Braylon Edwards Accused of Assault
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
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PrintThe Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that Browns receiver Braylon Edwards was accused of assault early this morning. Edwards reportedly punched Edward Givens, promoter of an events management firm, at a nightclub on Prospect Avenue early Monday morning:
In an interview with Cleveland.com's Starting Blocks blog this morning, Givens said:
"After the club closed, I was outside greeting and saying goodbye to people. Braylon comes up and started saying things, degrading me. He said if it wasn't for LeBron or the Four Horsemen, I wouldn't have what I have, nor would I be able to get girls. Everyone knows Braylon has a problem with LeBron. So I had to speak up for myself. The conversation started to escalate. As some of his teammates started to pull him back, he punched me. I have a black eye and a cut. I'm not a violent guy.
"As long as I've known Braylon, I've allowed him and his friends to come into our events free of charge. Whatever jealousy he has with LeBron, he felt he needed to take it out on me."
Oh boy, sounds like fun! The incident comes after Edwards was flagged for getting into a confrontation during the Cincinnati Bengals game. Edwards was also held to without a catch for the first time in his NFL career.
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From what I could gather, his decision is still pending.
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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst. Season. Ever.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 5, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I thought we’d see a different Braylon this year due to the fact that it is a contract year for him. Now I’m thinking he just doesn’t have it in him. If character is an issue I don’t think he’ll last long under coach Mangini. I just hope they can get something decent for him.
Brownsyup
Only if the Giants were morons. Steve Smith (NYG) may be a better WR than Edwards right now.
Actually, he is. No question about it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember during the offseason we (possibly) had a chance to get a 2nd and a 5th and Steve Smith for Braylon
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 5, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If I remember right, Smith was the hang-up.
They wanted to do deal Hixon instead.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we could have got Smith if we tried hard
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 5, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I’m thinking he just doesn’t have it in him. If character is an issue I don’t think he’ll last long under coach Mangini. I just hope they can get something decent for him.
Well I was prophetic… didn’t think I’d be this prophetic though. Took about 2 days. Maybe The Chosen One came down from his mountain and banished him from Cleveland. Unfortunately, they’ll probably become rivals again in the Big Apple :-(.
Brownsyup
After we lost on Sunday I spent the rest of the day trying to get over the loss (that I still haven’t gotten over) and trying to figure out what went wrong and what needs to change.
After the lost on Sunday Braylon Edwards (who had all of no receptions) hit the town with his crew, getting drunk, looking for pussy, starting fights, and not given a fuck
I have a lot of emotional equity in this team as well. But in the grand scheme of things, I was over yesterday’s loss in less than 5 minutes. As fans of this franchise, we’ve seen a lot more gut-punching losses than an OT loss to the Bengals with the team 0-3 and not heading in the right direction.
You are reading my signature.
Ah, the typical “I care more about my team than the players” complaint. Why does every fan think that players don’t care about the games? That’s completely ridiculous — they spend hours and hours every week preparing and working hard for the game. That’s their livelyhood. Why would you think he doesn’t care about winning and losing?
He’s not allowed to go out after a loss? Is he supposed to sit home and cry all night? These guys have lives just like the rest of us; he’s allowed to go to a bar on Sunday night if he wants to. Staying home and moping around the house isn’t going to help the Browns win any games. Maybe he needs to take his mind of football for a few hours.
Now, it’s certainly not good to be getting in fights and punching someone, but you can’t seriously assume that him being at a bar means he doesn’t care about the game. That’s just ignorant.
It’s not that Braylon doesn’t CARE about the games…it’s that he cares more about HIMSELF. I would ABSOLUTELY be willing to BET his emotional outbursts yesterday were moreso based on frustration for not getting touches, not because the team lost.
Now I’m sure he wants the team to win, and doesn’t like losing etc. etc., but again, if Braylon could choose having a ‘career day’ and losing the game over no receptions and the team winning, well, I’m placing my bets on the former.
Look at his behavior and attitude throughout his entire career here…It should be readily apparent what his M.O. is. He’s is, quite simply, a knucklehead. Not to the degree of a T.O. or Pacman, of course, but an immature knucklehead who doesn’t learn from his mistakes nonetheless.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 5, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwards’ manager issued a statement, hoping to soothe any perceived rivalry between two of Cleveland’s biggest sports stars.
“Braylon has nothing but the highest respect for LeBron James as an athlete and person,” Hayes Grooms said.
BTW, I HATE when athletes can’t even speak for themselves in response to any type of negative incident. All this ‘comment’ by Braylon’s ‘manager’ says is, “I’m NOT sorry, and I don’t really CARE.”
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
A better question would be why does Braylon Edwards even have a manager?
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Braylon even fight into the “Cleveland’s biggest sports stars” category. That makes me think he has actually been successful in recent memory (which of course he hasn’t)
Can we put him in the echelon of LeBron, Shaq, Grady and the like?
I’d think that he’s on par with Sizemore for sure. Sizemore is a good player and all, but he strikes out way too often to be considered an elite player like LeBron.
Is Sizemore on the level of LeBron? No, nobody is.
But Sizemore is a great player- the strikeouts really don’t diminish everything he does: gold glove defense at a key position, impact speed, power, solid OBP.
And I’d say he has more of a following amongst Clevelanders than any athlete in Cleveland other than LeBron.
Is Sizemore on the level of LeBron? No, nobody is.
In baseball, Albert Pujols most certainly is.
But Sizemore is a great player- the strikeouts really don’t diminish everything he does: gold glove defense at a key position, impact speed, power, solid OBP.
I can go with ‘great’. I’m more inclined to call him merely a ‘good’ centerfielder, but the difference between the two isn’t worth debating.
Just so long as we’re clear that he’s not an ‘elite’ player.
And I’d say he has more of a following amongst Clevelanders than any athlete in Cleveland other than LeBron.
For sure.
Well, I think you are way underrating Sizemore’s baseball playing, but that isn’t worth getting into here.
And you are missing the point. Pujols may be the greatest baseball players since sliced bread, but as far as attention and stardom, he doesn’t hold a candle to LeBron. And that is what Edwards is jealous of- the Star power.
Strikeouts don’t matter. Really, they don’t. Grady is one of the top players in baseball, right below the elite level (at least before injuries hindered his season — hopefully he gets back to that level next year). In 2008 he lead the AL in VORP, and that’s while playing great defense in centerfield. If he returns to form next season he will again be one of the most valuable players in baseball.
Grady’s not on the level of LeBron, but nobody is. But if he’s healthy again next year then he’s definitely the second-best athlete in Cleveland. And if you’re talking popularity, he’s certainly beloved by most Indians fans (especially the ladies).
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess it depends on what you define as elite. From 2005-2008 he was one of the 5-10 best players in baseball, just a notch below Pujols and A-Rod and a few others. He can certainly make it back up to that level next year if he’s healthy.
If you’re judging him based on BA and RBI (and strikeouts, for whatever reason) then you’re not looking at the right stats. As I mentioned above, he led all AL hitters in VORP in 2008. That’s impressive for a CF. You need to take position in to account when evaluating baseball players. You can’t just compare his hitting stats to a 1B because he plays a much more valuable defensive position. That’s why he’s so highly regarded.
VORP accounts for position though, which is partially why he led the league since he plays CF.
WAR is another good stat because it accounts for defense.
OK, he was second it 2008. My mistake, I thought he was first.
And I don’t know why you’re comparing him to Pujols — nobody said that Grady was on the same level as him. Pujols is the best player in baseball and may go down as one of the best of all-time when he’s done. What’s your point?
Again, Pujols is the best players in baseball. Every other player in baseball (except maybe Joe Mauer) is not in his class. What’s your point?
I guess if you want to define “elite” as the best player in baseball then Grady isn’t elite. If you want to define elite as one of the 10 or so best players, then he was elite from 2006-2008. Saying he wasn’t as good as Pujols doesn’t change that.
To continue, here are Grady’s ranks for WAR from 2005-2008 (WAR takes in to account hitting and fielding as well as positional value):
2008 – 11
2007 – 15
2006 – 2
2005 – 18
In 2008, he really should have finished first or second in the AL MVP race (if votes actually voted on who was most valuable to their team). Many smart baseball writers had him as the MVP that year. So I think it’s fair to say that he was one of the 10 or so best players in baseball before last season, when injuries hurt his performance. Whether you call that elite or not is up to you.
It just bothers me when people try make their point by refuting an argument that wasn’t made (there’s a name for that which I can’t remember right now). Nobody said Grady was on the same level as Pujols, but that doesn’t mean he’s not one of the top players in baseball. Showing Pujols’ stats doesn’t prove anything about Grady. You may think that “proves” your argument but it does not.
It just bothers me when people try make their point by refuting an argument that wasn’t made
The argument was made.
CW: Sizemore is on the same level as LaBron and Shaq.
Me: Grady sizemore is not an elite player like Labron James.
DD: Of course not, no one is.
Me: In baseball, Albert Pujols is an elite player like LaBron James.
etc…
Nobody said Grady was on the same level as Pujols,
Sure they did. Scroll up.
but that doesn’t mean he’s not one of the top players in baseball.
Likewise, it doesn’t mean that he is one of the top players in baseball.
Showing Pujols’ stats doesn’t prove anything about Grady. You may think that "proves" your argument but it does not.
I showed a VORP comparison of the two players. If you scroll up, you’ll see that you were the one to introduce VORP into the conversation.
I still don’t see anyone saying Grady was on the same level as Pujols, but in any case I certainly don’t think that. And I already said that above so I don’t know why you’re continuing with this line of discussion.
I did introduce VORP. I wasn’t arguing with your use of VORP, I was disagreeing with your comparison of Grady and Pujols because nobody was making that comparison. You brought that up out of nowhere. The point is that showing that Grady’s VORP is less that Pujol’s doesn’t prove he’s not a top player. EVERY baseball player’s VORP over the past decade is going to be less than Pujols, because Pujols is the best player in baseball. How many times do I need to keep saying that?
Grady being worse than Pujols doesn’t mean he’s not a top player. That’s my entire point.
All I meant to say is that within Cleveland, I don’t believe that Braylon had the following of LeBron, Shaq (soon), or even Grady (note this would have been Vic, had he not been traded). These guys are (or will be) fan favorites.
by Chief WaDrew on Oct 10, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if Braylon could choose having a ‘career day’ and losing the game over no receptions and the team winning, well, I’m placing my bets on the former.
That’s simply ridiculous. You have no evidence to back up that claim, other than your own personal feelings about him.
My opinion of him is BASED on the evidence of his BEHAVIOR and the of one thing being more important to him than the other. This is just another example. Losing emotional control time and time again, is a SELFISH act, putting his OWN feelings ahead of the team.
Going out the night before practice is selfish and immature in a profession BASED upon physical performance. I highly doubt he was drinking V8 last night. Now, is the day after a game practice the same as the rest of the week? Of course not, but he has ALL offseason to go out and relax and party, and HE made the decision to go out till past 2:30 and start a fight during the season. If it was a day off the next day, sure go out if you want…do whatever, he has that right just like we ALL do…
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
…PLUS, this team is 0-4….and just coming off a loss in which everyone is TRYING, TRYING to glean something positive out of to start the week off on a good foot. Now, they have to deal with the fallout from this stupid sh*t. SELFISH.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 5, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
When has Braylon lost emtional control time and time again?
And a lot of players go out drinking after games on Sunday nights, we just don’t hear it because there’s no trouble. It’s part of the culture of most athletes. Players still need to relax during the season. And don’t they have the day off after a game, so what’s the problem?
You wouldn’t be saying this if he had a good game on Sunday. You’re mad that he didn’t have any catches so you’re looking for something to whine about. This is just a silly thing to be complaining about. Players can go out on their free time as long as they’re not causing trouble. Most of us would be doing the same thing were we professional football players.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You wouldn’t be saying this if he had a good game on Sunday. You’re mad that he didn’t have any catches so you’re looking for something to whine about.
I’ll quote you in response to this.
You have no evidence to back up that claim,
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 6, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not just about going out and getting in a fight, that’s just his M.O., like i said before.
“Edwards spoke out against fellow teammate Bryan Russell for a hit Russell made against Cincinnati wide-out Chad Johnson in week two.He called the hit “bull – - ,” and went on to complain about the treatment wide receivers get in the NFL. This tirade caused many “teammates and even head coach Romeo Crennell to rally behind Russell, and eventually Edwards had to apologize for his comments.”
During Sunday’s game, Edwards blew up on quarterback Charlie Frye after Frye threw his third interception of the game. Edwards could be seen screaming at Frye, and even grabbed the quarterback’s jersey before being restrained by teammates. As if this wasn’t bad enough, Edwards began yelling at some fans who were heckling him. Incidents such as these are an embarrassment, not only for the player but for the organization as a whole.
“I went to the Pro Bowl last year and resurrected this team from the darkness, and nobody cared."
"People in this town believe they are entitled to too much.
I’m really to the point now where I’m just playing football," Edwards said. "I could care less about fans…
"It is what it is. I’ve learned being here that I’m very unappreciated. Not in the organization, just in the eyes of the fans, the city. Since Day One I’ve been a marked man coming from Michigan."
Just A FEW reasons why I don’t care for Braylon. There’s plenty more, and they have very little to do with his actual performance.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 6, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cleveland Browns would like to put 2008 in their rear view mirror and lose sight of it as fast as they can. In what can only be categorized as ignorant, Braylon Edwards showed up to Browns camp a day late and failed his physical. Edwards was placed on the Browns Active/Non-Football Injury list. Great leverage in a contract year would be to show up early and in shape.
Edwards’ contract is done after this season. He could be fined up to $17,000 for reporting a day late. He also missed mandatory minicamp in June with an undisclosed injury. The swirling rumor mill reported he hurt his ankle playing basketball. Because he missed minicamp, Edwards was to report with the rookies a week earlier than everyone else on the active roster. Instead, he showed up a day later than everyone else.
ATTA’ BOY, BRAYLON. (He sure looks like he’s having no problems holding on to that BOTTLE)
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 6, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, please. You’re just piling on. Plenty of athletes drink in their free time, just like plenty of non-athletes.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Some guys go out and drink after a loss
Some guys go home and rest up for the next week
What kind of guy would you want on your team?
They only play for 16 weeks, 15 really because of the bye. Then they got some off season training and a few weeks of training camp. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for a player to focuses on football for about 25 weeks in a year. They are getting good money and they are doing something that they "love" to do. I think it was our dear old friend Shaun Smith that said "If I wasn’t here I would be working at Wal-Mart."
by The Brown Note on Oct 6, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Go home and rest up for next week?! Are you kidding me? Braylon needs to go home on Sunday night and rest up for the next game in seven days?!?! That’s simply ridiculous.
There are many, many players who go out drinking after every game and we never heard a thing about it. And they show up to play on Sundays and perform just fine. This is only an issue because Braylon isn’t playing well, and the team isn’t playing well, and people are looking for a reason to pile on.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say rest up for the next game. I said rest up for next week. He needs to be sharp for practice and I think we all know the Browns need as much practice as they can get. Just because many players go out and drink during the season doesn’t mean it’s a good thing to do. Since it sounds like you are speculating on the "many, many player who go out drinking" I’m going to suggest that many, many of the top players in the league aren’t going out drinking and partying late at night. Most these guys are trying to take care of their bodies and they know going out late and drinking is not the way to do it. This isn’t an issue of Braylon not playing well, I think he looked good in the first 3 games and I credit him for Momass having a good game last Sunday. The issue is that he is not doing what he needs to do to be an elite wide receiver.
by The Brown Note on Oct 6, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you’re right. Only the crappy players go out to bars at night after games. Great players don’t do that — they’re home watching film and eating their vegetables.
Miguel Cabrera, who is one of the best hitters in the AL, come home drunk this past weekend and he had a game THAT DAY. Mickey Mantle and many of his buddies on the Yankees drank all the time. David Wells threw a perfect game while still hungover. Lawrence Taylor, as Bernie said above, was always doing drugs and drinking. You can find many, many great athletes who have a history of partying and drinking.
And we don’t even know that Braylon is on the level of these guys. Just because he was at a bar drinking doesn’t mean he’s getting drunk, or how often he does that. Players don’t practice Monday or Tuesday, so I can say for certain that having a few drinks on Sunday night will have zero impact on his ability to practice on Wed. Your post is just nonsense.
I’m not speculating that many players go out drinking after games; I’ve heard that numerous times from many athletes, both current and retired. It’s part of their culture and way of life for many athletes. And the great players do that just as much as bad players do.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we talking about football players or baseball players? You were able to name a number of baseball players but just the one well know addict in football. There is a big difference between the kind of shape you need to be in to play baseball and the kind of shape you need to be in to play football. The one football player you named, Taylor, has now stopped doing drugs and drinking. So I’m sure if he had it to do over again he wouldn’t have been drinking and drugging when he was playing football and this could have resulted in him playing better.
by The Brown Note on Oct 6, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about athletes, in general, and just named the first three or four I could think of off the top of my head. But if you want to think only baseball players drink during the season then by all means you can think that.
Also, Lawrence Taylor is in the Hall of Fame and many people regard him as the greatest defensive player of all time. I don’t really think he could have played much better than he did.
I do think that Braylon would be a better player if he spent his time studying film, working on routes, lifting, icing, resting, researching, etc. instead of partying.
However, to blast him for partying is ridiculous. It isn’t out of the ordinary, and he could still play well despite partying. Still, the alcohol isn’t helping him.
Going out aside, (which isn’t the MAIN issue, the fighting is), what are your thoughts about the other issues listed? It seems to be a pattern for him.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 6, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct. wasn’t Braylon out drinking with Donte the night of Stallworths accident?
I think Braylon needs to go home once in awhile. Time to grow a bit.
Seems so. Of course none of us truly ‘know’ him but I’m sure it couldn’t hurt him to cut all that out for now and focus on football. He doesn’t have to become Tony Dungy or anything, it just seems as if his frustration due to his lack of success on the field is being expressed and boiling over in different, negative ways. Maybe he can channel that frustration into a new determination. We all make mistakes. Let’s see what he does in this important contract year…
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 7, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Braylon needs to go home once in awhile. Time to grow a bit.
You’re going to say this based on the two times you are aware of that Braylon drank? That’s absurd, irrational, knee-jerk, psudeoanalytical, garbage. Come off it.
Braylon behaved badly, in various ways, multiple times while he was here. I don’t think saying he needs to grow up is a stretch, and you certainly don’t need to jump all over him for an offhand remark. Come off it.
Its obvious it was and is an issue. He now is in New York. Just as I don’t know whether he has a drinking issue just as much you say he doesn’t. Geez relax guy.
As was reported the night of Donte’s accident Braylon and Donte were purchasing $1300.00 bottles of booze. So if you if think it is fine, that is your opinion, I have mine. I just don’t choose to rip into someone who has a different opinion.
It’s ridiculous to base an opinion of another grown man based on what you see in the media. Yet you deign to condescend to suggest he needs to “grow a bit.” Again, that’s garbage. You know him not hardly at all.
Thats my point, I don’t know him. The media got the information from the establishment that Dont’e and Braylon were drinking at.
When Braylon rips into the Offensive CO. or yanks on Charlie Fyre jersey gettting on his ass, or ripping Russell on the legal hit on Chad Johnson, or taking a helio to the OSU.Mich game which Crennel told him not to and was late for a meeting, so yeah using that information I think he needs to “grow up a bit”
But if you like guys on your team like that, good luck.
He’s wants to be a Giant duhh. He’s thinking of some of that pizza.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is actually very amusing to me. I love the quote from Bron about how they haven’t really crossed paths effectively telling Braylon that he isn’t important enough.
LeBron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braylon
by rufio on Oct 5, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I also said huh. He likes believing his opinion is fact. It’s funny.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This exact topic comes up a lot. Stating an opinion starkly makes some people queasy.
Rufio’s remark and my reply are both interpretative/subjective – i.e., opinion.
Now, the topic of what I do and do not “like believing” probably is less up-for-debate.
Well, you’re the only one who denied Rufio and even then Lebron is much, much, much more proven in his sport then Braylon. Lebron actually trumps everybody, Braylon was just being substituted for a variable. So, changing Rufio’s opinion to fact the correct equation for this problem is:
LeBron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X
You will get an A on every math exam in Ohio if you answer with this…
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
LeBron is a better bballer than Braylon is receiver. Obvi.
But Yankees hats at Tribe playoff games is antagonistic of a fanbase/culture – same with wearing Boys gear at Brownies games. Braylon’s “they don’t like me cuz I’m a Michigan man” comment reflects (HINT THIS IS MY OPINION) that he is really trying to seek good approval, but feels rejected at The Cleve’s dissatisfaction with him. Now, he was wrong in that The Cleve likes receivers that don’t have chronic dropsies. But he was right to care about our opinion. Just like he was right to form O H I O with his arms on the sidelines in ’07.
You just brought a whole bunch of crap into a piss arguement. I’m fairly certain our hate does not stem from him being a Michigan man. True fans don’t give a flying rat’s behind what college he came from, you’re just running out of an arguement and you have to pull something out of your magical hat of bs.
You dissapoint me. And what NFL doesn’t like a receiver who doesn’t drop balls? This whole comment was Mooncampingish.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
SpecialBrownie, lay off those baked goods for a minute dawg.
Of course Cleveland doesn’t care Braylon is from Michigan. The fanbase’s dissatisfaction is 100% a product of his drops. Braylon, however, attributed his unpopularity to his alma mater. This is wrong, but the fact that he cares about his fanbase’s opinion is endearing and, quite frankly, adorable.
You misread.
Ah, infact I did. I don’t agree with most of it but I apologize for mosy of my comment. That was an amazing backlash comment, you must admit.
And I can eat all the baked goods I want thank you very much.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Braylon’s "they don’t like me cuz I’m a Michigan man" comment reflects (HINT THIS IS MY OPINION) that he is really trying to seek good approval, but feels rejected at The Cleve’s dissatisfaction with him.
Or he’s an emotional child with a serious need for attention. Ever since that article in ESPN the Mag, he’s shown that he’s more interested in being a brand than a football player. Seriously, is there any other explanation for him asking an opponent tips on modeling during a game?
Well, I certainly cannot rebut your take. The modeling saga – or what we know of it – is beyond dumb, and the fact that he addressed the fanbase in an immodest way. Your viewpoint is perfectly valid and – via Occam’s Razor -probably correct.
But I’m a sucker for a guy who wants to be beloved by a down-on-its-luck town. He doesn’t publicly support sexier cities – nor does he ask to be traded. He hasn’t arrogantly tempted Cleveland with external loyalties. He took BP with the Tribe. He’s one of the more outspoken pro-Cleveland athletes. He even OHIO’d – as a freakin’ Wolverine!
I know my take is rosy, but I think his loyalties are clearly Cleveland.
LeBron didn’t wear his Yankees hat at the Indians game to antagonize the fanbase, he wore it because he’s a Yankees fan. You can disagree with him being a Yankees fan, but he’s been a fan of them since he was a kid and he’s always wore their hats. He didn’t do it just to antagonize Cleveland fans — that’s silly. If I played professional football or basketball in New York I’d still wear an Indians hat to Yankees game that I attended.
So is that why you think LeBron is not loyal to Cleveland — because he wore a stupid Yankees hat at a baseball game? Never mind that he’s played in Cleveland his whole career and has many times proclaimed that he loves playing in Cleveland, or that he’s already signed one contract extension with the Cavs and will most likely sign another one next season — you say he’s not loyal to Cleveland because he’s a Yankees fan. Yeah, that matters much more than anything else he’s done.
You just love making these bold proclamations which have no basis in reality, don’t you.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know these impressions can be hard for you.
It has more to do with him stating he has a Yankees fan.
Context is everything.
By all means, rep your hometown baseball team when you get signed by the Jets.
What impressions? What are you talking about?
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well by then Edwards will be with the Raiders so the illistratron will still apply.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So that’s why he is so jealous. Braylon’s come to the sad realization that Lebron is probably a better WR than him.
by Simmsinns on Oct 5, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read somehwere that these are actually LeBrons’ friends in this commercial. that has to be the guy they are talking about right? I mean how many tiny ass friends can one NBA superstar have? I bet Edwards broke into the guys car too.
The little people that he always pal around with have been said to be friends from St. Vincent St. Mary he brought up into his inner circle.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Givens also stated that he threw a punch at Edwards, but Braylon dropped it.
Thank you. Corniest joke of all time, right here.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
You are the master of getting rec’d. I commend you.
Braylon could have pressed charges also, but he dropped the case. ZING!
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Braylon is a greater douchebag then LeBron? I agree. Thank you for this comparitive.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you possibly think that? What would make you say that LeBron doesn’t like Cleveland? There is absolutely no evidence that would lead to that conclusion.
You are enjoying this evidence line today.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he’s absolutely right. Plus, joeee’s math is way off.
by rufio on Oct 5, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rufio thinks he’s so special because he never forgot integration by parts.
I know it’s a controversial remark (and that Lebron is basketball Jesus). One that can’t be verified until the next contract BronBron signs. We’ll see.
My argument was never that LeBron will re-up with the Cavs. I think he will, but that’s entirely separate from what I was trying to say.
What I was trying to say was first that LeBron is better at basketball than Braylon is at football. Also, LeBron is better at marketing himself than Braylon is (something that Braylon wants to be good at, but isn’t). Lastly, if Cleveland fans had to choose right now between keeping either Braylon and LeBron in the city, the vast majority of them are picking Bron. Braylon shouldn’t pull crap like this (for a number of reasons, but also…) because he is essentially making the fans choose between the two of them—and he won’t win that popularity contest.
Lebron’s PR is orders of magnitude better – although that’s also a function of his complete dominance of a sport that showcases the individual. Basketball simply has greater marketability potential for the individual athlete – probably the highest of any American sport. Notice all those Lebron jerseys in China/Brazil, etc. Everyone loves American basketball. Everyone knows Lebron.
His talents go a long way toward creating his Brand, but he has handled his celebrity in the Jordan-mold. Aka, lucratively and problem-free. And Lebron’s slip-ups – the Yankees hat/no-handshake/dunk coverup have been pretty minor. Nothing as bad as Braylon’s.
I like Braylon because he’s so unpolished. Didn’t he make comments awhile back about Lebron’s Cleveland-antagonism? I thought I remembered that. Anyway, Braylon gets jealous about Cleveland’s love – he punches out this dude – he has bad PR. I find all this welcoming in our new era. Then again, I’m still thinking of Braylon as a fledgling superstar – but if the drops/modelling tips keep coming, that status is toast.
He’s enjoying the evidence line because he’s right about it. i’ve read these exchanges and agree with Brad on every one of them. Making these wild statements about selfishness, disloyalty, lack of passion, none of them are based in reality unless you know braylon or lebron personally. i’ll go out on a limb and say none of us do.
It’s really not that wild to say “X Athlete appears to like Cleveland more than Y athlete.”
buckeyebrad has stated many times that he literally hates front-running fans. Bulls + Boys + Yankees means front-running. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
It’s anti-Cleveland to front-run. It’s anti-Cleveland to constantly court NYC. It’s anti-Cleveland to antagonize its culture.
First, Cleveland is LeBron’s town.
Second- yes, hating fans is front-running may be a character flaw. But LeBron picked his teams as a kid. He picked winners and still roots for them (even when the Yankees lost to the INdians one year and missed the playoffs the next; even when the Cowboys have largely stunk for the last 10 years). And front-running doesn’t make you anti-Cleveland. You can love everything about the city and not root for the Indians and Browns. I mean, he does like the Browns and Indians and has said as much, but he isn’t dedicated to them. That does not mean he is anti-Cleveland. That is absurd.
I hate the Steelers, but does that make me anti-Pittsburgh? No way- it is a really cool city. I hate the Bengals, but you won’t find a bigger advocate of Cincinnati than me. I hate the Tigers and the Pistons—- well yeah, and I think Detroit sucks, but that is besides the point.
Liking the Burgh or Nasty Natty or NYC is not anti-Cleveland. Hell – I’ll speak for myself, I suppose – the only thing I hate about the Steelers is the fact that we aren’t them and that they play in the other great steel town. If the universe got a do-over and we had all their personnel, strategy, they were located in Cleveland and called the Brownies – that would be a dream come true.
Purposefully spouting your mercenary, false allegiances to the most evil/popular team in sports in front of a fan base that a.) loves you beyond condition and b.) is directly threatened by the Yanks is anti-Cleveland.
1.) Mercenary- don’t know what you mean by this.
2.) false allegiances- what is false about rooting for a team? I hate that some people like the Yankees, especially when they are from Northeast Ohio. But I wouldn’t call it false. The biggest sports fan I know grew up with me in Sandusky and roots for the Red Sox, Eagles, Fighting Irish and Cavs. Nothing is false about his fanhood.
3.) He is confident that the fanbase loves him beyond condition- meaning, even if he supports a different baseball team them.
4.) Yes teams play eachother. We won that battle. It was awesome.
No, that’s not anti-Cleveland. You are taking this to an extreme. There are many, many kids who grow up in NE Ohio who root for the Yankees, Steelers, Michigan, and other non-Cleveland/OSU teams just because they want to be different or they’re front-runnners. And I don’t like those people as sports fans, but that doesn’t make them bad people or mean the’re not loyal to the city of Cleveland (or Akron or Canton or whatever city they come from). That’s just ridiculous. Many of those people live and work their whole life in Cleveland, go to school there, pay taxes there, etc. To say they’re not loyal to Cleveland is beyond hyperbole.
I think what LeBron does on the basketball court for Cleveland and its fans, and in the community with his charities, and everything else he does is way more important that what baseball team he roots for. If you really think that then you’re just looking for a reason to dislike LeBron.
LeBron has rooted for the same teams since he was a kid; it’s not like picked them just to irritate Cleveland fans. When he chose the Yankees and Cowboys he had no idea he’d be a professional basketball player in Cleveland. At least he’s loyal to the teams he rooted for as a kid — some people change their favorite teams all the time and that’s even worse. Some of my students are Yankees fans and Red Sox fans and Steelers fans, but that doesn’t make them bad kids. They just had bad guidence growing up as sports fans. You have to remember — LeBron didn’t have a father to take him to Indians games and teach him why we hate the Yankees. He didn’t have the guidance that we had as kids when it comes to being a sports fan, so you can forgive him for just picking the teams that were good as a kid. He didn’t know any better.
This whole conversation is just so ridiculous that I can’t believe we’re having it. LeBron is the greatest athlete to play in Cleveland since Jim Brown and our best chance of winning our first championship in 45 years, and you’re going to hate him because he’s a Yankees fan? That really has nothing to do with him playing basketball for the Cavs or his loyalty to the city.
Never said hate, Brad.
Principles are principles. It’s awesome that LeBron is ours, but is it awesome that we have three pro teams? Maybe not. Is it awesome that he makes tantalizing comments about his love for NYC? No. Is it awesome that he doesn’t show the unbridled Cleveland affection as other former/present Cleveland greats – perhaps like Victor Martinez or Josh Cribbs? No. It’s by no means a mandate to be gaga over Cleveland, but neither is my liking him mandatory.
If he signs a Cleve extension, I take it all back. In the meantime, my image of him is blemished.
So, is that what this is about? You think he’s leaving for New York after 2010? Why didn’t you say that in the first place instead of this whining about being a Yankees fan (which has nothing to do with his basketball career).
He likes playing in New York. So what. New York is the basketball capital of the country (for most people) and MSG is the most famous arena in the NBA. He likes playing there in front of all the media and attention he gets. Big deal. So do most big-time athletes.
He’s not signing with the Knicks next season. He’s just playing with the media because he likes the attention. He has even said, many times, that he loves playing in Cleveland and wants to stay here (but the media doesn’t report that, of course). I don’t know how that’s any different from what Victor Martinez and Josh Cribbs have said. The only difference is those guys aren’t huge stars who are the constant topic of media converstation. But that doesn’t make them more loyal to Cleveland.
I don’t give a damn if you like him or not. But that doesn’t mean you can question his loyalty to Cleveland when there is no basis for that claim.
I actually have no idea if he intends to sign elsewhere in 2010. Only that opting to stay in Cleveland is an extreme act of Cleveland-love and proves his dedication. That’s putting his money where his mouth is.
Someone rightly said earlier that Braylon made a bad decision by asking the fans to choose between him or Lebron. Lebron’s Yankees and Boys stunts (the latter almost certainly a cover-up for the former’s PR nightmare – to show his equity toward outside baseball/football allegiances) put himself between Cleveland and winning. He was actively rooting for the Cleveland Indians and the Cleveland Browns to lose. He has intentionally left the 2010 extension open-ended (unlike other superstars who vocally beg for market/under-market extensions). This means I can question his loyalty. Doesn’t make him a bad guy. I actually like him a lot. But there are two types of players out there – the CC’s (nice player, taking highest offer) and the Cribbs’ (nice player, just wants a fair deal so he can stay in the city he loves). I have a lot more respect for the Cribbs’ of this world.
Many other stars including Wade and Bosh could have re-upped this summer. If they really were “begging for market/under-market extentions” any NBA GM would have given them one.
The fact is that none of them did.
Wade has said basically the same thing as Bron: “I want to win championships. If I don’t feel like X is a place where I can do that, I am moving on”. All of them haven’t signed anything because they all want to win and they want to keep the pressure on their GMs to make good moves and not dump salary in the poor economy.
LeBron will get a max contract offer from Cleveland, which will be more salary than any other team can pay him under the current NBA rules. Wade will get the same from Miami. Both would get a max contract from every other team, but that max contract would be less than what their current team (team that drafted them) could offer. None of the 2003 draft class would leave to take the highest contract offer simply because those two things are mutually exclusive.
Yeah – I understand that and it certainly weakens my analogy. The individual player cap is designed for NBA teams to retain their superstars. And that ‘03 draft class have all largely mimicked eachother’s deals. But with that concension – there are still plenty examples (look to the NFL) of other athletes quietly signing themselves to kingdom-come with their current team without drama or generating confusion.
It’s not wrong to court different teams because you feel no special bond for your city or current situation, it’s just that I don’t like those players as much.
Please give me an example of the best player in his sport, who is on the verge of free agency, quietly signing themselves to kingdom-come with their current team without drama. When’s the last time that happened (since you say there are plenty of examples). I’m not talking about a very good or great player, I’m talking about the best player in his sport at his prime (like LeBron is right now).
LeBron has repeated many, many times that he loves playing in Cleveland and loves his teammates. There is no reason to think otherwise. For you to think anything else is completely baseless and just shows your bias.
I can only think of a few.
Tim Duncan and Peyton Manning. But your right, not many.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 7, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you going to “stop this nonsense” or not, bro? I thought you bowed out of this one.
I cannot think of the last time there was this much uncertainty about the destination of a player who was a.) under contract and b.) not demanding a trade.
That’s because LeBron is probably the biggest free agent in the history of the NBA (many people’s words, not mine). Again, that’s why it’s rather silly to compare his situation to Josh Cribbs and all these other athletes.
So because the media is making a big deal about this that means LeBron is not loyal to Cleveland? How is that possibly his fault? Is Dwayne Wade not loyal to Miami, because he’s said and done pretty much the same things that LeBron has.
The reason you have you to use rhetorical questions often when arguing is because you assert things that I never said.
The media has blown the LeBron extension way out of proportion.
That said, there simply are plenty of star athletes in many sports – some out of this world big, like Kobe or Peyton – who have not had this problem. LeBron – even though Dwade and Bosh also haven’t extended!!!!!!!!! – could already be extended into oblivion. What’s stopping him? He knows where the biggest contract is going to come from.
My guess is that it’s not about the money for where he signs. And on the other side of the coin, it’s not about his loyalty to Cleveland that will keep him here. The decision will be his own. All that I’m saying is that my favorite athletes are loyal. They are rare. This is why I don’t dislike athletes for lack of loyalty, unless they are really public and boisterous about it. Which he may or may not be – depends on your opinion.
He wanted out. That’s him being disgruntled for a few brief weeks. There wasn’t a multi-year (real or imagined) Kobe sweepstakes.
There was the huge deal with him for weeks when they were picking between Shaq and Kobe. Then, they there was his entire thing a couple years ago about wanting to leave the team.
The media’s obsession about the 2010 offseason is nothing compared to that. You want to talking about public disloyalty- going on a big radio show and say “Yeah, I want to be traded”, going to management and demanding that its either me or the other superstar on the team, pouting on the court and refusing to shoot because you don’t think your team is good enough and you are sick of being the only option.
Kobe has had public struggles with loyalty to the Lakers frequently. It has hurt the team and it is personal. LeBron’s “issues” are largely media created and because of the contract structure- circumstantial.
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 10, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course. Kobe has said and done many, many more things that would be classified as “disloyal” than LeBron has ever done. The entire obsession about LeBron’s free agency is completely media-created, as you said, and I don’t know how anyone could logically hold that against LeBron any more than you’d blame Obama for the idiotic “death panel” controversey by some in the media.
But joeee decides to ignore facts and logic, make up his own standards for LeBron’s behavior then criticizes him for not living up to those standards. He has a history of doing things like that, though, so it’s not surprising.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 10, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
unlike other superstars who vocally beg for market/under-market extensions
That is completely false.
You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about so I’m just going to stop this nonsense. You’re just making things up as you go. I mean, comparing LeBron to Josh Cribbs?!? As if their situations are remotely similar.
Lebron is very unlikely to sign with the Knicks. If I had to pick two teams that might be able to lure Lebron that are not the Cavs, I would go with the Nets and Clippers.
Well we did draft Danny Green for a reason right?
Championship!
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a damn good 2nd round draft pick for the NBA.
Plus, Shaq? I think that’s really where we were focusing our efforts this offseason. Parker and Moon will be solid additions as well. Especially since Delonte West went crazy.
My remark was totally, completly sarcastic.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew it was sarcastic, but also saw it as finding fault in Ferry’s offseason (which I thought was pretty darn good) through sarcasm. My apologies.
I liked the Danny Green pick too. I think of him as a Shane Battier lite.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Unbelievable. It keeps getting worse. I’m a huge Braylon guy but this is awful. I know he’s competitive and probably ticked about losing. And not “contributing” just magnifies it. I thought he blocked very well and I actually liked him coming to Harrison’s defense TWICE in the game, but this is … unfortunate. I hope he does the right thing and reconciles personally with the kid.
Maybe Braylon’s lack of focus and concentration on gameday that seems to be the root of his numerous drops happens because he is too busy concentrating on how much he hates LeBron to pay attention to what he is getting paid to do.
Time for this guy to go. What are the Browns losing if the off him? He is just as effective of a receiver when he is sitting on the bench! Massaquoi made a punk of him yesterday. The rookie better watch out, Braylon might punch him too!
without Braylon on the other side, Massaquoi doesn’t have the game he had… period! they slid the FS to Braylon all game. Nice try though.
Correct. This sounds like a douchey story about Braylon, but let’s not turn this into something about football. He is still a very good WR and a big part of this offense.
Yeah. I don’t know why so many fans are ready to kick curb. Does anyone realize how terrible this offense would be without him? Say what you want about him, he’s still a guy who can make plays and the defenses need to game-plan around.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not being a jerk here, but the offense stinks with him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche.
I think that LT is behind QB the most important player on offense. Just ask Aaron Rodgers.
But it is pretty difficult for a LT to make an offense. A great WR on the other hand should be able to create offense on his own. Think Calvin Johnson.
I do see your point though.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not on Sunday. With no Braylon we’d be back to the offense of the first three games, every single weeks. We’d have absolutely no passing game without Braylon. Who would defenses fear — MoMass? They’d take him out of the game, then who would we throw to?
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to break it to you, but Braylon isn’t a very good player these days. He wasn’t good in 2005, 2006, or 2008 either. He had one good year (when he still led the league in drops) in 2007. That’s pretty much it.
Players who don’t produce aren’t good players. The Browns would be wise to let him go.
AMEN
He is also fairly delusional.
No one would rank Edwards in the top 30 receivers in the league right now.
Obviously, the browns feel the same way, otherwise they wouldn’t have drafted two WRs so early in the draft. Perhaps splitting time with javon Walker on the Raiders’ oractice squad next year will teach him some humility.
you guys are missing the point though, Braylon being on the field allowed MoMass to have the game he did, because the D was much more worried about BE and game planned for him. Just because he didn’t catch a ball doesn’t mean he didn’t have a significant impact on the game, and it doesn’t mean he sucks.
now that MoMass flashed some skill, defenses will have to contend with him too. this should free BE up a little more, then he can make some plays.
No, drafting two WR had nothing to do with what the Browns thought of Braylon, it had to do with what they thought of the receiving corps behind him. With JJ gone and Stallworth suspended, we had virtually nobody besides Braylon who could make play at the WR position. We had a great need for depth at WR, and that’s why we drafted Robo and MoMass. It wasn’t because we wanted to get rid of Braylon. After all, we still don’t have very good depth at WR.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess my point is that Braylon thinks that he is in the class of Larry Fitz, Andre Johnson, etc. For one brief season, he was. He was a WR that drew attention on every play.
Other than that, he has been decent at best. I am not so sure that he gets double coverage on every pattern. I personally dont think he sees much double coverage at all.
Yes our offense is better with BE. I just think the added benefit of BE is medicore at best.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There is absolutely no way that Massaquoi has a great game on Sunday if Braylon is not on the field. He was getting double-teamed the entire game which left MoMass open for all his catches. Hopefully that continues to happen, which will for defenses to shift their coverages and open up Braylon for him to get more receptions. To say that the impact of Edwards is “mediocre” is short-sighted, I think.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, MoMass benefited from Braylon being on the field. I think MoMass would have been getting open if Furrey was on the field.
I just don’t think it is because it was Braylon Edwards. Teams do not gameplan around WR’s like Braylon. He is not elite. He isn’t even upper echelon. He has the talent to be those guys, but he just isn’t. Blame his hands, his offense, whatever. The guy no longer scares defenses. Outside of K2, who could get open on his own, who was the last WR to do well on the other side of BE? JJ? Stallworth didn’t benefit. Neither did Steptoe (That was a cheapshot).
I think that MoMass was getting open more due to him abusing CB’s and DA making some great throws, than the defense focusing all attention on BE. I hope that BE makes me look like a dumb ass and goes 2007 on us.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep referencing the post-game quotes from the Ravens, but you really should check them out. They absolutely gameplanned around Braylon with the sole intent of stopping him and making someone else beat them.
I don’t really think that teams are game planning against Braylon freaking Edwards. The guy had one good year and even that year he lead the league in drops. This idea that a great receiver makes the other ones on the team better is true, but not in the Browns case. Edwards isn’t good enough for that sort of treatment.
Belicheck and his coaching tree say it all the time- you look at what the other team does well and you take that thing away from them. Look at the Browns team going into the Bengals game- If you were gameplanning against the Browns, what would you try to take away? Certainly not the running game. The short passes and gadgets to Cribbs looked terrible with Quinn and wasn’t going to be that big a part of the offense with DA.
The biggest thread is Edwards. Role a safety to his side, outright double him, etc. MoMass was a huge benefactor of this. It was really, really clear- even without the endzone film. Like not even debatable.
Really? Braylon led the league in drops? Wow, you’ve never mentioned that before.
Of course teams are game-planning against him. He can still make big plays. Teams would be immensely stupid not to do that with the lack of other weapons on the Browns. To think they don’t is just stupid.
Drops are overrated. Terrell Owens and Randy Moss are usually near the top in that category. Maybe because they get thrown to deep a lot more than anyone else which causes more drops.
Agreed. Though Edwards’ catch rate in 2007 was a very, very, very bad 52%. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2007
Point?
You can not believe that Edwards is anywhere near the receiver that Randy Moss is. I hate to say it, but this is a case of statistics being absolutely meaningless. You seem to like Edwards, which is fine, but don’t elevate him to the level of a first ballot hall of famer.
Actually, you are correct that you are missing my point.
My point is NOT that Braylon is as good as Moss.
My point IS that total number of drops don’t tell me anything about the quality of a receiver.
I do not put Braylon in the upper tier of receivers, but I do think he is a viable player and someone other teams gameplan for given the lack of other options on the Browns offense.
Additionally, I’m not any more fond of Braylon than I am of any other Brown. I was okay with trading him in the offseason and presented the case for why it might make sense often on this site.
Yep
They should have definitely traded him. He’s pretty much guaranteed to leave after this season. And yes, I know they can slap a franchise tag on him, but do you really think Braylon Edwards would be worth the money or the headache?
I agree that just number of drops isn’t that important, but his overall catch % is pretty low for a supposed #1 receiver.
FYI… Braylon dropped 15 passes last year and that was #1 in the NFL. But if you look at it as a percentage, as he had more passes thrown his way than a lot of receivers he dropped 11% which is 13th in the NFL. This includes running backs who typically drop more passes as a percentage. I’m not sure exactly but I’d say Braylon was in the top three for receivers dropping passes just from a cursory look at the data.
Brownsyup
Understood
That makes sense.
It’ll be interesting to see what Edwards’ off-season will bring.
I’m not going to lie, I have a predetermined disliking for the guy because he’s from Michigan, and drops a lot of passes. (He did in college too.) He also seems immature for a professional athlete.
I hated Kellen Winslow for similar reasons. (“I’m a soldier”)
Although, it does stop me from wanted them to do well as Browns, if it means the team is going to do well. I can root for a player to do well for my team while still having a general disliking for them.
I’d like to think it is well documented here that I am in support of resigning Braylon and keeping him on the team despite his (relatively minor, relatively infrequent) headaches. He is a good WR and he makes opposing defenses account for him.
All I am saying is that Braylon doesn’t want to make the fans choose between him and LeBron.
Trade at his absolute low. Coming off a no-catch game and potential assault lawsuit. Seems like a brilliant plan.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 6, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i like it. let’s trade robiskie too, since he’s also peeking right now. 2 WR for the price of one sale in cleveland.
i love people who can’t logically or sensibly express their frustration…
I don’t care if we flat out release him. It’s addition by subtraction. Do either of you really believe his stock will rise?
And as for loving people who “can’t logically or sensibly express their frustration”, kudos to you for taking pity on us lesser beings. If only we could be as articulate and translate our true emotions through a rational and well thought out discourse, we may be able to judge people like you can. Like letting people know that Robiskie isn’t PEAKING right now or maybe he is peeking at something somewhere.
I believe there may be a little misplaced angst in your response. If I could be so bold as to offer an – opinion. I am not your enemy. I assume you are a Browns fan and that is what I am. Frustration left the train long ago, if you will allow me a metaphor. I simply want what is best for the team and I have an honest opinion that the offense would be better without him.
Thanks for indulging linguistically challenged. Go Browns!
It’s addition by subtraction
This is the same asinine reasoning that tried to spin trading K2 as a good thing.
Robert Royal, sure love him.
sorry man, didn’t mean it to be nearly as scathing as you took it. i also apologize for my typo, even though i didn’t intend this to become a grammatical “throwdown.” All i was trying to say is that it seems somewhat irrational when people make comments like “trade so and so” or “fire the coach” after a couple of bad performances. It has an odor of impulsiveness about it. I’m certainly not the only one on this site that feels that way, read some other post and comments.
your opinion is your opinion, good for you. obviously you were right, because they traded him. see you at the spelling bee.
I wonder if we already had that trade set up, and then Mangini, being scared the Jets would change their mind, tried to hurry and make the trade final.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 8, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it. The conditional second rounder the Jets traded us became available the day of the trade.
I’d guess that the Browns performance on Sunday, Edwards’ performance on Sunday, Massaquoi’s performance on Sunday, the Sunday night incident, and Lebron’s response to the incident combined to give the Mangini and company an opportunity to rid themselves of a player they didn’t want while minimizing any fan backlash.
I agree with your first point, but doubt fan backlash was ever a concern. I believe based on what I’ve observed is that the majority of average Browns fans’ feelings toward Edwards had already turned sour during last season and was only getting worse.
(I know in my area (NW Ohio/Toledo/Sandusky/Tiffin), the OSU-MICH rivalry is extremely heated. It’d be nice to think, well what’s that got to do with the Browns, nothing? Well, the fanhood and feelings overlap, for most fans here anyway. They hate Michigan players, simple as that, especially when they don’t perform well. I for one, can still want a guy to do well on my team, despite that. I think this is true for a lot of general Browns fans. You can call them idiots, but that’s not going to change their feelings toward their most hated football program, or their alumni.)
As a completely unsolicited statement (and late, at that), I must say the following: (1) Getting into a public fight with LeBron (and by extension, his close friends) is not something a Cleveland athlete should do. I, and many others, worship at the altar of LeBron. (2) Players sometimes drink and do dumb shit. Dog bites man. While this is a story regardless because of who Braylon is and because of the allegations, it’s even more so given number 1 up there. Braylon is fully within his rights to drink on a Sunday after a game, and even get drunk. K2 was also fully within his rights to ride a motorcycle. Doing either one of those two things correctly/not stupidly would have saved each a world of problems. (3) Loved MoMass on Sunday, but without Braylon over there, MoMass doesn’t have that sort of day. I believe (note: opinion) Braylon could potentially be his 2007 level again, but probably does not a good “remove head from arse” lesson first. Perhaps this will be it?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Oct 6, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Stinkin’ Mangini!!! He’s at fault here! Pick the reason, the fat-tub-of-goo-mistake-of-a-coach is taking this team down the toilet. He should have traded BE when he had a chance. Then he wasted 2 second round picks on WRs who won’t amount to anything, except to upset BE! What kind of disciplinarian has his players out drinking after a game, and the getting in fights on top of that?!?! And of course the whole DA-BQ screw-up simply made it hard for BE to find any rhythm… Mangini sucks!
/sarc
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Oct 6, 2009 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
In defense ack! of Braylon: Mr. Ocho Cinco dropped a lot of passes Sunday that hit him in the hands. I didn’t realize Mr. 8 5 did that too.
But OchoCinco caught two TD’s.
Hence, no one cares that he dropped a pass. That used to be the same for Edwards.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 7, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s to hoping Braylon can use this get refocused like Chad seems to have done after a rocky previous season. I’m not optimistic, but there’s always hope I guess.
EDWARDS
GOOD JOB COACH BRAYLON WAS A CANCER TO THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!!
LeBron
is the most powerful man in Cleveland! This is pretty much awesome.
Think Dan Gilbert paid off the Browns’ owner to trade him, just in order to appease LeBron in an attempt to retain his services next year when he’s a free agent?
Cause I do!
I don’t know enough to say if this trade makes the Browns better or worse….but really, who cares? They suck either way. May as well dump all of Cleveland’s sports resources into the Cavs!
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 7, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
And Braylon Edwards has more imprtant things to think about than "getting girls."
Braylon, dude, seriously….grow up.
Commenting on how a guy gets girls? Really, Braylon?
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
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