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Mangini Past and Future

 

Eric Mangini has been getting ripped, and I’m on the fence about him. I am a strong believer in giving a head coach a couple of years to install players and a system that works for them (i.e. scUM’s Rich Rodriguez).  I want to look at the offseason through today before I make my decision about Mangini. Then I will state some things I would like to see Mangini do.

Draft- When Mangini took a hold of the team I believe the Browns only had 4 draft picks in the draft. He traded Kellen Winslow to get us a fifth pick in the draft (2nd Round), then he turned our 1st round pick (5th overall) into 4 picks and 3 players.  It is too early to determine a grade of the players drafted, but I like the moves overall.  I think the only players we may have missed out on were (that we had a chance to get with the picks we had, without over drafting them), Percy Harvin and Michael Oher, who were drafted the 2 picks after we drafted Alex Mack. But Mangini may know what he is doing with Centers, in his first year with the Jets, he drafted Nick Mangold (2008 Pro Bowler) in a similar position.

Season- The first thing I looked at for this season was our opponents. If you take away their results versus the Browns, our opponents are 26-13. I haven’t gone through other schedules but I would be surprised if there was another team out there who have faced a similar schedule. Next I would look at the offense, and what can I say about it besides it is bad. Now the defense is a different story.  Even though we are dead last in total defense, I don’t get the same sense of ineptitude as I do with the offense.  I think that some of the defensive struggles can be attributed to the offense not staying on the field and turning the ball over. The Browns are tied for the 2nd most turnovers at 18, and 3rd from last in time of possession. Again this can be attributed to the quality of opponents we are playing, but if the offense can give the defense 1 less short field and hold on to the ball for a couple more plays to give the defense more field to work with. Then our defenses true colors might start showing. But all that said about the defense, we still need a better secondary. Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers had a field day against us the past two weeks.

Rest of Season- This season was lost a while ago so for the rest of the season, especially in our easier second half, I would like to see 1 major thing and I can’t believe I am about to say this. Even though I have supported starting Derek Anderson over Brady Quinn (I’m not a big fan of Quinn), I would like to see Brady Quinn start for the rest of the season after the bye week. The reasons I would accept Anderson starting after the bye week are ;(1) Anderson lights it up against the Bears this week, (2) Mangini wants to give Quinn a chance to get off on the right foot and have him start against Detroit.

Offseason- First thing first , Mangini should take the money he saved by benching Quinn, and either cut a Derek Anderson or pay a team to take him off our hands. If they can get any kind of pick out of the D.A., that would be a bonus. Then I want Mangini to declare what the identity of the team will be. Are we going to try and be an offense first team like the Cardinals or a defense first team like old Ravens. Then once he declares that, he goes and gets players for the opposite side in free agency, and builds the side he chose out of the draft.



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The Cardinals are trying very hard to become a fierce defensive team. I’m pretty sure they’re #1 in overall defense right?

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 29, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1st in the NFL against the run.
29th in the NFL against the pass.
15th overall in team defense.

If you watched that game on Sunday night agaisnt the Giants, the Cards have some really good looking players on defense. Dockett is a beast.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 29, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilson is pretty sick, too.

by rufio on Oct 31, 2009 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they had some good pass-rushers, then they would have a great D.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are not conceding the season.
We are merely conceding games on a week to week basis, based on comparing badly to our competition.
The players we need to win are out there, and they have been since training camp and pre season. Every day we don´t aquire them counts as an omission of possibilities, and a dereliction to the duty of trying to become winners. Every sorry addition to our roster counts as an insult to the fans and is a slap in the face to the better athletes still out there.
The clout of the Browns organization is misrepresented, and the talent pool the Browns can tap is grossly underestimated.
We can raise our chances at winning one player at a time.

by mooncamping on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Blah blah blah, troll.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Oct 29, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get that Greasemonkey script going. Seriously. I don’t this this is mooncamping’s greatest post, but trolling? Come on.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 29, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your confusability rating is up.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Since you´ve followed up on leads of questionable legality on Google like a dunce, feel free to follow me on Twitter, instead of acting like a creep.

by mooncamping on Oct 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is a public forum, but to have people sign up, not asking for personal information, and then to investigate them on the internet, does constitute at least a breach of confidence.

by mooncamping on Oct 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would Twitter. I’m sure its entertaining, though.

by L Train on Oct 29, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You on Twitter… I bet that’s REAL interestingility!!

by The naome40 on Oct 29, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

questionable legality

Did I miss something? Did Dorn steal your identity?

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 29, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not trying to do anything to insult you, I genuinely enjoy your takes, but I will stop if you want.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 29, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Twitter has the ability where you have to accept someone who wants to follow you if you so please.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 29, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twitter was getting old anyways, now I have a reason to lay off of it.

by mooncamping on Oct 30, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are not conceding the season.

We should be. We should find out what these young kids got. Can Francies cover a good WR one on one? Do we need to draft another ILB or is Veikune going to be able to play? Let’s not even start on the QB situation. These are the questions that need to be answered before the end of this season.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 29, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point. The season is over. What higher purposes can what’s left be put to than player evaluation and growth?

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Oct 29, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoy your posts, but i wonder how long it takes to write one?

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle

http://www.cardchronicle.com/

by Villeslgr on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are not conceding the season.
We are merely conceding games on a week to week basis, based on comparing badly to our competition.

Common mooncamping, this is like Jay Leno stuff, your material is usually much better.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 30, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you talking again about this secret talent pool floating around the cleveland area? future pro-bowlers who are currently selling cars, washing dishes, etc. because they haven’t yet been discovered? you’ve mentioned this before without any explanation of why you think it to be true. who are these players that are available, no one else has signed them, but they could all of the sudden take us to the playoffs?

by Dawg Nuts on Oct 30, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And here comes the list of fullbacks and players whose best attribute is their backside.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as the draft goes i think no matter what we need to address the secondary. we need a shut down corner. A Handford Dixon, Frank Minnifield type Brown. lets bring back some fear for the opposing offense. The next thing would have to be receiver. we have good WRs, but we need that tall, deep threat. We need that #1 WR, with better hands.

by holmes213 on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post above. I agree with just about everything you wrote and I feel exactly the same about Quinn. I thought Anderson would have been the better pick to start but if he keeps looking as bad as he has I’d like to see Quinn put in against Detroit and for him to finish the season.

I just finished some interesting analysis which I sent to ESPN’s Football Today. I know it is easy to accept that the Browns are worse this year than last year but take a look at this. I took some teams that are doing equally bad as the Browns this year and looked at the win/loss records of their opponents. Here are the results:

Chiefs 23W 22L
Bucs 25W 21L
(opponents of those two are barely over 500 on average)
Lions 27W 13L
(the Lions may be somewhat better than they seem)

Now the Browns. 32W 14L
That is pretty amazing actually. Add to this the fact that the Browns only have 4 home games in their first 11 appearances this year and that adds up to a pretty difficult menu for a team that was terrible in the last half of 2008.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Oct 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

which actually hurts us come draft time next year if we have the same record as another team. The team that faced the tougher schedule is considered “better” and get the lesser pick.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true. Good observation.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Oct 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It all evens out by the end of the season.

The teams on Tampa Bay’s schedule are currently a combined 59 and 41; KC 57 and 47; Cleveland and Detroit’s opponents both have a combined 57 and 46 record.

by golanbatrac on Oct 29, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but the point is that they have lost to the soft part of their schedule and we’ve lost to the difficult part of ours. We still have a chance to win in the soft part and they have less chance to do the same as the season progresses.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Oct 29, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn’t it a coin flip?

by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 30, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leon Washington/Cadillac Williams
Chad Pennington
Domenik Hixon/Sinorice Moss
Steve Breaston/Vincent Jackson

Any interest?

I only put Pennington because I still believe both Quinn and Anderson will be gone and Mangini has a thing for his former players, not because I want him.

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle

http://www.cardchronicle.com/

by Villeslgr on Oct 29, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Count me in for Vincent Jackson and Steve Breaston. I think that VJax will be very expensive, Breaston not as much. So in my mind, Breaston over Jackson.

I wouldn’t mind bringing in Jason Campbell for a one season mentor/place holder typre deal if we draft a QB. I personally think that Campbell is a decent QB in a HORRIBLE situation.

No on Cadillac and Washington. Too many leg injuries.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was trying to think of some guys who might be cheap or might not have a spot on their current roster for the amount of money they might ask for. Washington is there with Pennington for the Jets connection. Cadillac was the only decent free agent I could think of and I’m struggling to believe that Lewis will be back next year and I’m pretty sure Harrison is a free agent, so I was thinking we would need a running back.

I would like Jackson but I doubt we could get him. Hixon is on a team with 80 young wide receivers (as is Moss, but I would prefer Hixon) and Breaston would be nice to try and get if the Cardinals are messing around trying to make Boldin happy.

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle

http://www.cardchronicle.com/

by Villeslgr on Oct 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a pretty big Bucs fan I’d say pass on Caddy also. Had he been able to stay healthy I think he could have been one of the best backs in the NFL. When he’s healthy he is a great back. Unfortunately, that has seldom been the case.

by mgtbfb on Oct 30, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this describes 10s if not 100s of RBs.

by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 1, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don’t like campbell, personally. he seems fairly inconsistent, and we already have that in DA.

by Dawg Nuts on Oct 30, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DA has lost that 07 inconsistency we all loved to be honest.

He’s now consistently bad.

by skipkirk on Oct 30, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like Breaston. He’d be a fantastic upgrade.
I didn’t know Pennington would be a free agent. Are you thinking trade? Not sure he’d be THE solution but would likely be an upgrade over what we have now. Injuries are definitely an issue with Chad.
Free agent running backs:
Darren Sproles (little chance the Bolts will let him go)
LenDale White (nice replacement for short yardage – would complement C J Spiller whom I like in the draft)
Jackson is great but again, San Diego would be insane to let him go. But with all the salary that they have with their elite players might they have difficulty retaining all of them? We can only hope.
Chris Henry will also be an UFA.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Oct 30, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WalterFootball is where I got the list. Not sure how accurate it is though.

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle

http://www.cardchronicle.com/

by Villeslgr on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m pretty sure he’ll be a free agent, but even if he’s not, i don’t expect him to be with the dolphins next year, they’ve made it pretty clear they’re going with henne

by notthatnoise on Oct 30, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he came cheap, I would love LenDale White. Maybe 9 million for 3 years.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 30, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

love the idea of breaston or jackson, either would be a huge help. pennington is interesting, because while not flashy or capable of huge stats, he could manage the offense much better than anyone we’ve had in recent years.

by Dawg Nuts on Oct 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now, any of the above.

by rufio on Oct 31, 2009 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kellen Clemens is also a former Mangini player

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m not opposed to the idea of clemens holding the qb spot down for a year or two

by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 31, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hixon and Massoquoi sounds like a better receiving core than what we have now

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until we get an offensive line, Superman could'nt QB this team.

Why not be honest? The expansion version of our beloved Browns has not protected a quarterback since their inception. Couch spent all his time here running for his life, the kid will be walking with a cane by the time he’s forty. Like him or not Garcia is one tough little SOB, he spent most of his time here flat on his back or runing for his life. Sure they love Anderson, he’s too dumb to know when to get rid of the ball? Hell, you know how smart we were , ran that damn Belichek out of town, thought Marty S. was too old ? Until someone who really wants to win and is willing to pay the price to get what it takes and a Coach who can teach , its just going to be more of the same old sh- -t. Thre is’nt a decent QB in the League who would come to Cleveland by choice, under the present circumstances!

by NorthwestBrownsFan on Oct 30, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What about ’07? Our o-line was really really good that year.

"Quote goes here."

by Adrock2099 on Oct 30, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, it isn’t like our entire o-line needs an overhaul. thomas and steinbach are elite, mack is showing signs that he could be.

by Dawg Nuts on Oct 30, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even the right side isn’t terrible, they just aren’t that good.

by notthatnoise on Oct 30, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ran belichick out of town? so…you’re just making this up as you go along?

by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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