Yeah, this isn’t good. Players get hurt enough, let alone with a stupid drill.

This should help us getting free agents.

I think the quote you got from Mangini was manipulated in a sense that it deleted relevant information. Would you mind providing the source?

I had found the following similar, but different quote.

"If something like that happened, it would never be something sanctioned by the team. I talked to the league about it and the last thing we want to do is put somebody in position to get hurt. I feel good about our position."

I find it odd that this particular part of the quote would be deleted, but I can’t say I am all that surprised.

The key difference, of course, is never sanctioned by the team.

I just hope this doesnt turn out to be one of those rookie hazings.

Syndric Steptoe also got hurt and is blaming Mangini.

So as a fan, and not someone who has every coach in my office to hear and copy the interviews & commets made in person, Ican be just as informed as you on the matter.

And I don’t think you really addressed the actual issue. The issue is not driven by the quote, the issue is what it is, and the quote came about BECAUSE of the issue.

So…with that being said, maybe comment on the rest of what I presented.

And expound on why you are surprised at the things you are surprised by. You mentioned that twice in two short posts, so it must be important, but it seems you are being just as elusive as your head coach. Tell ms what you meant by that?

It just seemed as if you weren’t surprised at a Steeler fan for whatever behavior you thought you saw.

And I guess I may not have made myself 10)% clear. I’m not saying holding rookie and younger player only practices after the other practices is illegal. It might be very beneficial. And it may be that these practices ae more cerebral than physical, maybe doing walk throughs on plays, slower examples of how to block properly, or get past n O-lineman…that type of stuff. We don’t know. Maybe it is, and one player acted like an idiot and got all excited and blasted someone, and that was Davis on the wrong end.

My issue is that it is not, as you put it, something outside the jurisdiction or responsibilty of the coaches. The coaches are expected to maintain order. In a good, structured situation, coaches have order. Period.

So either way, Mangini is ultimately responsible. I am merely calling out to you Browns fans, and asking a simple question: Do you feel comfortable with someone like Mangini, and how he has thus far led your team, in guiding it to excellnce in the future.

(Let’s not forget the whole idiotic, illogical move to not name your teams starting QB before the season started. Wow. Exactly the type of flawed, non-footbll savvy moves from a mind that does not seem connected to how the NFL really works.)

So what exactly is the point of this post?
Thanks for your concern.?.?

but no, no, you are right. Now, because of your infinite Steelers-fan wisdom I can see the guiding light of true front office form from which my eyes have been blinded! All these years, have made me unable to see problems with the Browns as they happen. Thank you, wise one, now I will fire Mangini and hire a Steelers fan- for only those fans of the good teams know thy football game better than us mere peasant fans!

I hate when someone says something like- I’m asking your opinion- followed by something like- let’s not forget my opinion which I take as fact.

Have the balls to call your smack talk smack talk, buddy.

meaning you think our coach and organization is a joke, got it.
thanks, Steeler fan, we’ll take it under advisement.

…solely on the fruit of its labors.

The reason a team exists in the NFL is to win. Period. Thus, “WINS” or “LOSSES” are the fruit of the teams labor. That team is classified as starting from everyone from the vendors at the stadium, the medical staff, the coaches, players, and at the top, the front office and ownership.

What I think about your team is largely irrelevant. But, if I knew nothing about football whatsoever, and were to read about the NFL and it’s recent 20 year history, I would in fact think your organization is a joke.

As a fan of the Steelers-Browns rivalry, though, I do in fact hope your ownership gets its act in order and puts a good team on the field.

The post was veiled as the latest Browns fans deserve more article. Come on! It’s Steelers week! So what if we have no chance! Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? We don’t need other team’s fans pointing out the problems we all see, ESPECIALLY Steelers fans, on Steelers week! It’s time to rally up, get excited, cause itsany given Sunday in this league, and ration and reason hasn’t stopped us from barking yet!
(Insert the “Yeah, Dad, get your balls back!” clip from Talledega Nights, followed by the National Anthem)
What would your motivation be to write a fanpost at the Ravens blog if they had a lot of problems? Shear concern? Please.
Let’s defend our Browns Fandom, this rivalry, and call a spade a spade and not feel bad for upsetting a Pittsburgh fan.

This is far too long for me to read. If it came from a regular contributor to this site, maybe. Sometimes less is more.

At least the rational ones…

(L-Train you may have a seat).

This was definitely not aimed at upsetting you, or degrading you, or mocking you. If you read it for wht it is, you can see that pretty easily. I won’t be responding to anyone who wants to have a anly e-fight. Save that for your World of Warcraft buddies if that is you.

If I wanted to be mean, believe me, and you know this…I could have been a reall ass.

Looking forward to this week.

it was all in good fun. but seriously, we can see everything that everyone else does.

A die hard Steelers fan shows up just before we play the Steelers and goes over all of the Browns’ problems. He never mentions any of the Steelers’ problems. Then, he defends himself from baiting by claiming that he came here to discuss league issues. This is classic overcompensating.

I’m writing this because, I fear, you have a Belicheck disciple that is more “Belicheat” than “Belicheck.” I’m not sure the integrity is there to be a solid spine for your football team to lead you into the future success you are hoping for.

I’m intereseted in knowing your thoughts.

In a word, I agree. I definitely lean towards “homer” as a fan of sports (I loathe the day Savage was fired, think Quinn could be a good/great QB and I still love Shapiro for the Indians). However, the Mangini regime is the first overhaul of a Cleveland sports team that I was not excited about. Almost everything that has transpired since his hiring has justified my apprehensions. In all honesty, my fanship has waned a bit, and I am simply waiting out the end of this doomed regime. I know Mangini isn’t going to win a Super Bowl in Cleveland. That takes a lot of excitement out of being a Browns fan for me. I’m glad you love to hate us for all the right reasons (and vice versa, backatcha), but I’m sorry to say you and I both have at least another 5-7 years, minimum, for that to happen (2 more years of Mangini failing, then another 4 for the hypothetical “Good” subsequent regime to turn it around).

What this guy is saying is no different from what many other Browns fans are saying. So, on the face of it, I do not consider this to be smack talk.

However, .58, please respect those of us who respond that much of the stories are overblown hype by the media, especially the national media. They smell blood with Mangini and are circling him like buzzards. It also leads many to be very selective in quotes and spinning the story line. As is the case, Mangini has looked bad on many stories that have been later shown to be overblown or incorrect (the $1,700 water bottle anyone?). We can dismiss these stories as incorrect or fictional, but these stories still exist. So, at the end of the season, we will look back at all that has happened (including wins and losses) and pass judgment on him. That’s all we can do as fans. Calling for the coach’s head does not seem to be a good use of our time when he is just 5 games into his regime (one that has faced huge obstacles, like a depleted roster, malcontents, and the toughest schedule).

As of now, we are just taking names of all the writers and fans with their proclamations. When the dust clears, we will praise them for their foresight or castigate them for their idiocy.

First of all, there is a very good chance that the report is an inaccurate jab related to his tough efforts on changing the culture of this woebegone franchise.

If this event truly occurred as reported – the individual responsible should step down. If Mangini was there and observing the practice – he should be held accountable. If not – I would support him staying – and firing the accountable individual. This should not be up for debate, as Kokinis (puppet?) or Lerner would be able to pull the tape. In an earlier presser on “opportunity time” Mangini stated they reviewed the tapes on opportunity time and it has contributed to players (like Ratliff) making the team.