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Quarterback Characteristics According To Dungy

I like to watch the show "Football Night in America" on NBC. This year they added Tony Dungy to their staff and he has a great way of explaining football (which might explain a lot of his success as a coach). This week he did a feature on Quarterbacks attempting to characterize what makes a Starter or Elite QB. He used Matt Ryan as an example. Here is how he broke it down:

Starter Characteristics
Intelligence – Ability to read a defense and find exploitable weakness, pick the hot route, manage the game, deceive the defense. Most of this takes place before the snap.
Poise Under Pressure – Ability to sense pressure, keep eyes down field even when hurried, not to panic.
Accuracy – Ability to put the ball on target where it can give the receiver the best play on the ball (either short or long)

Elite Characteristics
Mobility – Ability to use his legs to buy time in or out of the pocket.
Arm Strength – As this gets better the field gets longer and the vertical game becomes more of a threat.
Touch – Ability to either loft the ball over a defender’s head on the run or drill it 15 yards between defenders as the situation demands.

I think it is interesting how he divided these up as if to say you need the first three to even have a chance in the NFL. Add one or more of the next three and you could achieve greatness and really make an impact for your team.
It is also interesting to take those characteristics and attempt to rank our QBs against them…

Intelligence – it doesn’t seem that either of our QBs have exhibited this so far this year. Though Quinn seems to have an edge here based on what you hear from pundits, I can’t say that I’ve seen a lot of evidence for it. Can this one be taught or is it in-born? I’d say Anderson has made progress in this area since he first started but in the last 18 months I’m not too sure.
Poise Under Pressure – Quinn seemed better at this last year than this year. Anderson has exhibited more poise this year.
Accuracy – This is a tough one as we haven’t seen a lot of Quinn… I don’t think he has played enough to develop communication with his receivers and learn where they are supposed to be. I think this is an area which we can mark with a big ? for Quinn. Anderson doesn’t put the ball in the exact ideal place but we have seen a lot of balls bounce off of hands, knees and chests this year. Do you think interceptions by Anderson have been the result of inaccuracy or just plain bad decisions?

Mobility – I’d give the nod to Quinn here but I’m not so sure that Quinn knows when to be mobile. He doesn’t use mobility to buy him time at this point. I think this is another thing that will end up improving with experience. For Anderson, he uses small movement to buy time but he isn’t going to streak around the end for big yards like Quinn might.
Arm Strength – Quinn is thought to be weaker here though some might argue this. I’d put it more like Anderson has the stronger arm and leave it at that. The question instead may be: is Quinn’s arm strong enough to make all the throws?
Touch – Anderson used to be terrible at this but there has been some improvement. Quinn exhibits good touch as much as we’ve seen but again, more play for Quinn could end up showing more of a difference here.

So I’m interested in other’s opinions here. The other side of this whole thing might be looking at potential QB draft picks next year in this light… though I’d have no idea having only seen highlights of most of them. Bradford seems to be accurate, poised, mobile… not sure about the rest. Maybe others can fill in here. I thought this was an interesting way to look at QBs.

Chris... I posted this under the "Shoulder Injury" fanpost.  Someone suggested I make it a fan post because of the length.  Can you delete it there?

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BQ isn’t going to streak around end for big yards. The mobility test is about buying time in the backfield so a receiver can break open. This quality does one not much good unless the starter qualities are all there.

by elsandito on Oct 24, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Starter characteristics: DA 0/3, Quinn 0/3
Elite characteristics: DA 1/3 (arm), Quinn 1/3 (Touch)

That speaks to the feeling many have about both, they both seem to have potential to be good QBs but haven’t (or can’t) execute the basics of being an NFL starter.

by danvail on Oct 24, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quinn: TBD
Quinn: TBD

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Oct 25, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s impossible to say Quinn has elite touch given his poor completion percentages thus far in his career.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 25, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

repost from the other thread:

Good post.

Like I’ve said before, I don’t think its productive to compare DA and Quinn anymore.

The question isn’t which has better accuracy or intelligence or poise, it’s if either have these qualities to qualify as a starting or elite (hehe) NFL QB.

In this light, I think you’ve been a little kind to our guys. Quinn has the intelligence, maybe and reportedly, but he had no poise whatsoever this year. Until that comes back, nothing else matters. He may have a little mobility and touch, but I’m not convinced of his accuracy or arm strength- and more importantly, I don’t think HE is convinced of these things. Anderson has the arm strength and I think he has a little poise. But I doubt his intelligence and his accuracy and touch are laughable.

Going by your/Dungy’s thought that you have to have the first three as a foundation- I think both these guys just don’t make that basic cut.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been a fan of keeping DA in this season because I thought he gave the Browns the better chance at winning, but his inaccuracy and lack of touch is debilitating, even if he has the arm to get the ball down field. I think it’s clear he’s not the starter for the medium or long term.

The only question now is whether BQ has any of the first three characteristics. His intelligence is questionable in that it seemed to me that he either didn’t go through all his reads quickly enough and defaulted to his outlet valve – usually the RB 4 yards away – or, he did make the reads and opted – consistently incorrectly – for the RB 4 yards away. His poise under pressure was lacking, especially compared to his opportunities last year. His accuracy is there on the dump offs and screens, and in this area he is superior to DA, but if he either refuses to throw down field or can’t see when a receiver is beginning to find separation, it doesn’t matter if he can throw a 4 yard ball.

In conclusion, we now know that DA (sadly) is who a majority of you, myself not included, thought he was. BQ should start the rest of the season so that we can ascertain whether he has the tools to develop into an NFL caliber QB at all so that by the 2011 draft – not 2010 – we’ll know whether we need to use a pick on a QB or not.

by chitown browns fan on Oct 26, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you can say Quinn has the intelligence or not. Where are his great reads? Check downs don’t make you smart and deep donkey bombs don’t make you dumb.

by joeee on Oct 26, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on this.

But I also have to think out load about how much of the issues with both QB is because of people getting in there heads with “Quinn don’t have the arm to throw deap” or the “Anderson has no accuracy when throwing the ball” and them hearing it so much that now they think this as well.

by Brownsfan4ever on Oct 25, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know why exactly, but it think that affects quinn a lot more than anderson

by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post, Brownsyup.

Restating from the other thread following this, I don’t think that either DA or BQ has shown enough basic competence in these areas this year to make me think we’re not looking for a new starting QB next year.

It’s easier to point to ‘incomplete’ or ‘may improve’ grades on BQ’s report card, though. It seems more believable to me that BQ might have capabilities we haven’t seen or haven’t provided the game time to help develop yet, than it is expect DA to fundamentally change his game at this late date.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BQ

I have a bad feeling he’ll be reasonably successful for another team.

Given a completely level playing field I’d prefer a deeper passer to play off the running game rather than a touch passer that the running game plays off.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so far BQ has looked a lot like charlie frye, and we all know how well he’s doing with another team.

by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think BQ has an arm ive seen it when he was with ND i just think hes either not allowed to or our O-line has not been top notch either thats for sure!!!…overall BQ should be in there no matter how bad it gets he didnt even really get a chance

by gobrownsgobucks on Oct 27, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

trust me its not the o-line. Anderson and quinn have the same line, and anderson gets to display his arm plenty. also, you can’t tell me quinn has an arm anywhere near as strong as DA, and thats what people mean when they say a strong arm.

I do however agree that quinn needs to get back in there, just not for a few weeks

by notthatnoise on Oct 28, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need to draft a QB and stat!!! its as simple as that we have played alot of good games with teams in the past few years and what we always just fall short on is the QB situation always!

by gobrownsgobucks on Oct 27, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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