Cowher Buys House in Cleveland?
by AaronD on Sep 24, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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Link: COWHER RUMORS FLY IN CLEVELANDApparently, plenty of folks in Cleveland have heard that former Steelers coach Bill Cowher has bought a home in Strongsville, Ohio.
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So we’d be very surprised to learn that Cowher actually has purchased a house in the Cleveland area or that, if so, he has done it because he plans on coaching the Browns. Even if Lerner had entered into a wink-nod arrangement with Cowher, it would be beyond stupid for Cowher to buy a house in Cleveland months before the plan can unfold.
Edit by Chris: Removed entire pasting of article, and made the link to article a little more clear. Also changed the headline somewhat.
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First of all, this is a rumor. Your headline makes it seem like a fact. That should be changed. I also can’t emphasize enough how much PFT traffics in pure speculation and rumor. I saw this story too and did a little looking. There are literally NO FACTS to support the assertion that he’s purchased property. If you’re going to reference pure, Internet-based speculation, you definitely need to add a disclaimer to that effect. If facts do appear, I’d be as excited as anyone else.
Secondly, you definitely cannot just copy and paste an article written by someone else. You could quote part of it and then add a few thoughts of your own but that’s about it.
Thirdly, regardless of how much you reprint, you DEFINITELY need to add a link to the original story. However, even adding a link does not invalidate the first and second points I made.
by NickFantana on Sep 24, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
F - you!
I can post what I want. I thought this was comical so I posted.
If you do not like it you can E.A.D.
by AaronD on Sep 24, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down Aaron. He didn’t insult you — he was giving his input on why PFT is not a good source, and also the guidelines we’re trying to abide by here. Also, any time you reference an article, make sure you give some brief input of your own.
For example, when you made the fanpost, you should have formatted it similar to what I’ve done now (I edited it), and then you should’ve said “I thought this was pretty comical, myself.”
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 24, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow — that is some intelligent discourse, Aaron.
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by Buckeye Brad on Sep 24, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad will always go toe-to-toe, and never just ignore, those who misspell/overreach.
by joeee on Sep 24, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speling I really don’t care about. I don’t think I’ve ever commented on someone’s spelling. I make typos/spelling errors all the time.
I would say that someone posting “F- you!” and “E.A.D.” has nothing to do with misspelling or overreaching and everything to do with acting like a jerk. And I don’t think that’s appropriate for this blog.
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by Buckeye Brad on Sep 25, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my point. Duh. ’Korny handled it.
by joeee on Sep 25, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s your point? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say — are you trying to criticize me? If you’re saying that I call out people who say stupid things, I would say that many, many people do that. And I’m certainly not as nasty about it as some.
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by Buckeye Brad on Sep 25, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t understand your undying patience for policing low-substance remarks. Obviously, pok took care of it, and, moreover, saying “E.A.D.” should put you in the “lost cause” category – a category you seem not to acknowledge. At that point, it was just piling on.
by joeee on Sep 25, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a weird thing to be making such a big deal out of though, no?
by NickFantana on Sep 26, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I wanted this to die after one comment.
by joeee on Sep 26, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did you need to even make that comment? Have I done something to offend you?
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 26, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing. I didn’t know why I needed to be attacked for criticizing a moronic comment. I know that Chris said something, but often times more than one person replies to someone who’s being an idiot. I didn’t think there was anything wrong with what I said, and I certainly didn’t expect anyone to make such a big deal out of it.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 26, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad, the “big deal” comes from me having to clarify over and over what the first remark meant.
by joeee on Sep 26, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don’t see why you had to make the remark in the first place. I wasn’t being a jerk or anything. I didn’t realize that a “new rule” had been implimented that only one person was allowed to criticize a comment. I’ve seen many comments critcized by more than one poster. I will try to follow your rule from now on, though.
I don’t think we should “just ignore” those who come here and make idiotic comments. It looks bad for our blog, and we shoud let them know it doesn’t belong here if we want to keep this place for intelligent discussions. As far as the “misspelling” comment, I don’t think I’ve ever criticized a person for misspelling so I don’t know where you got that from.
I’m sorry if me defending myself from what I thought we unnecessary attacks made a “big deal” out of things. Also, I wouldn’t call saying “That’s my point. Duh.” clarifying.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 26, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually enjoy Brad taking out some trash.
Those comments by Aaron were very uncalled for and downright childish
by gahnki on Sep 26, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: uncalled for/childish: agreed, obviously.
by joeee on Sep 26, 2008 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
’Korny? 8-O
(puts joeee’s name on “the list”)
Heh…only kidding; I’ve been called that many times, just funny to see it on here now.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 26, 2008 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, I never intend to use it again, bleachh
by joeee on Sep 26, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PFT did everything wrong.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 25, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
take this to cleveland.com
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by rolub on Sep 24, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Florio’s commentary as usual is laughable. I am pretty sure if the job paid well enough that Cowher would be okay co-existing with a general manager. He’d definitely want a say with personell, but I don’t see him absolutely requiring coach and GM duties
by Roger Dorn on Sep 24, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We can only hope and pray that Cowher takes charge of this team, hell I would cut his grass.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 24, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he’s covered in his own spit….I wouldn’t go within 10 feet of him without an umbrella, I concur with gahnki
by Tribe_Hippie on Sep 24, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His style of football does not fit what we want to do now. He will want to run the football and live off play action passing. That is fine of course, but when you have the horses you better use them. Our offensive system now fits our personnel. We aren’t built as a power running team although I can’t say that the offensive system hasn’t been disappointing so far this season.
Defensively, he would probably want to stick with the 3-4 which is goods news.
by gahnki on Sep 24, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly are the Browns trying to do? Cause it ain’t working. This team is on a horrible slippery slope – blown out by the Ravens for God’s sake.
I smell a 4-12 finish and abject humiliation on national TV. If a good coach wants to install a power running game, let him. Better than having a semi-comatose man in his first (and obviously ONLY) head coaching gig continue to doze off on the sidelines.
Cowher? I’d help him move in. I’d even spring Marv Levy from the senior’s home and drive him to Cleveland. Anything to get rid of the joke that is Crennel.
by Pruitt on Sep 24, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Cowher would never want to run the Air Coryall.
by gahnki on Sep 24, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Browns’ Front Office is trying to build a dangerous offensive team with big, physical receivers, big, physical backs, and versatile linemen and TEs. This means being able to do everything on offense, but not being able to shove the ball down people’s mouths running it up the middle. We need to pass a fair amount of time to win, simple as that.
by rufio on Sep 26, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. The Steelers always seemed to open games with plenty of passing, get a lead and THEN start running 75% of the time. I know this is contrary to popular belief, but I think football outsiders and Mistake by the lake sporting times have both looked into this statistically.
I don’t think of Cowher as a guy that would really insist on an offensive scheme anyway. He is a special teams guy, a motivator, a leader, a manager. Its not like he moved his way up on offense or defense as a coach.
I’d help him move in too.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 25, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typically, Air Coryall offenses have a 60/40 passing/rushing split with the Browns hovering around 55/45 last season.
Although…I don’t really believe the pass/run split is the bigger issue. I’m discussing the philosophy issues that exist within offensive changes. The Air Coryall is based upon being able to force defensive adjustments that open lanes for runningbacks. That is why the slant/pivot/out routes have taken on a deeper meaning in this offense than previous ones. The goal is to force the defense to account for short passes while maintaining a deep threat.
Bill Cowher’s entire existence in Pittsburgh was based on a much different mindset.
by gahnki on Sep 25, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That last point is what I disagree with. I don’t think Cowher would be against keeping Chud, or the same offensive system. Like I said above Cowher has a defensive/special teams background. His strengths are on the motivational, intensity and management side.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 26, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree — I don’t think that Cowher would come in and take over or change the offense.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 26, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he would either, but I would worry that he would. He seems like a great motivator and we clearly need that from somewhere right now. I might enjoy someone who knows more about zone blocking in the run game, but I would settle for Chud going to a conference or something.
by rufio on Sep 26, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his strengths are on the managerial side don’t you believe he would actually want to manage?
He will want his people, his system, and his players around the organization. I mean, if he isn’t going to come in and change things then what, exactly, is the point of making a coaching change other than following the Browns periodical management blow up.
by gahnki on Sep 26, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez where do we start. Cowher has energy, has discipline, has a Super Bowl ring, and will get in the face of player when needed. The guy is a damn winner, I don’t care if we run the ball 45 times a game as long as we win.
He would also use Winslow like he should be used.
I would drive from Delaware to clean his damn car windows.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think we are using Winslow like we should?
Bill Cowher wants his tight ends to block…that is not one of Winslow’s strong points. The Air Coryell system fits Kellen Winslow perfectly. You just do not know what you are talking about on this point.
by gahnki on Sep 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I don’t think the Browns are using WInslow right. He should see the ball more. And when did Cowher in his coaching career have a tight end like Winslow? Name one. Bennie Cunnginham? who?
Oh yeah this AIr Coryell system is working just fine in Cleveland right now isn’t it?
Please don’t tell me what I know and don’t know, what I do know is the Browns are 0-3, and with Romeo ONE winning season and that with a schedule with ONE winning team that the Browns beat.
So yeah, no Cowher Huh?
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by Grockcubs on Sep 27, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh by the way here is the tight end list when Cowher was head coach at Pittsburg:
1993-94 Eric Green
1995-2002 Mark Bruener
2003- Jay Riemersma
2003-04 Jermane Tuman
2005-present Heath Miller
Eric Green caught 60 balls in 1993, Heath Miller caught 40 and 6 TD’s in the Super Bowl season of 2005.
So this list, as least what I can see doesn’t have any consistent Pro Bowlers, or Hall of Fame players.
We can agree that Winslow is definately a Pro Bowl player, and if stays healthy has a fair shot at the Hall.
So how can you say Cowher would not use a Pro Bowl player to his abilities, and use him primarly for blocking? You can’t !!
Hiring Cowher is no brainer to me, that is my opinion.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 27, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller was a 1st round pick. He should have a shot at the pro bowl at some point. He probably would be there already….if he were thrown to more…which kind of defeats your own argument.
Listing the amount of catches and TDs doesn’t make a case for using a player correctly. Do you think Miller should have had more or less catches than 40 in 2005? Do you consider that a lot of catches or not many catches?
The only thing that is a no brainer is that you would like anyone to coach the Cleveland Browns who isn’t already coaching the Cleveland Browns.
by rufio on Sep 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’d be awkward having Cowher as a coach after all of his years with Pittsburgh.
One thing is for sure though — I don’t think you’d see Cowher sit their like a lump on the sideline when things go bad, like Crennel has been doing.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 24, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m actually very excited about the possibility of Cowher being the next coach. My only caveat to that would be that he keep Savage (or replace him with a similar executive scout type) and not assume all responsibilities himself. It seems like a 50/50 GM/Coach power share usually works best and I’d be worried about a Butch Davis repeat if Cowher took all the power himself.
by NickFantana on Sep 24, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe a guy with Cowher’s experience, recognizes that Savage is awfully valuable in his present capacity. Having Phil there would make it more probable that the next head coach is successful. We could structure it so that if Phil leaves, Cowher would take on Phil’s responsibilities.
Having said all that, let’s not conclude that there aren’t other good candidates for the head coaching job.
by elsandito on Sep 24, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we do get a new coach I would hope to keep Savage. I think he’s done a good job of increasing the talent level of the roster. I would be wary of bringing in a coach/GM with all the power. I think it’s been proven in the NFL that those powers need to be seperated. Holmgren didn’t do much in Seattle with both job and we all know what Butch Davis did here. I wouldn’t want to bring in Cowher and give him full power, but I think he’d be a great head coach.
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by Buckeye Brad on Sep 25, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher is a fantastic coach. Even if Romeo were succeeding, I’d be tempted to go with Cowher anyway
by Roger Dorn on Sep 24, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I agree. Don’t get the wrong idea by me saying it’d be awkward — that’s unrelated to the coaching direction he would take with the Browns.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 24, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The awkward thing is to have the Browns coached by a proven winner. That could lead to more uncomfortable situations like the Browns winning. Having a coach yell at his players for making a mistake during the game is wrong. Emotion has no part in football. I applaud Romeo for being able to just have a blank look on his face after halftime in the last 3 games. He would be one heck of a poker player.
This Cowher talk sounds great but the Browns are are at their budget and this team doesn’t have the talent just yet for a coach to make a difference. Next year we will be fine, if not the following year for sure.
by Guage80 on Sep 24, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their is now Coaching budgetlike a salary cap. The owner can pay is much or as little he wants to to the coaches.
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by kardiackids2007 on Sep 25, 2008 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The game is emotional, it is what 80% of these players do, they get off on emotion. If a coach looks in the eye of a player and gives him an earfull, good for him. I can’t tell who is in charge with the Browns right now. Romeo I am sure is a great guy, but enough is enough. This year ends, offer Cowher the job.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Grossi said this in his Thursday morning column:
Rumor central: Despite ongoing Internet rumors that former Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher has purchased a house in Strongsville, a check of the Cuyahoga County recorder’s Web site turns up nothing. The rumor continues to grow with each Browns’ loss.
by NickFantana on Sep 24, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I did the same thing after seeing this rumor. It’s just that the name could have been bought by an LLC or a trust that does not have the Cowher name in it, and nothing would show up.
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by rolub on Sep 25, 2008 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
name should be "house".
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Sep 25, 2008 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my first thought was…why would he buy a house in Strongsville
by Roger Dorn on Sep 25, 2008 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
name should be “house”.
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by rolub on Sep 25, 2008 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
g@#%$nit i can’t post anything correctly this morning… disregard above post.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Sep 25, 2008 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps a few too many Dortmunder Gold’s?
by NickFantana on Sep 25, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would have been nice, but this afternoon i have to stand in front of a group of 150+ blue-collar workers and field their naive questions about their 401k and the recent market.
so in hindsight, maybe i should have tipped a few.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Sep 25, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a firing squad. Good luck with that.
by NickFantana on Sep 25, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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