Its time: Anderson vs. Quinn- who starts vs. Cincy?
Once DA's contract was extended (a move I questioned at the time, but accepted) I thought it was useless to talk about a move at QB. DA was our #1, Quinn was our #2. However, as training camp got underway, and we had our2008 Season Outlook I said something like: After four games, if DA has a QB rating under 90 and the division was slipping away from us, Quinn needs to be considered. Well, now its 3 games in. We are 0-3, including losses against 2 division opponents, and another division game coming up this week. We find ourselves 2 games behind Pitt and 2.5 behind Balitmore. And Anderson's QB rating? 43.5

43.5. That is about as bad as you possibly can be. It is the worst in the league.
Now, the excuses:
1) tough defenses- Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore are all top defenses, and its hard to put up great numbers against these teams. Maybe my goal of 90 was too high (although I never considered that he couldn't maintain half of that number).
2) injuries. The line has been banged up, as has the #2 and #4 WR.
3) drops/Braylon sucking. This would have certainly helped his numbers, if not changed the complection of the Dallas game. (I did not see any egrigious drops against Baltimore)
4) Play calling. (?)
Consider me not persuaded. Put simply, Anderson looks a lot more like the QB that laid an egg in Cincinnati last year than he does the guy coming out of nowhere in week 2 to lead the Browns to 10 wins last year. He still has no touch on the short throws, so when he isn't throwing deep (because of playcalling, lack of protection, etc- things that every QB must deal with) he turns into a major liability. He throws into coverage like nobody I've ever seen and he has been hesitant (negating his other strength of getting the ball out quickly). We are left with the worst of all worlds: an indecisive gun slinger who has no touch and makes bad decisions when he finally makes them.
I'm NOT a Brady Quinn fan. I have yet to see him throw the ball down field more than 15 yards with any authority. But as of the last INT against Baltimore yesterday, I finally believe that Brady Quinn gives us the best chance to win right now.
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There was no point in drafting Quinn in he doesn’t play in a situation like this.
by palcal on
Sep 22, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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Quinn should be the starter, DA isnt getting any better. Isnt this why we brought both QBs back this year? To see which one was best for the browns? DA isnt it. Quinn cant do any worse than what DA has done so far.
by Bereadawg on
Sep 22, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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I’m not usually the type of guy
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Sep 22, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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Sorry, didn’t finish….
I’m not usually the type of guy who calls for the backup QB whenever the teams is playing poorly, but Quinn has to play. DA is just not getting it done and there is no reason to keep playing him. He is showing his limitations as a QB. He was great in the beginning, but as teams get more video of him they can exploit his weaknesses. It’s very similar to the Todd Boeckman situation at OSU. He was good at first against the mediocre teams, but against good teams he just can’t get it done. DA is the same way. Let’s see what Quinn can do. That’s why we gave up two picks for him.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Sep 22, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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No doubt. Remember DA was a 6th round pick who was cut by the Ravens, a team not exactly known for their great QBs. Give Quinn some starts and see if he is the future. You don’t gain too much by keeping him on the bench. If nothing else, he should get some playing time.
by Cols714 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Plus, a new QB can usually string together a few good games before the opposing teams have film on the guy. It’s a good way to jump start a team even if it doesn’t work out long term.
by Cols714 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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This is the key. Quinn always seemed like the right choice in my mind for the long term. But, not it seems like he is the best choice for the short term too. When those things combine, it should be a no-brainer. Hopefully Romeo will see this before Sunday too.
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
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Crennel says that Quinn won’t start but will get “a few more reps” in practice.
“If we decide to go with him, we just have to put it on the fact from what we’ve seen in practice and what we feel he’s able to do,” Crennel said of Quinn. “There’s no hard evidence that he will have more success.”
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Sep 22, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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of course we have no hard evidence. the dude has one series of regular season action in his career. if the decision comes to start Brady, it has to do more with Anderson. It is a determination that Anderson is not a good QB, similar to week 2 last year. Anderson didn’t win the job, Frye lost it. Anderson has shown more than Frye in their respective careers, so the longer leash is understandable. But Quinn has always had the higher ceiling (and floor in my opinion). At some point this becomes about Quinn’s development too. We had the luxury of letting him sit last year because DA played out of his mind. That isn’t happening anymore.
Crennel has never been very insightful in his quotes to media. Hopefully this is the rubric he is using behind closed doors.
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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Exactly, this is about getting Quinn’s career underway. I predicted that DA would be the biggest disappointment this year. I never thought he would fall this flat. From what I saw in Quinn during the exhibition season, he has regressed. The rust of not playing under game conditions has negatively effected his passing accuracy. Quinn may need the rest of this season to return to ND form. But, I believe his fire is still there, his natural team leadership abilities are still there, his bias to take over a game when necessary is still there. Quinn has the native intelligence to know the game situation and to manage the clock even without the coaches’ direction.
by elsandito on
Sep 22, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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Typical Romeo fashion, beat around the bush. And this "There’s no hard evidence that he will have more success." Goodness Romeo how do you know unless he gets a shot.
Please can we end this Romeo era.!!!!
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by Grockcubs on
Sep 22, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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Crennel said of Quinn "There’s no hard evidence that he will have more success."
Thanks for believing in and building up the confidence in your next quarterback! Way to go! Do you have this attitude in the locker room for all of the BROWNS players? No wonder we are 0-3! At halftime, do you sit the 53 nice kind gentlemen down for a quick tea and crumpets before they walk back on the field with their heads hung low? There’s a thing in this league called “B_LLS”! Apparently you don’t have any and it’s rubbing off on the whole team BIG TIME! You wouldn’t happen to be a eunich would you?
RAC, you need to grab DA by the throat and tell him to “park it” as he ain’t gettin her done (a pathetic 43.5 passer rating through the first 3 games)! Maybe that will wake his a__ up! Then grab BQ by the jersey look him straight in the eyes and through gritted teeth tell him “It’s all yours boy, BRING IT!”
by BROWNS GREATEST SEASONS 1996 1997 1998 on
Sep 24, 2008 1:13 AM EDT
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Not to mention, it’s a lousy excuse not to play a young, talented player. Of course there isn’t evidence, RAC! You haven’t played him a real game yet. Incredibly stupid comment from RAC and not something you should hear from a coach’s mouth
by Roger Dorn on
Sep 24, 2008 8:09 AM EDT
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I don’t really see the use in basing our observations of Quinn on his performance in the preseason when he is mostly playing with backup lineman and the likes of Travis Dropson and Syndric Stepdrop at wideout.
He was terrific at ND, and we traded a future 1st round pick to select him. If we think Anderson is a major part of the problem, then we absolutely need to start working Quinn in there. He has a season of learning under his belt, and he has the pedigree to be great. I’m willing to give Derek one more game, and then am also fully prepared to feed Brady to the Giants D Line wolves after the bye week on MNF
by Roger Dorn on
Sep 22, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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Agree with most of this, but:
Syndric “Stepdrop” happens to be our #2 WR until further notice.
I don’t know about giving him one more game. If he torches Cincy for 400 yds and 4 TDs, will you really be convinced he’s back? Or has he simply played a good game against a bad team? Plus, there is a decent chance he fails again- actually not many good reasons to feel that he won’t. And we can’t afford another poor performance if we want to salvage this season (which I haven’t given up on).
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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I actually wouldn’t be convinced he’s back, I am just thinking abuot this from the organization’s point of view. If he blows up to the tune of 400 yards and 4 TDs against Cincy, he is not getting benched, even if it is the right move.
by Roger Dorn on
Sep 22, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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exactly, which is why i don’t like playing him against Cincy. At best there is more confusion, at worst, we are 0-4.
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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Bengals played well against the Giants, the way the Browns are playing, 0-4 is a strong possibility.
And you are correct having Steptoe as our No.2 is a problem.
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by Grockcubs on
Sep 22, 2008 5:09 PM EDT
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I see what you did there with adding drop to the wide receivers names. What about Braydroplon Edropwards?
by NickFantana on
Sep 23, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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Such a move would be about a game and a half too late.
I have been roundly ridiculed for suggesting benching him after Palamolu picked him off in game 2. Anderson is what he is. He has no business making the money he is making and a football savy organization would have recognized his limitations and not bought into the media /fan hype over him. The Browns front office might have had a high draft pick and a good laugh on whoever they pawned him off on.
Alas, this is not the case and Brady must get his baptism under fire sometime. But the circumstances have changed. Why send him out there if he is not as totally prepared as he could be? He wont be given all the reps this week. Let Anderson stink it up against Cincy, fire Romeo, promote Chud on an interim basis and give him the bye week to prepare.
I beleive this makes the most sense. I don’t think the owner and GM have shown much inclination to do the sensible thing lately. It proably wont happen.
Go Browns! ( take the Indians with you)…….Joking here….back off.
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by Juannieboy on
Sep 22, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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I don’t know. It is pretty worthless to try to debate what should have happened in the first or second game of the season. Anderson was obviously our QB coming into the year andthat wasn’t going to change without 3 games being played, regardless of result. But at 0-3, 2.5 games back in the division and a QB rating in the 40’s changes a lot. It is certainly different than 0-2 after games against the favorite in the division and the super bowl favorite.
I just think you are a little extreme here. The defense has played pretty well (considering injuries and where they started from last year) and the division is pretty bad. The NFC East is going to keep giving losses to Cincy, Pitt, and Balt.- I don’t see anyone going 12-4 and running away with this thing. So all is not lost.
Quinn benefits from playing. He has had an entire season plus off-season plus pre-season and now 3 weeks to be comfortable in Chud’s offense. Its time to make the move, I feel. Not sooner, not later.
As for Romeo’s future? That’s probably for a different post. But like I said, the defense has improved and it simply isn’t going to happen until after the bye. If we lose this week and we look bad, regardless of who is QB, and we are 0-4 with a bye week and a 3-4 game defecit, I’d be willing to discuss making a coaching move. But thats for the future. (Must admit that I have started having dreams of Cowher in Brown and Orange again).
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Perhaps you are right.
How can anyone who has any type of attachment to the team, not get extremely agigtated and want to dismantle the decision making structure with what we have seen so far. The same mistakes and misjudgments are made over and over. Just when you think it could not get any worse, they break new ground! The front office has to bare some responsibility for this.
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by Juannieboy on
Sep 22, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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I am tempering my own overracting from last year. I was one of those on this site who was quoted at ESPN.com when I called for Romeo’s immediate head in the 3rd quarter of game 1 of 07. Besides my own humility, I try to keep in mind:
1) reality. We may have wanted the Browns to let Anderson walk, but that was simply not going to happen. And once he was signed, he was going to be the QB
2) We simply don’t know everything that goes on and what they are thinking. Obviously there are mistakes being made at all levels, but I do have slightly more trust in the organization now than I did last year. We were a bad bounce or 2 from 11-5, 12-4, at least a playoff birth. We all knew it would be thougher this year with the expectations, the schedule, and the league adapting to our offense.
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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One Hit Wonder
I spent most of the offseason telling people that Anderson was the real deal and that the Browns were smart to sign him to a big contract.
With smarts like that, I should be coaching the Raiders.
Maybe the Chiefs will give us a 3rd rounder for him. Quinn has to start.
by Pruitt on
Sep 22, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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The time has come. I was against it earlier. Anything earlier would have been a “panic move”. Look at the numbers;
43-93 for 46 Completion Percentage- Only Tyler Thigpen is lower
405 Yards in 3 games- No NFL QB with more than 93 attempts has lower. None.
3 TD’s- Only three starters have less Garrard, Delhome, and Palmer.
5 INTS- Tied for most in the NFL with Kitna and Schaub
4.36 Yards per Attempt- Besting only Tyler Thigpen
43.5 Passer Rating- Again only Tyler Thigpen is lower
22.9 Passer rating against the Ravens.
23.8 Passer rating of Tyler Thigpen against the Falcons.
If the QB of closest comparision is Tyler Thigpen, then it is time to bench Anderson. Let’s see what we have in Quinn. If he turns out to be a keeper, then we can trade Anderson to KC and let them have two Thigpens.
by Bernie19Kosar on
Sep 22, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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Do you think KC is saying, man, if only Thigpen could be more like Derek Anderson?
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
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Good post, The Browns are horrible right now, there are problems almost everywhere. Quinn deserves a shot.
I still think Romeo needs to go, and The Browns should approach Cowher and offer him what he wants.
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by Grockcubs on
Sep 22, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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Do we have evidence that Cowher wants to coach again? Or are we confusing him with Parcells?
by elsandito on
Sep 22, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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No, I am not confusing him with Parcels, Cowher is still under 50 years of age, played with the Browns, coached special teams with the Browns. I would offer him a blank check.
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by Grockcubs on
Sep 22, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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His office in Pittsburgh had a seat from Cleveland Municipal in it.
by DaytonDogg on
Sep 22, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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I really, really like Horse Balls, but the guy really needs to get things figured out by last week. This is soul-crushingly dissapointing.
by fwembt on
Sep 22, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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horse balls
i agree and want him to make it since i bought a HORSE BALLS t-shirt but it might be time to give quinn the shot.
by spineshanker93 on
Sep 23, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
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With the season “On the verge of slipping away” as Romeo put it they won’t go with Quinn. As someone pointed out if DA torches the Bengals it proves nothing.
When we drop to 0-4 and go on the bye week do we switch to Quinn? No because then we play the Giants and Romeo will want to protect Quinn plus DA should have all his weapons back.
I don’t agree with coaches who are unwilling to make the tough decisions. Romeo like Tressel like to go with the starter (Senior) but only one coach has been able to make the tough decision when the ‘kid’ behind the starting QB had the fire, intensity, leadership, respect and ability to lead his team.
No one KNOWS if Quinn is going to do any better but everyone should now KNOW that DA is not it.
DA is comparable to Boeckman for OSU. Started out great, people figured out their tendencies and neither could make the adjustments to be decent QBs. Both have poor decision making, look lost at times and where overachievers. Both are good backup QBs and hopefully both will be for the rest of the season.
The best situation is Quinn starts against the Bengals to give him something to improve upon over the bye-week. These coaches just can’t pull the trigger…
by Guage80 on
Sep 23, 2008 7:01 AM EDT
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Winslow quiet?
Why has winslow been so quiet after games? I can’t help but think that the team is keeping him from speaking in fear of what he will say. I’m sure he told Crennel what every fan wanted to in the Pitt game and that is why he was sitting for the ending of it. Like he said though, Quinn was brought in here to be the man and it is only a matter of time untill that happens.
by spineshanker93 on
Sep 23, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
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I don’t post very often, but when I have, I think I’ve made it clear that.
1. I think Quinn is ready to be QB
2. This year was NOT going to be a winning season (I had them at 7-9).
Is it time for Quinn? I don’t know, probably. I was calling for him last season, but why now? to save this season? sorry, he isn’t going to make that happen. I think we all need to realize that we have the most difficult schedule of any other team in the league. We played one of the easiest schedules last year and still struggled to win a lot of close games. This team is getting better. We have more talent than we’ve had in the last 10 years combined, but we’re not a powerhouse yet because we don’t quite have enough depth at many positions. While I believe Quinn is the right move, it is simply because he is a better QB and it is to get him some experience to build for 2009.
As for Romeo, you have to give him 2009 unless you know you can get an elite 3-4 coach like Cohwer or Schotenhimer. No team can win by switching Head coaches every 3 years. It takes a coach 3-4 years to make things happen. I give him a pass for his first year on the job because we had absolutely no talent. This year is more difficult, but I also give him a half-pass due to the schedule. Next year will be year 5 for RAC and 4 years for some of the drafts Savage put together to peak and also the time when RAC’s coaching philosophy will truly show through. Is RAC the guy? I have my doubts, but coaching changes for the sake of coaching changes doesn’t help.
And the front-office… Savage has done a tremendous job. The DA signing can only be considered bad in the context that it has held Quinn back, but was still a necessary signing. You need two QB’s and DA will make a very capable back-up or trade chip. He fixed the OL and is working on the DL. The only area that he has failed so far IMO is linebacker. Our linebackers are very week, but there was so much to fix at other positions, I’m sure it isn’t long until this is addressed.
Don’t forget how bad this team was! A plan to fix it has been put in place and it just arrived a bit early thanks to an easy schedule and some luck. I want to see a winner too, but we also need some patience here.
by dvd1204 on
Sep 23, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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Very good, I agree with most of your assessments. I disagree with your take on Romeo. Both Mangini and Crennel were handed opportunities as a result of success at NE. Belichick has shown that NE success was not dependent on these guys. These guys have not succeeded on their own.
Furthermore, it has become increasingly obvious that Romeo does not sufficiently prepare his team to play on Sunday and doesn’t know how to groom a qb to manage a clock. Romeo’s game day decision making is so bad it’s humorous. I don’t hold this against him, he’s a fine def coordinator who is in over his head.
It is time to prepare for 2009, and the front office should be sending feelers out to coaches with proven records. These guys might not have wanted to coach an expansion team, but there’s enough raw talent now to entice somebody decent.
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Sep 23, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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