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Battle of Ohio Goes Down to the Wire, Ending in the Bengals' Favor 23-20 in OT

CINCINNATI BENGALS (3-1) WEEK 4 CLEVELAND BROWNS (0-4)
VS.
23 (OT) 20

That was about as long of a football game you could possibly get on Sunday when the Cincinnati Bengals defeated the Cleveland Browns 23-20 in overtime with just four seconds left on the clock. If Shayne Graham had missed the kick, the game would've ended in a tie barring a miracle.

For the first time this season, Browns fans were treated to a competitive football game. The team's play over the first three weeks of the season was abysmal, but there were more positives that could be taken away from this game than perhaps the whole season combined. In a sense, the team clicked on all three cylinders -- the offensive, defensive, and special teams units all collaborated for a relatively complete football game. What we lacked was the final knockout punch, something that Carson Palmer was able to deliver for the Bengals.

WEEK 4 - CINCINNATI BENGALS VS. CLEVELAND BROWNS (COMPLETE GAME REVIEW)

GOATS OF THE GAME:

  • Braylon Edwards: The change to Derek Anderson at quarterback was supposed to help Edwards, but that wasn't evident against the Bengals. Edwards failed to haul in a single catch, and he set the tone of the type of day he was in line to have on the first series when he dropped a crisp pass right at his chest.

    Later on, when the Browns had the momentum after another nice run by Jerome Harrison, Edwards initiated a fight. Sure, he was "sticking up for a teammate", but did the Bengals really do anything wrong? Harrison was picked up and slammed to the ground, but they were just trying to stop the guy. We were fortunate that the official called offsetting penalties on the play.
  • Robert Royal: The passes thrown to him were not ideal for a tight end like Royal, but the fact remains that if he's going to be running routes, he needs to catch the ball, even if it's on his back shoulder or coming at him when he turns into his route.

AWARDING GAME BALLS:

  • Mohamed Massaquoi: This game might have been the best game by a Browns' rookie receiver since returning to the league. After the coaching staff failed to utilize him the first three weeks, Massaquoi was the No. 2 receiver against the Bengals and took full advantage of his opportunity. Most of his receptions came despite tight coverage, and even when he thought he scored his first touchdown, he didn't celebrate like an obnoxious goof.

    When the Browns tried to drive late in the fourth quarter, he held onto a pass that he bobbled, a sign of shunning the late-game jitters (although on that play, he should've tossed the ball back to the official quicker instead of posing).
  • Shaun Rogers: I know the Bengals' long snapper is the worst in the league, but two blocked field goals in one game? Including an EXTRA POINT on a play that would've given the Bengals the lead with minimal time remaining in regulation? It almost kills you that after Rogers' efforts, we couldn't capitalize with a victory.
  • The Offensive Line: I can't help but give credit to the offensive line for doing a mighty fine job against the Bengals' defense. Anderson was kept clean, with Antwan Odom's only sack coming after Anderson screwed himself by rolling left when Odom was being held in check by Joe Thomas. Rookie center Alex Mack did not have any bad Shotgun snaps. John St. Clair didn't have any complete whiffs. There weren't any false start penalties that I recall, and the holes in the running game were present more often than before.

GENERAL THOUGHTS

    Week4anderson_medium Anderson provided a spark, but nothing more than we already knew he was capable of.
  1. Same Old Derek Anderson: After the low-quality performances by Brady Quinn the past three weeks, the reactions to Anderson's performance today were generally positive. However, the Anderson we saw today isn't anything that should have taken us by surprise. There were so many comments in the game thread with fans gushing over Anderson's performance. Anderson is a quarterback with accuracy issues and can make a few painful interceptions, but he stands in the pocket and is not afraid to throw ropes to receivers down the field. How did that scouting report turn out?
  2. Anderson's Day: He had a 54.2% completion rate, with one interception coming near the end zone after a drive that had been nothing but positive plays for the Browns. He also helped lead the Browns to a touchdown drive in the first and second halves (with some assists from Joshua Cribbs). There were drops by Braylon Edwards, Mike Furrey, and Robert Royal, but Anderson made up for those with the plays to Massaquoi. We're still searching for the day that Anderson leads us to a game-winning touchdown drive as the team's starting quarterback. Two field goals late, instead of touchdowns, ended up being the difference.
  3. Back to Basics Goes Cribbs: Cribbs doesn't need to be a wide receiver to earn a higher contract. Look at the field position he set the Browns up with against the Bengals throughout the game:

    -34 yards away from end zone (after a 58 yard kick return)
    -38 yards away from end zone (after a 39 yard punt return)
    -14 yards away from end zone (after a 50 yard punt return)

    Take a look at a team like the Dallas Cowboys, who lost to the Denver Broncos today 17-10. The Cowboys struggled to move the ball all day long, but with the potency they have on offense, how could they be stopped with having one player give them that type of field position all game long? The Browns did not take full advantage of Cribbs' returns as they should have though, which is becoming a very annoying trend in itself:

    -1st Time: 75 yard fumble TD return by Bengals
    -2nd Time: 1 yard TD pass to Steve Heiden
    -3rd Time:
    31-yard field goal by Billy Cundiff (after a three-and-out)

    10 points doesn't sound bad, but at a minimum there should be a score on each possession -- 1 touchdown and 2 field goals in the very least. In a better case scenario, those kick/punt returns should net more like 17-21 points.
  4. What a Stretch: In the first quarter, the Cincinnati Bengals ran 22 plays for 145 yards. Then, there was a stretch from the second quarter until past the mid-way point of the fourth quarter that the Bengals' offense literally did nothing. They ran 19 plays for 26 yards over a span of 7 offensive series. That is unbelievable, and although our defense gave up the late touchdown to Carson Palmer, they never quit and they really fought this week to stay in the game.
  5. Harrison Comes Through: I hope the Browns continue giving opportunities to Jerome Harrison, who filled in nicely for Jamal Lewis the second week in a row. Harrison's longest run was only for 21 yards, making his 4.2 YPC average on 29 carries even more impressive. That's another statistic that stands out -- 29 carries. Who said that Harrison couldn't handle a large load as an NFL running back? I would've like to have seen Brian Daboll rotate Chris Jennings in a little more often. The one time he did so, when Harrison came back in, he broke that long run of 21 yards.
  6. ...But he Fumbled: The 75-yard fumble was a downer, but because it happened early on, Harrison received the opportunity to redeem himself and he did just that. Fumbling has been a concern for Harrison (despite his lack of in-game fumbles), so this will be something he'll have to continue focusing on improving upon. Did anyone remember to pay attention to Harrison's blocking ability during the game? That was something that I neglected to look for during the game.
  7. Billy Cundiff's Range: After not being in the league so long, I give Billy Cundiff credit for hitting his kicks of 26- and 31-yards straight down the middle. However, in that fourth quarter where we settled for field goals, there was an instance or two where we ran plays on third down to get in closer field goal range rather than going for a first down. If we had Phil Dawson (who the staff would presumably have more faith in), would the offensive call(s) have been more aggressive on third downs?
  8. Week4harrison_medium On 29 carries, did Jerome Harrison do enough to show he's ready to be Cleveland's back of the future?
  9. The Decision to Punt: With 23 seconds left in the fourth quarter, the Browns decided to punt the ball on a 4th-and-10 from the 40-yard line. It would have been about a 57- to 58-yarder for Cundiff. Cundiff doesn't have a weak leg, as he was once brought in by the New Orleans Saints as a kickoff specialist. The past two weeks, he has also boomed kicks into the end zone on kickoffs for the Browns.

    His accuracy has historically been an issue though, and if Cundiff would've missed the long field goal attempt, Carson Palmer would've taken over with about 15 seconds left at the 47-yard line. With two timeouts, he would've had two cracks to get about 15 yards for an attempt at a Graham field goal. I don't argue with Mangini's call in this situation, but if we had Phil Dawson, I would've gone for it.
  10. Props to Brodney Pool: I nitpicked last week about Brodney Pool not standing out last week, but he was all over the place against Cincinnati. He saved a touchdown on a play in which Chris Henry broke free, coming over at the last possible second to break it up. He also had the team's first interception of the season when Palmer tried to catch the secondary off guard with a deep ball.
  11. The Mike Adams Train: His "start" at cornerback really didn't last past a quarter, but he had arguably his best game of the season with several key tackles on special teams and a few big individual stops on third down. Those individual plays helped prevent the Bengals from sustaining drives after the first quarter.
  12. Can Stand Ya: The addition of Blake Costanzo on special teams continues to be a positive one, as he recovered a fumble on special teams again (the ball sort of "slipped" right to him as he went to the ground). He had a "late hit" call a little later, but this might have been a case of him not realizing Cribbs was down yet, especially with the fact that the "late hit" only seemed to occur a second after Cribbs was down. Not a bad call by the officials either, though.
  13. Not All Good: Looking at all the points above, it must sound like we had a tremendous football game, which I'm sure has to do with the delight of finally seeing positive results in an otherwise dismal season. So, let's address some more of the negative plays now...
  14. Stopping the Late Runs: Again, our defense shut down a running back like Cedric Benson early on. When Bernard Scott, the Bengals' newly-discovered change-of-pace back came in the fourth quarter, he changed the tone with back-to-back 11-yard and 16-yard rushes. Without those plays, who knows if Palmer is able to produce a touchdown on the drive. In overtime, Cedric Benson got himself together with runs of 12- and 21-yards. Our defense couldn't use the excuse of being tired as they had been the previous weeks.
  15. Palmer's Scamper: I'm tired of seeing Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, and now Carson Palmer take off on plays that end up contributing to their team's victory. On 4th-and-11 in overtime, the Bengals didn't want to settle for a tie, so they went for it. If the Browns would've stopped Palmer, Derek Anderson would've had a chance to drive 30-35 yards in 1 minute to get into field goal range. Instead, Palmer took off for 15 yards and a first down. Our defense was completely caught off guard, but it was also a heads up and ballsy play by Palmer, knowing that the game was on the line.
  16. Furrey at Safety: It was interesting to see Mike Furrey doubling up and playing safety. He didn't register a tackle, but he had a pass deflection. I heard announcer Rich Gannon say we were thin at safety, but I know that all four of our regular safeties were in action. Speaking of Gannon, it's Steve Heiden. Stop saying Eric Heiden!
  17. Overtime Playcalling: I was the first person to trash the playcalling the first three weeks of the season. Despite our lack of ball movement in overtime, I don't think the playcalling changed much in crunch time. We didn't run it too often to be considered conservative, and Anderson mixed in a shot deep down the field to Massaquoi that didn't pan out. It just happened to be that both defenses continued fighting until the very end.
  18. Bad Challenges: There was no doubt about Chad Ochocinco's first offensive touchdown, so choosing to challenge that play was a waste. CBS failed to give a good replay of Anderson's interception by Jonathan Joseph, but the announcers seemed to indicate that there was no doubt about it either. I fault Mangini less for challenging this second play due to the impact it could've had. Timeouts were also a concern, but as I mentioned in the gamethread, if they prevent Anderson from being confused and making a dumb throw, then take the timeout.
  19. Brownies: Credit to the fans for showing up to the stadium despite an 0-3 start. There would've been nothing more depressing than seeing the stadium empty and hearing a pindrop when the Browns scored a touchdown. D'Qwell Jackson had 13 tackles, which led the team...Joshua Cribbs on a reverse should be done at least once a game...Corey Williams made the only notable impact of his Browns career in overtime...Kamerion Wimbley is going to have more sacks than he did all of last year.

Up next, the Browns face the Buffalo Bills. As bad as the Browns quarterback situation has been, I think I'd take ours over having Trent Edwards. Can Jerome Harrison have another big run against the Bills this year? We shall see.

Poll
Despite the loss, if you had one game ball to give, who would it go to?
Mohamed Massaquoi
204 votes
Jerome Harrison
24 votes
Shaun Rogers
129 votes
Joshua Cribbs
102 votes

459 votes | Poll has closed

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One either looks at it as a bad game because we could’ve won it, or as a good game because of the improvements.

I say the way we went the last three weeks, it’s hard to not notice the improvements and be pleased.

However, two game considered winnable at the start of the season (Broncos and Bengals @home) have now been lost. I guess that’s the shit of it all. Actually cross out the Broncos. They’re on a roll.

by skipkirk on Oct 5, 2009 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the discussion of a ‘moral victory’ can only be determined by future performances, and how the players choose to perceive it. It CAN be…or not.

If they continue to improve on the field and gain confidence as a result of this loss well, then, I guess we can say it was a ‘moral victory.’. If they don’t, well, It wasn’t. Only time will tell. The next game against a VERY beatable Buffalo squad will give us a great indicator, and as much as we want WINS, I think at this stage Cleveland fans are just looking for competitive games and a modicum of respectability.

In the end, They’ve just PROVEN they can be competitive…so no more excuses when they are not.

by johnnyphoenix on Oct 5, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

And all of a sudden, the Broncos and Bengals look like world beaters. And the Vikings and Ravens are Super Bowl contenders.

Maybe next week, against an average-at-best team, we’ll see a better version of the Browns.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 5, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am probably the most out-spoken Mangini hater on this site. I was proud of the Brownies on Sunday. anyone who says that we can’t take anything away from this game didn’t see MoMass. Kid has got some skills.

Effort all the way through and seeing MoMass was fun. We all know what DA is. Big arm, deep passes and bad decisions. I was at a bar and didn’t have sound. Did they have any idea what DA was dong with the ball on the INT? Was he trying to just throw it away?

I am thisclose to being done with Braylon Edwards. When I saw him drop that first pass, I knew he was in for a bad day. He really seems to struggle when he starts slow. Maybe he starts to force things, but 0 catches out of your number 1 is unacceptable. If MoMass didn’t step up, we are looking at another brutal offensive performance. BE has to be better.

Rob Ryan made some adjustments after the first. Something we havent seen in awhile. Cincy started on a roll and the D stepped it up. Good times.

Shaun Rogers. I have run out of words to describe the manbeast.

Jerome Harrison is the better back. The Browns should be in a Jerome Bettis/Fast Willie Parker type situation. Harrsion just deserves to be on the field more.

Friday I thought that we were the worst team in the NFL. Thanks to seeing the Rams/49ers, I can now say with confidence that we are better than the Rams. They could still win more games since they play in a joke division, but they are dreadful.

I wonder if we are going to hear from the we shoulda drafted Mark Sanchez crowd this week?

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 4:16 AM EDT reply actions  

On the pick I think they said it was bad communication with the TEs.

Initial look I thought DA tried to force it in coverage (as per), but I’m not sure.

by skipkirk on Oct 5, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jerome Harrison is the better back. The Browns should be in a Jerome Bettis/Fast Willie Parker type situation. Harrsion just deserves to be on the field more.

Agreed. Harrison gives us that speed to the outside and quickness to get through the hole with without being touched ALOT, which is really what this team needs more than a slower power back whose skills seem to have really declined.

Plus, like Bettis in his last few years…less touches for him will most likely increase HIS effectives b/c he’s getting more rest. I’d start Harrison from now on.

by johnnyphoenix on Oct 5, 2009 4:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Maleuiga (sp?)

Did he have much of an impact?

I gave my game ball vote to MoMass for an epic breakout game, though the other 3 were all worthy. Harrison I think we all knew could do it. MoMass had to prove it.

Denver are looking pretty good so although0-4 it has been a brutal start to the season. 12 games to audition for the new dawn next year, and I’m starting to hope it’s Robiskie opposite MoMass & a Harrison/Davis backfield tandem with Lewis to mentor.

by LondonBrown on Oct 5, 2009 5:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I was forced to listen to the game via radio, but I heard Maluaga’s name mentioned a number of times…for being out of position or missing a tackle.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Malaluga had a tackle for loss- though I thought he was offsides.

Overall, he wasn’t a major factor. I think he sat on third downs.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The best team in this division is still the Pittsburgh Steelers until proven otherwise.
The Bengals beat the Steelers fair and square.
So consequently I would assume they were toying with us. For me it adds fuel to the potential rivalry.
When a team turns it up in the 4th quarter against us, and we falter, it says something. It does not say we have endurance problems, everyone should be in good shape.
It says the other team is being friendly, not to blow us out, but then gives us an inkling of how dominant they could have been against us.
Good insightful article Mr. Pokorny.
All in all, Anderson did not fail badly enough, to warrant a trade. Quinn did, if I was in charge he´s gone. In fact, if I was in charge some scouts´ and fantasists´ darlings are going on sale soon. If I had any value towards getting the Browns draft picks in coming years as a current player, I´d be talking to my agent already.
I can only repeat, players like Veikune, D´Quell, Wimbley, Bowens and Hall are obviously more suited towards a 4-3. It is a matter of principle to me, that the Browns play a 3-4. Let´s start with how we play it, and get the proper athletes. We should not be broken towards changing our schemes to suit individual players´ fortes.

by mooncamping on Oct 5, 2009 6:44 AM EDT reply actions  

"So consequently I would assume they were toying with us."

Yes I am sure thats what they were doing..lol Glad to see your atleast consistent in your thinking process, whatever that may be…

Joey_D

by Joey_D on Oct 5, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

“The Bengals beat the Steelers fair and square.
So consequently I would assume they were toying with us. For me it adds fuel to the potential rivalry.”

by johnnyphoenix on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Haha, so teh Bengals were just being nice to us and didn’t want to blow us out? That’s why they made it as close as possible and waited to win it with 2 seconds left in OT?? That’s a huge stretch, even for you.

Also, Wimbley is perfect for 3-4.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good insightful article Mr. Pokorny.

Thank you :-)

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it’s too much, I can ask Chris to bring it down. I just thought it was appropriate. I would indeed listen to Mr. Smith more than Mooncamping.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to highlight Alex Mack a little more than you did even. I thought he was terrific, particularly in his run-blocking.

With that and MoMass, we should be pretty excited. Hopefully, some of the other draft picks develop.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

It is close to Holloween

You gave us a big scare. Boo!

Seriously, when these two teams play it is a war. You guys seemed to find an identity and DA is certainly the better of the two QBs and that surprises me as I thought Quinn would be a winner. Everyone down here thought this game was a trap game and we were set up perfectly to lose. IMO we are definitely not a playoff caliber team at this point. Both teams played down to the last second and in the case of the Browns it was very impressive to me. In my view you are kind of where the Bengals were last year. If the ownership and management can put together a good off season and if Mangini can extract his head from his ego and pull them both out of his butt I see a very tight division next year. If I were a Browns fan I would be encouraged. Play the way you did yesterday for the rest of the year and you will win your fair share of games. There are a lot of teams you can either beat outright or play hard to the end. We got the win but we don’t really feel that good about it. You got the loss but you should be proud of a team that in the face of a demoralizing offseason and season start that played hard to the end and didn’t quit. I. for one Bengals fan, applaud your effort. I know I am glad we don’t have to play you in your house again this season.

" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

by JUNGLEJOHN on Oct 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I know a lot of people are criticizing Braylon Edwards for having no catches, but how much of that is his fault? Of course he had the drop on the first series — and that was a terrible play — but other than that was the ball ever thrown his way? Watching on TV it’s hard to see the coverage in the secondary, but it’s obvious that the defense was not going to let Braylon beat them which left MoMass plenty of space to get open and he responded with a great game. If he keeps playing like that, defense will have to show him some respect and hopefully that will take some coverage off of Braylon and give him some chances to make plays.

It seems that people are ready to dump Braylon since MoMass had a great game, but we’ve seen the first three weeks what happens when an offense only has one good receiver on the field, and it’s not pretty. Without Braylon occupying the defenses’ attention then there’s no way MoMass gets open as often as he was. Let’s see what happens in the next few weeks with two good receivers before we start assuming we don’t need Braylon any more.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I was listening to the game on the radio (wasn’t Donovan) and the announcers were saying that Braylon was being doubled the whole game with basically the safety neglecting the run and the other players on the field to prevent him from getting the ball.

It would be foolish to think that Braylon can’t be effective again going forward, we just need our other offensive threats to continue to step up.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liken MoMass’s performance to guys like Houshmanzadah (sp?), Anquan Boldin, Wes Welker, et al. That is, it takes a feared & respected number one for a number two receiver to be great. Braylon hasn’t faced one on one coverage since mid 2007. I loved seeing another receiver get some looks. Another week or two of that and Braylon will get free more often.

I did hear from several friends back in OH who watched the game that the Bengals were showing no respect for our running game. That makes me even happier DA was able to move the ball when he did. Joe Flacco is able to throw b/c Ravens WRs NEVER get double teamed. There’s always 7 or 8 in the box to stop their backfield. Knowing the safeties were dropping into coverage instead of playing the run and still being able to run up nearly 300 yards in the air is a really encouraging sign moving forward.

Having said that, we’re coming up on the first Steelers game. sigh

by Michael Jay on Oct 5, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braylon hasn’t faced one on one coverage since mid 2007.

I am pretty sure this is false. If you are talking about man with some form of safety help it is definitely false. If you are talking about being 1-on-1 with a DB in their zone with no real help anywhere near them, it is definitely false. If you are talking about pure man-to-man, “on an island” coverage it is probably false, but people didn’t really try to cover Braylon like that before 2007. If they did it wasn’t often, and it was with an accompanying all-out blitz.

Joe Flacco is able to throw b/c Ravens WRs NEVER get double teamed. There’s always 7 or 8 in the box to stop their backfield.

You could still double the WRs with 7 in the box, and you could still have safety (and other zone) help with 8 in the box. I do agree that the Ravens running game helps set up the pass—and probably helps immensely.

by rufio on Oct 6, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top WR’s are double all the time. But that doesn’t stop Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith and Moss from getting 8 catches a game

by The Licensed Pessimist on Oct 5, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes it does actually. I never said Braylon was on any of those player’s level, just that without another viable option, a receive of his caliber (which is a notch below the best in the game) will sometimes law a goose egg.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horrific spelling, my apologies.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Besides, it was just one game. If he doesn’t have a catch again next week then that’s a problem.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steve Smith, Randy Moss, TO, Andre Johnson and many successful WR’s don’t or didn’t have a super successful player playing opposite of them.

by The Licensed Pessimist on Oct 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, Braylon is not on their level. What is the point?

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, great receivers rarely have a “super successful player” playing opposite of them. How often does a team have two great receivers? Not very often, of course. So I don’t understand your point.

Those players are all better than Braylon, as Roger said. Those players have also all had games where they caught no or very few passes. It happens. If he starts doing this often then it’s a problem.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can only think of a few instances off the top of my head.

Carter/Moss on the Vikings. Holt/Bruce on the Rams. Boldin/Fitzgerald.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would add in Harrison/Wayne and Taylor/Rice. But as you said, far and in between.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner and Peyton Manning as well as those offenses do some things to help make those WRs look good. Steve Young/Joe Montana and Bill Walsh inventing the WCO sorta helped those old 9ers out, too.

by rufio on Oct 6, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s an example of what I’m saying — Steve Smith, one of the receivers you mentioned who supposedly never has a bad game, had a game in 2008 with 1 catch, a game in 2007 with 1 catch and another with 2 catches, and a game in 2006 with 0 catches. Andre Johnson had two games last year with only 2 catches and games in 2006 with 1 catch and 2 catches. Moss had a game last season with 1 catch and two games with 2 catches. And he had SIX games with 2 or fewer catches in 2006 with Oakland.

So, Roc, you’re actually completely wrong. These are just examples of the three players whose stats I looked up (and are the top receivers in the game). It happens occastionally for receivers — that’s the nature of the position.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your right it does. But those players also have games where they can take a game over. It has been quite sometime since BE has done that. (only 2 100 yards games in his past 15, granted his QB play has sucked, but still…)

I agree that BE has been handcuffed by this offense so far this season, but he needs to step it up. I think the criticism of Edwards has been fair to this point.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no doubt he is not playing up to his potential right now. I don’t think that’s really the argument.

“Sometimes even the top WR in the NFL can be shut out, which means it isn’t so awful that Braylon got shut out”, not “Braylon is one of the top WR in the NFL”

by rufio on Oct 6, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

What rufio said. I wasn’t trying to say that Braylon is an elite receiver, because clearly he’s not, just saying that him having a zero catch game isn’t that big of a deal because even elite receivers have bad games sometimes. For fans to start saying that he’s not trying or we don’t need him any more is too extreme.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s reactionary and short-sighted.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 6, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy Moss doesn’t have a successful player next to him!?!?!

by rufio on Oct 6, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Derrelle Revis (NY Jets) stopped Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, and Marques Colston.

by Simmsinns on Oct 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leon Hall isn’t Darrelle Revis. Not by a long shot.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Leon Hall + a Free Safety entirely devoted to stopping one guy?

I didn’t see the game and I don’t have tape of it, but if that was really the case, we were right to play 10 on 9 with the rest of the team and get MoMass 150 yards.

by rufio on Oct 6, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did I miss the Week 3 game review? I was really looking forward to seeing who got the Goat awards in that one… :-(

I caught the end of overtime right after Mark Clayton earned the goat award for whoever runs the Ravens blog. First play I saw was the blocked PAT at the end of the 4th.

Yeah, it sucks to 0-4, but unlock the hapless Rams, Chiefs, Titans, and Bucs this week, we went down swinging. I’m cautiously optimistic. I expect DA to throw more picks, but putting up offensive TDs, actually moving the ball, and seeing a QB not running through his progressions at light speed is a welcome upgrade.

Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if DA got yanked at the first sign of trouble.

by Michael Jay on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Anderson is not getting yanked barring a catastrophe. After what he showed on Sunday compared to the first three games I think it’s clear that the team is his for the rest of the season. I’m sure the last thing Mangini wants to have is another QB controversy.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d think so.

There’s this idealogy in combat sports that some guys are gym fighters and some of them are stage performers. Gym fighters look like a million bucks in practice, but in competition they freeze up and fold. Performers show up when asked, but they’re terrible in training camps.

Not saying DA’s a superstar on Sundays (never would’ve been benched if her was), but that’s about the best analogy I can come up with for the two.

Peyton Manning once said that he knew he’d become a true NFL QB during some random game when he walked up to the line and everyone looked like they were moving in slow motion. Tom Brady’s mentioned a similar feeling after he won his first Super Bowl. Quinn seems like the reverse of that. Everything’s moving so fast that he’s trying to keep up.

by Michael Jay on Oct 5, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s this idealogy in combat sports that some guys are gym fighters and some of them are stage performers. Gym fighters look like a million bucks in practice, but in competition they freeze up and fold. Performers show up when asked, but they’re terrible in training camps.

I’d say that’s very, very rare. My guess is that 99% of the players who look better in practice also looke better in games, and vice versa.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

DA just doesn’t strike me as a guy who practices well.

by Michael Jay on Oct 6, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

My fault on the Week 3 review. I tried to make the extra effort to get the Week 4 one up as soon as possible to compensate, along with a few other updates.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s cool. Just after that debacle last week, I need someone to put my anger and rage into articulate sentences. The only words running through my head wouldn’t be allowed on network television.

I look forward to your reviews every week. Those and the fact that my fantasy team’s kicking ass this year are the only NFL highlights I’ve been privy to. :-(

by Michael Jay on Oct 5, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice recap. Keep up the good work.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Oct 5, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

11 – 2

That’s our combined opponent’s record. It’s not an excuse, but should be acknowledged that we’ve faced some damn good teams.

by Simmsinns on Oct 5, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

You could argue 12-1. That Mark Clayton drop still puts a smile on my face. Aside from our obvious woes, our division’s been pretty interesting this year. The Steelers’ D is showing some signs of age. The Ravens FINALLY have an offense after 13 years of riding Ray Lewis’s back. The Bengals look semi-competent. The hell is going on? I feel like we’re this year’s NFC South.

by Michael Jay on Oct 5, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The steelers’ D is also showing some “not having Polamalu”.

by rufio on Oct 6, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why no more roll call? I was just getting into over commenting on threads. Now I have nothing to look forward to on Monday mornings…

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

UGH. I edited in the roll call but the browser was hanging, apparently that part did not take. I know emily had the most comments again.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

go me! haha. i guess i’ll cut down so special brownie can get top :)

by emily522 on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: the decision to punt (General Thought #8), I guess I’m just not a very good football strategist. I thought they should have gone for it, maybe with a reverse (or double) to Cribbs. I was thinking that even if they only gained five yards and had to turn the ball over on downs it still wasn’t like giving Palmer the keys to the end zone.

They would have had to rush to the line and spike the ball f they did get the 1st and didn’t get out of bounds. But the worst that happens then is that the clock runs out and they go to OT.

I just keep thinking that they should have at least tried.

by JustBob on Oct 6, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

i thought anderson was excellent. he is clearly a better qb today than quinn. give him back those 5 drops, and his numbers look really good.

this was a great game for the mangini era. i’m encouraged.

by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 8, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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