GOT NUMBERS? Analyzing the Detroit Lions vs. the Cleveland Browns
Ugh. According to Advanced NFL Stats, the Browns are 32nd in total team efficiency and the Lions are 31st (Football Outsiders actually has the Lions 32nd, Raiders 31st, and the Browns 30th). This will be a game played by two of the most terrible teams in the NFL. Is this year's version of the Browns the worst in team history? That sounds like a post I might write during the offseason. For now, we get to preview an awful football game.
I'll repeat my explanation from last week:
A quick note about the stats I'm going to use in this regular column. The full explanation can be found here. Basically, Football Outsiders uses the data from every play and finds the league average (adjusting for yards gained in the redzone, touchdowns scored, and the down and distance- so a 3 yard TD run on 3rd-and-1 from the 3 means a lot more than a 3 yard run on 3rd-and-15 from your own 20.) Then it rates players and teams based on their relation to this league average. The result is meaningful rate stats. They are akin to league adjusted stats in baseball, like OPS+ and ERA+. DVOA is the most common stat they use and 0.0 is exactly league average. A 10.0% DVOA for a QB means a QB that is 10.0% better than average. -15.0% DVOA means 15% below average for a QB. For defensive numbers they are reversed, so negative numbers are better.
Got all that? No? Well, then trust me when I say, higher positive numbers are good for offensive players and lower or negative numbers are good for defenses. 0.0% is always average.
Going forward, I'll just link the Football Outsiders explanation of their stats. Also, see my waiver/caveat about using these stats here.
Now onto the Battle of Lake Erie: Regular Season Edition.
When you think of the 2009 Detroit Lions, you think of Calvin Johnson, a rookie QB, and a bunch of crap. This makes me wonder, what do the Lion fans say about us? Probably "Shaun Rogers, Josh Cribbs, and a bunch of crap." Let's see what the numbers say.
Detroit is pretty awful on offense, their offensive efficiency is 30th in the league, with a DVOA of -29.0%. They are really bad in the passing game (-36.2%, 30th in the league). Matthew Stafford and his 6 TDs and 12 INTs are struggling through his rookie year (-33.1 DVOA, 36th among the 40 QBs with over 75 attempts. In case you wondering Derek Anderson is 38th and Brady Quinn is 39th by this measure, only better than JaMarcus Russell). The bad QB play has meant a down year for star Detroit WR Calvin Johnson. His 52% catch rate is very average and his DVOA is a really bad -21.2% or 69th among qualified WRs. I do think that DVOA stats for WRs are skewed by the quality of QBs throwing these passes and I'm sure Johnson is getting safetys rolled his way and outright double teams pretty consistently. But whether it is a failure of the coaching staff, the QB play, or Johnson himself, someone that talented needs to have more than 1 TD. After a pretty solid week, the Browns defense now ranks 26th against the pass in DVOA at 20.3%. However, we have struggled specifically in defending passes to TEs (31st in the league with a DVOA 36.2%. So look out for TE Brandon Pettigrew, who doesn't have great numbers, but is a rookie who may be improving. Just two weeks ago he had 7 receptions for 70 yds and a TD. A weakness to exploit is getting to Stafford. The Lions' allowed sack rate is 10%, 30th in the league. The Browns are ok at getting to the QB (6.3% sack rate good for 21st in the league).
The Lions have fared a little better running the ball (-6.1% DVOA, 23rd). Still, Kevin Smith has taken a step back from his rookie year, where he ran for a league average-y 8 TDs, and 4.1 YPC and -0.5% DVOA. This year he has just 3 TDs, 3.4 YPC and an awful -15.0% DVOA- 31st in the league. The Browns have struggled against the run though (29th in the league at 12.5% DVOA) so, even a bad running game could find holes. It seems like those holes are more apparent when the defense wears down after long drives and in the second half due to our offense's ineptitude.
Detroit's defense is bad. They rank 30th in the NFL at 20.2% DVOA. Their pass defense is the real problem, ranking 31st in the NFL at a very bad 34.5% DVOA. However, they are actually better than average and, dare I say, good at defending passes to #1 WRs (11th in the league at -6.0%). So I guess if the Browns are going to have success through the air (ha), it will probably be to Robiskie (!), Furrey, or the TEs/RBs/FBs. Not that the Browns are good at doing any of that. Though Brady Quinn did seem to have a little rapport with slot receiver Mike Furrey. One thing though, Quinn should have a little more time to make decisions: The Lions rank 30th in adjusted sack rate at 4.5%. (The Browns pass protection is 22nd in the league). The Lions are better against the run, -1.5% DVOA. So Jamal Lewis' break out game will have to wait another week... or lifetime.
Special Teams. After a bad week, the Browns fell to 2nd overall (to the Vikings) in special team efficiency. Now without Zastudil and perhaps Cribbs, the strength of this team has turned into another big question mark. The Browns are still 1st in punt returns and 4th in kickoff returns in DVOA. The Lions are awful. They are 30th overall and 31st in kick coverage. So hopefully some good field position for our terrible offense is possible.
It'll be an ugly game. But it should be evenly matched. Mangini needs some good news, and the Lions might be just what the doctor ordered. But if the Browns lose, it could be the nail in his coffin. If the Browns suck on offense, the calls for Daboll's head will reach new levels.
My prediction: Browns 17 Lions 9. Most scoring will be set up by the defenses. Quinn should have a little time and look better. The defense has been playing pretty well, and should be able to shut down Stafford and Co. Maybe they can even score a TD.
All DVOA numbers and rankings are thanks to Football Outsiders.
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This is likely going to be a close game, but for all of the wrong reasons. The 2 worst teams in the NFL facing off. If anyone besides a Brown or Lions fan is tuning in to watch this game, he/she can’t seriously be called a football fan.
If the Browns are the same noncompetitive team they’ve been all year against the Lions, I won’t be surprised to see a change in head coaching come Monday. Either way, in my opinion, a loss to the Lions destroys any remaining credibility Mangini may have as a head coach, and will result in his termination.
by Browns town on Nov 19, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If anyone besides a Brown or Lions fan is tuning in to watch this game, he/she can’t seriously be called a football fan.
Either that or they have a very serious gambling problem.
http://www.nba.com/media/cavaliers/come_on_cavs.mp3
by johnnyphoenix on Nov 19, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If that’s not desperate, I don’t know what is.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 20, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its the oppisite end of the spectrum from last weeks Colts v. Pats. The best football games come from evenly matched teams. This will make game of the week on NFL
Network.
by holmes213 on Nov 20, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either that or he/she is Eric Berry.
by dgcambridge on Nov 20, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you think of the 2009 Detroit Lions, you think of Calvin Johnson, a rookie QB, and a bunch of crap. This makes me wonder, what do the Lion fans say about us? Probably “Shaun Rogers, Josh Cribbs, and a bunch of crap.” Let’s see what the numbers say.
This was amazing.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 19, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stephanie Spielman, the wife of former Buckeye, Lion and Brown Chris Spielman died today.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/19/stefanie-spielman-dies-at-42/
I think the Browns and Lions should wear the pink shoes and gloves for this weekends game. The Buckeyes should do something as well.
by golanbatrac on Nov 19, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Browns and Lions should wear the pink shoes and gloves for this weekends game. The Buckeyes should do something as well.
agreed.
by emily522 on Nov 19, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very sad news. A tribute of some sort by the Browns/Lions would be very appropriate.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 19, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, they should do some sort of tribute
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Nov 20, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This could very well end up being Quinn’s coming out party. After facing some of the toughest defense before getting yanked (and causing some very loud profanities to be shouted at my tv) I’ll be deeply relieved if Quinn comes out and has at least a decent game against Detroit, as he should.
by BrownDawg1409 on Nov 19, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just hope he doesn’t get complacent. Nothing should be took for granted.
by skipkirk on Nov 19, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how he could possibly get complacent at this point.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coming out is a very difficult decision. Quinn should only come out when he is ready, and if he chooses to do so at Detroit…then I applaud his courage.
http://www.nba.com/media/cavaliers/come_on_cavs.mp3
by johnnyphoenix on Nov 20, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha that is priceless.
Hey... Cleveland happens.
by zdub1983 on Nov 20, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
these brownies are close to something….i don’t think i could handle it if they don’t put up at least a 14 spot on the hapless lions
by KBizzle on Nov 19, 2009 10:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
my prediction is 17-14 Browns on a last second FG by Dawson
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Nov 20, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When we leave, don´t forget to throw a sack over Ernie Sims, and abduct him to Cleveland.
by mooncamping on Nov 20, 2009 7:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Calvin Johnson has struggled in part due to some leg injuries. I think that explains at least in part some of his struggles.
He is really the biggest thing we have to worry about, as he is almost 100% healthy now.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 9:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
wide receivers never really worry me that much, they have to rely on the quarterback to get them the ball, and matthew stafford isn’t very good at that.
by notthatnoise on Nov 20, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wright is a pretty good corner, but he will look tiny against CJ. If the lions get in the Red Zone they have a good chance to score on the corner fade.
by holmes213 on Nov 20, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
week after week the browns are predicted to score double digits but it doesn’t happen. I doubt if it happens this week either
by Rocland on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
an offensive TD would be nice though.
by holmes213 on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but they haven’t played a defense so inept all season. Plus, like I said, I expect most of the scoring to be set up by the defense. The defense hasn’t gotten a chance to play an offense as crappy as the Lions either.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 20, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, we should have the advantage defensively, but I don’t know if that will help. The Lions actually have some talented guys on offense, which I think makes them the favorite.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Johnson? I mean Bryant Johnson is alright. Kevin Smith is pretty blah, especially this year. Their line is vulnerable. Like I said, Pettigrew has a shot for a good game. But it comes down to Stafford, and he just doesn’t seem ready to play in the league.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 20, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have Kevin Smith.
by dgcambridge on Nov 20, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I meant basically they have a very promising 2nd year WR, a young talented TE and a first round QB (doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but dude at least has a cannon.)
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whcih is more than the Browns can say on offense
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My prediction…
Browns 3 Lions 20
No offense = No win
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Nov 20, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well the Browns are statistically horrible on both sides of the ball. The offense is approaching several all-time NFL lows. We are also away which doesn’t help.
But….
We beat Buffalo away. I give our defense a high probability of sacking/hurrying Stafford. This year he has 12 interceptions and 6 TDs. We may be looking at a defensive score or at least a turn-over or two deep in our own territory so I’m going to pull out all of the stops and predict:
Browns 9 Lions 6
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Nov 20, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s sad that things have come to this. We are making realistic projections of the Browns only putting 9 points up against a pathetic Lions team, and those points are coming off of turnovers in Lions territory. FML.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
by Browns town on Nov 20, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, that’s how I see it too. I don’t expect any offensive TDs unless the Lions turn the ball over inside their own 30 on more than one occasion. If the Browns get 2-3 chances to start inside the Lions 30, I hope that they can score at least once. Notice I said hope…not expect. Hoo boy.
by drjeo on Nov 20, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, if we’re going for predictions, I think we score three touchdowns on offense. I really do. I know we’re bad, but we can’t really but this bad. 3 touchdowns on offense. I think we’ll see that Daboll and Mangini got the message about how stupid, unproductive, regressive, and potentially dangerous it is to only focus on a few square feet of territory.
by dgcambridge on Nov 20, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but we can’t really but this bad. 3 touchdowns on offense. /blockquote>
Prozac?
by skipkirk on Nov 20, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see any way we score three offensive TDs this week.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see any way we score three offensive TDsthis week.in the next three weeks.
Fixed.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 20, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, and I mean really really sadly, this could be true.
by skipkirk on Nov 20, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After what they produced after two weeks off for Monday night, I think your faith is misplaced. I mean, I hope you’re right, but then again I hoped Daboll would be publicly flogged in the town square come Tuesday morning too….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs






















