Fantasy GM

by OSUMoneyball on Oct 21, 2009 6:03 PM EDT Comment 57 comments

I had some down time today, so to kill time I decided to play Fantasy GM of the Cleveland Browns, for this coming offseason.

Draft:

1st Round: Eric Berry, Russell Okung

2nd Round: Brandon Spikes, Eric Norwood, Terrence Cody , Chad Jones

3rd Round: Colt McCoy, Zac Robinson, Max Hall

4th Round: Jordan Shipley, Kurt Coleman

Eric Berry has been called the next Ed Reed. Brandon Spikes is just a machine. Colt McCoy in the 3rd round would be low risk, high reward. And Jordan Shipley already has his timing down with Colt. Plus, for some reason (I have no proof to back this up) I think Jordan Shipley might be the next Wes Welker.

The other guys are second options; Russell Okung would give our Quarterback, who ever it is, time to make smart choices. At the same time, not giving our Quarterbacks any excuses. Eric Norwood would give us a pass rusher. Terrence Cody reminds me of Shaun Rogers. Chad Jones has just impressed me, and we can use all the help in the secondary we can get. Zac Robinson and Max Hall are more low risk high reward guys. And Kurt Coleman, well I needed to put an Ohio State guy, and he is pretty good.

Free Agents:

QB: Kellen Clemens

RB: LenDale White

DL: Kyle Vanden Bosch

CB: Ellis Hobbs

The 2 main players I would like them to target are Kellen Clemens and Ellis Hobbs, and I think these would also be the most realistic choices. Both are starter material but back ups right now, and will be looking for a place to start. LenDale White and Kyle Vanden Bosch are just players I would also like to see for the Browns that would fill holes that I think the Browns have.

Trade Away:

Derek Anderson and/or Brady Quinn (3rd or 4th Rounder, higher if one of them has a great second half by some miracle)

Jamal Lewis (3rd or 4th Rounder)

Joshua Cribbs (1st if packaged with someone)

Shaun Rogers- only if we get Terrence Cody (2nd or 3rd Rounder)

Cribbs is the player I would be most willing to shop around. That is because he can get the most value. Right now the Browns don’t need a great kick-return man/”Wild Cat” guy. They need an offense that can consistently drive down the field, or a defense that can get more 3 and outs. Once we get one of those then we can start worrying about specialists.

X Factor

Dante Stallworth, what can he do for us or what can he get us. I would like to see him stay. He isn’t an off the field problem guy like Michael Vick or Pac Man Jones. He made a big mistake, he fully admitted and co-operated with officials, and faced his consequences head on. Put him on the field, and see what he can do when healthy, we are going to have to pay for him anyway. Whether he is playing for the Browns or playing for somebody else.

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this is mostly a good post, but there are a few issues. Shaun Rogers is far and away more valuable than cribbs. Pro-Bowl Nose tackles don’t grow on trees, and they play (almost) every down on D. Kick returners are much easier to replace.

Also I’m pretty sure we released Stallworth, but maybe not, someone correct me if i’m wrong.

I do like the draft, but i don’t think McCoy will be around in the third.

by notthatnoise on Oct 21, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think Spikes will make it to round 2.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 21, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way McCoy is still there in the third round, barring an injury before the draft.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 21, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think he’ll fall to the 2nd. clausen (if he declares), bradford (same), and locker are all ranked above him. maybe even pike?

by emily522 on Oct 21, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i could see top of the second round. and i would love to see us take him there.

by notthatnoise on Oct 22, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There’s also Mallett, Pike and Snead are held is as high regard as McCoy (and depending who you talk to, Tebow).

Boils down to that I see a glut of serviceable QBs in the mix of the 2010 draft. The Browns should feel comfortable that at least one of the 10 or so “dropping” to them in the 2nd or 3rd round.

But beware projections. I recall the 3rd or 4th highest rated QB falling into the Browns’ laps in the 3rd round of the ’05 draft. We all saw how well that worked out.*

*Well, not much worse than the number 1 overall, all things considered.

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by setstr8 on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want Ryan Mallet.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 24, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mallett...

I really am liking Mallett too. I feel like we don’t hear as much about him since he had to sit out a year after transferring from Michigan. But from what I saw out of him as a freshman there and what i’ve seen from him this year, he seems pretty legit to me.

by Mr. Barton on Oct 27, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think anyone seriously considers Tebow a first round QB prospect.

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one except those commentators.

by skipkirk on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I honestly don’t see Tebow playing QB in the NFL.

by The naome40 on Oct 27, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He can run the ball, and has a knack for getting that one yard when you need the one yard. I think that’s a skill he can use.

I don’t think he throws well enough to be a QB—certainly not without a year+ on the bench learning how to throw better.

by rufio on Oct 27, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Snead has sucked this season

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was going off the first Mock Draft I saw, they had McCoy going late 3rd round. After reading his draft profile on there it wouldn’t surprise me if he fell to the 3rd round. Spikes on the other hand is a real stretch to get to the 2nd round, but hey Malaluga fell there last year.

And I know that those mock drafts aren’t that dependable, I was just going with the resources I have available to me.

by OSUMoneyball on Oct 21, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i doubt mccoy falls to the 3rd, but robinson and hall will definitely still be there. although that would be nice if we could pick up mccoy then…

i’d like to take eric berry with our first round pick. or maybe suh? only know what i’ve read about him, though. i’ve never actually seen him play.

this wouldn’t happen, but wouldn’t it be sweet to draft mccoy and shipley? that’d be like the DA/braylon of ’07, but maybe even better.

by emily522 on Oct 21, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Suh needs to be on the list of “guys who we really need to consider who will probably be there if we draft in the top 8.” He would be a DE for us.

I would prefer not to spend a top-10 pick on a RT, because its a less valuable position than LT and that would be a lot of money tied up in our line. I think the VORP between a top-10 RT and a later 1st round RT or early 2nd RT wouldn’t be that big.

We absolutely need another guy who can play RG.

If we came away with Berry in the 1st and Cody in the 2nd, I’d poo my pants. There has got to be a team out there that thinks a 370+lbs run stopping machine is worth a 1st rounder.

by rufio on Oct 22, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Also, Jerry Hughes in the 2nd.

by rufio on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow, usually walterfootball.com has good mocks, but they have us take jevan snead in the 2nd round in the most recent one. and this is before colt mccoy and tony pike are taken in the mock. i know it’s a mock, but why would you even predict that when there are way better QBs left?

by emily522 on Oct 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t get too worried about it.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 22, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, i know. i was just surprised someone would even think that the browns would take snead over mccoy or pike.

by emily522 on Oct 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty good analysis, but there is no way Spikes falls to the 2nd round unless his injuries are more severe than people think.

by gahnki on Oct 22, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good analysis. I know I haven’t done as much scouting as you, but both times I’ve seen Eric Berry play, my eyes have popped out of my head. The guy looks pro-ready.

I disagree with a couple of points.

1) No way anyone trades a 3rd rounder for Jamal Lewis

2) To say that Donte Stallworth is not an off the field problem guy beggars belief. Before he killed the guy, he was a member of long standing in the NFL substacnce abuse program.

More importantly as it relates to this discussion – he’s just not a very good player.

by Pruitt on Oct 24, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You might have a shot at the overrated Terrence Cody in the second, but not Spikes.

Why would we want Okung?

No one would trade a 4th for Lewis. NO ONE

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Okung would be a great RT. But the price tag we would have to pay would be way too much.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 27, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He will probably go to a team that wants a LT. Detroit or Kansas City i think

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really don’t think he is physical enough to play RT in our division. Agreed with the price to pay, too.

by rufio on Oct 27, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you see Cody against Tennesee? He is a big, strong, powerful mountain of a man. There just aren’t a whole lot of those guys around.

by rufio on Oct 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 blocked FGs wasn’t it? Crazy.

by skipkirk on Oct 28, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Both blocks had more to do with poor play on Tennessee’s part than anything Cody did. Both kicks were waaay low.

by golanbatrac on Oct 28, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You still have be able to penetrate the line. Not a bad effort on his part.

by skipkirk on Oct 28, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here’s a still from the second block. He didn’t penetrate the line at all. The ball was waaay low.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/BsOtAiTp7kV3ExgSp-KMTg?feat=directlink

by golanbatrac on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He still had a ridiculous game.

by rufio on Oct 30, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A lot of DTs can manhandle a walk-on offensive lineman.

Here is what mocking the draft said about Cody;

“The talk of the college football nation is the play of Alabama defensive tackle Terrence Cody.

Justifiably so. He blocked two kicks, including the game-clincher in the Tide’s 12-10 win over Tennessee. Any time someone blocks two field goals in the fourth quarter it’s an impressive display.

While it’s fine for Tide fans, don’t get carried away thinking about Cody as a draft prospect. He’s strictly a two-down player and gets taken out of the game on obvious passing downs.

Cody also doesn’t seem quite as immovable as everyone thinks. Against South Carolina on Oct. 17 he was pushed around, sometimes even by single blockers. Teams might not run at him, but his gaps can be opened up.

Although you can’t judge a player totally by stats, particularly a defensive tackle, Cody hasn’t registered a tackle for a loss in more than a month.

There will always be weight and stamina issues with Cody as well. He wore down toward the end of the 2008, so the final five or six games Alabama plays will be critical for Cody.

Between now and April, teams will have to decide whether a player who doesn’t play every down is truly worth a first-round pick."

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

MTD isn’t the holy grail of scouting departments by any means. There are only so many men alive that are that big and that strong. I’m not saying he is up there with Suh and Berry, but if he fell to the Browns in the 2nd and I was Kokinis, he’d get a very long look.

by rufio on Oct 30, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know its not the holy grail, but since they had an article about Cody, I just thought I would put it.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we trade Rogers we better be getting Suh.

Just personal opinion, but Cody is not better than Suh.

by skipkirk on Oct 26, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Suh is an absolute monster. He needs to be number 1 or 2 on our board.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not sure about how he will fit into a 3-4 though

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 26, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he’d be a great 3-4 end, kind of like Ngata with the capability to play nose as well. I actually like Suh a lot more than Ngata in terms of a college prospect, never seen a DT so dominant at this level.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like Suh too. If would love to take Cody and switch to a 4-3.

Rogers and Cody would be pretty kick ass against the run.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 27, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ndamukong Suh is a great football name,

by golanbatrac on Oct 27, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And plus Ndamukong means ‘House of Spears’ in some language

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would love if we switched to a 4-3. It allows you to have more playmakers on the line, and it is easier to find players for it because almost every college program runs the 43

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ngata is a nose tackle

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He actually plays DE in the Ravens’ 3-4 package. That’s how quick he is.

I think Suh has many of the qualities Ngata has, but is smaller and faster. Ngata is enormous.

by rufio on Oct 27, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since we’re talking about drafts and all, I wonder what would Corey Williams be worth?

by skipkirk on Oct 27, 2009 5:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not much with that contract.

by golanbatrac on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i saw a mock on mockingthedraft having us take eric berry in the 1st round with the 3rd pick (i think) and then colt mccoy with the 3rd pick in the 2nd round. both these are very logical picks, especially berry. i think it’s actually very likely for colt to fall to us. as of now, locker, bradford, and clausen will all go in the 1st… tebow also if the jags want to be brave (or stupid).

by emily522 on Oct 27, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think mccoy has the tools that we are looking for. one of the biggest complaints about DA is he has no accuracy (ignore the inconsistency for a minute). i’d say almost everyone here knows that mccoy completed 76.7% of his passes last year. that is unreal. i just looked up and he is completing 71.7% this year.

the browns need an accurate quarterback who can take shots down field (…along with completing them) and be smart with the ball. they need a consistent qb. plus, colt mccoy has great leadership and performs well under pressure (see: heartbreaking fiesta bowl vs. osu, 2009). imo, colt mccoy fits all these needs.

i’m sure many will disagree, but i would not complain if we got colt mccoy in the 2nd round.

by emily522 on Oct 27, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry i said “colt mccoy” like 5 times haha

by emily522 on Oct 27, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has all the tools if you think an arm isnt one of the tools. Plus he has looked very bad this year and I think is nothing more than another Graham Harrel

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he has pretty good arm strength.

by emily522 on Oct 27, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No his arm is right with pennington

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

arm strength isn’t the only thing a qb needs. DA has great arm strength but sucks at everything else for the most part. mccoy hasn’t looked bad… he’s been a bit inconsistent. his numbers may look bad compared to last year’s, though. getting him in the early 2nd would mean getting a good prospect for not as much money.

by emily522 on Oct 27, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He hasn’t looked that bad this year. Worse than last year, for sure.

by rufio on Oct 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not a big colt fan either, his arm seems a little suspect to me and he comes from that spread offense that makes average qb’s look great. I don’t know, maybe if he were around in the 3rd round i would take a chance, but with such a high second round pick I would rather see us go after someone else.