Moss, or Kevin Boss.
by Skov17 on
Aug 19, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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Thanks :D I’ll be sure to check out the replay when I get home — I’ll try to freeze frame and match names to bodies based on what you said.
P.S. use the reply button in the future so it looks like you’re responding directly to me (see how my response to yours is indented).
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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Anderson “didn’t go wrong”? I’m legitimately asking this.
by joeee on
Aug 19, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
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If you’re referring to injuries, then it’s a given that that went wrong. However, I think you’re referring to performance. In that case, I don’t think he went wrong.
What was Anderson’s main issue last year? Getting off to slow starts on the road. The one thing we know about Anderson is that he is NOT afraid to take risks with the football. For him to dump it off to Charles Ali a few times tells me that the receivers (probably Wilson) were not on the same page as him. The field probably looked a whole heck of a lot different without Edwards — perhaps that caused a mental freakout as well.
Anderson was more so in the middle — that’s why I didn’t place him in either section. I should’ve addressed it in my general thoughts section, but after sifting through all my notes I guess I forgot about it.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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When are the 1st cuts made?
Also, just thought I throw this in there…. 1 MORE DAY ’TIL I DRAFT MY CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM!
by kjc on
Aug 19, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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Championship team? I don’t think so buddy — not with me in the league.
I knew I had looked up roster cut dates earlier in the offseason; it was in the Erasmus James topic I had posted them:
Aug. 26: Roster cutdown to maximum of 75 players.
Aug. 30: Roster cutdown to maximum of 53 players.
Right now, we’re carrying an 80-man roster. So, we need to make very few cuts (only five) between our third and fourth preseason games. You may see a player like Atyhba Rubin cut early so that we can know ahead of time whether or not we can get him on our practice squad (he’d clear waivers sooner than if we did it on Aug. 30).
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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If this was the regular season I’d have kicked a hole in the wall.
it being preseason I just lightly booted my dog
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by BringBackKosar on
Aug 19, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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Good thing it is preseason.
I am in Boulder, CO with no TV or internet. Apparently, I didn’t miss much.
Questions:
1. Did Brady’s deep ball look good? I know he doesn’t have the arm strength of DA, and I know the pass to Steptoe should have been picked, but I am wondering about the actual flight of the ball. Was it a Brett Favre 50 yards in the air spiral? Was it a 20 yard pass that Steptoe caught and then got some YAC on?
2. WTF happened to our Oline? Besides getting completely dominated.
3. Did we do any blitzing or disguising on D (late shifts, etc.) and did we do any motions/shifts on O with our FIRST teams? I know Wright got a sack…was the rest just vanilla?
I personally think having a guy like Braylon and a guy like Shaun Rogers can help the whole team. If you take Braylon out, you can shift your #1 DB on to our #2 WR and so on down the line, and at least mentally the other team has the advantage. With Braylon in there, the other team not only has to put the #1 on him, but also maybe roll coverage his way, allowing for better opportunities for other receivers.
Hopefully this will serve as a swift kick in the ass to our players and to Romeo. Realizing that no one is just going to give them a playoff spot and that they have to work even harder (not less hard) to accomplish their goals could be the thing they take away from this.
by rufio on
Aug 19, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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I did see Quinn’s deep ball. It was underthrown and, for all intents and purposes intercepted by Kevin Dockery, but Steptoe wrestled it away for the TD. Its such a small sample size that nothing meaningful can be gleaned from it.
by joeee on
Aug 19, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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I think that's meaningful.
At least kind of. Can you throw 50 yards in the air? It is a yes or no question. If he does it once, he can do it. Consistency, timing, accuracy, those things can be improved. Arm strength probably can as well, but to a much lesser extent. I am glad he at least took a shot this game.
by rufio on
Aug 19, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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1. joeee summed it up. It was almost all air; Steptoe may have taken it the last 5-7 yards.
2. My firm guess is that it’s just a sign of how good the Giants’ defensive line is. Remember, that line MANHANDLED the first undefeated team in NFL history in the Super Bowl. Disappointed that we didn’t put up a greater fight, but it’s a little bearable considering the Giants’ talent.
3. Early on it seemed like kind of a barebones defense. However, Wright’s early 50+ yard penalty probably hurt us from trying to attempt more creative things. After that, we were already in a downhill depressed spiral. We didn’t seem to start blitzing until Anthony Wright came in at cornerback — then we ran at least 4-5 corner blitzes, all of which worked pretty well.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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I think the whole practice dynamic is the most interesting. Is it possible that some of our injuries resulted from practicing with pads and hitting too little? It seemed to me that our players were not prepared for the speed of the game. Wright and Jones both got their hips turned the wrong way, Joe Thomas seemed surprised by the strength of Umenyiora, and Anderson definitely did not seem as comfortable under a rush.
Hopefully they step up the intensity and are more physically prepared for the next games before Dallas comes to town in two and a half weeks.
by NickFantana on
Aug 19, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
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Absolutely.
Practicing the wrong way—not going full go on every play, not trying to emulate exactly what you will do in a game—can lead to injury.
DA looked pretty bad in practice and in the preseason last year too, though…
by rufio on
Aug 19, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Here are some of my thoughts;
1. How hurt is Shaun Rogers? I have no problem if he was just held out, but I am worried that something is going on that we don’t know about.
2. Braylon Edwards is so important to this offense. Stallworth is nice, but BE is the one player on this offense that defensive coordinators HAVE to find before every play. Winslow is very good. BE is one of the 5 best playmakers in the NFL. With him out, this offense can be defended quite easily.
3. Special teams, not so very special. I really hope that Monday night was just a hiccup. Way to many big returns and missed blocks.
4. It looked as if the Browns had very little interest in this game. After the first two drives, the Browns checked out and the Giants didn’t.
5. We are going to see A LOT of deep passes until our pass rush increases.
6. I don’t want to see anymore starters play this preseason. I know this won’t happen, but I can wish.
7. I am glad we got our first “Primetime” game out of the way in preseason. Every player says that it is just different being on Monday night football. Now when the regular season starts, it won’t be a totally new feeling.
8. Steptoe is making this team, and Danny Ware is making the Giants team somehow.
by Bernie19Kosar on
Aug 19, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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I am assuming you meant our first string checked out early. The team did make a conscious effort to come back and only lose by 3
by Roger Dorn on
Aug 19, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
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Yeah I was referring to the starters. It was nice to see Dorsey run the offense so well. I really think that Dorsey will make a very good offensive coordinator one day.
by Bernie19Kosar on
Aug 19, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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The coaches seem to be letting on that Rogers is perfectly fine and they just want to protect their investment. I thought I heard somewhere that he’ll play against his former team this Saturday.
I remember seeing Brandon Jacobs run all over us two-three years ago in the preseason when he was a third-string running back fighting for a job with the Giants. Ware gave me a similar impression after his effort.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
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I’m not too worked up, even if the play was sloppy. Just noticing trends over the past few years, even sharpness in preseason isn’t much of an indicator on how good the team will perform when it matters. That said, hopefully the team realizes that it won’t be as easy as showing up.
by Roger Dorn on
Aug 19, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
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Heck, sharpness in our first game of the regular season wasn’t even an indicator of what was to come. I agree about the preseason though — so much more effort goes into planning for the regular season.
I forgot to include this question in my recap: is it at all possible that we purposely ran as boring as a first-string unit as we could, to try to gain a competitive advantage of some sort against the Giants during the regular season? Granted, that would’ve backfired due to our injuries, but you still wonder just how much of an impact that has on the gameplan.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
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“is it at all possible that we purposely ran as boring as a first-string unit as we could, to try to gain a competitive advantage of some sort against the Giants during the regular season?”
If by that you mean that we didn’t use much of our offensive or defensive playbooks as to not tip our hand to the Giants and to gain a tactical advantage, then absolutely. If I were a coordinator, I would look for specific reactions by specific positions to specific plays to see how the other team might react during the season. For instance: I might run an outside run to the left to see how the RCB reacts, thinking I may be able to run play action to his part of the field during the regular season. I might have Stallworth run a post to see how the NY defenders react, looking for what other routes I should run along with that same post. I might also run different snap counts and shifts to see if I can get any “tells” from defensive players.
Getting beaten THIS bad, however, may lead to a mental advantage for the NYG, taking away confidence and what not.
Just my 2cents.
by rufio on
Aug 19, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
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I think the Colts have lost something like their last 12 preseason games. Go figure.
by Bernie19Kosar on
Aug 19, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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They’re going to start losing regular season games too if Peyton’s not on the field.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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One can only hope
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
by BringBackKosar on
Aug 20, 2008 9:13 AM EDT
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Terry Pluto has his observations from Monday’s game online:
Scribbles from Terry Pluto’s notebook: Quinn should get a chance to develop as Anderson rests
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 19, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
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Chris....
to what do you, in your esteemed opinion, attribute our complete inability to run the screen play?
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by BringBackKosar on
Aug 20, 2008 9:14 AM EDT
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My theory: the QB’s and RB’s just don’t make it seem natural. The QB should be able to close his eyes, count down in his head a second or two (right before the d-line reaches him) and then throw it to where the RB should be. Instead, it looks like they are each wondering where the other is going to throw / receive the ball. Granted, they should be thinking that to an extend, but not to the level of cluelessness.
I’m sure the team has been trying to work on it during practice, and I can’t really offer an explanation on who is doing what wrong beyond the chemistry factor.
I just remembered now too: Quinn on his first play lofted a horrible screen pass (could’ve easily been picked with that height). DA, Quinn, Dorsey — none of them have looked sharp on screens, and neither have the RB’s.
If there’s one person I remember looking good on screens last year, it’d be Joshua Cribbs, funny enough.
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by ChrisPokorny on
Aug 20, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
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