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Eric Wright is "OK" After Car Flips Over on Highway

Cleveland Browns CB Eric Wright came out unscathed this morning after his Mercedes "flipped and rolled several times" on the highway. Wright was treated and released at MetroHealth Medical Center. Assuming nothing else develops, Wright will be ready to start in this weekend's game against the Green Bay Packers.

The accident occurred at 2:10 a.m. in the morning. It is suspected that Wright was coming home from a Jay-Z concert at Cleveland State's Wolstein Center. There was no suspicion of drugs or alcohol, and Wright was back at practice this morning.

Other news and notes...

  • Most of the Browns players who have the flu (about 10-12 of them) should be able to play this Sunday against the Packers. Mangini told reported that two of the players tested positive for the H1N1 strain. I'm expecting that someone "important" will sit out this week, like Kamerion Wimbley did last week.
  • Joshua Cribbs should be ready to go this week and could see more reps at the running back position if Jerome Harrison is out with the flu. Phil Dawson might return to action, although Billy Cundiff is still on the team's roster.
  • The lack of updates haven't been a sign of disappointment after the Steelers game, I promise! I'm still trying to get Internet restored at my house; I expect it to be back for the weekend. I'll try to still have a condensed review of the loss to the Steelers; anyone else that can assist with a piece (fanpost) regarding some topic, please do!

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2:10 AM

ok, I work for a bank and don’t stay up until 2:10 AM when I have to work the next day. This guy gets paid millions in the NFL and he is out at concerts wrecking his car at 2am when he has practice the next day? It just shows the players lack of commitment to the team and becoming a winning organization. It’s also insulting as a loyal fan.

by lost dog on Oct 23, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

And fail on the first line. Completely disagree.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Right on brother.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braylon’s problem was not the fact that he went out to a night club. His problem is that he was a giant douchebag.

hahahah!

by emily522 on Oct 23, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look the guy was out late, he has that right. Coach Mangini said there is no cerfew in place. Wright was not drinking, and appearentl not speeding since the police did not ticket him for the accident. give the guy some credit, he rolled his car and was at practice the next day. i would have taken a day off or something, but that is toughness and commitment.

by holmes213 on Oct 23, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players stay up late all the time. That has nothing to do with his performance on the field or his abilities as a football player. It does not show a lack of commitment to the team. It is not insulting to the fans. This is a very stupid thing to get upset about.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, agree, agree, and agree

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That has nothing to do with his performance on the field

Disagree. Getting proper rest is supremely important for athletes, especially football players who are bound to have bumps and bruises/nagging minor injuries.

Wrights sleep habits matter. Going out one night for a Jay-Z concert, however, will not completely destroy his ability to recover. Also, Friday night’s sleep is the most important before a Sunday game, so he even picked a solid day to go out.

I would be disappointed if this were a habitual thing, especially if he didn’t have the option to sleep in due to early practices, but it sounds pretty isolated to me.

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course getting a good night of sleep matters the night or two before the game, but this was on a Monday night so that’s why I said it would not affect his performance on the field. Yes, if he did this every night then it would be a problem.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm…
I think that’s a fairly harsh criticism. I work a day job as well, and on occasion go out to concerts or what have you during the week, maybe even Monday night football at Cleveland stadium when I live in Columbus. Now if it were proven that he was blasted on alcohol I might agree with you more, as he would be deliberately putting himself in danger but, c’mon….He’s a young dude, like 24, and I don’t believe he must be a slave to his profession any more than anyone else should be.

by jill29 on Oct 23, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a feeling that Royal is one of the guys with "swine" flu. We did sign Gaines the same day that two of our players were confirmed with "H1N1".

And I have to say, in my own opinion, that "swine" flu is a load of shit. DON’T let the government inoculate you. Just stay home, rest, over the counter medicine, orange juice, etc. and you’ll be fine. I know several people that have beat it without getting shots. Those shots are jacked and can seriously mess you up.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I love the swine Flu. Pork has never been cheaper.

by golanbatrac on Oct 23, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? lol

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Swine flu is to the regular flu, as Diet Dr. Pepper is to regular Dr. Pepper.

Taste more like the original.

by Simmsinns on Oct 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

those shots aren’t any different than a normal flu shot. The inoculation is just dead and weakened viruses. It lets your immune system develop anti-bodies without actually getting swine flu. Of course, just like a normal flu shot, there’s a chance you will get a little sick from it.

Also, you said several people beat it without the shot. Of course they did. The shot isn’t a cure if you already have it, it prevents you from getting it in the first place. Swine flu is exactly the same as normal influenza, the only difference was we had a lot of trouble coming up with a vaccine, so it was able to spread really fast and possibly kill the same people threatened by the normal flu, such as the elderly and infirm. If you aren’t old and you have a healthy immune system H1N1 isn’t any worse than the normal flu, in fact in most cases its not as bad.

please stop spreading fear. the government is not inoculating you, doctors are. the shot isn’t any different from a normal seasonal flu shot.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is all correct.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 23, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

My doctor friends tell me it is basically normal flu for most people, but not everyone. Pregnant women, in particular, seem to experience an increase in negative outcomes.

by APV on Oct 23, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t talk about the swine flu on here.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your comment wasn’t deleted for mentioning swine flu; it was deleted for all the political comments you made.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just gunna keep my mouth shut until Sunday. I don’t want to be banned from this site. I like you guys.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats because their immune system is weakened by the pregnancy. It would be the same for normal flu.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pregnancy weakens the immune system, as a lot of the body’s resources are dedicated to the baby, so any illness is going to have a bigger affect on a pregnant woman.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops, that first one didn’t show up before, my bad.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, its actually easier for swine flu to infect people with strong immune systems, but it doesn’t affect them any worse than the normal flu. Because its attracted to healthy people instead of weak people, its able to infect more people.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm…no.

Older people are showing greater levels of resistance to H1N1 than younger people because they have more robust immune systems.

by golanbatrac on Oct 23, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

….as the older folks have probably been exposed to similar flu variants over the course of their lives already. Babies have lesser immunity and exposure to every flu variant.

(And I wasn’t going to get into the paranoia over flu shots here, but I guess I’m glad someone did.)

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 23, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

DON’T let the government inoculate you.

Oh please. There is no “government” (in the sense you are using it) — our government is many seperate bodies which operate independently from each other. Please stop this fearmongering.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i mean, there really is a separate strain of flu, and if you like to get a flu shot, this year you should get two.

That said, I think the media has blown it out of proportion. Any flu is a very serious illness and always kills hundreds of people every year in this country. The swine flu doesn’t seem too much different.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this Mangini quote from the PD about Wright and other players (possibly) being at the Jay-Z concert:

“They didn’t invite me,‘’ he said. "I like Jay-Z.’’

Who says Mangini doesn’t have a sense of humor!

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

haha thats actually really funny, i can just imagine mangini singing “99 Problems”

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mangini’s got 99 problems but a QB controvery ain’t onereceiving TE ain’t one…Braylon Edwards ain’t one

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Oct 23, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Jay-Z did write a song about Tom Izzo — maybe Eric Mangini will be next!

(Note: I am aware that the song isn’t actually about Tom Izzo)

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also wrote a song to lure Lebron to NYC

by Roger Dorn on Oct 23, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

….but it’s going to be a fail!

by emily522 on Oct 23, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

blow the whistle… an instant classic…

by thelonius7 on Oct 23, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

'instant classic' is truly an oxymoron.

In other words, there really is no such thing (IMO).

The glass is more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Oct 24, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

and then sold the team to the russkies!

by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 23, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can only hope he lightens up over time, which if we had more wins already would have happened.

by Red-Right-88 on Oct 23, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Where in the world?

Where was Davis’ accident? Was it anywhere near Wrights’…if so the team may not need a curfew but they may need a detour!

by blockersave93 on Oct 23, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

i would bet they were in different places. Davis was on his way to the practice facility, Wright was on his way home.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was a kid, when someone got the measles or chicken pox, sometimes the neighbors would send their kids over to get exposed so it would run through the neighborhoods at the same time and everyone would be over and done with it. Maybe the Browns should have done that last week. Once all our players are immune, we strike! Some infected towels sent to the Bears and we might have the advantage we need!

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Oct 23, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

We probably have infected towels already….dont forget all the staph infections, now mix in H1N1 and aaaiiieeeee…..

Somewhere Ratliff is warming up….

by Red-Right-88 on Oct 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

at the risk of making a terribly offensive joke, maybe we could send those towels to the redskins

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

boooooooooooooooooooooooo

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chris just sent me a warning and deleted my last post.
I even apologized for bringing politics on the thread. Still censored, but no one else was.

America is dead. No more speaking your mind, we can’t have that. You must conform.

Sorry Chris, I’ll be a good boy and only talk about the Browns.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris didn’t warn you, I did. You can’t apologize for mentioning politics then go off on a long diatribe about politics — that pretty much overrules your apology. It has nothing to do with conformity or not being able to speak your mind — you can certainly do that, but this is just not the forum for that. This is a football blog and we want to keep away from political discussions for the obvious reasons. There are plenty of other forums where you can voice your opinions.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of wish I could have seen his deleted post, but I guess its for the best we leave politics alone on here.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the right rule. As soon as you introduce politics into a web forum, the website would quickly lose track and half of the discussion would be angry debates about it. Take that stuff elsewhere.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only brought up the Swine flu because it’s effecting the Browns. Otherwise I wouldn’t have said anything.
No worries here, but get off your high-horse Adolph. You don’t run this show.
"OMG Someone’s talking about swine flu. I have to report him".
Get real man.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again, it’s not about swine flu. Please don’t make me say it again.

And thanks for the Hitler comparison. Much appreciated.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t tell if this guy is trolling or not.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

My post had everything to do with swine flu. It was the MAIN point. If you don’t like it, you can ignore it. That’s what great about free speech. You have the choice of WALKING AWAY from something you disagree with. But you don’t try to pull authority and block speech. That’s just lame.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free speech does not grant you the right to say whatever you want whenever you want wherever you want.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 23, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually it does. You’re talking about Morals.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he’s talking about the difference between public and private property. This website is private property. Just like in the real world, the property owners (and their representatives) have every right to tell you to take it elsewhere.

by golanbatrac on Oct 23, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, you’re right. I take what I said back. Certain situation have different rules. And I respect that.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it doesn’t. You can’t yell “Fire” in a public building when there isn’t one. That’s just one example.

Anyways, this is a private business and the moderator makes the rules. He’s allowed to delete whatever comments he chooses.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free speech enables you to speak at out public gatherings, if you have the gutts. It does not mean you´re free to insult, slander and belittle other people. Once again what is not stated, but common sense, is a mark of an intelligent community.

by mooncamping on Oct 24, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

This isn’t your blog. We have rules here. If you want to say anything you want then start your own blog. That’s how free speech works.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re taking this way too serious, which is even lamer.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rules are rules. It’s like that on every SB Nation blog. No political discussion allowed, and you went way over the line.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW. Over the line? ONE post and you have a fit. Relax. I won’t do it again, like I already stated.
I’m done with this conversation "Brad".

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t have a fit. You’re the one getting all upset about this.

It doesn’t matter if it was one comment or twenty — NO political discussion. Why is that so difficult to understand?

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, once again, you compared me to a mass murderer. If that’s not the worst kind of personal attack then I don’t know what is. I’m the one who should be upset.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let it go . I already apologized.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No you didn’t. Not to me, at least.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I apologize. I didn’t mean to offend you or anyone else in any way.
I like you and read your posts.
I’m going out of town right now, so have a good weekend and enjoy the game on Sunday.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No you didn’t.

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why was my Hitler comment deleted? I meant it in the most genuine of ways.

Yes, he was a mass murderer. But he WAS a genius. He took over a Continent and a half.

I was trying to take the spin he was complimenting you.

Yes weak, but no reason to be deleted.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why was my Hitler comment deleted? I meant it in the most genuine of ways.

Yes, he was a mass murderer. But he WAS a genius. He took over a Continent and a half.

I was trying to take the spin he was complimenting you.

Yes weak, but no reason to be deleted.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the double posting.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think about it for a bit, you will figure it out.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 26, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand it, I just thought the reason for deletion was weak. But then again, so was my joke and also Chris probably didn’t understand the reason behind it. Nor did he probably care regardless.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity (having not been here this time last year), how was this handled when Quinn and Thomas were stumping for McCain and there were rumors of a fractured locker room.

by golanbatrac on Oct 23, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said “McCain”. I must report you now!!!!

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should say ignored and didn’t care.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 23, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your just a kid. No one’s talking to you.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, NOT ment for you Dorn.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 23, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that comment directed at me, then?

by golanbatrac on Oct 23, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was never discussed on this site.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to be clear. . . you compared me to a mass murderer and one of the worst human beings in history because I deleted one of your comments from a blog.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And spelled his name incorrectly at the same time.

Where is the respect in this world?

by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 23, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, Hitler? Cmon.

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

who else should have been censored, and for what?

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I am glad to hear that Wright wasn’t hurt.

Sounds like the Browns could use a limo service.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 23, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe someone can verify this for me, but i think the NFL has a service that you can call in any NFL city that will give you a ride home, no questions asked. It was started to reduce the number of DUIs given out to players.

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

if true…thats pretty sweet

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Oct 23, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember hearing about it during all the stallworth stuff, people were saying he just should have done that instead of driving himself

by notthatnoise on Oct 23, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. Sounds like a Navy town.

If that’s the case, maybe we should just get the team some destroyers on defense and some carriers on offense. Maybe that would get some wins.

by JustBob on Oct 23, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this really matter?

Its sad that Eric Wright has a better chance of flipping his car and being OK than he actually does at, oh I dont know, covering a receiver.

by Mark23 on Oct 23, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s harsh. Wright is a fine football player.

by skipkirk on Oct 23, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wright is actually a very good cornerback.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 23, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would like to see some tackling improvement, but his cover skills have been very good.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 24, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

He only tackles like McDonald 2 or 3 times a game.
If he improves that to 0 times a game this season, I wouldn’t have any beef with his play.

by tribe71 on Oct 24, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wright is a good CB. I would get rid of every other CB on the roster before him, and I am confident he would not be the weak link on a super bowl team, certainly not if he only had to be the 2nd corner.

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think rufio has a point when he says modern NFL cornerback play is less physical than it used to be, or in my opinion should be. If that is the premise, than Eric Wright has been playing it right.
What´s hard to ascertain if he´s been evading tackling however, is whether he has a penchant for contact, the proverbial knack.
What I´m saying is, if we try him at free safety he might display tackling skills. If we keep him at cornerback, under the current requirements of the position, while everyone else in the NFL is starting to covet bigger more physical cornerbacks, he will go out of style. We will end up being trend getters not setters, and you will see big physical cornerback will become a draft need in the 2010 draft.

by mooncamping on Oct 24, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Modern NFL rules prevent CBs from being as physical as you’d like them to be. They can bump their WR for only 5 yards, and then they have to be able to run in order to cover.

Against the run, sure, Wright could be more physical, but everyone on our team outside of Shaun Rogers could be more physical against the run.

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are just confusing you with those rules. They don’t really exist. Believe it at your own peril.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 24, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How the heck does one flip a car? He musta hit something or lost control of the car.
Hope he’s alright.

by skipkirk on Oct 23, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

swerving to avoid deer?

by rufio on Oct 24, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hope that deer’s alright.

by skipkirk on Oct 24, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why? If you hit a deer it’s free meat.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lost control, from what KNR reported.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 24, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hit an exit ramp going 60+

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The medical staff is liable if the guys that contracted H1N1 virus aren´t reconvalesced.
Eric Wright could have whiplash, he´s also a risk to start.

by mooncamping on Oct 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope we see more Cribs in as a RB we should be looking back and use him how we use to use Metcalff.IMO he would fit right into that role alot of motion to get him out of the backfield with LB trying to keep up with him he could run wild or use him on sweeps and counters.

by Brownsfan4ever on Oct 25, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

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