Gruden to Stay on MNF

by holmes213 on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 AM EST Comment 35 comments

ESPN Radio's Mike and Mike in the Morning announced that Jon Gruden just signed a multi-year contract to keep contributing to MNF. For Browns fans this might be a bit depressing. There has been some slight speculation that if Mike Holmgren accepted the job with Cleveland, that he would bring in Jon Gruden as a coach. With this recent news there, the only remaining "big name" coaches not under contract are Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher. As for the Browns it would leave Shanahan, as Cowher would rather not coach against the Steelers. So here is to the future and another possible year with Mangini as head coach.

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Gruden always had trouble developing a young QB throughout his head coaching career, so I have no issue with this at all.

Here are his QBs while he was coach with the Raiders:

Donald Hollas
Wade Wilson
Jeff George
Rich Gannon
Bobby Hoying
Marques Tuiasosopo

And with the Bucs:

Brad Johnson
Rob Johnson
Shaun King
Brian Griese
Chris Simms
Bruce Gradkowski
Tim Rattay
Jeff Garcia
Luke McCown
And don’t forget he attain the rights to Jake Plummer before Plummer retired.

This is a very poor list of ineffective QBs and a revolving door of vets, which the Browns do not need at all.

Bring in a coach who can develop a young QB (whether it is Quinn or not) since this is one of the most important positions that the Browns need right now.

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by theW0LF on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Rich Gannon won an MVP as QB for the Raiders

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gannon was not a young QB.

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by theW0LF on Nov 16, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

come on. he won a superbowl with Brad Johnson. those guys didn’t develop because they are as untalented as anyone looking at that list of names would originally think.

by L Train on Nov 16, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Correction, Gruden won a Super Bowl with defense not offense.

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by theW0LF on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They did not win the Super Bowl on Offense alone, no one ever has.
As we viewed last night there has to be some kind of offense to win games, as the 02 Bucs had Keyshawn, Alstott, McCardell, Jurevicious, and even 2002 Michael Pittman is a better selection at RB than anyone the Browns have. Even the Ravens had a hall of fame TE and J-Lew to keep the ball moving and keep the D off the field. No one wins the championship with one side of the ball and to say such a thing is moronic.

by L Train on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

*defense

by L Train on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Point was that the young QBs behind Gannon weren’t going to get any time ahead of him.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And my point is that Gruden can’t develop a future QB to save his life.

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by theW0LF on Nov 16, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe that’s because he wasn’t given a young QB with enough talent to develop. Look at that list — are there any young QB’s on there who people thought would be good in the NFL? Maybe Chris Simms, but he hasn’t done anything in the league for any other team.

Jon Gruden didn’t develop a future QB not because he’s bad at developing QB’s but because he never had a young QB who was talented enough to play in the NFL. Now, maybe part of that is Gruden’s fault (I have no idea how much influence he had in personnel moves) but it’s not a coaching problem.

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 16, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is my line of thinking. Gruden didn’t have a good young QB.

Anyone who could win 8 games with the Bucs last season can coach.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 16, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gruden always had trouble developing a young QB throughout his head coaching career,

In Oakland, they were happy with Gannon’s performance and didn’t even draft a QB until Gruden’s final year, 2001. I think it’s unfair to say that he failed to develop a young QB, as Hoying is the only young QB he had time to work with, and they were probably more concerned with winning with Gannon during that time.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Nov 16, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

reply fail.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Nov 16, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Simms was the only young QB with potential before he had health issues.

Of course Oakland was happy with Gannon, he won the MVP one year and took them to the Super Bowl.

Gruden still could never develop a young QB even at Tampa and he always had a revolving door of QB vets because QB development is his achilles heel.

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by theW0LF on Nov 16, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What does the argument even matter? He is staying with MNF. Why argue over QB development, when he is not going to do anything to even try to develop a QB.

by holmes213 on Nov 16, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t care about developing a young Qb, I care about winning. Gruden has done that even with Jeff Garcia lining up behind center.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I care about a young QB that can lead this team for many years.

You can have your revolving door of cast-off aging QBs with Gruden and have the sense of instability at QB every time he would change to the next vet.

No thanks.

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by theW0LF on Nov 16, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Truthfully I am not even a big Gruden fan I just am impressed with the way his teams had won with what seemed to be sub-par Quarterbacks.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 16, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True that he did win with mediocre QBs, but he did have defenses that were very, very good too.

I would love to have him whip the Browns’ defense in shape if we didn’t have Rob Ryan, who I think is a very good DC but he needs more talent on the field to execute the defense he wants.

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by theW0LF on Nov 16, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if we can win a superbowl with a QB castoff signed to 1-year, then sign me the fuck up. i’ll enjoy the ride and talk about it for years while we’re still trying to develop a QB.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Nov 16, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nailed it.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 16, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It honestly wouldn’t matter how mediocre the QB was, if he brought a Super Bowl win to Cleveland, he would be worshiped and adored.

by Chief WaDrew on Nov 16, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Amen to that. Might be nice to have a team structured so that who’s at QB isn’t even that big of an issue….

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 16, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think that this means much.

I would be shocked if Gruden turned a coaching deal down. I am sure that this contract has some sort of escape clause.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 16, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking the same thing… I’m pretty sure that these deals to do commentary from former coaches and players have ways out if they want to return to the game. Can anyone confirm?

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Nov 16, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m almost certain they would. I highly doubt that Gruden would eliminate himself from the possibility of coaching for three years.

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 16, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gruden signed a 1 year deal with MNF before this season.

I think the deal is more about him staying with MNF if he can’t get a coaching job. Like Gahnki said, a safety net.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 17, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly. This is just a safety net for Gruden- the money he makes on MNF is peanuts compared to what he would make as a head coach.

by gahnki on Nov 16, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Let’s just hire Gruden and get it over with.

by gahnki on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

last night gruden kept saying things like “if i return to coaching” and he seemed to have a man-crush on brady quinn, so i’d say he’s an option

by notthatnoise on Nov 17, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Gruden has a man crush on everyone.

We have a head coach.

by golanbatrac on Nov 17, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We have a head coach.

Exactly. I love the guy, I think he can still be a successful, and maybe even a good fit in Cleveland (I think that growing up as a fan would give him a bit of added passion)… But I want to get to the place where we win and have a respectable team. I think we need to stick with Mangini and give him a fair chance at building a team with some talent.

That isn’t to say, though, that if we fire Mangini and hire Gruden that I would be altogether dissapointed. I think it would be a set-back to the development of the team, but whatevs. I’ve been a fan for 10 years and I’ve experienced 1 winning team with a powder-puff schedule. So I’m more or less used to being set back and not winning.

by shep615 on Nov 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that second paragraph is exactly what i meant. i firmly believe mangini deserves at least one more season, but i wouldn’t be angry if we hired gruden.

by notthatnoise on Nov 17, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs