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So much for the lone voice theory.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 14, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The team was chanting his name during this? Wow, good luck ever finding a job again.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 15, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wait, good luck who?

by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 15, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mangini

by Roger Dorn on Nov 15, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m confused, how is this a story?

Lewis backtracks.

At some point during the last two weeks some of his teammates chanted his name.

Mangini says the practices are fine.

by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 15, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Lewis backtracked, but the teammates were showing their support for his comments by chanting his name. The connection was not direct, but it certainly seems implicit to me. My take is that the teammates chanting his name have problems with Mangini. I don’t see any other explanation.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 15, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who were the teammates though? How many? Did anyone throw a phantom punch, get hit with a bucket of ice or not pay for a bottle of water? Were any murals destroyed?

by golanbatrac on Nov 15, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Really? You think that the media is “making this up” also?

I can understand skepticism over one or two stories, but this is about the 10th instance of problems in the locker room. Now the Players Union is headed to Cleveland to snoop around. The only thing worse than the play on the field right now may be the locker room.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 15, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I absolutely think this is a non-story. There was no actual connection in the article between what Lewis said a few days ago and some combination of teammates chanting his name at some point during the past 2 weeks. None. These guys are around eachother every day. There are plenty of other, non-related scenarios that would lead to some of the guys chanting Jamal’s name.

Maybe this was in direct response to the practice comments, but that wasn’t made clear at all by this brief article. I am naturally skeptical of a story that leaves such huge factual connections up to the reader’s imagination.

Also, I could care less. I’m so anti-Lewis right now. His comments were so amateur, unprofessional, disrespectful, and childish. I hope he is benched the rest of the year and cut before he has a chance to hand in his retirement papers. If other underachieving vets feel the same? Cut their asses too. If Lewis has gotten to the younger guys, suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team.

Even if I make the leap that Mangini has totally lost the team, and that he should be fired after the season (a leap I may make anyway)- Lewis’ comments are way more outrageous at this point.

by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 16, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Recommended. Media skepticism is your friend. I posted a link below that does have more info about this.

FWIW, among the players chanting were Robert “Hands of Stone” Royal. Bah. He can carry Lewis’ bags to his car as far as I’m concerned, and then keep walking.

I too am really down on Lewis at this point.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 16, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would anyone chant his name after he said as a team leader that it is not his job to inform the coach that he feels his teammates are over worked?

So much for being a good team mate that he can’t even go and voice to his coach about this but can run to the first reporter he can find and cry to him?

by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 16, 2009 8:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

You can find more detailed information on this “incident” – if you want to call it that – here:

http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/70071987.html

Worthwhile reading. Royal and Vickers are named as chanters, although whether this had anything to do with Lewis’ comments is disputed….

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 16, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

“Among the loudest” concerning the chanters. Which implies that it was more than Royal and Vickers. I still think it’s clear he has his teammates backing. Climbed on a chair to help lead cheers? I think we are living in denial if we don’t think this support is mostly team-wide and referring directly to Lewis’s comments about Mangini. There is really no other explanation.

I am always a media skeptic, but I don’t see a simpler explanation this time.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

simpler explanation:

Royal insisted later that the outburst had nothing to do with Lewis’ remarks.

‘’I think we had a good practice and guys were having a little fun messing around with him,’’ Royal said.

by golanbatrac on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he said this directly to the media because he doesn’t want it to escalate further. That comment does nothing to satisfy my fear that the majority of players do not respect the coach.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

To me, that sounds very plausible. Actually, sounds like they were ribbing Lewis for being such an idiot earlier in the week. And since this “story” came out the same time as Lewis’ backtracking, it sounds like Lewis is kinda embarrassed about the situation.

by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 16, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope so, I am just skeptical.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s my take on it as well. But then, I’m an optimist six days a week and a pessimist on gameday, so who knows…

by golanbatrac on Nov 16, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am usually like this, but it’s tough.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As with most of these things, I think it’s very difficult for an outsider to tell if something is light hearted kidding or serious rebellion. It’s worth hearing the full details as reported, though.

I thought Magini’s comments in that piece were pretty reasonable:

Asked whether he was disappointed by Lewis’ remarks, Mangini said: ‘’I think everybody expresses themselves in different ways. Everybody has the right to express themselves. What I’m always looking for is communication with me directly. The office is open. That’s not a slogan. That’s not something you check off your list. I’ve had a lot of great conversations with players. . .and the more you talk, the better you understand each other.’’

In other words, I wish that twerp had come to me about this first, but I’m not going to get all outraged over it .

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who knows, maybe this inspires the offense. They have been playing without much heart – could this give them a little extra focus?

Being optimistic, this makes me think of the final scene in My Cousin Vinny:

“Win some, lose some… Your locker room methods might be unorthodox but I would be honored to have you coach my team anytime.” (or something to that effect)

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Nov 16, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs