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Green Bay Packers vs. Cleveland Browns - Official Game Thread

Green Bay Packers at Cleveland Browns, Oct 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT


A little over two months ago, the Cleveland Browns kicked off their preseason with a game against the Green Bay Packers. When QB Aaron Rodgers tore the Browns' defense apart, we could attribute it at the time to an "off day", and our offensive struggles could be blamed on "not wanting to show too much." At 1-5, I don't think either of those statements were true as we head into this week's contest against the Packers.

GREEN BAY PACKERS (3-2) WEEK 7 CLEVELAND BROWNS (1-5)
VS.
Date: October 25, 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH
Time: 1:00 p.m. ET
Stadium: Browns Stadium
TV: FOX
Favorite: Packers by 6½
Radio: WTAM, 1100 AM Over/Under: 43½
SBN Coverage: Acme Packing Company
Announcers
Ron Pitts,
John Lynch

 

Considering the Browns were facing a more popular team in the Green Bay Packers, I expected FOX to provide our game with a better announcing crew. I guess I shouldn't have expected that when we're up against the Vikings/Steelers game at the same time on FOX, so for the second week in a row, we get a "Z" crew for the announcing duties.

Let's start off this week's preview with the overall team statistics heading into Week 7...

OFFENSE

Category Packers
Browns
Points Scored 26.0 (8th) 11.5 (30th) = Push
Passing 258.4 (10th) 136.2 (31st) = Push
Rushing 101.2 (19th) 103.7 (18th) = -2
Total Offense (yards) 359.6 (10th) 239.8 (31st) = Push

 

DEFENSE

Category Packers
Browns
Points Scored 18.6 (9th) 24.7 (26th) = -3
Passing 192.6 (10th) 242.0 (23rd) = -13
Rushing 105.4 (16th) 165.3 (30th) = +2
Total Defense (yards) 298.0 (8th) 407.3 (32nd) = -3

GREEN BAY PACKERS Position CLEVELAND BROWNS
Rodgers will pick us apart, perhaps more than Roethlisberger did last week, if we cannot get pressure on him early and often.
- QB
As an outsider, it must seem absurd that Anderson's starting job seems "safe" when you look at his stats from the past two weeks.
I've been surprised at the lack of carries for the backup running backs. After Ryan Grant, the next highest RB rusher has six carries.
- RB - With the Browns' season-long struggles in the passing game, Jamal Lewis will likely get quite a bit of carries with better production than last week.
Is it somewhat of a surprise that Greg Jennings has not had a more productive season than Donald Driver at this point?
- WR
It's Brian Robiskie's time, hopefully. When everyone else drops the ball, what excuse is there for not playing him?
Left tackle Chad Clifton won't play this week, meaning rookie fourth-rounder T.J. Lang will get his first start. Starting center Jason Spitz will also miss his second straight game.
-
OL - Rex Hadnot returned in limited action last week, which provides the Browns with the ability to rotate more on the offensive line.
The Packers aren't a serious threat at getting pressure; it's hard to believe that Cullen Jenkins will beat Joe Thomas.
- DL
Corey Williams returns to face his former team. Has he been saving his finest performance for his former team?
(Doubt it)
LB Clay Matthews hasn't been starting, but he had a big game last week: 5 tackles, 2 sacks, and a pass deflected.
- LB
I'm disappointed that D'Qwell Jackson is the player we have to lose at this unit. Hopefully Kaluka Maiava or David Veikune see playing time instead of Jason Trusnik.
Al Harris and Charles Woodsen might not be in their prime any more, but they are still a solid combination and will pick off Anderson often if he continues to make errant throws. -
DB
Assuming Mangini still won't play Coye Francies, we really can't afford to bench Brandon McDonald with nobody else worthy on the roster to replace him. (Again, why'd we cut Hood?)
The team's longest kick return of the season is 46 yards. Mason Crosby is 11-of-13 on kicks this season.

ST - Kicker Phil Dawson probably won't play again. *sigh* At least Joshua Cribbs is always there for a highlight.

The Packers, statistically, are much better than the Browns are. Their defense has been suspect at times though, giving up 31 points to the Bengals and 30 points to the Vikings, both of which were losses. Green Bay was prepared for the Lions after their bye week though, destroying them 26-0 a week ago. Anderson and the offense will play one of the team's most exciting games of the season this week at home, but fall on the losing end of a shootout. Don't make fun of me for the amount of points I'm giving the Browns; it merely falls in line with the shootout prediction!

The weather today is supposed to be very pleasant though at about 59 degrees!

FINAL PREDICTION: Green Bay Packers 34, Cleveland Browns 28.
CHRIS' RECORD IN PICKING BROWNS GAMES: 5-1
CHRIS' OVERALL NFL PREDICTIONS RECORD: 67-23

This is the official gameday thread for the Cleveland Browns in Week 7 as they take on the Green Bay Packers. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!

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I probably would have given the edge to the Packers at RB and the edge to the Browns on OL.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 25, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Phil Dawson and Steve Heiden are ruled out, so they will be two of our inactives.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

The Cleveland Browns taking on The Cleveland Browns?

Epic.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Eye…does that mean we can’t lose?

by Uriah33 on Oct 25, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’re our own worst enemy?

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I pretty much ignored all of the grumbling early in the off season about Mangini bringing in so many Jets players, but if we see more of Stuckey and Trusnick than Robiski and Maiava/Veikune I’m going to scream. There is no reason with the season so squarely in the toilet already to withhold playing time for our rookies. And on those grounds I would say get Francies on the field as well.

by JustBob on Oct 25, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been thinking for a while that there’s a certain schizophrenia on Magini’s part over whether to field the best team available and look for wins or at least competitiveness, or to give the whole season over to player development. Even at 1-5 I think this dissonance is there. The BQ benching might be one case of this, but there are many more examples around….

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, where can one find a list of gameday active/inactive players?

by JustBob on Oct 25, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Browns declared TE Steve Heiden, K Phil Dawson, TE Robert Royal, CB Coye Francies, RB Chris Jennings, third QB Brett Ratliff, OL Billy Yates, and CB Gerard Lawson inactive for Week 7

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Chris. Is there a link to that info available somewhere on a regular basis?

by JustBob on Oct 25, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually check out KFFL for the latest:

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. Thanks again.

by JustBob on Oct 25, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

NM. I just found it on the Browns site under the News link.

by JustBob on Oct 25, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or that. KFFL usually searches all the team websites and then aggregates them together on their page.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Francies

What’s Francies’ story? Why can’t he even get activated?

by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad to see that Corey Williams is good to go. He’s been pretty good this year.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Francies again?!

Great, more Brandon McDonald…

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

One more question on this. How soon before the game do the teams have to list their inactives?

by JustBob on Oct 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Green Bay Packers have declared RB Ahman Green, OT Chad Clifton, OG Evan Dietrich-Smith, DL Jarius Wynn, WR Jordy Nelson, FB Korey Hall, OT Mark Tauscher, SS Matt Giordano inactive for Week 7.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have rodgers and driver on my fantasy team, so i want them to do well. but at the same time, i obviously want the browns to win. so if rodgers could throw a few TDs and driver could make some good catches, while the browns still win… that would be nice :)

i hope we see more of robo today.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

if the defense can play well and the receivers can drop less passes, they may have a chance.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s Go Brownies!!

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

game coverage

I am in Indiana and stupid Fox is showing the Vikings game instead to the Browns game, is there anyway I can watch the game online somewhere?

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m hoping to listen on www.wtam.com . You might try that.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

. .and for the browns. . .SHUT UP AND WIN

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That will likely be blocked during the game.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazingly enough, it appears to be working so far.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

awsome! thanks for the link.

Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.

by doggrad87 on Oct 25, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many thanks for this link, NMD. Worked for me right to the (bitter) end. Hoping to hear the postagame next, to lick some wounds.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

good start… out of bounds kick

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll never turn down help through the incompetence of the opposition. But really, is this that bad? It’s probably the same field position as a Cribbs return.

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it. This is on Massaquoi

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Jamal Lewis is an embarrassment.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

if he falls, cj spiller in the early 2nd round. he’s about 60% of clemson’s offense. can run and catch.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You want an all Clemson backfield w/Davis and Spiller?

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m a clemson fan, so i watch a ton of games. they called the spiller-davis combination “thunder and lightening”. it was awesome. but most likely, spiller will go in the late 2nd round.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops i meant late 1st.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I refuse to talk so specifically about the draft before the season is over. Too much can happen between now and then, it is ridiculous. I know you love to, but don’t expect me to respond.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, sorry. i’m just thinking out loud, i guess.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, its cool. Just sayin..

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, jamal is not going to do crap.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

2nd and 17, Lewis runs up the middle for no gain, gotta love the call.

by Browns town on Oct 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

what a productive first possession.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

at least we didn’t turn it over

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Anderson is 1/1. Yahoo!

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

NM Dawg...

Where in NM are you? I’m down in Las Cruces. Go Browns!

by Browns town on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albuquerque. Enjoy the game!

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always nice to see a fellow Browns fan so far from Ohio.

by Browns town on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Yuk, defense needs to make a play.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

been sayin that most of the year

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

“Robaire Smith…a free agent brought in from Tennessee this year.”

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s pretty awful. But I’m listening to the radio feed, and one of the WTAM announcers seems drunk. Reminds me of the guys in “Major League”

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wouuld be Doug Dieken. I really like him. I miss listening to him.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha… I don’t understand how some tv guys can seem so unprepared for the games they are doing.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Too early to see we have crappy announcing yet again?

by Browns town on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Safetys are really late to get into run support.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

is furrey a safety or CB when he’s on defense?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone catch who is starting at ILB for DQ?

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

he does seem drunk. . .JUUSSTTT a bit outside. . .lol

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

just a tip- try the reply button.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

(and the referee signals first down)

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

/sarc

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

are we going to have deja vu?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn’t get it!!!!!!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

FIRST DOWN BROWNS!

worried about a challenge.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

must be different refs this week cuz that looked like a first to me

by The Brown Note on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta respect this D. If only the offense would match in their level of effort.

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

is there a lot of wind? crosby’s pretty reliable from 40+ yards. i’m surprised they didn’t try a FG.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

They had moved the ball with ease on every play. That was there first negative play, so I wasn’t surprised they went for it.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Browns got lucky, considering how that drive was going.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Estandia

Where did this guy come from????

Looks like he has nice size- 6’8" on a TE can only be a good thing.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought we picked him up when we cut Rucker.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any good? Or was Rucker so bad/ too Crennel-Savaged?

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know, he may have gotten it. very close, though.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish I could watch

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wow i didn’t even realize they were challenging it…

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

there is a good waste of a time-out lol

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Find a good livestream, but it’s about 2-3 minutes behind the live game. So my comments will be sparse. Don’t want to ruin it for myself.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that one of those where you have to have streamtorrent?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know what that means. But I use TVU or Sopcast for UFC fights. So that might be an option if you can find the channel.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I can’t do that b/c I am on a Mac. Right? I feel like I tried to do that last year but couldn’t.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think someone at the OBR watercooler posted a link to some sort of streamtorrent/sopcast site for Browns games. Maybe.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, Macs. Another thing I don’t know about.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Download a Linux Live CD.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Challenging the spot of the ball is one of the hardest things to win.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting to see Gaines (TE) in there.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Couldn’t see where the ball was. INCONCLUSIVE!!

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

again, jamal isn’t going to do crap. is harrison out today?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope. Harrison had a catch on the first possesion.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok thanks. i have to do homework while i watch the game so i can’t pay a ton of attention haha.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is becoming one of my favorites

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’ll be real good in a couple years

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

MOMASS!!! and a facemask!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Are our WRs actually getting open, or can DA just throw accurately today?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

WIDE OPEN… and they are catching the ball, which is nice.

DA is 5/5, but only cause his one incompletion was called back for offensive PI

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are moving the ball? We are moving the ball!!!!

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Derek Anderson has taken a little bit off his throws and its paying off thus far.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus, he’s had all day to throw.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eligible linemen….finally doing something creative.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

quick first quarter

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Goes much faster with so few incomplete passes

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the home team QB needs to cover his ears to hear the playcall, the fans should learn to shut up.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m thinking that is what lead to the timeout.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were probably drunk and excited that we are actually moving the ball.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

none of our WRs have a TD catch this year.

prediction: DA to MoMass for a TD.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Edwards and MoMass both had TDs taken from them on replays.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

well a standing TD then

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, just sayin- they have been close before.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, just sayin- they have been close before.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i get what you mean. sadly, it’s not going to happen on this drive.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh thank god they got it back. how did he get that back?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

That was DA’s fault, the ball was in his hands.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I just bought access to all of the Browns’ game film from 08 and 09 at NFL.com. Maybe now I can help figure out what we aren’t doing right.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I look forward to you spending your time on this.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look forward to you spending your time on this.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look forward to not doing schoolwork. DBN: making procrastination easy.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree. i’m supposed to be doing ap government homework now ;)

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are in High School?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, high school senior.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You show it a lot less than BQIB. No offense, BQIB.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

oh, well thanks haha

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

who the hell was that too?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

to*

time for cundiff!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donnovan said it was a zone blitz with a lineman dropping in to coverage. Sounds like something DA wouldn’t see.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furey, but Harrison was wide open in the flat.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and then get the safety…

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

How has Mack looked?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

B/c I remember hearing about him struggling against Raji at the senior bowl.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven’t noticed… which is probably a good thing for Mack. DA’s had time and most of the runs have been off guard- usually to the side where Fraley is lined up as TE.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, wow. when it hit the side i was like… are you kidding me?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody got a radio link? JustinTV says the max for “my country” has been reached…

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by kwoog on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

“WTAM is unable to broadcast Cleveland Browns football online due to NFL restrictions.”

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by kwoog on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering if I was the only one getting that.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s 2:40 am, I should probably go to sleep anyway…

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by kwoog on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only thing I can figure is that if you have the livestream going before 1:00 pm, they haven’t learned how to turn it off for those people?

by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or “haven’t learned how to turn it off” ;) ;)

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got it on now. Give it a whirl.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

All this is, is a statement that they can’t broadcast the video feed online.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

just throwing it out there but… GO VIKINGS!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I left GB’s defense on the bench this week in fantasy. Hoping the Browns prove it to be a good decision.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I have GB defense/ST and the Browns Def/ST, I accidentally decided to play the Browns Def/ST this week, and I need a big game from them also…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Kwoog where are you?

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

South Korea

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by kwoog on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gam-sa-hap-nee-da

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by kwoog on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey you win the most remote award then.

Displaced- good point.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey LondonBrown, I’m up at Cambridge right now… glad to see another fan in Britain.

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg Jennings isn’t sneaking up on anyone this year, meaning most targets go to Driver.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Was that a bomb or a break & run?

Where were our safeties/

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

That was Rogers scrambling and the coverage breaking down.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

break and run. Roll out, everyone was covered initially, but a TE slipped out from blocking and wsa open.

I think Pool was caught on the play action and Elam was blocked down the sideline.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who blew the coverage?

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Dammit. Btw, New Mexico friends, I went to St. John’s in Santa Fe. Miss me some green chili.

Okay, enough of all that…

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by kwoog on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Geico commercials.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Theyre getting old….the money stack…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

the gecko > the money stack

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

TEs that can catch?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

notice, not a single pass to Royal yet today…

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm… good call. Thanks.

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs to stay that way, Estandia seems to have decent hands

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Havent seen that since Winslow…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Estandia dropped one last week that we could have used.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it as bad as Royal’s in the Buffalo game?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last drive he drove the length of the field… cut him some slack. He doesn’t need to score every drive.

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

DA ran out of slack a year ago.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has another chance here…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lucky, Browns, now take advantage.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!! A call that goes our way

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to hear Hadnot is back.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

He played a little last week, I think.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

only good thing about that TD was my fantasy team needed it.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like we’re still on the ‘pound the rock on 1st and 2nd every time…’

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright, that’s it. Lewis needs to retire immediately. Just come off the field and quit. There was a huge running lane off tackle, great lead block and Lewis took about 20 minutes to get to the line of scrimmage. Seroiusly, I saw that and thought 5-10 yard gain at least… 1 yard loss?!?!

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

this is why i miss davis.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

harrison needs to start.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you in Dayton and watching the game? Im in Centerville and FOX is showing Pitt/Min…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I live in Columbus now.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

A FB w/a false start? And Jamal Lewis is worthless.

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

anderson’s deep balls are way over or underthrown today.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Remind my geriatric old brain- is RB Davis on IR?

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah. out for the season :(

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a shoulder injury. Some people think he got hurt during a drill where a padded linebacker was told to tackle him at full speed. There was some controversy about it.

He hurt the same shoulder in the game against Minnesota, I believe.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither player was wearing pads. The Browns were cleared of any wrongdoing.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great play to run on.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd and 15? You’re behind, And you run it? Give me a break…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Those idiot draw are driving me insane!

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the Belichek offense all over again.

3rd and 15? Hand the ball to Metcalf.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still a good punt team.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Buggeration. I was saying earlier on another thread how i quite like our 3 RB Trifecta.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

our punt coverage is great

by The Brown Note on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I could live with our Special Teams being slightly less than what they are, if it meant our offense could scored points. For this year at least…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

they need to use the wildcat more on their next possession. lewis isn’t doing crap.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Lewis & Harrison would be better if interchanged more- they’re supposed to be complementary backs.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they keep running like this, our D will be hurting in the 4th Quarter

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

We need to get into the backfield. Where’s Corey?

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

um…. that was a fail.

this only helps my fantasy team, though. but i still hate it.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

wowzers that was shitty

by The Brown Note on Oct 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

rodgers did the same thing to them in preseason

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone watching, what’s the deal with this blown coverage? Twice!

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The radio announcers said we sent a blitz that time and we obviously didn’t get to the QB. That would do it.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

To the QB?? We didn’t the saftey blitz was so late, he was still 5 yards from the line of scrimmage when Rogers threw it right over his head.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean the blitz was so late Elam wasn’t near the line of scrimmage by the time the ball was in the air.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah 2 big TDs to the TEs….. is this salt in the wounds or what?

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, confused myself, must have been so disgusted with the 19yd pass to TE Lee the play before!

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, at least I have Driver starting for my fantasy team. Sighs.

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

me too. and i have rodgers as well.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

1/6 since first quarter

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time to bench DA. Seriously.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes. a thousand times yes. put quinn in. like i’ve said, with a 2nd shot i think he’ll be less conservative. i bet he’ll start vs. the lions after the bye week.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are penalties the only way that we can get first downs? This is so ugly!

by Browns town on Oct 25, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

How do you not find an open receiver when 7 guys are blitzing?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

hey, i don’t have the game- how is anderson doing??

by irish1083 on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

are WR droppig balls

by irish1083 on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not today. They haven’t had a chance in the 2nd quarter.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

missing deep throws, hitting some underneath routes early.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and he just threw a pick

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 questions. why does jamal lewis continue to get carries? why is derek anderson playing qb and not playin craps behind a motel 6 for a living?

by VABrownsFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

We have no one better, and we have no one better.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, quinn is worse than this?

by VABrownsFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say he was worse, he just hasn’t looked better this year.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

GB INT ball in red zone

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

This doesn’t look good.

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

i’m sick of anderson. who the heck was that throw to?!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

To Robiskie, confusion on route

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m so glad they’ve stuck by Anderson.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

DA could easily have 3 INTs now. Yuk.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

We should trade him to the Redskins for Sean Taylor.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they’re gonna score, at least throw it to Driver!

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Def should let them score right away so we get the ball back, and then all we have to do is score two TD’s and a FG and we’ll have the lead. < -Mangini Game Plan from Baltimore game, no joke….

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Two TDs with 2 point Conv

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t kill me for this but uh….. put in quinn? i think he’d be less conservative on his 2nd shot.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

i mean he played against 3 of the best ds in the league so…yea.

by VABrownsFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised. But I don’t think its happening. Yet.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

they should put him in the 2nd half.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking after the bye. But if this game goes totally DA, it might be next week.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

starting him vs. the lions would be a good idea

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then they might have to pay him more money.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he won’t get 70% of snaps by now

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we are past that threshold already, definitely put him in.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of agree. Doesn’t make sense to just sit him there.

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quinn can’t throw any better to receivers that can’t catch, he can’t help OL block, he can’t run the ball for the RBs, unfortunately the team is not good right now…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

DA has had all day to throw, and there hasn’t been a single drop today.

DA is awful.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have video of game, but given GB defense and Capers, I can’t see our OL getting that much better in a week. The team in general is bad

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, he’s had all day to throw the ball.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the OL is actually not bad generally and playing pretty good today. DA’s been knocked down once or twice, but is making bad reads and bad throws.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

“No matter if it’s Brady or DA, and the fans are chanting ‘Brady,Brady’…2 young wide receivers getting baptized by older defensive guys…” Radio…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

are they really chanting for brady? i don’t blame them, because i sure as hell am.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m two possesions away from chanting for Spurgeon Wynn.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was that bad, wasn’t it?

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worse. Anderson’s QB rating is now officially lower than Wynn’s was in 2000.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This looks worse than last!

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that if I were Doug Dieken, I would be drunk right now. I can’t imagine watching this game sober.

by tmptplayer on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Class penalty. Automatic first down. How to make 3 & Goal even worse.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

If they stick with DA, within a few weeks, I think we’ll see a big difference in the offense. Kozar has been hinting at this…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

No, Heather Kozar. HOT!

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bernie Kosar has been officially hired by the Cleveland Browns as a consultant. He’s worried about offense cause he says how they practice and prepare, but theyre getting no results.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know he was hired as a consultant, but am still confused as to what you are saying. He likes how they prepare or doesn’t like?

Its pretty clear we aren’t getting results.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playcalling to suit DA?

Surely Kosar resembles Quinn more.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily suiting DA, but an offense that can at least score. Word is Mangini and Daboll have made the offense playbook so confusing that it is seriously messing up everyone on offense, rookie or veteran. Tho Bernie has stated that he is NOT there to replace Daboll or anyone.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

DA’s thrown 2 TDs and 7 INTs now. what’s his passer rating now? we all know quinn wasn’t that good but this is just starting to irritate me.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Tampa Bay scored on New England…. finally the Pats give up points. Wish we had the Pats schedule.

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

In the last two weeks, NE has scored 80-7

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like a TD.

Sigh.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

down by 18. put in quinn. i’m sorry, but i have very little confidence that they will come back from 18 down. just put him in. i really think he will do better with his 2nd shot. not as much pressure.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Why don’t they at least look at the replay. That’s two weeks in a row under two minutes in teh half that they didn’t look at a very questionable call.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

im callin it. quinn in after half time. nuttin to lose a lot to gain.

by VABrownsFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

i wish this would happen, but mangini is stubborn.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine why you would think this. He made the QB switch before, he will do it again. He has played young guys consistently.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just feel like he wouldn’t want to start quinn, start DA, then go back to quinn again. he’s already screwed up the QB situation enough. but, it’s just my opinion.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you expect him to be stubborn.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe reluctant is the better word.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much Mangini’s decision is based on what’s going on off the field, and less on performance.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at it this way guys. At least we’ll probably win 2 or 3 games this year. And we have 47 draft picks next year, NEW TEAM!

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel if quinn was playing like DA has been ever since he took over, he’d be benched. why does DA continue to get the chances?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

They both suck.

But, one is capable of moving the ball, the other is less than capable.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quinn is a ND QB. ND qb’s are notarious for not being big throwers, and Quinn is just not where he should be. I hate hearing these games as much as anyone, but I couldn’t see Quinn doing anything positive. He can’t move the offense. DA isn’t doing much better, but it’s moving. All Quinn is doing is wearing the defense out when he goes 3 and out all day…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This pair is simply not interchangeable. They work different systems.

Choose your system first, then the QB (neither are great) follows.

Do you want run & vertical game or west coast short?

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

A college the QB has very little to do with how they play in the NFL. We’ve discussed this at length either. It is especially irrelevant now that Quinn is 3 years out of school.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And has how many games since? He’s just not that good as everyone thinks he is….

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody thinks he’s good.

The only thing anyone can say about him is that we haven’t seen enough of him to be sure.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But from what we have seen, would you seriously consider starting him on an NFL football team? What about 2nd half when your down by 18? Remember Baltimore? DA came out down by 20, had to try some things to at least have a chance, threw some INT, and everyone grilled him. Now, imagine Quinn trying to throw a deep ball, or over the middle, in fact the only ones he ever threw deep or over the middle I believe were all picked off. The team in general is not good. And I wouldn’t even attempt to try and bring Quinn back into the field in a game like this…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I had my choice neither DA or Quinn would come close to starting for the Browns this season. Unfortunately, that’s all we have. And since this year is shot, we need to use the games for evaluation and development.

Quinn has sucked real bad and doesn’t look ready.

DA is absolutely a terrible QB. He will NEVER be a good QB in this league.

I’d be interested if Quinn gets some PT this week or next week, but I really don’t care.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing anyone can say about him is that we haven’t seen enough of him to be sure.

We’ll have to agree to disagree.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying that. I’m saying that is what his supporters can logically argue. Nobody is arguing that he is good.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m simply saying, that in my honest opinion, I think we’ve seen enough to determine that he’s not a very good NFL quarterback.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll also add that the same is true for Anderson, he’s not very good either. He’s just more capable of moving the ball than Quinn.

Both still suck.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both still suck.

Bottom line.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both still suck.

Bottom line.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Agreed.
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by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I think there is a small chance he improves to be viable as a starter with good weapons around him. But right now (or at least the last time we saw him), he is really far from that.

But to those who think we need to see more to evaluate him fairly—- I think that’s a valid position.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A small chance is better than none. Sadly I think DA is officially hopeless at this point. Even though they got it back, that fumble at the goal line early today just was the last straw for me.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 25, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And because of Quinn’s lack of abilities, the offense is completely different than with DA. nd liked stated, with DA, the ball moves

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. look at him throw downfield. impressive

by VABrownsFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

i cringed when i saw that total yards stat.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

what accuracy. this guy’s a keeper.

by VABrownsFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

What the hell was that?

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Looks like the only competitive game right now is Minnesota-Pittsburgh.

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Pit exposed a big secret last week to our offense and that is we are seriously prone to blitzing, and that’s what GB saw and they’re continuing to do. Blitz, pressure DA to throw, and put the money on a young receiver who continually drops the ball.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

i don’t think momass has a drop today. i don’t think any of them do.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it was a secret that we can’t pass protect on the right side. Dumervil got 4 sacks against St Clair.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The right side of the line has been solid all day.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still, if you are going to send a blitz against our line, which side are you choosing?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely the right side.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that was all I was trying to say.

How is St. Clair so inconsistent as to have given up that many sacks and opportunities in the first couple of weeks and yet played solid today?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s really played solid for a few weeks now. He’s been overmatched every now and then, but nowhere near like weeks one and two.

Maybe it just took him a couple of weeks to adjust? I don’t really know…

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is not how we’re losing this week. They’ve put next to no pressure on DA. No one has dropped the ball. Not once.

DA couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, let alone hit a receiver in stride.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

GB is blitzing about every other down, sending up to 7 at one time, and when the ball was thrown to an open receiver, he bobbled it…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Absolutely wrong.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you might be getting wrong information about today’s game. Drops aren’t a problem today. At all. AND the receivers have got open, the blitzes are picked up. It is 100% on DA.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then I’m getting something completely different from radio broadcast…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard the radio broadcasters talk about several balls thrown completely off target by DA.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a team game, but it doesn’t sound like he is doing his part.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes there have been a ton

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he has 8 incompletions, I’d say at least 4 were not within 5 yards of any WR. Another 3 were broken up by coverage/INT’d. Maybe 1 drop.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How’s the weather? Windy?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t look to be. The flags are blowing, but not all that much.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t tell.

  Though maybe it is effecting throws more when the team is going right to left on TV. GB didn’t throw much in the 1st quarter and DA didn’t look horrific until the 2nd quarter.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may be right. Rogers has been less accurate on this drive.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re definitely right. There’s a wicked cross wind at that end of the stadium. That missed FG hooked thirty yards left of the upright.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s the end that has a little opening in the stadium on the lake corner.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dawson has talked about this at length before- much harder side to kick field goals.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That half was painful to watch.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Red zone

I’m fed up with the inability to capitalise on red zone possessions. We take a TD instead of 3 in this game and the momentum is different. Same at Pittsburgh, an early red zone opportunity that went the other way. Man up and score already.

by Terrible Terry Tate on Oct 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

i want pitt to lose so badly.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wonder if the NFL could really have a London franchise.

by gentryholdem on Oct 25, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I could only hope. Then there could possibly be another team out there with as bad as luck as we have had…Then again, we’re not TEN…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Fraley been playing any guard today? We seemed to run the ball better with him in there.

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s gone in at WR/TE a few times like last week…Not sure about guard….

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sounded like Hadnot was back in there at RG, at least for a little bit.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hadnot has played some, but has also been on the bench. they are rotating, which i don’t mind.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least we have an elite special teams. (minus Cundiff)

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

personal foul? for what?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Referee was muffled on radio broadcast, couldn’t hear

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try this:

What if we get off the QB fight, and we consider a new OFF Coordinator? We’ve had good luck with this same core group of OFF players, minus some here and there, and adding a few but there mostly veterans….Or maybe shift the playcalling to Mangini possibly? I’ve not really been impressed at all with Daboll. Rob Ryan however is worth keeping…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Daboll is terrible.

Our success game largely because of K2, Braylon, Joe J, and a younger Jamal Lewis, all of whom are gone, though.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and when you think about it, K2, Edwards, and Joe J all got screwed by a team that they bought into…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they all figured there would be changes when the new regime came in. Joe J is really the only one I feel bad about.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. He’s one guy we really could have done with.

Did hew sign for anyone and how is he doing?

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s done. The Cleveland Clinic destroyed his knee.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shame. Shame. Shame.

For what the guy gave to us.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a damn good Anderson. But much like the others, he’s long gone too. Brutally murdered by Shitty Anderson.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

About got screwed on yards again like the refs did last week. Mis-spotting the ball after a penalty. how hard can it be, one ref says how many yards, another re-spots the ball. They even put little tick marks on the field so you can count them off..

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

We can’t afford to have penalties. We’ll have no chance at winning any game unless we play clean football.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t afford the refs giving up add’t yardage either on penalties…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of the Browns’ control. Penalties are very much under the Browns’ control.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t called but def seen by the Browns sideline, think he might have been pulled for it.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now Shaun Rodgers throws a punch? Can’t be having that at all.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

On a comical note

Anderson and Rodgers have the same number of completions thus far in this game.

by Donald Driver on Oct 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice, we need calls going our way

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Bringing 7 guys and not getting enough pressure.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Good thing we didn’t call timeout with the confusion.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

55 yd FG attempt NO GOOD

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

i started brent celek over owen daniels again. i’m starting to think it wasn’t a good idea. daniels has 16 points.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Why do you keep benching Owen Daniels?

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

idk, but i shouldn’t be. a lot of the times celek is projected to get more points. it’s always a close call.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely starting him next week vs. buffalo though

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could start a HS roster against Buffalo…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantasy Lesson #7.55

Projections suck. Never start / bench players purely based on projections.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought washington’s defense was worse than 49ers defense. guess i was wrong. i’m up by 6 but d. williams, r. brown, r. white, celek, saints d, and r. gould still need to play for me. the guy i’m playing only has matt ryan, lee evans, and eagles d left.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mangini says: “We need two TDs with two 2 Point Conv, an Onsides kick and a FG and we’re in it….”

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Favre is playing catch on the Steelers right now, and I’m likin it…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad we’re running the ball…

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

That one’s on Cribbs.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

wow what arm strength!

by VABrownsFan on Oct 25, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

this is some bad football i dont know if i can watch anymore

by The Brown Note on Oct 25, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

on yahoo, our top performer is harrison: 2 rush, 6 yards. i think this summarizes up everything.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d laugh if I weren’t busy puking.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That one must have been DA’s fault, right…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually- DA was way late with that throw and it was low so Cribbs had to go to the ground to catch it.

But the fumble was all on cribbs.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, well according to the announcing, yes. Yes it is.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought maybe he threw it to an open guy, but shouldn’t have…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope, just about 2 seconds late. He hits Cribbs in stride and Cribbs may still be running.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cribbs doesn’t fumble if Anderson hits him in stride. He lost the ball coming up off of his knees.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s both their faults.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

“eric mangini isn’t happy”

neither are we.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

they keep pointing out how ryan grant needs to do better. i’d take him over jamal in a millisecond.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, yeah. That’s not a question. They are talking about the difference between the Packers and a super bowl team, not the Packers and the Browns.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is kind of a sloppy brodcast

Is this what you guys deal with all the time?

by Donald Driver on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you mean TV? Radio? ??

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, then yeah. Like dmbsnhn said, we get some really bad broadcasters. Though these fox ones are worse than the CBS ones, I think.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, then yeah. Like dmbsnhn said, we get some really bad broadcasters. Though these fox ones are worse than the CBS ones, I think.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally the TV guys dont send out the A-Team for our games unless the game is of great importance. We usually get the rookies or has been broadcasters….Rich Gannon, has he done a game since the Browns/Bengals and he bumbled the OT rules in front of a national audience?

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought their O-line was weak. Where are the sacks?

by NM Dawg on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

i guess our D-line is weaker today.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve abandoned the blitz (after two long TD’s) in favor of bend but don’t break.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t even want to see our offensive leaders….

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

you’re right. It is UGLY.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

like i said above… harrison 2 rush, 6 yards

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad our D is still playing. If we had any semblance of an offense, we could be alright.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Now all we have to do is get 3 TD’s, one of those we’ll add on a 2 Point Conv and this game is ours…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

We get them after they beat up on the Bengals. Hopefully, they forget what time the game starts and we get a forfeit.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm, fantasy question this week: Brandon Jacobs or Pierre Thomas?

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

who are each up against?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jacobs vs. Arizona
Thomas @ Miami

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Saints won’t have a lot of time of possession and when they do, they’ll be passing.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

DA is 1/1 in 2nd half. Must have been some pep talk in the locker room…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Um, was. He may be hurt…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s still out there?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another bad throw by DA… first time I’ve heard loud boo’s after a pass.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

jamal just got us a first down? oh my!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Just threw one into double coverage. Looks like he hurt his hand.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope it’s broken.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

not broken, but hurt enough so that quinn can get in

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s thrown the ball 3 times since. I think he is fine.

Though still missing receivers.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I was excited for a couple of minutes there.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad snap by Mack that time.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

How many is that this year, 3 or 4 by him?

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but first in the last 3 or 4 weeks.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh geez, we still have another quarter to endure?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

another ball overthrown…

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Underthrown as stated on radio

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was overthrown. a bit ahead of him.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think both are correct. He underthrew one and then overthrew 2.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was an underthrown ball followed by an overthrown ball. The underthrown ball was underthrown by 15 yards.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Radio call says it needed more air under it…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t mean that it was underthrown.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the occasional GB flag just prolongs the agony…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

oh, damn he stepped out…

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

But we got the late hit…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might get a TD on this drive if GB keeps these flags flying…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

16 yards by lewis?!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

And you all gave up on him 50+ threads up…

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I gave up on him a year ago.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I gave up on him a year ago.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, Lewis with decent speed.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

they might get a TD?!?!

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

All we need to do is get DA a crop of huge pass catching TEs.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t, there is already another team like that, we played them last week.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wildcat was great when Miami ran it, now that everyone is doing it, not as effective. If we did it, everyone would play us like Pit, then the whole league would do it.

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, are you saying Pitt has a team full of pass catching TEs? Or that teams would play us like the Steelers played us last week?

I’m confused. Nevermind.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

when was their last rushing TD? since buffalo last year, right?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

DA had one. but by a RB? You are right, I think.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

a TE they recent got, i guess

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Te who took DQ’s roster spot.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Gaines, TE, we signed him last Tuesday cause Heiden’s knee is bothering again, Royal had Flu

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it’s 4th down, they better go for it and not kick a FG.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriosuly, what do we have to lose?

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

have harrison run it in

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we get a TD out of this please.

by Simmsinns on Oct 25, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Indians just hired Manny Acta. I thought it would be him ever since I read an interview where he said he reads BP and picks his roster by VORP.

by gahnki on Oct 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

the one fired by the nationals?

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t know anything about him, so i can’t make any judgments. it’s harder for me to follow the indians b/c i don’t get any games unfortunately.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

luckily the cavs are on TNT all the time

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can get behind this decision. I wanted Bobby V., but it didn’t seem likely after the interview.

I’m just happy it is someone from outside the organization. And I like that he will be able to relate to Latin players.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Latin angle is HUGE.

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the youth angle. Dude’s only 40. Team’s going to be quite young next year and it’s nicer to hane someone they can relate to instead of 60 year old Bobby V.

by gahnki on Oct 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

A freakin’ DRAW?!? You gotta be kidding me…

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Dear refs: Incidental ≠ accidental.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

four chances. FOUR CHANCES. starting at the ONE YARD LINE.

this is pathetic.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

brady, brady, brady…

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone have radio on? …“Eric Mangini bring pride back to Cleveland footbal…”

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

so I take it on 4th and one we failed. . .?

by Jonathan W on Oct 25, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, Mass was tripped up by GB Def, but no flag

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now if we can get the safety….. we just need another 9 more…. and we’re right in it.

This could be a new dawn in offensive tactics.

by LondonBrown on Oct 25, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Now your thinking like Mangini!

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

um. wow. good job defense.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Really surprised we didn’t shore that up yet.

by rufio on Oct 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

And… the defense has been broken.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

the guy i’m playing has ryan grant on his team. he’s winning now.

by emily522 on Oct 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s this, 95 yards in four plays?

by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, whos worse? Our Def or Off…Can we just leave our Special teams on the field for all 4 quarters?

by dmbshn41 on Oct 25, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d say D. Though they m