Maybe this makes sense
by Coach Jimbo on Nov 1, 2009 10:32 PM EST
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The Browns need to to be able to run the ball effectively and stop the run. Basic football can win alot of games. The 2008 Tennesee Titans are a perfect example. The first Mangini draft was a terrible waste. Never waste draft picks especially on the first day of the draft. I give the browns a "D" grade in retrospect. You turn your team around by drafting skill players on Offense and signing vets for both Offensive and Defensive lines. Never trade your draft choices.
Looking back at the draft the Browns could have drafted much better. I would have drafted this group as an example.
1) Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio State
2) Ray Maualuga LB Southern California
2) Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma
2) Shonn Green RB Iowa
4) Victor "Macho" Harris DB Virginia Tech
6) Jason McCourty DB Rutgers
6) Myron Pryor DT Kentucky
6) Will Davis DE/LB Illinois
I would have added DL and LB and TE through the free agency. Josh Cribbs is a RB/KR not a WR. I would have tried to run the ball with big backs and a throw only when neccesary and Brady Quinn would be my QB. Derek Anderson would not be on my team. He would have been bundled in a trade for a WR. I would run 2 TE alot. The short pass is a young QB's best friend. It will take 2 years of good drafting and retooling to get this going. The browns need 3 young power RB's and a big young line to run the ball. Byner and Mack where are you?
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I will take it upon myself to welcome you to DBN and be the first veteran poster on Dayton Dogg’s welcoming list.
1. NEVER POST THE SAME DAY YOU SUBSCRIBE. YOU’RE NOT WORTHY OF THAT PRIVILEGE.
2. MAYBE THIS POST MAKES NO ABSOLUTE SENSE AT ALL.
3. TRADING PICKS IS PERFECTLY FINE. THAT’S WHY WE DID IT.
4. WHAT NFL TEAM HONESTLY TRIES TO THROW ONLY WHEN NECESSARY?
5. OUR LINE HAS ACTUALLY STEPPED IT UP THIS YEAR. WE HAVE FAR BIGGER PRIORITIES.
6. LOADHOLT BLOWS SO FAR.
7. MAUALUGA. REALLY?
8. Welcome to DBN. Enjoy your stay…
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 10:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You missed the whole thing. This needs to be done to one and done posters. And also, it’s a list anchored by DD and it must be promoted with force.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a noob poster, thank you for not using the subject line though.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant noob in a good way. I’m a computer nerd.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is another reason you’ll continue to get responses like the one from SpecialBrownie. We’re part of a community; you launch a “we suck, we should do this” post your first day, then you insult us further when we try to keep the site free of raging manifestos. all we ever ask is that new members read and comment awhile before posting. doesn’t seem that difficult.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. NEVER POST THE SAME DAY YOU SUBSCRIBE. YOU’RE NOT WORTHY OF THAT PRIVILEGE.
Rude.
by golanbatrac on Nov 1, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s true though. We’ve gone through a lot of vomit lately. You have to literally be worthy to post a fanshot.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then tell people that during the sign up process. Don’t wait until after they’ve posted a fanshot to blindside them.
by golanbatrac on Nov 1, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How would I go about that? Hm? If the first thing he does as a member is post a fanshot.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it is part of the Community Guidelines which people are supposed to read upon registering with the site.
We have way too many FanPosts on topics which have already been discussed to death so we ask people to read the site for a while before making a new FanPost to get a feel for what’s already been discussed.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I joined a few weeks ago and my first post was the day i signed up. Although I don’t agree with what coach said, it was a very rude welcome. i can understand the one and dones, but atleast he did a little bit of research.
by holmes213 on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed it when I registered at the Reds Reporter, and again when I added DBN to my account, and again when I changed account names.
And even if he did catch the fine print, I can totally understand why he posted this as a fanpost. 1. the quality and style of the post are pretty much par for the course here in the last couple of weeks; 2. While we may have had the draft discussion many, many times — most of those discussions are buried in the middle of six or seven hundred post threads; and 3. The SBN blogs are among the least user friendly ‘message boards’ on the net. It’s not exactly easy to wrap your brain around what’s what, how the site is set up, and how to use it.
If we are going to troll new posters (and make no mistake, that’s what SB did) before they get a second foot in the door, I can get on board with that. But let’s at least make it entertaining.
“YOU’RE NOT WORTHY OF THAT PRIVILEGE” doesn’t do anything to help the new poster understand how the site works or what’s expected of him. Plus, it just sounds stupid.
by golanbatrac on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you’re saying. “You’re not worthy of that privilege” was a little harsh. We can let new posters know in a much less confrontational and more productive way. As far as new posts go, this one wasn’t all that bad — we’ve certainly had much worse.
I was responding to your “tell them during the signup process” comment, to let you know that is part of the signup. Our Community Guidelines are rather straightforward and easy to understand (I hope), but many people don’t bother to read. That doesn’t mean they’re not responsible for knowing what’s in it.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but this guy has also snapped back rudely, rather than just saying “okay”, or “didn’t mean to offend anyone.” just saying.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Had SB simply pointed him to the community guidelines instead of being rude, I’d fully expect him to respond politely. But that’s not what happened. His post was met with hostility, and he responded in kind.
by golanbatrac on Nov 2, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted I could have been less brash but the game got me fueled and A new poster posting something about us doing something wrong was infuriating.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3. The SBN blogs are among the least user friendly ‘message boards’ on the net.
See, this is why I like SBN. This isnt a message board. This is a place for reasonable discourse on topics. We don’t have 25 guys posting the same thread and then have the same conversation taking place in 10 of those 25. Now we may discuss the same topics from time to time, but they usually are limited to 1-3 threads. Rather than searching for the one thread you posted on two days ago through 2500 messages, just to see if someone agreed with you, etc. Conversations are typically centralized.
While this site also acts as a blog, I think it is a combination between a message board and a blog, but more of a news information site. The blog portion is where a lot of good information is posted thanks to Chris and others, and the discussions that come with it. We do not want this site to become a cleveland.com-type message board. Those places just have rantings of 12 year olds that have no wishes for meaningful discussions.
by talonk on Nov 2, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but at the same time, we shouldn’t be surprised when a noobish poster doesn’t understand the format, the difference between a fanshot and a fanpost, or isn’t able to find where a specific topic has been discussed before.
I like SBN for many of the reasons you list. The point I’m trying to make is not that the format needs changed, but rather that the format is difficult and unfamiliar to most people and that we should take that into account before we slam someone for posting a fanpost on the day they register. Positive reinforcement of the rules and guidelines trumps vitriol every time.
by golanbatrac on Nov 2, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I am wih you, I thought by your tone you didn’t like the format, my mistake.
by talonk on Nov 2, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, it took me some time to even notice the fanshots, much less understand the difference between them and the fanposts. Not a bad idea I think, but not too clearly implemented.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one and done posters.
Baseless assumption.
by golanbatrac on Nov 1, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Your Rude. I can post anytime I want. You are nobody and I mean NOBODY.
by Coach Jimbo on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And obviously, it’s a free country do what you want. I was just getting the main arguments of your post out of the way.
And also, I know. I’m a little tiny any in the world we call Earth. I could die and NOBODY would care.I will do nothing to benefit the world
…Oh well. So be it.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha, maybe not funny to all, but that just sounds funny :)
by themadlibs on Nov 2, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And dark tan boxes means it’s a quote he found that SOMEONE else said. Like me.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for confirming SpecialBrownie’s excellent opinion of you. Our grammar experts will be by shortly to explain the difference between “your” and “you’re”, which most people learn about in grade school. Have a nice stay at DBN!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 2, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He got blindsided. I don’t blame him for being short and overly defensive.
by golanbatrac on Nov 2, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, the reception was hard. “You are a nobody” wasn’t exactly a moment of grace under pressure though, and reads a lot like someone who’s going to spray vitriol as opposed to using logic. But hey, I’m all ears for how CJ wants to discuss his actual points from here….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 2, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, you can. but expect the response you’re getting.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. He called YOU rude. Haha.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I get for defending the guy, I guess.
by golanbatrac on Nov 1, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I was harsh but it had to be done. Your first move as a member was a draft post.
Dangerous.
We’ve gone through many terrible one and done posters through the last few weeks and we’re pretty sore on that.
We need to figure out who is legit and who just wants to talk crap.
But seriously, a fanpost as your first action is not promoted. At all.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I didn’t think so. It sounded very pessimistic and I thought was nonsensical.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 1, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like it at all. It’s like he drafted for a Madden team. You say you want offensive weapons? Anderson bundled, will end up hurting more than helping. I’m not a big fan of trading draft picks. Meaning it will be an awful lot to get a receiver than can actually do something.
by The naome40 on Nov 2, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guilty until proven innocent, eh?
Anyone who is ‘legit’ will walk if their first experience here is to get blindsided with rules that weren’t part of the sign in process and aren’t apparent to anyone 9let alone first time posters).
On the other hand, you’re giving the PD trolls exactly what they want — negative attention.
by golanbatrac on Nov 1, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a backup reason, I was drafted into a group that posts harsh comments against first time members who are first time fanposters as well.
If it isn’t in the sign in process it should be and I honestly thought it was or at least to be careful and aware of what you post.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned above, it is part of the sign-in process.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the support.
SBNation says that one can create “blogposts”. This is a blogpost. It isn’t in the sign-in process to “refrain from blogging in a negative tone”. We can discourage people from doing that, but we can’t stop them doing that.
Besides, this fanpost seems much better than previous that I’ve seen. At least he didn’t call Mangini a ballboy and call for Lerner’s head.
by skipkirk on Nov 2, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you all remember Stonecoldpete’s draft post? And he had the trick-pole that said agree or disagree, and a few people fell for it.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 2, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, the safer way of saying Welcome to DBN ….
Thanks for joining the site. If you have lurked for awhile, then you should realize that this is not a message board ala ESPN, we try not to have 10+ threads discussing the same topic over and over.
This is not necessarily just a blog either, Chris actually posts news stories, etc. This site is very comprehensive for discussion about the Browns.
Secondly, based on your first post, I would guess that you haven’t lurked for awhile. The reason for that, is that the draft day discussion has been done countless times, even recently as well.
So in recap, thanks for joining. We hope to have many discussions with you in the future. But please try to keep discussions in the same location, rather than starting new threads (unless there is a brand new angle none of us have tried).
by talonk on Nov 1, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Being constructive is key, but this fanshot was so bad in so many ways. Piss-poor fanshots from driveby posters can be denounced swiftly and confidently. It improves the integrity of the site.
by joeee on Nov 2, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from you, this is absolutely hilarious. I really cannot believe you just wrote that.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The key is one or two persons – perhaps a mod – brings a swift hand down on someone, instead of thousands of shrill posters. Not personal. Just quick and painless.
This post should’ve been shot dead at birth for both jimbo and our sake.
by joeee on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you implying that BB should have done something? Like a subtle insult?
Because BB IS our Mod if you didn’t already know…
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One or two? Really . . . two is allowed? Because you once told me of your rule that “only one person is allowed to criticize a stupid comment” after I responded to a troll who was saying something dumb after one other person had already responded. Then you accused me of doing things which I had never done. So I’m glad to see now that your rules have changed.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not about absolutes, buckeye brad.
There was legitimate discussion on this thread over whether jimbo was appropriate. He was not. End of story.
by joeee on Nov 3, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha. It’s really hard to keep track of all the rules you make up and hold other people responsible for, especially when you keep changing them. But I’ll try to keep up with you in the future so I don’t get scolded again.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 3, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You all must at least agree that it pulls hairs when a new member posts a fanpost with no credibility. I think it’s outrageous.
Especially considering the last few weeks as I’ve said.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the frustration, but if you use my reply as a template, with whatever modifications needed, I think htat would work much better.
I hate to say it, but your initial post reminded me too much of cleveland.com type messages.
by talonk on Nov 2, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we find a happy medium between the two? A little spine is nice, but maybe not too too much?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 2, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I may have gone in too brash but don’t powdercoat everything.
We have to be tough on new member, first time fanposters.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It may have just been the CAPS LOCK.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 2, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. But I had to get the point across, yah know?
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the board. Hope you stick around. You’ll need a thick skin though… Don’t worry, our bark is worse than their bite and we are really good folk when not nursing a drubbing by [insert team name here].
I agree a premiere running back would have been a great addition to the team but I do not believe anyone thought that Wells was it. Not worth a pick that high in my opinion. I still like the trade downs and pick up of Mack then the later pick of Davis (too bad he ended up hurt).
At the time I wasn’t too crazy about the pick up of 2 WRs with the 2nd and 3rd picks. I though Maualuga fell pretty low but I don’t think he was considered by this regime for “personality” reasons. Linebackers were another obvious need though and it wasn’t seriously addressed through the draft. Anyway, coming in at this point and looking at the draft with the power of hindsight (given you can see who is performing, got hurt, etc.) is not all that useful.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Nov 2, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah you would think knowing what we do about those players he could have come up with a better draft.
this is like looking at the ’99 draft and saying we should have drafted akili smith
by notthatnoise on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, criticizing a team and their draft halfway into the season seems pointless. i’d respect it more had he done it right after they were taken. anyone can say “we could have had so-and-so” 6 months after the fact.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of Beanie, but I wouldn’t pay him the top 5 money. Don’t think it’s worth it. you can run the ball without a line, excluding Barry Sanders.
by The naome40 on Nov 2, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
sorry, you CAN’T run the ball without a line
by The naome40 on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We could have picked him up very far outside the top-5, considering we moved back several times and he was there each time.
by rufio on Nov 2, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It´s interesting that you used the after we traded down three times version.
I had none of the players you listed on my wishlist, save maybe Shonn Green. But the players the Browns chose weren´t on my wishlist either.
I don´t give up on prospects though, so my wishlists from every year are still active.
by mooncamping on Nov 2, 2009 9:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I need a refresher who was on your 2009 draft wish list.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Fullbacks
2. Players with nice butts and long torsos
3. Big cornerbacks who can tackle but not cover receivers
4. More fullbacks
5. A center (since Mack is really a guard)
6. Even more fullbacks
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
wait, you forgot to mention fullbacks.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Just FYI, if you want to “rec” a comment click on the actions tag and click on “rec” to recommend it. If a comment gets a few recs it will light up green.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Looking at his profile, he actually did click the “rec” button at 10:36 AM as well.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 2, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well my comment showed 0 recs when I read his comment so something must have been screwed up.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re reading the thread and his comment appears as a new “live” comment, the “number of recs” won’t update until you refresh the page. For example, if you’re in a game thread but never hit “refresh”, you won’t see any posts in the game thread suddenly turn green.
Although, it still could’ve been something screwed up depending on the timing,
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny Buckeye, but not that funny, because there is a kernel of truth.
Here´s some of the linebackers for the 3-4:
ILB: Greg Trent, Solomon Elimimian, Mike Rivera, Jake Flaherty, Worrell Williams, Maurice Crum Jr.
OLB: Morris Wooten, Anthony Heygood, Russell Allen, Moise Fokou, Pat Maynor, John Bacon
Of course, I wanted B.J. Raji at DT. A few others were: Tez Doolittle, Clinton McDonald, George Hypolite.
At cornerback, yes big physical ones: Sean Smith, Curtis Taylor, Otis Wiley. There weren´t that many.
At safety, I was surprised my guys got snagged: Bradley Fletcher, David Bruton.
On offense: Lets just say, I thought we needed a center and my choice was Max Unger. I thought QB Chris Pizzotti, Harvard, could have been a steal. And I was looking at scatbacks: Devin Moore, Wyoming. Cedrick Dorsey, SMU…but that was before I realised that fullbacks with wheels is the way to go, currently.
All in all, of course they weren´t consensus, but the talent pool is much deeper than the scouting and draft shows.
by mooncamping on Nov 2, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That is a good phrase for the NFL
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 2, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d like to see all of their measurements before i decide…
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have a point there. Could be a lucrative endeavour, have everyone measured.
by mooncamping on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL should have all the draft prospects go somewhere before the draft to get measured. Maybe they can do some other drills also.
Call it, I don’t know… The Combine??
Nah, that’s crazy talk.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 2, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope you realize i was being facetious above. playing off of the “moon likes players with long torsos and big butts” thing.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he was responding to mooncamping seemingly not knowing about the combine
by notthatnoise on Nov 2, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Currently, this would be my alignment:
OLB Russell Allen
ILB Solomon Elimimian
ILB Greg Trent
OLB Morris Wooten
These guys are available.
This is my all-star squad, though:
OLB Ernie Sims (Detroit press is saying he´s expendable)
ILB Nate Harris (This guy is awesome! The Jets have him on backburner)
ILB Bear Woods (2010 draft)
OLB Demorrio Williams (Coach Haley prefers Derrick Johnson and probably a few others)
by mooncamping on Nov 2, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Trent isn’t even in the NFL. Same for Solomon Elimimian and Morris Wooten.
Your starting LB’s would be three guys that aren’t NFL players. This is why some people think you are crazy.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 2, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys don´t get it. The best players will play eventually. It´s a new culture. If you´re spending millions on bad scouting reports, that´s your problem.
by mooncamping on Nov 3, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think any scout is getting paid millions, that’s your problem.
by rufio on Nov 3, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I´m posting way too much here. But I also had DT Tonga Tea, Oklahoma State.
by mooncamping on Nov 2, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tonga Tea would make the All Best Name team…do you have any more like that?
by Roger Dorn on Nov 2, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
look at his list, Bear Woods is pretty good also. imagine a Gillette commercial with Tiger Woods and Bear Woods. mindblowing.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moon, are you secretly Butch Davis with this cast of could be cast-offs?
by L Train on Nov 2, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a one was a Hurricane, so I’d guess that he’s not Butch Davis.
by golanbatrac on Nov 2, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anybody care to make a review and see if any of these guys are actually still playing? Or are they all on their merry way to life as financial advisers/sports medicine guys?
by talonk on Nov 2, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since we’ve never heard of any of them, I’m guessing that they are knee-deep in textbooks as we speak.
by gahnki on Nov 2, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like Bruton. What made you like him?
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, what I meant to say Coach Jimbo. Newbees do have to be a little bit careful around here. But I responded because the draft is always a fun topic, especially in retrospect.
by mooncamping on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because we’re a few months away from it = retrospect. I see.
Draft topics are really dumb-as-hell-until-proven-intelligent. No one here has hindsight over the careers of players who have been in the league for eight games. Fact of the matter, people can use draft talks to either trash our current team or fantasize about what might make us good in dreamland, non-meaningful ways. Meanwhile, I’m not reading in-depth breakdowns of the players we actually do have from anyone outside Pokorny and Rufio. We don’t even have consensus on what needs to fill on the draft.
So why don’t people focus on leveling a critical eye at the squad on the field right now instead of endlessly listing college names of guys “we might look at in the 4th round”? Moving on, please.
by joeee on Nov 2, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And to answer the title of this fanpost, let’s go with a resounding “No” coupled with a response: “why are you spamming our community with this trash”?
by joeee on Nov 2, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love you. You are the only one next to DD who fully agrees with me. So are adamant no, some are kinda yes and maybe no.
Thank you.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have very few problems with your original reply. probably only the all caps. i agree that these type of posts get to be exhausting and will gladly help police them, as a somewhat veteran poster.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 2, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The caps were just pumping my chest a bit and to be noticed.
For me caps doesn’t resonate hate! Please understand this!
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is my first comment on this site. I love the browns, I live in Dallas and try to make it to one Browns game a year. I went to the Chicago game and got interested in reading more in depth perspectives on the game – found your site. Looks like you guys really know what you are talking about, but I have to admit that I was discouraged from participating in your community after reading the response that this ‘noob’ got on this thread – OUCH!
Anyway, can someone tell me why we got criticized for drafting a center? I remember reading some articles that suggested what a bad state we were in because we had to draft a center in the first place. I’m really interested in opinions on this topic, if it needs to be moved to a new thread, I get that.
by wongojack on Nov 2, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about that, either ......
When Mangini was with the Jets, they had two first-round picks and used the second of these to draft Nick Mangold. That has turned out to be a great pick for the Jets and, barring injury, Mangold should be an integral part of their OL for the next decade and beyond.
I also agree with the original poster that Beanie Wells shouldn’t have been dismissed outright. When he has been given some opportunities thus far with Arizona, he has looked very good. I think AZ would do themselves a favor by using him a bit more which would then open things up some more for Warner rather than having Warner throw 50 times every game.
by Jeff I on Nov 2, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I think people are going beyond the normal realms to find faults with the team. Not saying Mangini doesn’t deserve criticism, because he does, but I think that it has been taken to extreme levels. I was happy with the how the first round went for the Browns at least, and happy that we picked up multiple 2nd rounders even if they don’t look particularly promising yet.
Mack has played pretty well so far, and hopefully he and Thomas will anchor a solid line for several years.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 2, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My advice to all noobs is:
1. Read first, and don’t post the first thing that you want to post. For whatever reason, my computer wouldn’t let me post here for a month or two until the site was redesigned, and I’m kinda glad it didn’t.
2. Don’t use LOLspeak or horribly unnecessary punctuation, horribly poor spelling, etc.
3. Back up what you say with facts and logic. If you are stating an opinion, don’t treat your opinion as fact, and be ready for people to disagree with you.
4. If someone does disagree with you or point out a logical or factual error you have made, don’t take it personally. Feel free to disagree with others in a relevant, intelligent, and semi-friendly way.
5. Follow the community guidelines
6. Don’t be a jackass.
If you do all of that, you should be more than welcome here.
As for why we are criticized for drafting a Center:
It has a lot more to do with having to draft a center in the 1st round. Typically, good centers are available beyond the first round. The athletic requirements for playing center are traditionally much easier to meet than left tackle, for instance. There are only so many 315lbers who can pass protect in space like Joe Thomas, but there traditionally have been more players who can play center.
Traditionally, a center can be a little smaller and not as strong as a guard because most teams have played the 4-3 defense, which leaves the center uncovered. Centers have had to be athletic enough to get up to block LBs and strong enough to help double-team DTs or cut-block DTs, but didn’t need to be strong enough to continuously maul a DT one on one.
The 3-4 defense was designed to attack a smaller center and demand a double team of a NT. The 3-4 typically lines a BIG lineman up right over the center, and also typically disguises blitzes more than a 4-3. This means a center who is strong enough to handle NTs one on one and who is smart enough to tell where the blitzes are coming from to adjust the line’s protections is much more valuable today—especially in a division with Baltimore and pittsburgh.
We are hoping Mack is/will be strong enough to handle NTs, smart enough to get the protections right, and athletic enough to block linebackers in space. That kind of linemen is a lot more rare than an old-fashioned center, and worth a 1st rounder in my book.
by rufio on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard. You seem reasonable and can definitely put together a coherent conversation. Follow rufio’s advice and you’ll be fine. Come on in and stay a while - the water is fine, even when the Browns are not!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 2, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was GM I would have drafted superman! Who cares?! A real genius has a sensible idea of where to go from here… and would be realistic about it. SPECIALBROWNIE yelled at me for upsetting a Steelers fan and then turns to this garbage.. bad form man!
by L Train on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The steelers fan was just commenting and was knowledgable.
You MUST get the info straight beofre you post. This situation is completely different from said situation.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 2, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How did I leave “use the reply button” out of my list? I fail.
by rufio on Nov 3, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve activated a new setting, which I’ve been reluctant to do in the past. If a new member registers, they have to wait one day before they can post now. Previously, they could post as soon as they signed up. Maybe it’ll encourage some of the “fly-by-users,” as some of you have complained about, to refrain from posting.
I’ve never activated the setting in the past in fear that some of the members who have molded into great members, especially as of late, would be turned off with the wait and would not return.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re better of with this. You want people who come here over and over again to be the ones contributing. If someone’s been reading this site for a month, finally feels there’s something they need to say, I don’t think 24 hours will keep them from saying it. On the other hand, those who land here from a yahoo sports story, as i’m sure the Kotnkus(sp?) fiasco will bring about, may be deterred from spouting nonsense because of the wait.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Nov 2, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t see any problems with this, either. If someone likes our site and wants to contribute then it shouldn’t hurt them to wait one day to post something. It will help them get used to our site and read what’s already here before posting.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it. One day isn’t too onerous. It’s definitely worth a try.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 2, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you say “post”, do you mean creating FanPosts and FanShots or just posting a comment of any kind?
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 2, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
commenting of any kind, i think. when i joined the go tribe blog, you had to wait a day too.
by emily522 on Nov 2, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I ran into the same thing at LGT during interleague games this year.
by golanbatrac on Nov 2, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it applies to posting or commenting of any kind.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 3, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree we have had a nice influx of good new posters of late.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 2, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely. in fact, i’d say the majority of new members have good, insightful comments and feel passionately about the team while still being sensible. its the few knuckleheads who spout idiotic bullshit that make us skeptical of any new folks. for those who want to join in intelligent discussion, the more the merrier. i’ve been quite impressed with some of the new folks.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will use the reply button and am aware that it is there. I just didn’t think I was replying to a specific comment (other than my own), so I chose not to use it.
by wongojack on Nov 3, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So why didn’t you reply to me yelling at you to reply?
Fail.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 3, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then reply to your own comment
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 3, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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