Downhill... and no I'm not talking about the Browns...
by Guage80 on Oct 26, 2009 10:12 PM EDT
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Why have the "fans" from cleveland.com/browns site invaded this one? I can always count on good comments from a handful (not trying to leave anyone out) ChrisPokorny, Buckeye Brad, Roger Dorn, Rufio, kwoog and a few others... but man if this site hasn't been infested by some of the least insightful, argumentative, negative "fans" next to those on the plaindealers site. It's really hard to read through all the noise.
Chris,
This site, even through the loosing seasons, didn't seem to be a place for rampant negativity and immaturity. I don't know what 'powers' they give you as moderator, and I'll assume you have better things to do anyway, but it would be fantastic to ride this site of some of the worst offenders. Then maybe the Browns will start winning ;)
Appreciate the effort you and a few others put in to making this a good place to find out about the Browns and for the insightful comments on key topics. Hope it stays that way.
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While there are cancerous posters on this site, Chris has no power unless they perform something slanderous against another poster or the site. It’s a catch 22 of a moderator – he doesn’t really have full control.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Just the other day, I noticed that the Cavs SBN site, Fear the Sword, is linked on Cleveland.com as a Cleveland Sports blog. Maybe they found their way here through that association, or as I’m sure has been happening, through the Yahoo affiliation. The Cavs and Browns have been making national news for various reasons (usually bad), and as those stories appeared on Yahoo Sports, I think some of the more casual, nonsensical fans found their way through that. You don’t see that on Let’s Go Tribe, which could be directly attributed to the Indians not making much national news and the swift hand struck by their dictators moderators..
You are reading my signature.
I came through Yahoo!. Hopefully, I’m one of the more tolerable posters…
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I also came from Yahoo!
Yahoo-2 good ones
cleveland.com- 0
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are people voting themselves good posters? Haha. At least I asked.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, well the selfish high schooler was. Haa.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m only a freshy in College. I barley know any better.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I just searched for browns news on google in the offseason haha
by notthatnoise on Oct 27, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a frosh, too. Just not in college.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 3, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually linked here through Ball Don’t Lie on Yahoo!. Shortly after I found about the whole SBN thing, and joined Dawgs By Nature.
Three weeks ago, trolls were all over the site screaming that the Browns should have taken Mark Sanchez.
I have been on this website for quite sometime. Trust me, the boobs and noobs will grow tired of screaming the same thing over and over. They will go away.
There was a huge spike of first time newb posters. And of course ALL OF THEM had to post a grammatical nightmare of a fanpost.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
“quick, we need to start an online petition!”
by emily522 on Oct 26, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ah. I want to start an online petition to ban online petitions.
The ultimate paradox…
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
An even greater paradox.
You sir, have trumped me.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Appreciate the thoughts. I think just keep at it with insightful posts from everyone, and people will learn what we are going for here.
I feel like SBN should create a fanpost blocker until you’ve hit a certain date after signing and hit a certain number of comment counts. Agree? Disagree?
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be in favor of something that would enable you to block reading comments from some people.
Lets say that if SpecialBrownie didn’t want to read anything I wrote, he could just block me.
Call it the Magnini blocker.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 27, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha. I’m over my biased view of you being stubborn. Rocland was getting me peeved in general, so I took it out on you. My apologies.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 27, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve begun to post negatively over the past few weeks. If anyone thinks it’s a problem, ask me nicely to leave and I will do so. I think a number of posters here confuse being a good fan with wearing rose colored glasses.
Even since changing avatars you have been quite negative, but it’s alright to have some negative posters. AT LEAST, you usually have evidence and reasonable backgrounds.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Criticisms are certainly valid, but they must be intelligent criticisms and not whining just for the sake of whining (which is what some people who come here do). Good fans don’t always have to say good things about the team but they have to be able to back up their statements with facts.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 26, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The one and done posters are the worst. I’ve gotten to the point where if I don’t recognize the username, I don’t even bother. They just clog up the site. Usually I just let Brad or someone will take care of them and call them out for being an idiot.
Now there are others that I often disagree with, and even think are totally illogical (sorry mooncamping and rocland), but I will discuss things with them because at least they are going to respond with something- even if it is more nonsense.
I am one of the new guys I dont try to be negative.I am here because this is the best place for me to be able to talk about the Browns.
I live in Japan and it is hard for me to keep up with the team.So I use this site.I use to read and never talk but as of late I have tried to be in the middle road.I know I can come off with some stupid crap and I try to stop myself but the evil side comes out and takes over on some post
.Sorry I will try to be better at posting as I grow fromm noob to a helping vet :)
Also I found this site from a yahoo sports link…
The thing that I want to stress here is this:
You NEVER have to agree with everyone. As long as you have a reason, and have an adult way of getting your point across, you should never have a problem getting a word in.
I think people sometimes get the wrong idea about some posters not allowed to having an opposing view point. Be different. Think outside the box. Just have a good reason for doing so. Instead of saying “MANGINA IS A IDIOT!” or “i’m not lookin it up you do it. i know its true” give the reasons why you think that Mangini is in over his head. As long as you bring facts and a different viewpoint no one here should give you a hard time.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 27, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
No kidding. What’s the status of American football in Japan?
I live in Aus and I know people are starting to notice it. (A lot of help due to it being on free-to-air and, sadly, Friday Night Lights – more people know Matt Saracen than Tom Brady). What about Japan though?
You guys also have rugby don’t you? I don’t understand why rugby fans (and versa football fans) don’t notice the game of football as blatant as it sounds. You know?
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 27, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
We do. The people who do follow football though, I’ve noticed that they don’t follow rugby. People who follow rugby don’t follow football.
I’m in the minority in that I follow both.
It’s not so much ‘not noticing’ I suppose. I used the wrong verb there. I really meant to say ‘starting to get into it’.
I have always thought Friday Night Lights was a well done show. I don’t think it is sad that other countries are getting to know American Football though it.
At least it’s not Remember the Titans where they have to re live our past (and sadly, current) forms of discrimination. It’s the largest taboo of American society.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Greetings from the east, I live in South Korea. Question: Sometimes I get blocked from stuff I got in the states (namely, Browns feeds online). Then I heard about this: http://www.ultrareach.com/download_en.htm
Do you use something like this, and does it work?
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
American football is nada here.Don’t think any none American has a clue what it is.Baseball and Basketball they now but football nope.
I miss watching games,Even if I get up at 3 am to watch the games the base only shows the good teams so woul still be a waste of time.NFL tv is to much cash for me to shell out to watch this team play at this time.Maybe next year but not this year
I have to say, even with the signal to noise ratio growing a bit worse in recent days, I love this place. It’s the best forum for Browns discussion I’ve come across so far, and the high number of smart, well reasoned posters here make it worth wading through any number of goofbags. Hey, I even think mooncamping has his own bizarre charm!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 27, 2009 2:33 AM EDT reply actions
I like to take the good things away from this site, such as the other day when Buckeye Brad and I had a lengthy argument about a particular writer. Our opinions couldn’t have been more different, but we were able to keep it (mostly) civil and i don’t think either of us dislike the other now or anything.
Point is, its ok to have different opinions on this site.
As a “noob” to posting…one of the reason’s I come here as opposed to the Browns official site is because people on there just seem to come up with the crazy and depressing ideas. “Lerner needs to sell the team”, “Fire Mangini”, “Pay Cowher whatever he wants to be our couch”….it’s like ENOUGH!!! What I do not get is…we had a loosing season last year. The flaws in this team were exposed. We have had a tough scedule thus far, not like 2007. Mangini needs to be given the time to change this team from a loser to a winner. The press has piled on. The fans have piled on. Stories exaggerated and impatience at a ridiculous level. I remember when the NYC fans wanted to run Coughlin out of town for his ways….oh…until he helped them win a SB.
Relax. Give the guy a chance and realize you didn’t higher Jesus (or insert deity here)…miracles will not happen in 7 games.
by the irish chop on Oct 27, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Pay Cowher whatever he wants to be our couch"
I know this was just a typo, but somehow I like it. It’s clear that Cowher doesn’t want to coach the Browns, but maybe he would be willing to couch them. Or maybe he could resurrect Tim Couch. Or be a couch potato. Any of these would be good by me.
Umm right about now I might like to see Tim Couch back taking snaps then this mess we have now…
by Brownsfan4ever on Oct 28, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Cowher strikes me as a bit of a diva(n).
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 28, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t mind a negative post if it is well-researched and not full of hyperbole. In fact, I like a good post negative or otherwise that brings in some stat or angle I haven’t seen. What I don’t like to see is a lot of name-calling and bullying. I do my best to ignore this kind of thing but it is not pleasant to read it.
We follow a team and an organization that is made up of people. They should be respected even if the team is bad. Calling people “idiots” is something I’d never do to their face and so doing it here behind the anonymity of the board is just cowardly. Also, disrespecting people and calling it “free speech” is just wrong. The privilege of free speech is not a ticket to be rude and disrespectful.
The same is true of this board. We all like the Browns and so we share a lot in common. But behind the typing is a person and that person should be respected. If we got together at a sports bar, had some wings and watched a game, we’d probably all be friends by the end of the first quarter.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Oct 27, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I knew the minute I hit “post” and it had “Couch” instead of “Coach”, the jokes would start…nice job Noob! :) hahahaha.
One last thing, for the love of God…I am sick of people saying how certain players “suck”…these guys can run faster than most of us, lift more weight, take a hit from a 350 pound juggernaut and come back week after week for more. They are the elite of the elite. Give ’em break. Playing and succeeding in this league is tough…but they are far from “Bums” and could school 99% of the general pop any day.
But in terms of being around other elites instead of bums, they are generalized as suckish.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 27, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s any given Sunday….these guys have the talent. This is where coaching comes in. Utilizing a guys strengths, placing him in the right situations to succeed. We always want to run guys out of town as being garbage and then they succeed elsewhere. I’m starting to wonder if it’s not the owner that is the problem, or the coach, or the players…but the fans who can’t support what they have. Even when the Redskins were getting whooped on by the Eagles last night…those fans still got loud, still cheered…where is that with us? I hope our my city by the lake isn’t becoming a bandwagon town, but with every new Steeler shirt I see when I come back to visit…I’m startin’ to wonder.
by the irish chop on Oct 27, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, in all due respect that crowd quickly died out and started calling for the OWNERS head. And players CAN suck. No amount of coaching can change certain players. There is such a thing as some have it and most don’t. The idea of a system QB is that you flourish in a system built around you and your strengths. When you’re put in a real environment that tests you against your actual talent and knowledge, 9/10 most QBs blow it.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can get negative and normally that is not my way to got about anything in life. I just guess the frustration over so many years can get the best of me. I imagine if I lived in Cleveland I would deal with the frustration better. Being retired Military member I get to be around all types of fans and unfortunately they are Patriot, Eagles or Steeler fans. It is tough taking all of the nonsense, but you know what, I am not going anywhere.
So if offend anyone I apologize, it is not personal.
I love the Browns just like you all do, Lets get this turned around.
Just yesterday the Pats guys in my Office was trying to talk me into joining a winning team as they put it.Living in Japan after 8 yrs in the Navy I can understand your pain
by Brownsfan4ever on Oct 28, 2009 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i live in central PA, and since the 2005 SB, i’ve seen more steelers shirts, jerseys, and bumper stickers than i had in all of the years that they stunk or were blowing it in the big game. the bandwagoneering is painful. not to mention, many of the fans are loud mouths and cast a shadow over the smart, football savvy steeler fans. difficult to deal with sometimes.
I’m not American, and the first time I saw ‘Mechanicsburg’ I thought it was a modification of a city’s name.
Turns out this place is really called ‘Mechanicsburg’. Really cool.
I was thinking Lewistown was a stupid name for Baltimore and Mechanicsburg was a stupid name for Pittsburgh. Haha.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I love this site. Its shows how passionate the fans are about the Browns. And to sit here and not actually have to argue face to face, cuz thats when fights occurr, is sweet. Don’t really care to talk about the other teams when I’m talking about the Browns. There’s always that one guy who doesn’t like the Browns, and tries to put his ideas out there like he knows what he’s talking about.
Gosh, Gestapo indeed.
How you can indicate so vaguely, yet ask for an action so profound, in such a lackadaisical, non chalante way is very unsettling.
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by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 30, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Testing that random prose generator?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
trying to match moon’s level of coherence
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 31, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear your concern Guage, and am always open to suggestions. A few members have emailed me personally in the past and we’ve discussed ways that I can better monitor certain types of posters. Buckeye Brad has done a good job moderating some of the topics in the past.
As SB Nation grows as a network, all of the sites, particularly those who are suffering losing seasons such as we are, will certainly be prone to the comments that make you want to just have a little “ignore” button for certain individuals. Typically though, these are people who see a post of ours from the Yahoo feed, come over, post once, and then never return (unless they see a post through Yahoo again). It’s always a tough decision though, because while “negative negativity” doesn’t add to the discussion, the second their content gets removed, we’ll see tons of ludicrous posts from them on free speech and how this site his full of nazis, lol.
Maybe I’ll consult Jay from over at Let’s Go Tribe…in the past, it seems like a few of you guys have liked how he’s handled moderating things…
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/5/3/863636/ignore-script
I wouldn’t use an ignore button if we had one, but if there’s enough interest, I might make a go at reworking the script for use on DBN.
That’s amazing. The internet is a different game without greasemonkey.
Sure wish I could use three finger swipes for forward and back in Firefox (on my mac).
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
Hadn’t looked at this until now. Nice. Greasemonkey is indeed awesome and terrifying.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 29, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? I have all mac mouseboard controls through firefox. Or is yours not a pro?
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a pro. First edition aluminum MacBook. Nonetheless, I don’t see how that should matter. You can three finger swipe forward/back in Firefox? I’m pretty sure I have the most recent update.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
Nevermind, I just tried it and it works… Amazing. It didn’t when I first bought the computer, and I just have never tried since. Must have been with the 3.5 update?
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
Most likely. Firefox is the best browser though so I was perplexed as to why it wasn’t working for you.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good constructive comments, glad to read some responses by all.
Maybe an ignore button would be a good feature but not a high priority.
To clarify I’m cool with negative post and venting from time to time but when done in good taste, heck the team is 1-6!
Go Browns and Brown Fans!
Chris and team keep up the good work.
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