If Mangini Keeps His Job...
by holmes213 on Nov 10, 2009 1:16 PM EST
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There are a lot of new rumors about the Cleveland Browns right now. I don’t know of any other team that had so much action during their bye week this season. The GM was fired and there is another starting QB secret. Now, throw in Mike Holmgren as a possible Vice-President of Football Operations and there is plenty of spin out there. As it stands right now, Randy Lerner, publically, will not ax his head coach, Eric Mangini. I agree with not mentioning his plan for Mangini now, it would just undermine Coach’s decisions from here on out. Also I think Mangini may need one more year to figure this team out. A lot of people on this site are posting that Brady Quinn was not given enough time to show what he can do before being benched. Isn’t this the same situation with the coach? It is hard to judge someone by their first year coaching. So before calling for his head, let’s give him a chance, unlike how he gave Quinn a chance. That being said, this is a hypothetical post about Mangini returning next season.
Again Hypothetically, Mangini has pulled out 5 wins in the last 8 games. These wins would be against the Lions, Chiefs, and Raiders. I will give the team one more win due to the fact that I believe, to save his job; he needs to win more games than Romeo Crennel did last year. For that reason I have chosen the Bengals, because the Browns played them close in Oct. Now during the off season there will be moves done. First thing is the QB situation. Both Quinn and Derek Anderson will be gone trades and draft picks. I will not get into whom, what, and where but they will be gone. Kellen Clemens will be a free agent (FA) in the offseason and Mangini will pick him and he will be the starter. Clemens is a 2nd round pick out of Oregon and he was Mangini’s 3rd ever draft pick as a head coach. This is his guy that he was going to groom to be his starter. With Clemens starting that would put Bret Ratliff as back up, and then I believe there will be a QB drafted in later rounds. Now that puts to rest the QB controversy, let’s move on to Joshua Cribbs.
I believe that, remember this is Mangini being the head coach next year; Cribbs will be gone next year. And I have justification for that. Based on the situation of contract disputes with Cribbs and the organization and FA, Mangini will get another former Jet and draft pick. He will pick up Leon Washington, who was drafted round 4 in the same year as Clemens. The justification for this move will be, besides he is a former Jet, Washington is a dynamic kick returner and will fill that slot for Cribbs, but also the Browns will be needing a RB due to Jerome Harrison being a free agent in 2010 and Jamal Lewis retiring. This will put the depth chart at James Davis as #1 back and Washington at #2.
I feel with the history of how Mangini has run this Browns team, he will get more New York Jets to move to Cleveland. I wonder what will happen in the Draft but really don’t want to speculate since that has been done way too much. Also it will be over posted come week 17. I honestly think it would be unfair to Mangini not to give him a fair shake at Head Coach because he took over a bad team. We may need to give him time to put his plan into action. And this may, or may not, be that plan.
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I for one am one of the fans who wants Mangini out. I don’t care for him at all. You say we should give him a chance to let his coaching philosophy sink in. I can understand that, but a lot of people have other reasons they don’t like him.
He never seemed to make believers out of a lot of his own players. Most notably look at Rogers and Cribbs; two of the best performing players on the team. How can you walk into a room on more than one occasion and not notice Shaun Rogers? All he wants is a little respect or he turns out to be lazy. Take your pick. Now look at Cribbs. You tell him you won’t work out a new deal with him and he STILL perfoms the way he does? That not only speaks volumes about his character and work ethic but also to the way management does business.
He makes the Browns organization look foolish on a weekly basis and he’s seemingly doing nothing to help. Losing 15 games is very possible and its going to do nothing but continue to make Cleveland the laughing stock of the league.
He’s also doing nothing to help his credentials as a head coach. Lets say Quinn gets a few starts coming out of the bye week and he does terribly, again. Are we going to have to sit through another one of Mangini’s press conference’s where he tells us that only he knows who our starter is; only to start DA and be terrible for a few more games? It doesn’t help team chemistry and it keeps the team’s focus totally out of whack. He’s making himself look stupid.
Mangini is a joke. You guys can rip me for that statement all you want, but if you ask anyone, they’ll tell you the same thing. Mangini is a joke.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 10, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing against your oppinion. In fasct it would not hurt me if they did fire him. I am just saying fair is fair for Quinn complaints and Mangini complaints. let me make myself clear, I have not agreed with what he has done so far, and i think it could be grounds for firing, but i can understand if he keeps his job. about Cribbs, I love to watch him and hope that he stays, but with what is on going I really don’t see that happening. especially with Washinton becoming a FA. I would much rather have Cribbs then Washington.
by holmes213 on Nov 10, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your last sentence is full of contradiction.
rogers had a problem with mangini in the offseason. they like each other now, mangini even calls him by his nickname when talking to the press.
if i were management i wouldn’t have given cribbs a new deal either. what had he proved to them? now, on the other hand, he definitely deserves a new deal, though probably not as high as he’s expecting. he’s a special teamer, nothing more.
by notthatnoise on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand how any fan who has watched this team can actively defend mangini.
It is one thing to say that he inherited a lousy team and deserves a chance… I get that.
But he has done nothing to indicate that he is worthy of any passion of vitriol. i get the feeling that some people get defensive over once backing him.
When he was hired, I said that I thought it was a good move.
I take it back. I was wrong. The Browns have gone from being a bad team to being a league-wide joke. Obviously not all the coach’s fault, but he certainly deserves some of the blame.
If he is fired at the end of the season, who actually thinks that he’d ever get another head coaching job?
by Pruitt on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d disagree. The team was already basically a league-wide joke. Since coming back to the NFL, the Browns have lived in the sub-mediocre basement (excluding the playoff season and maybe the 10-6 season… which most have discounted as a product of a powder-puff schedule). We’ve muffed almost every single high draft pick we’ve had. We’ve gained an identity as a team that is consistently bad, cycles through a head coach every 3 years, has a quarterback controversy almost every single year, and is just generally not competitive. The recent problems have consisted of having a soft coach, undisciplined players, quarterback problems, and whiney/stupid players. Oh yes… We’re still losing (surprise?). In my opinion, since you can’t just bring in a coach and say “Here. We suck as a team. Your job is to turn us completely around and make us into winners in less than a year. Have fun.” Mangini is doing a good job. He’s not soft (say what you will about ridiculous fines, but if I get docked $1,700 for stealing a water bottle (which, might I add, stealing is still against the law) then I’m going to be cleaning up my act), our team is more disciplined now than it is in years (1st in the NFL in penalties), we still have QB problems (which could probably be expected), and we don’t have whiney/stupid players anymore (Winslow and Edwards exit stage left).
In my opinion, if we’re going to lose over half of our games anyway, I couldn’t care less whether we win 4 games or 3 games or even 1 game at this point. I think Mangini is working for the long term to build a team that we can be proud of and that can produce wins. I hope to God that management has the sense to look at recent history and see that the sunken ship that is the Browns will take a little longer than a year to bring back to a competitive level.
by shep615 on Nov 15, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really don’t think the Jets will let Washington get away… With Thomas Jones getting well along in years, the Jets will need to have a replacement in place for him one way or the other. If I’m calling the shots for the Jets then I don’t want to start over completely at RB when Jones runs out of steam because (as much of a feel an Ohioan can have about this) I have a feeling the Jets are under pressure to win now, not set themselves back. I haven’t looked at the probable draft class at RB, but I am guessing that the prospects at RB that would be ready to start right away in the NFL will be taken by the time the Jets are on the clock. So if I’m calling the shots, I would want to stick with Washington who has been with the Jets for a while and has talent at the position.
As far as Cribbs… I don’t know why we don’t give him a new contract already. He’s the best player on our team and riots would probably break out if we let him go.
Oh gosh I hope Mangini doesn’t bring over Clemens. I don’t see him as being much of an upgrade over Quinn (admittedly I haven’t seen him play, but I guess that’s part of my point). I think (pending Quinn’s performance during the rest of the year) both Quinn and DA will be gone. But I hope whoever comes in as Prez of Football Operations or whatever his title is will keep Mangini and make a smarter decision at QB than Clemens. Personally, I wouldn’t mind picking up a stud QB in the draft. Or signing Micheal Vick, maybe (?) (how terribly ironic would it be if Vick played for the Dawg Pound?)
by shep615 on Nov 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Vick, please. I mean, REALLY, no Vick. Seriously.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
vick + dawg pound= ummmm…
plus, i hate him.
by emily522 on Nov 10, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they drafted shonn greene … i dont think they are that worried about their RB situation
by jsneides on Nov 10, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why no Vick? I’d guess RDC thinks Vick stinks as a QB. RDC would be correct. Unless RDC thinks Vick is just a bad human being. RDC would be correct then too.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 10, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vick + Dawg Pound = Redemption for animals
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 10, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Browns fans will wager on how long it’ll be before he’s ripped apart by opposing defenses, and if that fails, will dismember him themselves?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s happened to the rest of our quarterbacks, Vick would be no exception.
by Simmsinns on Nov 10, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but Vick would deserve it.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 11, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A year and a half in prison, financial collapse, heartache for him and his family, (likely his football career)… all this wasn’t enough punishment? For fighting and killing dogs? I strongly disagree. The state disagrees. But you want to know the real reason dog fighting is illegal? Because government can’t tax it. A lot of people have this convoluted idea that is something to do with “animal rights.” Most of them don’t care about animal rights, if they did, they’d have revamped the farming industry long ago, the practices their are often far worse than any act committed by Vick, and for them it’s an everyday thing. No, it’s about money and power. They don’t realistically have a way to tax the income made from the bets and pup sales, nor can they regulate it. Money, Power. It’s the same reason homemade moonshine is illegal.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I think what he did was terrible, and very stupid. He deserved punishment. He got too much IMO. I value the life of animals all similarly. Should dogs get preferential treatment over farm animals, because they have a history as our pets, “mans best friend?” Again dog fighting is a disgusting sport, and should and is punishable by law, but 23 months in jail, and loss of nearly everything that is important to you, is taking it to far, and you’ve got to remember why the state cares. Tax, regulate:money, power. It really is that simple. Either way, he payed his debt and deserves a second chance. I’d love for him to be a very successful QB in the future for an NFL team (that I don’t hate), but at this point, while not impossible, doesn’t seem likely.
Now, I’m not trying at all to be political. This is entirely a “bipartisan” post, simply discussing the crime associated with the Vick case.
by Simmsinns on Nov 11, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If dogs tasted good, we’d be calling him Chef Vick.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 11, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no pork in the mu xu pork.
by golanbatrac on Nov 11, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 11, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, I’m not trying at all to be political. This is entirely a "bipartisan" post, simply discussing the crime associated with the Vick case.
Rather late for that, seeing as you’ve just dragged in national alcohol policy, taxation theory, criminal justice philosophy, vegetarianism, and I’m sure more that I missed. (Heh.)
While I suspect you and I could fill an entire web site with this discussion, I’m not sure if this is really the place for an at-length dissertation on the Vick affair, which is already a bit stale dated.
I’m at peace with Vick’s criminal punishment, but I have very little respect for him as a human being. His awesome record beyond extensive abuse of animals for pure enjoyment (not food) includes large illegal gambling operations, idiotic drug use, and lying to multiple investigators of same and the paying public as well. Not the sort of person I want on my team, or indeed, in my presence.
And you know, that was a joke back there, mostly.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Valid point, and I respect your opinion on the matter, but disagree whether he truly deserves a second chance, such as through my support if were to ever become a successful member of this organization.
Although, at this point I think it’d be a mistake to pick him up if the Eagles were to release him. I think he no longer has what it takes to start the quarterback position without a ton of improvement.
by Simmsinns on Nov 11, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate that.
You really do have to separate Vick’s personal issues and how you feel about them from his utility as a player. I was never that taken with him in the past. I think it’s hard to judge what he’s got left now from the disjointed bits and pieces we’ve seen of him this year, but he seems to be slowing down. Beyond that, who knows.
I’d like us to sign someone who isn’t so much of a dice roll at QB!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 11, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like us to sign someone who isn’t so much of a dice roll at QB!
I could not agree more!
by Simmsinns on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m at peace with Vick’s criminal punishment, but I have very little respect for him as a human being. His awesome record beyond extensive abuse of animals for pure enjoyment (not food) includes large illegal gambling operations, idiotic drug use, and lying to multiple investigators of same and the paying public as well. Not the sort of person I want on my team, or indeed, in my presence.
well said.
by emily522 on Nov 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
while I agree with most of that, I do believe in him receiving a 2nd chance in terms of becoming a better human being. I can’t begin to fathom growing up with the surroundings (family, neighborhood, overall culture) in which you’re not taught that those things (i.e., dogfighting) are wrong. While it may seem simple to you and me, it’s only because we were brought up to respect others. Not everyone is raised in that environment.
All that being said, Vick’s efforts to make amends with ASPCA and other animal rights organizations appear to be genuine and sincere, although only time and action will tell if they really are.
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by rolub on Nov 11, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am typically skeptical about “I was raised in….” arguments. I think I’d be more sympathetic here if Vick hadn’t exhibited a whole range of idiotic behaviors besides dog fighting itself. I too appreciate Vick’s work with animal rights groups, although it’s certainly what any halfway decent PR flack would tell him to do.
All that said, I don’t really begrudge Vick a second chance; he served his time and now can and should move on. (Now whether he deserves a second chance in the NFL, at 1.5 million or more a year, is another story.) Hopefully, he’s a changed man.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 11, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t buy into the whole “raised in” thing, either.
i hope vick’s apologies and reaching out to animal rights groups are sincere as well. i hope he’s changed also. i may really dislike him, but i do agree that he deserves a second chance.
but just don’t make it be with the browns.
by emily522 on Nov 11, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet vick comes to cleveland
with Tony Dungy as our GM……..
by SipedUp on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in other news, 5 pigs were seen hovering over cleveland this morning…
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 12, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Swine flu
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 12, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm… I will admit, I hadn’t looked at Vick’s stats until now. They are pretty bad. But on the other hand, he has a 42.1 QB rating, which is roughly 6 points higher than our seemingly most recent former starting quarterback… But that doesn’t exactly say he’d be a good pick, but rather that DA needs to go.
OK, Vick to the Browns might not be such a solid idea. Unless the thinking is to draft a QB and have a situation where he could battle with someone for the starting job or play as a backup.
But I guess in thinking about it a little more… Nah. Not worth the risk.
by shep615 on Nov 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vick’s QB rating this season has to be completely irrelevant and not a factor in the decision.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 10, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of Vick’s success at QB always had to do with his ability to scramble. In my memory, I recall him throwing with the same accuracy of DA… 3 feet over, 4 feet ahead, or 2 feet in front of a receiver.
And in seeing some of the snaps Vick has had this year, he looks like he’s lost a step or five.
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by rolub on Nov 10, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. He was DA with serious wheels and a slightly stronger arm. Now that he isn’t as fast, he really isn’t a viable starting QB. I don’t think he ever was because he just was so darn inaccurate. But I do think he can stick around the league for another handful of years. Especially with the Wild Cat being such a big part of NFL offenses.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 10, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks DD. Right on both counts. Add to that not being able to tell how much he might really have left because he’s being thrown on to the field this year at random intervals, and you’ve got a perfect storm of thanks-but-no-thanks.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t rebuild an organization with a QB on the downhil slide, who wasn’t a spectacular QB before a prison term.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 10, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you do if tony dungy comes with him
and that would be well worth it for the future of our organization
by SipedUp on Nov 12, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Comparison
I cannot disagree more on your quote below:
“A lot of people on this site are posting that Brady Quinn was not given enough time to show what he can do before being benched. Isn’t this the same situation with the coach? "
People feel BQ was shortchanged because he wasn’t given enough opportunities to play. Especially vs. DA’s situation. Mangini has gotten an opportunity to coach every game. He has never been yanked.
by realmccoy on Nov 10, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mangini has gotten an opportunity to coach every game. He has never been yanked.
Poor cherry to pick. The Browns have 3 QBs at their disposal on any given Sunday. They only have 1 head coach available at a time.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Nov 10, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention you can’t keep getting players throughout the year. New FA for the most part only happen once a year. He has only one, he can only do what he can with the players he has for the season.
by holmes213 on Nov 10, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
coaches need multiple seasons to be evaluated, most players can be evaluated after one or two. brady is in his 3rd.
by notthatnoise on Nov 11, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont really know what going to happen with the QB situation but it could be a possibility that both QB’s could be gone. I think it is fair to say that at least one of them is going to be gone. As for Mangini wanting Clemens i dont know what his reasoning behind it would be if he couldn’t beat out a rookie QB this preseason which leads me to believe that he is heading for taking a QB in first round of the draft.
As for Josh Cribbs i dont know how you could let go your best offensive threat without getting anything in return. With how Mangini has been operating i would think thats what he would do, stock pile more draft picks if he was going to keep him around, but i could be mistaken.
by franklinbrownie41 on Nov 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I assume it would be a trade for Picks, but i was not speculating on that part. Simply that he would be gone. I would assume he would be traded for mid level draft picks, to include players. Possibly to the Raiders, Bengles, or Lions. Theses teams do not have great returners.
by holmes213 on Nov 10, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn’t get rid of Cribbs for nothing. He is under contract through 2012.
by rufio on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. And more to the point, under contract until 2012 at a very reasonable price. I really don’t think any other team would sign him as anything other than a special teamer. I suppose somebody out there might like the idea of adding him for his wildcat potential, but I think that the money he gets here is probably about the most he can hope for.
Besides, Mangini says he likes versatile players, Cribbs is versatile, so why drop him? There’s no reason to drop Cribbs just because he wants to add Washington, especially if you are figuring on losing Lewis and Harrison for 2010.
by JustBob on Nov 11, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we should trade cribbs
for KEvin Kolb…..hes the qb of the future in this league!
by SipedUp on Nov 12, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to lie. The thought of Kellen Clemens as our QB next year makes me very sad.
by dgcambridge on Nov 10, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“sad” doesn’t do that possibility justice. i’d say severely depressing.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 10, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll trade for Mark Sanchez.
Probably Ratliff, Coleman and Elam and a 2nd round pick.
That sounds fair.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 10, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’d make that trade.
by golanbatrac on Nov 10, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini was laughing his ass off in his office that night guaranteed.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 10, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we’ll see anywhere close to the number of ex-Jets we’ve seen thus far. Mangini wanted to bring in high character guys who work hard and are good pros. He knew he could get a bunch of them from the Jets. Check. Done. Sure, we might pick up one or two, but they will have to be good players and good guys. Plus we have 11 draft picks to get on next year’s roster.
I think if Cribbs shuts his mouth and prepares like a pro for a substantial amount of time he will get his money.
by rufio on Nov 11, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think cribbs gets his money from the browns this offseason or he is traded to a team that will give it to him.
by notthatnoise on Nov 11, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Cribbs keeps doing what he is doing, then he deserves a new contract before next season.
He played the role of the good solider this season. He deserves his pay day. He better not get Hester type money, but a raise is due.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 11, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree that a raise is due—when you look at his performance on the field—but you can’t set the precedent that someone gets a raise after talking to the media and having their agent talk to the media.
I’d like to see him go 1 calendar year without talking about his contract situation to the media before he gets his raise. And I agree, no Devin Hester money. Hester has actually been a decent fantasy option for me at WR this year. Cribbs is nowhere close to putting up those kinds of numbers as a WR.
by rufio on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nor has he been used properly in that role to let him showcase what ability he does have, it seems to me.
Oh, and he’s working with our QBs. Enough said.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 12, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why doe we want more jets players
their team is mediocre at best…..
by SipedUp on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying we need more, but history shows Mangini wants his guys he drafted and brought in. He thought highly of them before, why wouldn’t he do so now?
by holmes213 on Nov 12, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think Crennel brought in Mcginest and such?
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so… who is happy we didn’t give up a bunch of picks for jay cutler?
by emily522 on Nov 13, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Terrible game indeed, but I am not off the bandwagon. I think he will get better particularly when the Bears get an NFL caliber O Line.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 13, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i still wouldn’t have wanted the browns to give up 2 first rounders, a third rounder, and kyle orton for him. josh mcdaniels looks like a genius now.
by emily522 on Nov 13, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I also would not want Kyle Orton.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
neither would i. but even without orton, 2 first rounders and a third rounder are way too much.
by emily522 on Nov 13, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys will keep Mangini untill the end of the season
to maintain what little bit of stability the Browns have left, Ax him in the off season, and hire Billick or that other guys that worked for the Buccaneers a couple of years ago that is now an analysist. We all know these two guys will come back eventually, so take your pick.
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
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