They’ve made moves that good GM’s and good coaches make when faced with the task of rebuilding a team from scratch.

I would like your justification that “noone else would make” any of the moves Mangini and Kokinis have made.

Brilliantly summarized.

and he’s better than every browns WR ATM

Wrong.

and they’re being outplayed by WR’s taken in the 4th and 5th round

Name those receivers.

how has that panned out?

As well as expected, given that he’s only seven games into his career.

potential to have terrible hands like BE with none of the speed, jumping, or big play ability.

You’re right. We should have kept a guy who couldn’t catch the ball, was paid like the number three overall pick, who didn’t want to be here, and who was in the final year of his contract. Why get players and picks for someone when you can keep him for six months and either let him walk or franchise him and pay him even more money to suck ass.

he was so NFL ready that he either stayed on the inactive list or ST for 4 weeks. and has like 3 catches in 2 games

Whether or not he was indeed NFL ready or not, it wasn’t a bad pick. We took him where he was expected to go in the draft, and he filled a position of need. But again, you’re right. It’s been all of seven games, and he hasn’t done much, so fuck it, let’s cut our losses and move on. I bet if we cut him, no one would pick him up.

prove it. All of the top WR’s either had succes their first year or they didn’t play much. Lists some players who "developed" after three years if got opportunities their rookie but didn’t do much. Until you do you’re using it as a pathetic excuse

MoMass (through 7 games) 17 catches / 300 yards / 0 TD
Santonio Holmes (through 7 games) 16 catches / 245 yards / 0 TD

Santonio Holmes = BUST according to Rocland. Never mind that he’s developed into a number one receiver, been the SuperBowl MVP, and all of that… OBVIOUS BUST. The Steelers should have cut him halfway through his rookie season.

And, Cincy has one of the better QBs in the league. They are wasting his career.

I would actually argue that going into this season, Cleveland had A LOT more going for it than Denver.

Sometimes you need to tear things down before you can get better. Winslow wasn’t worth the contract he got from the Bucs (and would have wanted here) and Braylon didn’t want to be here long-term either. We are clearly a worse team without those two players but we hopefully will be a better team in two years because of the return we received from those trades.

That’s part of it, though I’d say that the addition of Costanza, and to a lesser extent thus far, Trusnik are huge.

i 100% agree with this.

The defense is better. We might give up yards and points, but now we are at least doing it with our big boy pants on. We aren’t playing scared, we are playing with some balls.

At least we are giving up yards and points because we aren’t a supremely talented defense this year, unlike last year when we had no shot at success because of the awful coaching…

…which describes this year’s offense perfectly.

I think the Edwards move was for a number of reasons, one of which you listed. Ideally, we would have moved him in the offseason and probably got a little more in return. I do think Braylon wanted out of Cleveland no matter who the coach was, and it probably would not have made sense to franchise him.

What move did we make that was necessary? The only move I was down with moving Winslow. If K2 wanted that contract, then by all means, trade him. But the Edwards move, IMO, was made because Mangini didn’t want to deal with him. We gave up a first round talent for a 3rd, 5th and a WR that is ok at best. Far from necessary.

I’m glad they didn’t overpay to retain Sean Jones. I’m glad they got out from under the Schaeffer contract. I’m glad they got so much out of K2 and avoided that contract. I’m glad they passed on many of the higher priced free agent, choosing instead to focus on players like Costanza and inexpensive stop-gap players like St. Clair. I’m glad they traded down instead of making the easy pick at 5. I’m glad they haven’t overpaid for Cribbs.

I can understand skepticism about the Edwards trade, but still think they got decent value considering the contract circumstances his attitude and his poor recent performance.

Way too early to tell. Mack looks like a stud. Way too early to decide if Mangini is a drafting genius.

I’m not calling him a draft genius, merely noting that he went into a draft in which we were short on picks (thanks Phil) and came away with a dozen players, one of which does indeed looks like a stud, another has already led the NFL in receiving for a week, and several more who are contributing, including two starters in Coleman and Elam.

No team hits on every pick, but the early returns from 2009 are promising and make me think that we finally have a decent front office, capable of making smart decisions on draft day.
These are all hard decisions. It’s much easier to keep Jones, and Schaeffer and K2 and Edwards and to pick a player at number 5 that excites the fan base, but instead they opted to do what needs to be done to right the ship.

The Edwards move was done because he was not going o sign with us after this season.So in a way a baseball trade took place.We moved him before we got nothing out of him.IMO it was a good trade for both sides.Edwards got out of town llike he wanted adn we got some picks out of it.

I would say it’s very similar (without knowing much about professional soccer). You have to hire the right people and let them do their job. You have to be willing to spend money but make sure its done wisely.

the hyperbole is duly noted, but i think it’s plenty relevant in that it shows lerner has the ability to implement effective management teams to steward his professional sports franchises. i don’t know if that’s a further indictment of his lack of success in that arena with the browns, or more of a statement of the modicum of luck that it takes for these hires to work, but it’s relevant. not dispositive, but relevant.

although, tyra does knock it out of the park on that talk show…

Thus validating every thought you have and invalidating everyone else’s opinion.

OK, Cassandra.

I get what your saying, but the Packers were going to cram the ball down our throats, DQ or no DQ. The Browns cannot stop the run.

Any coach who plays the Browns and doesn’t run the ball right at us is an idiot.

I noticed this during the Steelers game after D’Qwell went out. Esepcially in zone pass coverage.

I didn’t think the Packers exploited it quite as much- though they didn’t have to.

Do you think Maiava has the potential to be decent though? or is it too early to say

But our cap situation wasn’t dire.

The talent return should be much more important than cap savings at this point.

yeah, 4-7 is a stretch considering how awful and outmatched that team looked during the first 3 weeks, before the first win against a win-less Bengals team. Manhandled by the Cowboys and Steelers for one, and Gradkowski found ways to score when he was in Tampa, so it can’t all be on the backups either.
Right now the Browns have terrible QBs, rookie WRs (and like we really miss Edwards anyway), awful TEs, and a shaky secondary with the best player on defense out for the season- find me a coach who could win with this roster! They don’t exist!

No, I agree with what you said above and here. But it wouldn’t have been unheard of for a new coach to come in and use the pre-existing core and “pull a Cincinnati” (who are not more talented, pre-09 draft, than the Browns were).