The Case For Trading Quinn
by Brownsyup on Oct 13, 2009 1:54 PM EDT
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Note from ChrisP: Although the talks of trading Brady Quinn are largely hypothetical, with the trade deadline approaching, it's something that will be up for discussion. Talk about it here.
The following is my opinion and I know this is not going to make me too popular but hear me out...
The trading deadline is rapidly approaching. This is a potential decision point for trading Brady Quinn and I think this should be done for the following reasons:
1. Quinn's performance with this team has not been particularly stellar. He showed some promise but showed just as much that was not promising.
2. He still has not been completely ruled out as starting QB material. This means his trade value is still somewhat high. GMs at potential landing spots can still say, "Well, he started for a pretty bad team. Maybe he would be better with us."
3. I believe, and this is my opinion, that Quinn would have a better chance being successful somewhere else. His time here as been rocky and I think there are significant psychological barriers to him being successful with the Browns.
4. The situation that would inject BQ into a starting role is probably injury at this point. That is not exactly the best way to take over. This, again, limits his potential to be successful.
5. There are probably more teams suffering from lack of a QB now than have been in past years. This seems like an exceptional year for bad teams. Yes... we are one of them.
6. Quinn is still young and is considered a future prospect which also has implications with respect to trade value.
7. Because Quinn played for ND, he is fairly well known throughout the country. Many teams are looking for an attendance boost (bums in seats-BiS) and interest in Quinn would be pretty high. More value enhancement.
8. Quinn is not "Mangini's guy". He will likely be gone sooner or later. Sooner is better as a bad injury or more mediocre performance would just decrease Quinn's value.
In trading Quinn I would expect a high second round pick and maybe a late round pick. A late first round is possible were the need bad enough on the acquiring team. Possible landing spots and reasons:
- Seahawks - Strong senior QB when he is healthy. Good chances for Quinn to come in for a few games here and there. Good QB to learn behind. Nice receiving corps. (Patriots, Vikings and Colts also fit this mold)
- Rams - They need help and they need it now. They also need BiS.
- Jaguars - They have a very inconsistent QB these days and they need a prospect. Also BiS is a big issue here.
- Raiders - If there is a team that is desparate and would give up a lot, it is the Raiders.
So here is how the strategy would go. We continue the year with Anderson; we pretty much know what we have with him. He may improve with more organization and general improvement on the offensive squad (guys figuring out where they are supposed to be and learning to catch) which would be ideal. But if Anderson continues to be inconsistent, you have only two ways to approach this: get a better QB or make the position less relevant to your offense.
The only QB in next year's draft that is a bonifide, potential franchise QB is Sam Bradford. There are others that are decent (and we can go on and on about how high picks don't necessarily mean quality) but I don't think any of the other QBs in the 2010 draft are worth risking high picks. So if new QB it is, with the extra picks from the Quinn trade and other trades, the Browns could obtain a pick high enough to get up Bradford.
Or... we pick up a top-flight running back and fortify the defense with the idea of making a team similar to the Trent Dilfer Ravens who won the superbowl with great defense and a great running game.
I know a lot of you like Quinn and feel he has been treated unfairly under coach Mangini. I can understand that sentiment. But I don't think Quinn can now be successful with the Browns. Trading Quinn would be best for Brady and best for the Browns.
So let the flames begin...
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I would be okay with a trade barring we got a good return. I am a little hesitant after the BE trade to sell a player at his absolute low trade value which is what we would be doing with Quinn as well. (We did not sell low on Winslow, got more for him than Tony Gonzalez.)
As for the teams you listed, I don’t think Seahawks would do the trade because Hasselbeck, when healthy has been great. He gets hurt a lot, but even still Seattle would probably not trade for a replacement this season. Same goes for Jacksonville, the team is playing all right and Garrad has actually been pretty good this year (excluding his most recent effort.)
Rams and Raiders make sense, but I don’t think the Raiders are likely to do a trade seeing their reluctance to pull the plug on the Jamarcus Russell experiment.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Al Davis would never let Quinn and his perceived weak arm play for Oakland.
by rufio on Oct 13, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi everyone…I am new to this but I was reading the blog about trading Quinn. Here are my thoughts and what we should get/do int he daft. Before I start forgive me but I have not been able to watchg ANY of the browns games since I am working as a cilivian in Iraq. Ok, I am ok with the trade becuase I do not beleive Quinn will get a fair shot here in Cleveland. I like Quinn and I like that he is a Ohioan but I think if he was at a team that was complete, like the Steelers in regards to Ben, Quin would be starting now and playing well. People say Quinn is not performing well….he has bnot gotten much of a consistent chance…when he started last year he played 3 games and in two of them put up over 60 points. Anyways if they trade him they need to get some upper draft picks. The Browns need to stop shifting QB’s. NO NFL TEAM HAS EVER MADE THE PLAYOFFS WHEN SWAPPING OUT QB’S. The QB is the one consistent position that needs to be held by one man. Now for the draft the browns need to beef up their trenches. That is the bread and butter of the Clevelabd Browns….not the high flying offense in the west coast. So I would beef up the D line first with some quick and bug defensive ends, maybe one of those BUCKEYES..HMMMM. The beef up the O line with a another draft. Also, I would get a a running back that is built and runs like Jamal Lewis. Set up both backs in the I formation. Use either one to go up the middle to keep the other defenses honsest and for GOD SAKES RUN OFF THE TIGHT ENDS. When Jamal Lewis runs outside in the flats or does a run between the tackle and tight end…LOOK OUT. Use both back for that type of sweep running. That would then open the passing game up for Anderson, also stay with DA since he knows the system and the team looks to him as the leader.Once DA completes some passes and gets some confidence he is dangerous..hince 2007. With a beefed up O line the runnug game opens up and the passing opens up. As for the defesne I wish they would go back to a 4-3 but if they stay in a 3-4 with a couple faster D lineman look out. Also, use Cribbs more as a reciever and pass to him in screens as well as down the field.
I think the Browns need to draft from college teasm that play the style of football the browns do…The Big Ten…especially Buckeyes. I am not saying that either just becuase I am a buckeyes fans..Penn State, Iowa, Michigan….hard nose knock your teeth and stomp on your throat football.
Let me know what you all think….I am hoping AFN will show the Browns-steelers game Sunday night here in Iraq.
by brianprater on Oct 14, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your comment regarding getting lewis running somewhere other than up the gut all the time is spot on. I thought when he went outside this week he picked up some decent yards.
by JustBob on Oct 14, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“no nfl team has ever made the playoff’s when swapping out qb’s”
Browns 2002
patriots won a super bowl after switching out tom brady
i believe tommy maddox started a game before big ben took over and led them to the playoffs
elvis grbac (or however you spell it) was replaced by trent dilfer when the ravens won the super bowl
thats just off the top of my head from the last ten years or so.
by notthatnoise on Oct 15, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant switching to tom brady, he replaced drew bledsoe.
by notthatnoise on Oct 15, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also add to that the bears switching kyle orton and rex grossman in and out
by notthatnoise on Oct 15, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Redskins switch to Todd Collins and make playoffs one year?
by Roger Dorn on Oct 15, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, like 3 or 4 years ago. also, just a nitpick, the ravens’ switch was from tony banks to dilfer, but the point remains.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 15, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, that’s what happend when people just make up stuff off the top of their head — they’re usually wrong.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 15, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And believe me, Tommy Maddox to Big Ben ruined that season.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so shoot me, i messed up one name, but i got every other one didn’t I? does the fact that one was messed up (though the switch did occur and they did make the playoffs) invalidate my point? I was right on 5 out of 6, i believe that makes me usually right.
by notthatnoise on Oct 16, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You misinterpreted my response — that wasn’t directed at you, that was directed at the person who made the original comment which you were refuting. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 16, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha oh oops, my bad then for the overreaction
by notthatnoise on Oct 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I am saying about switching quarterbacks all the time is look at how many times the Browns have switched their quarterbacks since comming back to the NFL! The quarterback position is a leadership role and when there is constant inconsistency in that postion by using a differ starting quarterback the team will not have any constant offensive leadership. Yes those teams stated above have swoitched out quarterbacks but now those teams, at least most of them, have a constant starter and look where they are now. The Bears are having issues again, not nearly as bad as the Browns, but still issue becuase they do not have a constant startiing QB.
by brianprater on Oct 19, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason we’ve switched QB’s so much is because we haven’t found a good one yet. Of course we know that it’s not good to keep switching QB’s every couple years, but would you rather we stick with a bad QB just for the sake of continuity? Of course not.
Also, not sure what your point is about the Bears — they have Jay Cutler now so they’re set at QB.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Bears are not that good. They went from Super Bowl contneder to nothing due to lack of performance by QB., and yes if the QB is not doing well then he needs to be replaced but the Browns replace QBs almost more than any other team in the NFL…Almost. I am not sayingn that the constant QB switching is the only reason for their horrible seasons but it is a reason. If they would get better support to one QB that QB would develop. THATS WHAT I AM SAYING.
by brianprater on Oct 19, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what we’re saying is that switching the QB is not the issue, but a symptom of the real issue, bad QB play.
by notthatnoise on Oct 19, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of support for our QB isn’t the problem; lack of a good QB is the problem.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did Montana go down to have to be replaced by Steve Young? Didn’t that take a while to play out while the 49ers were still consistently making the playoffs? I remember watching Montana go down but I was very young.
by rufio on Oct 16, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In trading Quinn I would expect a high second round pick and maybe a late round pick. A late first round is possible were the need bad enough on the acquiring team.
If you could get a high 2nd round pick for Quinn, then you would be a fool not to take it. However, I think that’ s wildly optimistic. What you’ve got is a guy who has proven nothing in the NFL, and can’t start for one of the league’s worst teams, and especially for one of the VERY worst offenses. Think of yourself as a GM here: why in the world would you give up a 2nd round choice for that? Sure, he MIGHT develop into a QB, but there is virtually no evidence to support that, and in fact he appears to have regressed seriously. If I’m a GM, maybe I risk a 5th or 6th round choice, but nothing higher. And I say this as a Quinn supporter. There just isn’t much value there right now, so you’re trading him at the lowest possible point.
by drjeo on Oct 13, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I think a 3rd rounder is as high as we can hope for and even that might be a stretch.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see teams parting with anything more than a 3rd rounder for a QB who hasn’t played well in the admittedly few chances he received. Also, not being able to unseat someone like Derek Anderson does not bode well for his future.
A high 2nd round or late 1st round pick is not going to happen. Why would anyone think the Browns can get that?
by Cols714 on Oct 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asking the wrong person, perhaps because the Browns had reportedly been offered 1st round picks for quinn before?
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was before he was benched for Derek Anderson after looking like the 2nd coming of Charlie Frye.
by Cols714 on Oct 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, asking the wrong person.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. why would anyone take a chance on him for a 2nd rounder when he’s regressed? his trade value was highest in the off-season.
by Dawg Nuts on Oct 13, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point here but what I’m looking at is comparing Quinn to a potential 2nd round QB pick. This next year has some pretty off-the-wall QBs once you get out of the first round. They are “flyers” in the sense that you’d be taking a big chance that they’ll pan out. I think as a GM for a team with a need I’m thinking that at least Quinn has some experience, has not completely shown he doesn’t have what it takes, and will help with the “bums on seats” thing (which ownership would like).
I agree though that if the Browns could not get good value in return they should just keep him.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Oct 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Grossi made a good point on the STO Red Zone show yesterday on this issue- basically there is no reason to trade Quinn now.
For the short term- there is a real possibility that Anderson gets hurt or plays so badly that a backup is needed. I don’t want Ratliff seeing playing time in a real game, wasting snaps like we did for the last part of 2008. I’d rather get one last look at Quinn.
For the long term- Even if the season ends with Quinn not playing another down, or playing poorly, Quinn’s value will likely be higher after the season is over. There will be coaching and front office changes across the league looking to take a chance on their own guy at QB.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 13, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. If DA gets hurts this season then we get another chance to look at Quinn — I’d rather see him than Ratliff. And his value isn’t going to be any lower at the end of the year, so I think we should wait until then because we’ll have more potential suitors in the offseason which should drive up the price (not that we’ll get much anyways).
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 13, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said. I’d agree with this.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 14, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos have lots of picks to deal, a quarterback who is seen as an interim solution (though that may change if they keep winning), and a coach who has shown some interest in Quinn. If anyone would give as much as a second round pick for Quinn, I’d think it would be them. In the offseason. If the Broncos collapse and if they’re not happy with Orton as a long-term solution.
Otherwise we’re looking at a fifth or sixth rounder.
If we are shopping Quinn, it might be a better idea to throw him in vs. the Lions, Jags, Chiefs, and Raiders at the end of the season and hope that he can raise his trade value.
by golanbatrac on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is about a 1% chance the Broncos are interested in Quinn at this point.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/agree about Denver. Thought of a couple of more teams though…
Panthers – Delhomme has been iffy at best and there is a big drop off to their #2.
Bucks – Leftwich is banged up and not looking good anyway.
Bills – I don’t think they are too sold on Edwards and their coach is in trouble. Jauron needs a lifesaver.
Cowboys – Romo has been inconsistent. Kitna is the backup. Quinn would be cheap and I think Jones would like that aspect to help pay for that huge monstrosity in the middle of that new stadium.
Interesting how many teams are struggling at QB this year at this time. That is why I wonder if the demand will be as great in the off-season. Also, the “coach in trouble” angle might be significant.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Oct 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucs are not a good fit, they drafted Josh Freeman this year or last year and I expect him to play much of this year if Leftwich is done.
by talonk on Oct 13, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Johnson is the starter there now.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 13, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panthers – Agreed.
Bills – Edwards and Quinn have a lot of the same problems. Quinn being a slight downgrade.
Bucks – See above comment.
Cowboys – Romo > Quinn (I really don’t think we’ll see Romo lose his spot in Dallas anytime soon.)
Other teams:
Raiders – Someone has mentioned this already I’m sure.
Rams – Obvious.
49ers – Alex Smith has done nothing thus far.
Maybe’s:
Redskins – Could give Campbell a run for his money.
Titans – Collins is aging and Vince Young has a lot issues.
by Simmsinns on Oct 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
49ers are playing well with Shaun Hill. I don’t see why they’d want to trade for a quarterback. And I agree that Dallas isn’t going to get rid of Romo any time soon; he’s not nearly as bad as some people are saying.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 13, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, they should probably be in the “Maybe” category, in case Shaun Hill drops off or they interested in a prospect.
by Simmsinns on Oct 13, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the 49ers as an option. Shaun Hill has done a reasonable good job of QBing that team and even if he was to implode out of nowhere, Alex Smith is in what I would call a Brady Quinn-like scenario where he would get one more chance to prove anything before they gave him the boot.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 14, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with titans, raiders, rams; disagree with redskins.
is schaub really a lock in houston? maybe they’d want him.
by Dawg Nuts on Oct 13, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be clear – as a backup, replacement when schaub is playing poorly.
by Dawg Nuts on Oct 13, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’d be idiots to give up on Schaub. The problem in Houston is the defense.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that defense bad? I thought they had a pretty talented roster there. Have not seen them this year.
by rufio on Oct 14, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario Williams is a monster. Probably in the top 5 most intimidating defenders in the NFL.
by Simmsinns on Oct 14, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than Mario Williams, the rest of their D-Line picks have been busts.
They just can’t stop the run.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Amobi Okoye in a heartbeat. He’d be an ideal 3-4 DE.
by golanbatrac on Oct 14, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okoye is only 21, so I wouldnt call him a bust.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 14, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, he came out really early, his maturation will probably last more than usual.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't come out real early
He was really young when he entered into college, 16.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 14, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I meant age-wise not college year.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Louisville fan, I really like him.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 16, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a
Louisville fan and a Browns fan, my fall sucks.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 17, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, we need to get rid of Kragthorpe. He may be the worst college football coach ever. No, Ty Willingham was worse
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 17, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recently I have been having Cooper flashbacks. My doctor told me not to worry about it because it’s getting colder and people will stop noticing my excessive drinking.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 18, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Willingham was nowhere near the worst coach in college football history. He has some winning seasons at Stanford and he did okay at ND. Just because you guys dropped him for that genius Weis doesn’t mean he was a terrible coach.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 18, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
al groh, on the other hand, is a terrible college football coach…
/virginia alum
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 18, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
al groh is a
terriblecollege football coach…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 19, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t mean anything. He’s still a terrible college football coach.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was AWFUL at ND.
And I hope you remember how well he did at Washington.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 18, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t come close to making him the worst coach in the history of college football. Unless by “history of college football” you mean the past 8 years.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Weis has not been appreciably better.
Tyrone Willingham: 21-15
Charlie Weiss: 30-21
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weiss has a .588 win percentage.
Willingham had a .583 win percentage.
The outlier for Weiss was that dreadful 3 win season.
The outlier for Willingham was the 10 win season.
Willingham’s best season was his first. The players were recruited by the previous coaching staff.
Weiss’ worst season was his third, when Willingham’s final recruiting class were seniors.
One of the stated reasons for Willingham being fired was his poor recruiting.
Weiss and Willingham have one Bowl win between them (last years’ Hawaii Bowl).
by golanbatrac on Oct 19, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you lose, Weis should be fired after the game.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 24, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Weis gets all the credit for going 9-3 his first year with Willingham’s players and Willingham gets all the blame for Weis winning 3 games with 3 years of Weis players and one year of Willingham players. Sorry. This is just ridiculous. I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but it seems to me that Willingham was treated shabbily by Notre Dame and its fans.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No dog either
But i think willingham get treated shabbily also. However, he has earned quite a bit of that treatment. Before his mess at washington I used to defend him, but honestly now, I just don’t think he is a good coach, or atleast hasn’t shown that to be so. As far as Weiss, well, i’ll leave that to the golden domers to argue about.
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by Villeslgr on Oct 19, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Weis gets all the credit for going 9-3 his first year with Willingham’s players and Willingham gets all the blame for Weis winning 3 games with 3 years of Weis players and one year of Willingham players.
Fair enough.
by golanbatrac on Oct 19, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When those players played for Willingham, he couldnt use them.
Willingham’s recruiting classes were like mid-MAC level(no offense to MAC schools). The only reason we got Quinn was because Chinedume Ndukwe convinced Ty to offer him a scholorship.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well…that’s a complete fabrication
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 23, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the very public “no confidence” vote that willingham got in his final season artificially depressed his recruiting efforts. a nice self-fulfilling prophecy there for the domers, “he couldn’t recruit…after we fired him”
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 19, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read about this guy in a Whitlock article. Check his record after leaving Marshall. Not sure what happened to him he started off good, maybe it was the competition or what he already had in place in his first two jobs.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schaub had an off game in Week 1, and has since more than made up for it! He’s top 3 in yardage and touchdowns.
by Simmsinns on Oct 13, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the offseason. If the Broncos collapse and if they’re not happy with Orton as a long-term solution.
by golanbatrac on Oct 13, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we get a good offer for him, take it. otherwise, wait until the end of the season.
by emily522 on Oct 13, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see why anyone would trade for Quinn at this point. Unless it’s for a late (5th or worse) round pick, why would a team give up something of value for someone that can’t beat out Derek Anderson?
All of those teams would be better off drafting a QB next year or looking in FA than making a trade now for Quinn.
by Cols714 on Oct 13, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even bad QBs can fetch a 4th rounder. Luke McCown got us a 4th rounder when it was clear he was no good. Sage Rosenfels got a 4th this past offseason from the Vikings.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Frye got us a 6th after one of the worst performances I have ever seen by an NFL QB.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they are offered a 4th rounder, they better take it.
by Cols714 on Oct 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini has made it clear that Quinn wont get another chance, so I hope he is traded.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 13, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I dont see anything more than a 3rd being traded for him.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 13, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said Derek will remain the starter.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 13, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t parse ‘remain the starter’ as ’won’t get another chance’.
If BQ gets traded, I’ll agree with your parsing of the sentence. :-)
by tribe71 on Oct 14, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you consider it’s a money issue, in addition to the poor play? i like Quinn but enough to pay him 11 million for 11 games this year? If he sits for another 3 games and Anderson continues to play poorly I see no reason why after the bye week we don’t see Quinn again. The NFL is a business and Quinn in 2.5 games wasn’t Peyton and the Browns weren’t Indy… so it makes great business sense to no play him.
Of course if the rumor of him putting his house up for sale is true, doesn’t sound like he’ll be around long.
My prediction is Carolina
by Guage80 on Oct 13, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Anyway, Quinn doesn’t get 11 million unless he plays something like 70% of the team’s snaps. So your entire premises- which wasn’t very clear- is totally undermined.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his premise
Was that in the first few games Quinn did not look like he would be worth paying 11 million to. So instead of allowing him to learn and start they bench him just long enough so that he can reach the 70% figure and then bring him back as the starter later in the year.
To me that sounds like some kind of scheme Mangini would come up with. I don’t necessarily think an NFL team would risk that (has to be some sort of violation) but I guess you never know.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 14, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*sorry
should say "just long enough so that he can never reach the 70% figure
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 14, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the way Quinn played in the first 2.5 games there is no reason to think he was benched for any reason other than his performance.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say I believed it
I was just trying to clarify what I thought his idea was. I may have read it wrong.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 14, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that you don’t need a “scheme” to come up with a reason to bench Quinn; it was justified by his play at the beginning of the season.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 14, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And after the Bills game, DA doesn’t ‘deserve’ a benching?! Oh wait, I guess we should be satisified with a 6-3 win over another lifeless cellar dweller.
I could totally believe the incentive angle for benching. Amazing that we again leave a player totally undeveloped so that Mangina can pocket a few more bucks for Lerner. Disgusting…
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is going to take you seriously if you use the word “Mangina”. That’s so immature.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry..Didn’t mean to offend your coach. Glad you’re enjoying his reign. Oh, and thanks for your opinion…Again, my most sincere apologies. I didn’t realize you were the moderator.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I’m one of the assistant moderators. And it’s not about “offending my coach” — you’re allowed to criticize Mangini all you want, and plenty of people do here, but combining his name with the word vagina makes you sound like an 10-year-old boy. We want intelligent football discussion here, so please go somewhere else if you want to talk like that.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your parents must be proud of your status as ‘assistant moderator’…LMAO Your fascination with political correctness and ‘people not replying properly’, is, if nothing else, hilarious. You are an IDIOT!
Again, morons like yourself who are satisifed with a 6-3 win over a terrible team, with no signs of progress whatsoever, are what allows this ownership group to continue to put cheap losers on the field and still turn a profit.
BTW, is that really Terrelle Pryor in your avatar?! I love the Buckeyes, but I can certainly see that you are a person who is satisified with mediocrity.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad you find yourself so amusing. Nobody else here does.
I never said I was satisfied with a 6-3 win over a terrible team. I never said I was satisfied with mediocrity. Please stop making things up.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..and you speak for EVERYONE on the board. You are the man!
You seem to want the plug pulled on Quinn after ALL OF 2.5 games, when the reality is, VERY FEW QBs come in as a starting QB and make an immediate impact, especially without a supporting cast. We are seeing the same thing with Sanchez, who, according to ESPN is the second coming of Christ. He has had two TERRIBLE games….Should the Jest bench him? How about Stafford..Mediocre at best. Guess your theory only applies to the Browns. But then I forgot, you don’t discuss football and debate ways OUR team could get better, your only concern is political correctness and not offending your coach…Or, God-forbid, DA the Great. PATHETIC!
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He speaks for everyone when calls you a douche.
I have most of the same views about the Browns that you do. I don’t catch any flak because I am able to act like a mature adult.
See the difference?
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever…Again, continued tolerance of failure is what keeps us where we’re at….LOSING! A$$HOLE!
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW…“when calls you”..? Get him Brad…Not grammatically correct!
Guess you don’t discuss stats either…Its really too bad we have such a sheepish fan base.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. That is about what I was expecting from you.
Maybe I should give it to you so you can understand it…
LOL! U iz crazeee dawg! Dis bored ain’t rizeady 4 ur noledge playa!! Dontz let tha haterz getz you dizown! OMG! Yuz shudz prob headz overz 2 cleveland.com where dey letz youz sayz stupid thingz lik Manginia. I betz youz mde dat up yurself! OMG! I ouutie lika belly button playa!
Please, go back to cleveland.com message boards.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Reading that made my head hurt. Well done.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 17, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..and you speak for EVERYONE on the board.
No, he doesn’t. But saying that no one here finds your half-witted straw man laden ‘arguments’ amusing is a pretty safe assumption.
You are the man!
I agree. Brad is the man.
You seem to want the plug pulled on Quinn after ALL OF 2.5 games, when the reality is, VERY FEW QBs come in as a starting QB and make an immediate impact, especially without a supporting cast.
A quarterback without a supporting cast winds up in a cast.
Some Quinn supporter you are. You just want to see him get hurt.
We are seeing the same thing with Sanchez, who, according to ESPN is the second coming of Christ. He has had two TERRIBLE games….Should the Jest bench him? How about Stafford..Mediocre at best. Guess your theory only applies to the Browns.
What’s this theory you speak of? Link?
But then I forgot, you don’t discuss football and debate ways OUR team could get better…
Couldn’t be any farther from the truth here, Gummo. Brad always brings the facts.
your only concern is political correctness and not offending your coach…Or, God-forbid, DA the Great.
The majority of people on this board have a low tolerance for PD style douchebaggery. If you want substantive discussions, you have to make an effort to keep the hoi polloi at bay.
PATHETIC!
Agree. You are pathetic.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don’t come here and tell me what I do and don’t do — you don’t know anything about me. I’ve discussed the Browns on this site for more than two years, and I’ve had plenty of intelligent debates about football with people who don’t act like children. If you would like to discuss the Browns like an adult then I’d be happy to oblige, but I’m not going to continue this lunacy.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no official position with this forum at all and speak for no one save myself, but I think your continued use of ‘Mangina’ marks you as childish, intellectually lazy, and probably too biased to be worth listening to.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 17, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I love the Internets.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 18, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a BQ promoter, but there is no sense keeping him if we are keeping Mangini beyond this season. Not that I care if BQ prospers elsewhere, but of course there’s a better chance that he’ll develop elsewhere with a better team around him.
We should trade him for whatever the highest bidder will give because Mangini is done with him.
by elsandito on Oct 13, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s a reasonably cheap backup if he’s not getting many snaps, so why not keep him?
by NM Dawg on Oct 13, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I agree with this unless we get overwhelmed. Quinn is not going to hit his playing time incentives, and therefore, his contract is basically for nothing. No reason to get rid of him.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless a reasonable deal comes around, which might be unlikely, I’m just stating the obvious reason as to why a trade might happen.
by Simmsinns on Oct 13, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his contract situation actually makes him even more tradable this offseason…if this season is pretty much a wash, then he has literally no chance of making his incentives. as such, he becomes a VERY cheap qb option for another franchise, which could bring more in return for him. assuming we want to move him, that is.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 13, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because every time the starting qb has a bad game the fans will be screaming for quinn, it would be a controversy every year
by notthatnoise on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade Quinn
Why not after the way D A played I against the Bills they they just need more second & third string Jets! I say start Ratliff he can do any wrose even though he sucks!
by Ralph b on Oct 13, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree! A few more Jets rejects just might do the trick! lol Maybe Ratliff is the answer…LMAO
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why trade him? He is cheap, and still young. No one in their right mind is going to give us any value for him and the Raiders already traded 2011’s first rounder. Best we could hope for is a mid rounder. Is the 115th pick in the draft worth giving away a young QB that we traded up to acquire? And did I mention that we still have no idea what kind of QB he is?
Yes he has sucked this year but guess what? He has started 7 games in his career. The last 1st round QB with less starts (excluding this years draft), was Jim Drunkenmiller in 1997.
Think of all the crap QB’s taken in the first round since then (Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf, Patrick Ramsey). They all had more playing time than Quinn. QB is the hardest job in all of sports, and we expect great results from a QB that has only played 7 games? Okay, maybe he isn’t Matt Ryan (although I could argue that if we had Roddy White and Micheal Turner…) but he sure as hell could still be Matt Hasselbeck.
Save the “he sucked this year” for someone that thinks that SSS doesn’t mean anything. Trading a 24 year old, cheap, talented QB for a 3rd rounder is a horrible idea. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco aren’t the norm. They are the exception. Eli Manning through his first 7 games had stats that look like Quinns.
Trading him now would be the absolute example of selling low. So if Mangini’s goal is to piss away young players (and I hope that it isn’t), then I wish Quinn well.
If we can get a first rounder, then trade his ass.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 13, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No way we get a 1st rounder for him… 20 teams passed on him Draft Day.
I would throw a party if we got a 2nd round pick for him.
by AaronD on Oct 13, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “20 teams passed” thing is so, so stupid.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 13, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, and even beyond “need” about 3/4 of those 20 teams financially couldn’t pick him (b/c whether they liked their QB or not, they had too much money tied up in the position already).
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eg, San Fran.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even just money, people probably had their jobs based on QBs they were still hoping would pan out…e.g. San Fran.
by rufio on Oct 14, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does
everything have to be stupid?
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, just stupid things.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 17, 2009 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams weren’t looking at QBs that year because there weren’t any. If I remember correctly, there was only one QB picked before Quinn, and that guy stinks. We got the best QB in the draft that year. I would pick Quinn over Russell even today.
So to say that all those teams "passed" on him… is ridiculous.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 13, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way we get a 1st rounder for him
That’s my point. The gain of trading Quinn isn’t close to the gain of keeping him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 13, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only gain from keeping him is a QB controversy every year. I don’t think he’ll ever step up and become the clear cut starter, but he will be good enough to make fans crazy every time the starter has a bad game
by notthatnoise on Oct 15, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the season I have no problem with revisiting the idea of trading Quinn.
Right now, I think it is stupid.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 15, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless someone with SB aspirations’ QB goes down before the trade deadline, I don’t see us getting anything of value.
by rufio on Oct 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All 32 teams passed on Matt Cassell MULTIPLE TIMES!
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 14, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of teams passed on Tom Brady, too. Probably Drew Brees, as well.
by rufio on Oct 14, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because Cassel sucks?! Better examples are Brady, Brees, Favre…
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow…Mooncamping is smarter than you.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 17, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bernie19Kosar for GM!
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, we’d have to get a really good deal.
by rufio on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alex hall or dan lafevuer in the 2nd round next year, do your homework on the other qb’s in college football, not just the big schools. imo, you find the better qb’s coming from the smaller schools, where they have to work for everything they have. how many “big school” qb’s are in the nfl? 3?
by athensdawg2 on Oct 13, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong, most starting QBs come from BCS schools:
BCS programs (26): P Manning – Tennessee, Brady – Michigan, Orton – Purdue, Schaub – Virginia, Rivers – NC State, E Manning – Ole Miss, Palmer – USC, Campbell – Auburn, Rodgers – Cal, Collins – Penn St, Brees – Purdue, Ryan – Boston College , Edwards – Stanford, Sanchez – USC, Cutler – Vandy, Hill – Maryland, Stafford – Georgia, Cassel – USC, Hasselbeck – Boston College, Russell- LSU, Boller – Cal, Henne – Michigan, Bulger – West Virginia, Quinn – Notre Dame, Anderson – Oregon St, McNabb – Syracuse
Non BCS (5): Rothlisberger – Miami OH, Garrard – East Carolina, Favre – Southern Miss, Delhomme – LA Lafayette, Leftwich – Marshall
FCS (4): Romo – Eastern Illinois, Flacco – Delaware, Warner – Northern Iowa, Josh Johnson – San Diego
by talonk on Oct 13, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Hall is our linebacker.
If you are talking about Max Hall, he isnt that good. We do have two 5th rounders though if we like him for some reason.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 13, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that QB’s in the BCS schools don’t have to work hard?
We need QB’s with talent, not some kid from a small school who “worked hard” to get where he was. That sounds too much like Charlie Frye to me.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 13, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don,t think Mangini could get anything right in a trade do you. Just look at the way he handle the draft. Knowing him he only want 2 seventh rounders for him.
by Ralph b on Oct 13, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what a ridiculous thing to say.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 13, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey ralph b, mangini did pretty good with the edwards trade! two draft picks and two players that play!
by athensdawg2 on Oct 13, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reply fail …. please use the reply button, it keeps the conversation in one place.
by talonk on Oct 13, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 players that wouldn’t play anywhere else in the NFL but on a crap team with a crap coach like we have. Glad to see BE stinking it up on MNF making Mangina look like a genius…Absoulte waste of a legitimate number one receiver.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stopped reading at ‘Mangina’.
Grow up.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s at least the third time he’s done that. It’s neither funny nor original.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, SO SORRY to offend your guys’ coach. I know he’s doing a bang-up job..We should all be thankful.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can criticize the coach without resorting to childish name-calling. That’s the point I’m trying to get across to you.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares what name is used…The guy is worthless! That is the point! We are going to be worse off after this guy gets the boot than we were after Butch Davis, who at least snuck into the playoffs one year.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy is worthless!
much like every comment you’ve made on this site. kudos.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 18, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re offending comedy/humor in general, not the Browns coach.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 18, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, it is not funny. I wasn’t aware it was an attempt at being funny.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 18, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ever think Braylon was dogging it for the Browns? I for one am disgusted by him, but I read some Browns fans that want to blame the coaches.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 18, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, i thought it still made sense, but that’s just me.
by athensdawg2 on Oct 13, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading Quinn??!!?
OK, coach is in love with DA for some reason. But after DA put up the worst starting QB numbers in Browns history!!! – you want to trade Quinn? I’ve read comments about DA beating out Quinn for the job – when? Compare there stats. We already have 16 draft picks, we don’t need more. Maybe there is a reason every WR we have had the last 2 years can’t catch DA passes. Thrown behind, to far, and way to hard. 10 quarters vs. the last year and 1/2 of DA – All roads point to Quinn. I agree Quinn would do better in on another team. But that is not helping the browns. Alot of you don’t want to see Ratliff play – I know any QB in the NFL could of thrown for more than his 20-something yards on sunday. But he is still the starter, not benched at half-time like quinn. I hate the coach, Andersons ego is insane, and people want to draft another QB. I’ve seen this play out for over 10 years now with the browns. The one decent season DA had, he averaged over a int. a game. That was our best QB season since the return. The defensive coor. has taken a average defence and made them a excited – tough D that teams are starting to notice. It’s time for a veteran, if your going to trade – make the deal for vick. Atleast he could run for more yards than DA passed. And we would have a reason to be called the Dawg pound. Maybe vick and stallworth could share parole officers. There is so much promise in our D, It’s time to take O serious. Then we could atleast compete every week. It’s sad when your not looking forward for a win, just a good game. Jim Brown is our legacy, how far we have fallen. BENCH DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by philip e on Oct 13, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mangini looks desperate to me. Not in love with DA.
I think Ratliff has the only chance of being here 2 years from now.
by tribe71 on Oct 14, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were looking at something like 11 picks with all of the extras except for 2nd/3rd for Edwards being at the 5th and below. (Don’t recall if details were ever revealed on the conditional pick from Carolina for Leonard).
So, if something big comes along I don’t think we can argue that we already have too many 4th and above picks.
Hell. Maybe 16+ picks wouldn’t be so bad at this point. Package some of the lower ones with some backups to get a spot a bit closer to the top. I’m about ready to say shake the Etch-a-Sketch and just start over.
On the other hand, I’m so sick of hype with a disappointment chaser that the draft keeps looking more and more unpalatable. I know that players take time to develop, but I thought by now we’d see more than just a steady improvement from Mack and one good game from Massaquoi.
And that leads me to something else I can’t figure out. (I’m not going to list all of the things that I can’t figure out because that would be a long list and this site has no bearing on Rubik’s cubes.)
On one hand it looks (to me) like maybe Mangini is more intent on putting together the pieces to form the foundation for next year than on accomplishing too much this year. Get some guys and take a season to develop them. But if that’s the case, why bench Quinn? Why not let him play out the season (which wasn’t going to go anywhere anyways) and keep DA on the sidelines where he had only one bad year against one PB year and thus preserve some of his trade value?
Instead we now have two “starting” QBs with what i have to think is rather low trade value.
by JustBob on Oct 13, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What evidence do you have that Quinn could be an effective NFL starter?
by palcal on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What evidence do you have that he can’t?
I hope it isn’t “because he sucked in 7 games”. Because he was pretty freaking good at ND. Guess what? Neither one of those give us any idea of whether or not Brady Quinn is going to be a good NFL QB.
After 2+ seasons, we still don’t have an idea if Quinn is any good or not.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 13, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll agree that we don’t know for sure about quinn as of now…but i can’t go all the way to we “don’t have an idea”. we have an idea, and it’s not promising. not saying that can’t be reversed, but we have an idea.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just think that Quinn is bothered by the speed right now. It’s not like he is making poor throws, he is just rushing things.
IMO getting more comfortable with the speed of the game can only come in game time situations. We also need to remember that he hasn’t seen consistent game speed in 3 years.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously I am sick of everyone kissing Quinn’s butt just because he is from Ohio. When we did have the winning season with DA, yall still were complaining. Brady Quinn was the same as Troy Smith, against good teams and bad teams he played well. Against the top teams he didn’t. And where as you can argue that the offensive line didn’t do well for Smith, you can’t use that excuse with Quinn.
If it wasn’t for the fact everyone was talking about how he was coached by Charlie Weiss, no one would have been making that big of a deal about him.
And college record means nothing, look at Matt Leiner. If you gonna hate at least be equal about it. DA threw a very good game against Cinci and yall probable was downing that. Buffalo he had some very bad throws, but most of it was people dropping the ball. If Brady was the one playing that game with the score like that, yall would have been saying we need more wide receivers. Most top quarterbacks throw hard, Brett, Donovan, Marino, P Manning and alot others. People weren’t or aren’t complaining because they had the receivers who could catch it.
I don’t want Brady to be traded, but this attitude of we’re not winning I hate everyone without giving them a chance to do anything is old. I’m starting to think Cleveland is the only place that boos a person when they are here, not giving them a chance and gets angry when they go somewhere else and do well. Belichick comes to mind.
And for the record last season the whole team played bad and if any of you don’t think that was by design. I feel sorry for ya, players have more power than you think and they couldn’t stand Phil Savage, which I do not blame.
by neicey0404 on Oct 14, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brady Quinn was the same as Troy Smith, against good teams and bad teams he played well. Against the top teams he didn’t. And where as you can argue that the offensive line didn’t do well for Smith, you can’t use that excuse with Quinn.
I don’t know what the hell you are talking about with Troy Smith. He was great in college in big games, save the Florida game when his line completely imploded. And I’d be happy with Quinn if he was the same as Smith, who has looked good any time he has had an opportunity.
He was amazing against some very very good Michigan teams, great at Texas, very good against Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl.
And I keep hearing the Quinn big game crap. He was good against USC twice, Good against OSU in the Fiesta Bowl, Great against Penn State. He wasn’t great against USC or OSU, but he was forced to pass every down. Those ND teams had no defense at all and Quinn had very limited weapons.
If you gonna hate at least be equal about it. DA threw a very good game against Cinci and yall probable was downing that. Buffalo he had some very bad throws, but most of it was people dropping the ball
Look, maybe you are obviously new here, but why don’t you look around a little bit before you start complaining about what commenters think about things. There was and is plenty of praise for DA’s Cincinnati performance and nobody is really blindly supporting Quinn anymore. If anything, those that liked Quinn think he hasn’t gotten enough of a chance. But that’s about it.
I don’t want Brady to be traded, but this attitude of we’re not winning I hate everyone without giving them a chance to do anything is old. I’m starting to think Cleveland is the only place that boos a person when they are here, not giving them a chance and gets angry when they go somewhere else and do well. Belichick comes to mind.
This is nonsense.
And for the record last season the whole team played bad and if any of you don’t think that was by design. I feel sorry for ya, players have more power than you think and they couldn’t stand Phil Savage, which I do not blame.
What? Or it could have to do with a tougher schedule, inept coaching, not enought talent, and incredible injuries to the QB position.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This. (And thanks DD for saying this so I didn’t feel compelled to do so!)
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 14, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not care where a QB is from. Ohio, California, Mars, as long as he is good.
Troy Smith kicked ass.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And where as you can argue that the offensive line didn’t do well for Smith, you can’t use that excuse with Quinn.
I think the ‘outstanding’ job by St. Claire the Human Revolving Door kinda weakens this argument.
by JustBob on Oct 14, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s talking about their play in college, not the NFL.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 14, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
St. Clair has played well the last three weeks.
by golanbatrac on Oct 14, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After 5 games, the burden of proof is entirely on those who say he can’t. You’re just too ignorant to understand that.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 14, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Burden of proof is on Quinn, and Quinn alone.
by Simmsinns on Oct 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he certainly has proved anything, except maybe that he’s not an nfl QB
by notthatnoise on Oct 15, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not until he’s played.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 17, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
philip e – TOTALLY AGREE!!! 10 years of this crap is getting sooooo old. At least Mr. Modell wanted a winner, and we could be proud to be Browns’ fans. Oh, to go back to the 80’s and relive real Browns/‘Dawgs’..Brian Sipe, Bernie, Ozzie, Mack, Byner, the Pruitts, Web, Brennan, Hanford & Frank, Clay, Michael Dean…But I digress… The continual ‘rebuilding’, coaching carousel (although this fat idiot has to go), and refusing to develop young players has got to stop!
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you honestly don’t think Randy Lerner wants the Browns to win then you’re even dumber than I thought. That’s just stupid; of course he wants the Browns to win. Just because he hasn’t been successful doesn’t mean he’s not trying to find the right leadership for this team. It’s way too early to judge Kokinis and Mangini.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, does he? How have we done under the ‘leadership’ of the Lerners? Too early? The right leadership? This guy was just FIRED by the Jets for not performing. We have a roster void of talent and no signs of bringing any players in, unless of course, they were former Jets on a team that failed to make the playoffs. I would argue that we have plenty of data on your coach.
Guess you didn’t know any of the old school players…From when we were actually good. New fans are so hard to teach.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously you’ve given up on the organization. Fair enough. Why not find some better way to spend your time, rather than wasting it here with us hopelessly uninformed losers?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 17, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given up on? Suggesting ways to get better and reminding ourselves of our storied past should serve as inspiration for us to INSIST that the ownership group find solutions for improving this team. Complacency and tolerating failure is giving up.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mindlessly insulting the present coach, suggesting we lose everyone from the owners on down, and pining for the days of Mack and Byner (not that I don’t have my days of that last) seems more like self abuse than constructive criticism.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 17, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that pointing out a person’s shortcomings constitutes ‘mindless insults’. These guys are not performing, morale stinks, and we show no signs of improving. Those are all tangible facts. I also don’t think that reflecting on the past constitutes ‘pining’. We should be proud of, and indeed remind ourselves of our storied past, and insist that the ownership group bring us back to that level. That is not self abuse, this is abuse being imposed on us by those currently running this team.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling the coach a “fat idiot”, “crap” and repeatedly “Mangina” does not exactly represent measured discourse. Nor do I think that namechecking our past greats represents reflection, as if most of us here aren’t already aware of them.
Funny thing is, I tend to agree with some of your points, and think the benching of BQ has really stunted our future QB situation whether it resulted in some short term gains or not. However, wading through your constant kneejerk insults and all-encompassing hatred of every aspects of the current Browns organization makes it hard to get interested in an actual conversation on said subjects….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 17, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
morale stinks
Opinion, not a tangible fact
we show no signs of improving
Opinion, not a tangible fact
Every team wants its ownership to give them a winning team — we’re no different. We’re all Browns fans here, we don’t need to be reminded of our storied past. We know that. But pining for the 80’s isn’t going to help this current team win any games. Don’t you realize that? Anyways, this is just a blog and nothing we talk about here has any affect on the team or the games. If you think posting messages here bashing Lerner is going to force him to improve the team then you’re even more delusional than I thought.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Belichick was fired by Modell — how did he do in his second job?
And I’m certainly not a “new fan”.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Belichick also got his players to buy into his system…That did not happen with the Jest and is most certainly not happening now. It seems to take a very unique individual to be able to take a hard-line approach with these guys. There has to be some reason the players ‘have to’ respect him…Not empty threats or silly fines. I also think it takes a more veteran team, which the Patriots were in many regards. Again, Brady just had to come in and manage that team after Bledsoe got hurt. Those are two totally different situations.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jets…lol Although Jest likely fits…
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belichick is just one example; there are many coaches who were fired from one job then went on to have success at their next one. Mangini had two winning seasons in three years with the Jets — that’s not bad. I’m not saying Mangini is the greatest coach in the world — I don’t know that — but it’s much too early to say he’s not going to be successful in Cleveland. He’s only been the head coach for five games; you can’t possibly say he’s a failure already. We have to give him a chance to bring in players and put his system in place. I like some of the moves him and Kokinis have made so far but what they do in next year’s draft will go a long way towards determining the future of this franchise.
We don’t like the losing, but whining about every move the Browns make isn’t productive, either. Mangini and Kokinis aren’t dumb — they’ve been around the NFL and had success. They know what they’re doing.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and there is a longer list of guys who have failed in their second attempts. And also, a lot of the successful coaches went to another team as a coordinator, refined their skills, and went on to success by learning from their mistakes of the past.
I am amazed at your confidence in these guys. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see, but I’ll bet you dollars to donuts these guys won’t win anything in Cleveland, and we’ll have a new regime sooner rather than later. BTW, criticizing someone’s performance is not whining, it is pointing out that change is mandatory!
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, let’s change our coach and GM after five games. Brilliant idea.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually from what I’ve seen the players have bought into Mangini’s system.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i don’t understand that point either, it seems to me like most of the players have bought in.
by notthatnoise on Oct 19, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Belichick also got his players to buy into his system
great point…he was 36-44 in 5 years in cleveland, and then 5-11 in his first season in new england. please show me the buy in there, professor?
making shit up to support your (bad) points only makes you look worse.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 19, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is poor leadership and bad decision-making still doesn’t make Lerner someone who doesn’t want the Browns to win. It might make him a horrible or less than quality owner, but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want the team to win, he just doesn’t know how to achieve that goal.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 18, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is amazing to me that a group of ‘hawks’ on this site quickly rush to squelch any dissent or dissatisfaction with the direction this team is heading. You guys are not looking for solutions, just ways to stop the bleeding. Counting on another kid from the draft, especially in light of the fact that this ownership group absolutely refuses to allow for the development of a young QB, is insanity..Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. At some point, we need a coaching staff that is willing to work WITH players (these are adults, many of whom are millionaires), instead of fighting against them. The NFL is a business and it is about winning, but sometimes you have to take time to develop a winning nucleus of players. Continual benchings and threats of trades do nothing but damage morale and keep us at the bottom of the division and out of the playoffs.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is amazing to me that a group of ‘hawks’ on this site quickly rush to squelch any dissent or dissatisfaction with the direction this team is heading.
That is simply not true. If you would read this site at all you’d see that there is plenty of dissent and argument about the direction of the Browns. Nobody here is happy with losing. We don’t mind people who criticize the Browns— people here have criticized the team many time, myself included — we just don’t like the approach you are taking. With your immature behavior you are coming off like an idiot, and that’s what we don’t like on this site.
If you change your approach, stop calling people names, and try having intelligent discussions then people will respond to you in a positive way.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t discuss…As soon as someone disagrees with your opinion, you take to the ‘immature or not posting properly’ angle. I can call these losers whatever I’d like, and until they start performing, I owe them no respect whatsoever.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time I’ve said that is when you called Mangini “Mangina” (which you’ve done a few times). You really haven’t given us anything else to talk about, other than whining about the owner and coaches and talking about how great the Browns were in the old days. What is there to discuss about that?
Look around this site — there are many excellent discussions going on. If you make an intelligent criticism them people will respond to you. But if you say words like Mangina people are just going to ignore you because you sound like an idiot. You need to understand that if you want to have a discussion on this site.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? So, discussions about the fact that we wll be on our third ‘quarterback-of-the-future’ in this years draft is not relevant? Points about idle threats to players and low morale are just complaints? The fact that we continue to start a QB with a season QB rating of 39.0 coming off a 15.1 performance is not relative? Sorry, I thought we were talking about fooball here.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a lot of dissent on this website. Just because not everyone acts like a big baby about it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, you are wrong again. I’ve read this site for a long time and just recently started posting. Some haven’t agreed with what i’ve said but there has been no squelching of dissent. Actually there seems to be quite a bit of dissent and dissatisfaction with the course we are on. Fortunately most people know how to handle an adult conversation and don’t resort to childish behavior just because they are posting anonymously on the internet.
From what i’ve experienced and seen everyone can have their own opinion but if you start spouting hyperbole laced with insults and lack of intelligence know one is going to want to listen to what you have to say, because you have already shown that you struggle with being involved in an intelligent conversation.
Try here
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 18, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this ownership group absolutely refuses to allow for the development of a young QB
it’s shocking to me how one person can be so deluded about so many different subjects.
the ownership “group” (randy lerner), literally has NOTHING to do with the development of the young QBs, or any other position on the team, for that matter. how you can presume to lay quinn’s struggles at randy’s feet defies traditional human reasoning.
At some point, we need a coaching staff that is willing to work WITH players (these are adults, many of whom are millionaires), instead of fighting against them
so, you’re saying you’ve been in a cave for the last 4 years? that’s all romeo did, was work with the players (some might say he got worked by the players). how’d that do for us?
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 19, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3k from Turf Show Times
What’s good, peoples. Just wanted to say you can take the Rams out of the Quinn hunt. And I didn’t see it linked anywhere here, but apparently Brady is selling his house…
Your uncle molests collies.
by 3k on Oct 13, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember when Cutler did this.
Does anyone want my Quinn jersey?
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 13, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i’m glad i got that quinn jersey for christmas last year.
oh well, it’s not like buying jerseys of browns players is never a risk lol.
by emily522 on Oct 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Mack jersey. Boom. (as I knock on wood…)
Since I am a bigger guy, I always go for O-Line jerseys. Got Thomas, Stienbach and Mack.
I would spring for a Berry 20 jersey.
Last non O-Line jersey was William Green. Ugh…
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 13, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup…Mine is the great Jim Brown, even though I was not born when he played. IMO other nice options include, Matthews, Dixon, Minnifield, Gash…Give the old defensive guys some props.
by guambrownsfan on Oct 17, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, still got the William Green jersey- it’s my only one. I wear it every Sunday.
I’ve thought of getting a Cribbs or Thomas or Kosar or Metcalf or Jim Brown one, but I keep putting it off.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brown #54 was solid for a few years. that’s all you can really ask.
last year invested in the Cribbs jersey. feel pretty confident in that one paying off as well.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, I was given a Frye jersey as a gift from an Univ. of Akron alum. That lasted about 1 week that season. Now I have a BQ jersey.
I’ll be going with a Cribbs jersey as well. As long as we pay the man his money, we should be set for a few years.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 14, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I got a Cribbs jersey as well. I wanted to be different from all the Quinn and Winslow and Edwards jerseys.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 14, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same with me, which explains why i had the 54 andra davis. i like the more under-the-radar, hard-nosed, underappreciated player over the primadonna when it comes to jerseys.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d scoop up a thomas #73 in a heartbeat. do they make those?
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if robiskie becomes the WR everyone said he’d be, i will definitely want his jersey. he was one of my favorite players at osu, and i’m excited for him to get more opportunities.
by emily522 on Oct 14, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they do. is it safe to assume you don’t live in the cleveland area? there is a mall store called Sportstown that is one of the best as far as having player jerseys available. at Dick’s, you’re usually limited to 4 players, one of whom is likely to be discounted 50%.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i’m on the west coast, so my physical jersey shopping options are limited.
i’ll do some online digging…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFL shop allows you to choose any player on the roster.
Link. Just use the toolbar in the middle.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jurevicious and Stallworth replica jerseys are on closeout for 30 bucks.
D’Qwell replica jerseys for 35.
Still no sign of the holy grail of Browns wear: a 5XLXT Gerald McNeil authentic jersey.
by golanbatrac on Oct 14, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jurevicious and Stallworth replica jerseys are on closeout for 30 bucks.
Interesting. Only $30 for a “vicious” jersey seems like a helluva deal.
by Simmsinns on Oct 14, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some years ago
I was able to get a Courtney Brown, Kevin Johnson and Tim Couch Jersey in cincy at a Bengals game when the league switched to reebok jerseys for $5 each.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 14, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still rock my 1999 tim couch jersey
by notthatnoise on Oct 16, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with Cribbs.
Chicks dig the Special Teams.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have a chris Spielman jersey
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was younger I had a Peyton Manning jersey, Kurt Warner, and Jerome Bettis(please dont hate me for that.)
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 14, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, you had a steelers jersey? and it wasn’t because you had to play for a pop warner “steelers” team? Puke.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite is the guy who ripped off the “C” from his Couch jersey.
by tribe71 on Oct 14, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I turned my Winslow jersey into Win
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s 50x better than the Couch alterations.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other options were “Wins” or “slow” or “low” or “in” or “ow”
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you forgot “i slow”, which while not grammatically correct, would describe me perfectly.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he bought his house thinking he was going to have that $11 million that he’s probably not going to have now.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 14, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selling House.
Was going to report Quinn is selling his house but 3K beat me to it..
I have the Rams as #1 suitors to go after Quinn., Why wouldn’t they? I can see the Raiders and Jaguars also being highly interested.
I doubt the Browns would get a first rounder or 2nd rounder for Quinn. Braylon only netted a 3rd and 5th with some backups and he was the #3 overall pick and a Pro Bowler.
Too many teams passed on Quinn 3 years ago so to say they would all now be ok with trading for him seems a little far fetched.
I would love to get a 3rd and 5th for him rather than release him at season end. IF he is not released or traded he would be smart to hold out an demand a trade or release and we would be left with nothing to show for it.
The Browns are terrible and need to retain Quinn because the right side of OL is garbage and DA will eventually be carted off the field. I guess Ratliff could step in and do a better job than Dorsey did but still do we want to watch that>????
by AaronD on Oct 13, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i could see the rams going after him. maybe we’d get a 4th rounder for him.
by emily522 on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be suprised to see Minnesota make a play for him in the offseason. Favre, rumor has it, could retire at the end of the season.
Would fit perfect up here in the ’Sota.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be even less fair to Quinn. I know he’s been jerked around a bunch in Cleveland, but to be a part of the whole circus that happened this past year in Minnesota is beyond cruel and unusual.
by Chief WaDrew on Oct 14, 2009 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn doesn’t fit Minnesota’s “38 year old QB at the end of his rope” bill
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also agree with the point that if quinn does get traded, it will be so much better for him. i still think he has potential… just not with the browns.
by emily522 on Oct 13, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m not sure i understand this. it’s not as though this regime has wronged him in any meaningful fashion…why does he need a change of scenery? if he were given another shot here, i’d fully expect him to go all out and have the entire support of the organization and the fans.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i mean is basically what the OP post says. (#3)
by emily522 on Oct 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why In God's Name Would You Expect a 2nd?
We got a 6th rounder for Frye and he had more experience and success than Quinn. We did not get a 2nd rounder for Braylon and he at least flashed Pro Bowl talent. Quinn cannot start for one of the 2-3 worst offenses in the league this year, and we get a 2? I would guess that we could get a 5th rounder, with a 4th rounder as the biggest upside we could hope for.
by realmccoy on Oct 13, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That Being Said
I would trade BQ for a 4th or 5th rounder and draft a QB next year (hopefully Bradford)
by realmccoy on Oct 13, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
frye had played enough to show that he sucked out loud. brady has not…he still has some “potential”, which can be turned into a more valuable pick than frye, clearly.
you are nuts if you think moving him for a 4th or 5th rounder is the right move.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why I assumed BQ would get a better pick than Frye.
I can assure you, that you will never get a 2nd rounder for a QB that cannot start for a team with one of the worst offenses in recent history. The other teams look at film too. Matt Cassle got a 2nd rounder.
by realmccoy on Oct 14, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that a 2nd is a huge stretch.
But we got more than a 2 for Braylon. We got a 3 (that could be a 2) AND a 5 AND a LB AND a WR.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has it been made official yet what the contingency is on the 3 becoming a 2? is it Braylon’s performance-based or team success like it was with their deal with GB for Favre?
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and by “official”, i really meant “public” as i haven’t seen it anywhere.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has been reported as individual performance based, but no details have been disclosed.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braylon needs to reach at least 50 catches
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in this past offseason (before we screwed up the #5 pick)
You trade whomever gives you the most value. If DA goes on to a decent season, you sell him off. If DA’s flaws become giants cracks as the season progresses, you trade BQ.
Then you let whomever remains be the starting QB and then ease our #1 pick into the starting role by the end of the 2010 season.
That’s exactly how it should have went down this season, but we got stuck because a new regime came in and hadn’t had time to properly assess these two duds.
by Toxicadam on Oct 14, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yo…what’s with the subject line??
i sort of feel like you let whomever you keep (i don’t think it’s nuts to trade the starter at the end of the season) play all of 2010, w/o the other breathing down his neck. 2010 is still a building year, and if the guy they keep sucks, then you bring in someone else for 2011.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t it just be the Browns luck for us to take Bradford number 1 overall, and then have Quinn play lights out in 2010?
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with this is that we are not likely to be the worst team in the league. We could even finish in the 5-6 range depending how we finish the season. So, that could mean a significant drop off in QB quality at that pick.
by Toxicadam on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Browns, Rams, Raiders and Bucs all win in the 2-4 games area.
Chiefs will get better with Cassel. Steven Jackson will win 2 games by himself. Plus the Bucs won’t draft a QB, same goes for Oakland. I think the Rams may go for a QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 15, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to think the Rams are the worst team in the league and will likely only win 1-2 games at most. First pick, and I think they go QB.
Bucs will not draft or trade for a QB. Oakland may, but it’s almost impossible to predict what they will do.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 15, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it’s almost impossible to predict what they will do.
Unless your predicition is complete and total failure.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 15, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I think the Rams get the #1 pick and go Bradford.
by rufio on Oct 16, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so. The more things that keep us from taking him the better. (I don’t think he’s worth the risk, or the contract.)
by Simmsinns on Oct 17, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His draft stock probably just took a huge hit.
by rufio on Oct 19, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn’t be surprised if he returns for his senior year.
by emily522 on Oct 19, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be VERY surprised if he did
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this would have been a decent approach. In fact, I think that was exactly the plan with Frye and Anderson when we drafted Quinn.
That said, I don’t think we screwed up the 5 pick and I think the fact that the new regime had to come in and reevaluate things was a given- we should move on.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we draft a QB in the first round, I hope that DA and Quinn are both gone.
Take a Bradford and sign a Kerry Collins type to start for 10 games and then teach. Don’t sign Trent Dilfer type, an ass who thinks that he should start no matter what, then craps on the city on his way out, and then for some God-forsaken-reason ESPN decides to hire him as a QB analyst, so he can explain the art of underthrowing a wide open WR to me every week.
Not that I am bitter or anything.
Off-topic: Has ESPN ever hired a decent QB other than Steve Young? I mean really with the Trent Dilfer, Sean Salisbury, Tim Hasselbeck type scrubs. Is Spergeon Wynn busy? I do like Jaws though.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Tim Hasselbeck is cool and has a hot wife.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dilfer is terrible on ESPN. I have to change the channel anytime he is on.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dilfer is terrible because a) he offers nothing insightful as an analyst; b) he still holds a vendetta against the Browns; c) on tv his ugly mug looks like skeletor.
by bbstirrd on Oct 14, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too. he’s so bitter towards the browns (like the other post says) it’s ridiculous.
when brett favre fnally retires, can he take dilfer’s place?
by emily522 on Oct 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Jeff Garcia wasn’t available lol
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats makes DA a great choice
seriously people only difference between D.A. and B.Q. D.A. has had more of a chance at QB then Brady has . If you give Brady the same amount of games as D.A. see who is better but reguardless of who is Qb they needa better line for either Qb because right now your at least aright tackle and aright guard from protecting . 2-17 isnt going to cut it as a Qb for any team even if you include the drops which if you do then you better count the drops that happen when Brady was starting Qb to be far .
by ~~banditwolf~~ on Oct 14, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
anderson’s first start he threw for 24,000 yards and 108 touchdowns. brady’s first start, well, he was not such a world beater…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The right side of the line has actually been playing a lot better. Its odd for such a struggling offense, line help is very low on this team’s list of needs.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d put RG or RT pretty high on the needs list. Even if the guys we have now are competent, they’re not getting any younger. Hadnot is decently young, though.
by rufio on Oct 14, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m ok with where we are at RG. Fraley seems very competent there for now and Hadnot should be good for a couple years. I wouldn’t mind an upgrade at RT, but I just don’t think it is as important a need as others.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly!! Quionn never really had a chance nto be the starting QB. Meaning, he never went a whole season being the starter. He never had an offseason. Guys train differently knowing they are the starter. Omebody look up Troy Aikmans record his first year!! I believe it was somewhere around 3-13, something horrific!!
by The naome40 on Oct 14, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn had his chance for a few games this year and last, and never really showed anything.
yes troy aikman, and even peyton manning had bad records their first year, but they looked good doing it, that is to say it wasn’t their fault. A lot of quinn’s problems (not all by any stretch) are a direct result of his poor play.
by notthatnoise on Oct 16, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still maintain that Quinn looked good last year. The problem is that he seemingly regressed and did not look as good this year.
by rufio on Oct 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still maintain that Quinn looked good in the Broncos game last year.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 16, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And in the Buffalo game before he got hurt. The only two times we saw him healthy last year, but the entire time we saw him healthy last year.
Don’t blame me for Romeo’s mistakes, or for Lerner not firing Romeo before the end of the year so we could see some of the younger guys.
by rufio on Oct 19, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got hurt on like the second play of the buffalo game.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really want to find that DVD and look it up, so fine. You win. Really, both of those defenses were bad last year anyway, so he was probably more successful against them than he would have been on average.
He did look pretty good for a series against a solid 49er defense in 2007. Again, only one series.
Still, he has looked good at some point and looks awful now, just like DA.
by rufio on Oct 19, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice avatar
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Oct 14, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter????
I heard that BQ put his house up for sale. Maybe he knows something we don’t. Listen, if we trade Quinn now is the time. His value will never be higher. The less he plays the less he will show his inadequacies or shall I say his UNDERdevelopement. I don’t see the team improving much over the course of the season., which will not help Quinn’s value. Neither DA or BQ developed as we thought they could. Let’s face it they throw millions of dollars at these players and expect hem to perform on the job. Wouldn’t it make sense to shell out a couple hundred grand and get a quarterbacks coach or an older mentor for these young guys. Sorry but Ken Dorsey doesn’t cut it. And finally, did it make you ill to see Braylon Edwards catch a TD pass ftrst ime out.
by RiverDoc56 on Oct 14, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances that Quinn’s value plummets following starts against Detroit, KC, Jacksonville, and Oakland?
Not saying that he’ll start those games, but it’s a long season, and there are numerous scenarios in which his trade value increases.
by golanbatrac on Oct 14, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you the same person that asked the QB coach question before? Or is there some persistent rumor that there is no quarterbacks coach on the team??
I don’t get it.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches_detail.php?id=66
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t get this. Does he really think we don’t have a QB coach? It’s one thing to say we don’t have a good QB coach, but to think we don’t have one at all is just dumb.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 14, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe to him “we don’t have one” means “we have such a bad one, it’s like we don’t have one at all”
by emily522 on Oct 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His value will never be higher.
Wrong. You mean lower. Unless he robs a liqour store. Even then…
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 14, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brady is trying to make a 10% profit on his house. Since real estate generally has been going down since he bought it, I guess he is looking for a suckup who will overpay for a house owned by a 2nd string QB.
by palcal on Oct 14, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BQ trade
I agree totally with this bc the browns wont be any better with or without him and it seems as if Mangina already wrote him off. Trade BQ and next up get rid of Mangina
by GQ on Oct 14, 2009 2:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I stopped reading at ‘Mangina’.
Grow up.
by golanbatrac on Oct 14, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, did mooncamping say something that makes sense?
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I balme a lot of quinn “benchable” play on the OC. Quinn might not have the strongest arm in the NFL, but I know he can throw the ball farther than 30 yards. To run 5 yard outs and hooks isn’t just a slap to quinn, but to the league. These guys game prep. in the best way. Look at quinns INT in the Baltimore game. Dude sat, and jumped that route before Edwards turned around!!
by The naome40 on Oct 14, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe the problem was that even though longer routes were there, quinn refused to throw to them. I’m not saying he can’t, i saying he won’t. He doesn’t think he can do it, so he only ever throws 10 yards.
I personally don’t THINK he has much of an arm, but i don’t really know, he’s never tried to show it.
by notthatnoise on Oct 16, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you have been at a live game, there is no way you can know this. The TV angles simply do not give us a good view of what is happening 10+ yards down the field.
by rufio on Oct 16, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A fact which is driving me slowly mad, BTW.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 16, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selling Home
KNR is reporting BQ put his home up for sale….
by Red-Right-88 on Oct 14, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How much is it? Maybe I can afford it.
by mooncamping on Oct 14, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He listed it at 750,000 dollars which is about 468,825 GBP
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Brady, Brady < Brady
your house is up for sale. Obviously you see the writing on the wall. Might as well trade him and get what you can for him. Right now the less he plays the higher his value….. in that he wont be displaying his inadequacies on a poor team. I still believe that you throw millions of dollars at these guys and then expect them to do on the job training. It would have been nice to have a proven veteran as a mentor for DA and BQ. And no Ken Dorsey was not the answer!!! Mr. Lerner reach down in those deep pockets of yours and get yourself a quarterbacks coach that is if Mangenius will let you.
by RiverDoc56 on Oct 14, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, now you are just being obnoxious. You just posted this up thread and people responded to you and asked you questions. Stop it.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 14, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who then!!!!
I can see it now…. BQ gets traded for a conditional 3rd and 7th draft pick and everybody says we didnt get enough. First play of the Green Bay game DA gets sacked an d breaks his right arm. Who then? The trading deadline is passed, and you have Ratliff, Bartels geez I dont even know who the 3rd quarterback is on this team nor did I care. I hear Testeverde is still petitioning a comeback in the NFL. If the quarterback is the most important position on the offense why do we not have a quarterback coach? Just a tought.
by RiverDoc56 on Oct 14, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Browns have a QB coach. His name is Carl Smith and here is his bio.
Please stop posting the same thing over and over again, especially when you’re wrong. People responded to your comment above so there is no need to keep repeating yourself. That’s just annoying.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO he is gone. Mangini I believe has seen enough. Having Ratcliff as a back up is fine for Mangini, he obviously loves the guy or he wouldn’t have asked for him in the draft day trade. Just like when Belicheck came into town players he didn’t want around were shown the door, Langhorne, Brennen, Kosar, M. D. Perry and so on. Just like Mangini’s dad, Mangini will show Quinn the door. I really don’t believe they care if it is a 4th or 5th rounder, they will take a pick or picks because they believe the draft is where the Browns will improve themselves.
They better do there homework and draft a good QB next year.
Quinn will find work and do well, hell it is the Browns luck. Edwards and Winslow seem to be doing just fine.
by Grockcubs on Oct 14, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to think he isn’t going anywhere.
I did read something interesting on the OBR yesterday that had occurred on the Dan Patrick radio show. Someone mentioned that Patrick was saying all of the NBC studio guys had heard that Mangini was facing a full locker room mutiny if he didn’t make the switch to Anderson. Apparently the whole team felt Quinn was not the guy.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’ve reported it pretty accurately here, but it’s in hour 1 of this monday’s show (which is on cnnsi.com, if you’re interested). dan says that he heard over the weekend (no source provided) that sticking with quinn would have resulted in a full-on mutiny.
additionally, dan says he thinks mangini is telling us that mangini doesn’t think quinn can play in the nfl. not that dan is an expert, but that was his thought.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad this wasn’t made up and something I repeated. I’d be curious to hear what people think of this, if true.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can totally see it. the offense was going nowhere with quinn, which meant: losses, no numbers for offensive players, and exhaustion for the defense. remember, the defense didn’t play horribly early…they just played a ton and largely wore down.
with all the hard work the team was putting in — and mangini has worked these guys like crazy — it’s absolutely believable to me that they would revolt against a (project) qb who was literally moving backwards…especially with a guy on the bench who has demonstrated that he can move the ball.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and also…i have no problem w/ mangini acquiescing to the potential revolt (assuming all of this is true, of course). in fact, to me it shows a level of understanding and flexibility that i haven’t seen from him elsewhere. it’s much more important to have 99% of the team behind him than it is to see about quinn.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 14, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should get the players to revolt unless they get a new OC.
by rufio on Oct 14, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, I wonder what the players thought of DA’s all pro performance in Buffalo. This is more of reason to get rid of Quinn, if the players are going to dog Quinn, can’t think he can play, then get rid of him. What is the use for him to be on the Browns.
Funny ten quarters of football and the players say he sucks, or was it in preseason they had there minds made up?
Yep, the Browns locker room is full of 48 coaches. Maybe they should worry about doing there own job.
Interesting news, no source provided.
Get rid of Quinn.
by Grockcubs on Oct 14, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe these professional football player know more about football than you, and maybe all it took was 24 quarters of football to know he was bad.
please stop saying ten quarters, its just an out and out lie. brady quinn was on the browns before this year.
by notthatnoise on Oct 16, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the browns can give tim couch another chance
you browns have had some tough luck with drafting QBs
Soccer is for people to small and wussy for real football
Yankees and Red Sox ...buying your way into playoffs every year
by angryandy on Oct 14, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SYSTEM!
At the end of the day they’re not interchangeable parts (though not extreme as say a Marino vs Young) and we’ve decided to go with the down field passing option.
Let’s go with that.
(For the record anyone know what sort of passers Ratliff & Bartell are?)
by LondonBrown on Oct 14, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff is an Anderson clone.
Bartel is a Jag.
by golanbatrac on Oct 14, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn Trade
Im incline to agree with the Quinn trade. He will not get the opp to start here again and under different circumstances I believe Brady would excell elsewhere so why not get what we can for him now .I believe he is getting a raw deal here in Dawg land so when and where ever he goes I hope he is very successful and it dont come back in the future to haunt us. " GO DAWGS AGAINST STOOLERS"
The True Dawg Fan
by Ridgwaydawg on Oct 14, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Not Troy Smith?
In response to a few of the earlier posts, I think the Browns should inquire about the availability of Troy Smith from the Ravens. Troy has looked pretty good when he has gotten snaps but, with Flacco as the #1 in Baltimore, barring an injury Troy is probably not going to get a shot at playing regularly.
He could bring a spark to the Browns and, in my opinion, would be worth a shot. I don’t know if Baltimore would have an interest in bringing Quinn in as a backup but ……. I’d trade Quinn for Troy in a heartbeat.
by Jeff I on Oct 14, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem
would be why would Baltimore want to get rid of Smith a player they know can be a competent back-up for Quinn to become their back-up when they have Flacco. They would be helping a division rival while (depending on your view of Quinn) decreasing their depth or marginally increasing their depth. I say marginally because Flacco is their starter and Quinn would obviously be brought in as a back-up. I would imagine, for this to be worth anything for the Ravens it would have to involve either other players or some sort of draft compensation.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on Oct 14, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not opposed to getting troy smith, but these would have to be separate moves, the ravens would never do a smith for quinn trade
by notthatnoise on Oct 16, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re exactly right. There is no way they would help us find our starting QB. But I do think Troy Smith can be a good NFL quarteback if he was given the chance. I always wonder what might have happened last year if he hadn’t been sick in training camp and had won the starting QB job ahead of Flacco — would the Ravens offense still have played well last year, or even better?
He was often compared to Drew Brees in college, and I doubt he’ll ever end up with that successful of a career in the NFL, but I think he has enough potential to be given a shot at a starting job somewhere down the road. I would love to see him get the chance with the Browns but I don’t see that happening until he leaves the Ravens. Does anybody know how long his contract is with them?
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i always thought the vikings should make a move for troy (pre-favre, obviously)
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 16, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“There is no way they would help us find our starting QB again”
by rufio on Oct 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t we sign him off waivers?
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Baltimore.
The Ravens needed room to sign WR Patrick Johnson. He gave them 2 catches.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade BQ to KC for Brodie Croyle and a 4/5 pick.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have our own crappy QB’s. We don’t need to trade for any.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 18, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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