Browns Draft Radar.... The Line
by Dawg26 on Nov 19, 2009 8:44 AM EST
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Mike Iupati will head up the Guards in the 10' NFL Draft
It is pretty obvious week in and out, the right side of the line needs a serious upgrade. Using common sense, the Browns will not be using a Top 5 pick on the right side of the line. So, we will look at late first and beyond projections that could help the right side of the Browns offensive line, starting at Guard.
GUARD
Mike Iupati - 6-6 330 lb Idaho Senior Guard is projected to be the first off the board. Plays with good leverage, has great footwork and a nice punch, not to mention that nasty mean streak that comes along with most Samoan football players. Plays with a high motor, does well in pass protection, as well as being a smart football player.
I have found no flaws in Iupati's game. Just questionable talent being played against.
Jon Asamoah - 6-5 315 lb Senior Guard from Illinois is a projected 3-4 Rd pick. Strong at the point of attack, good leverage, smart. amd athletic. Solid run blocker, needs improvement in the passing game.
Zane Beadles - 6-4 315 lb Senior from Utah. Plays both LT and LG. Good speed, athleticism, and power. Just not quick enough to project as an NFL Tackle. His game should translate well to the NFL as he is a very smart player. Late 2 early/mid 3
Mike Johnson - The 6-6 305 lb Crimson Tide Guard could very well become the best G of this draft class. Athletic, smart, good leverage and punch, good footwork, and plays with a mean streak. Not to mention, it is week in and out for Mike, as he is playing against some of the best talent in college football, week in and out. Keep an eye on this guy! Middle 2/early 3
Mitch Petrus - A former Tight End and Fullback, Petrus is easily the most athletic out of the class. Good size, speed, quick feet, and a technician of the position. Mitch is a vocal leader, and expects nothing more than perfection from himself and his teammates. Academics were an issue in the 07-08 season, but it looks as if Petrus is doing much better now, considering he is playing every week. Projects round 2-3
Shawn Lauvao - A bright spot for the Sun Devils, Lauvao plays with strength, mind, and heart. A definite lunchpail type, many NFL coaches will respect this guys work ethic. Projected early as a 7th rounder, I personally have him climbing the boards to no less than a 4th or 5th round pick. Lauvao could become a quality NFL Guard or be the journeyman type similar to Lennie Friedman.
Brandon Carter - Rising up the boards. High motor, former DL turned OG, long arms, good footwork, and a big body for DT's to have to move around. Wears face paint during the games, so likely a nutcase who comes to play week in and out. Most of the transitional lineman (coming from the defensive side of the ball) taste success in the NFL. Keep your eye on the big guard for the Aggies. 5-7 projection
Sergio Render - The 4 year Hokies starter is strong as an ox. Very good run blocker, but needs improvement in the passing game. Could be an interesting project. Looks as if he is a mid round pick, but his lack of pass blocking skills could cause him to fall in April. 4/5 projection
Sleepers (most 6-UDFA with a few exceptions)
Vladamir Ducasse - 330 lb Haitian from UMass will be a steal. Smart, great work ethic, played LT so he will be a good pass protector. For a power run scheme with Vertical Passing, Ducasse will make someone happy in 2010
Shelley Smith - A bit light, but has all the tools necessary to become successful in either zone or power scheme for an NFL team. Love his athleticism and strength.
Chet Teofilo - Another nasty Samoan, his game should translate well to the next level. Played some Tackle in Tedfords power run system, so he can pass protect, run block, and is very strong at the point of attack.
John Jerry - The guy is huge, not to mention Ole Miss has ranked high in rushing and sacks allowed. Jerry has his name plastered on most all OL award lists, is athletic for his size, and is climbing boards consistently. He faces some of the best DLine talent in college football and could become a very solid G in the NFL.
Others:
Reggie Stephens - Lacks good speed and footwork. Late rounder likely
Thomas Austin - Durable, power blocker, good leverage and footwork. Lacks ideal speed, but is a smart/hard worker to make up for his shortcomings.
Casey Bender - Good athlete and technician, lacks strength
Andrew Lewis - Has potential, lacks strength
Marshall Newhouse - Climbing many boards. Most likely a later round depth pick or UDFA
Cord Howard - Lacks ideal speed. Deph pick
Joe Thomas - Climbing boards with seasons performance
Matt McCracken - Small school prospect. Watch closely if you can, he is rising fast.
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Another draft thread? Someone just posted one yesterday. I know we don’t have much to look forward to for the rest of this season and the draft is our only hope for improvement, but can’t this at least wait until the season is over and we know where we’re selecting? Do we really need a new draft thread every few days?
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 19, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree generally, but at least Dawg26’s are fresh and provide some information.
I thinking about skipping my Scouting from the Couch column this week though.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nautre. www.dawgsbynature.com
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 19, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I don’t mind position specific threads. The draft is far more exciting at this point than anything else.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 19, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that you both are right. I don’t mind talking about specific topics which we haven’t discussed yet, but as I said we don’t need a general draft thread twice a week.
Sorry, Dawg26, for my comment above. This post is well-prepared and very detailed.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 19, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a bit of a draft junkie myself. Gotta say, this is far better than anything I’ve read by Mooncamping. If I get hired as GM, I’m definetly adding Dawg26 to my scouting team.
by BrownDawg1409 on Nov 19, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Walterfootball.com has it´s first prognostications per position up, too already, by the way.
I´m pleased with Hank Fraley and Alex Mack at guard. Eric Steinbach should get a shot at playing center. I´m still p.o.´d about our letting Phil Trautwein go, apparently Joe Thomas can´t handle a little competition.
If Eric Steinbach fails at center, I´m going center again in the first round.
And we need a scrappy OT on the right side.
Your right, we need to set priorities on O-line. But if they aren´t aligned properly this season, there´s no reason to go looking for more instant predicaments (Alex Mack at center). If we have guys lined up at the wrong positions, then how will we fill the right slots?
by mooncamping on Nov 19, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight.. You want to blame this on Joe Thomas? It’s his fault that we don’t have Trautwein? Are you f-ing kidding me?
Oh by the way, newsflash: Steinbach is a guard, Mack is a center. That’s the way it is and always will be.
On to more relevant things: I’d like us to get that guy that plays both LT and LG. I’m assuming eventually he could pick up at least one spot on the right side too and give us great depth, and maybe even a versatile starter.
by Legoman0721 on Nov 19, 2009 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know, you can´t blame Joe Thomas for anything, right?
Oh, and reality flash: Mack will be a Pro Bowl guard, and Eric Steinbach has similar potential at center.
by mooncamping on Nov 20, 2009 7:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope and pray that one day SBN will devise something that will enable me to block you.
I cannot be the only person that has grown tired of this act. We get it, Mack is Guard, Stienbach is a Center, and Fullbacks rule the world.
Get a new act, please.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 20, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. The positional rebuild on the offensive line is among Moon’s least entertaining riffs, and we’ve all heard it a thousand times by now.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 20, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he used to be so upbeat and never let anybody get to him, now he just seems bitter all the time.
by notthatnoise on Nov 20, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to tilt against windmills in the face of so much resistance and stay positive about it.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 20, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mooncamping’s posts continue to be one of the best features of this blog.
He should have been one of the new minions.
by golanbatrac on Nov 20, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh. Now that should be a popular suggestion…
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 20, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh….no. He stopped being funny a long time ago, and now he’s just annoying. I don’t think we should be promoting comments which lack any facts or validity.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 20, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t want twenty mooncampings on here, but one mooncamping is unquestionably better than no mooncamping.
by golanbatrac on Nov 20, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I suspected, an idea bound to spark protest. I think he’s still funny, more creative than the thousandth draft evaluation post this week, and valid on that basis. But it’s beyond obvious that we disagree on this point.
BTW, you should protest less on this. Shortly it’s going to become fun to bait you just for the sake of doing it.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 21, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope and pray, that some day someone will realize that you and your cronies are inclined to “block” people and objects of contention in real life too.
Just guessing.
by mooncamping on Nov 21, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d consider this a prime example of what brad was talking about above. exhausting.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 21, 2009 7:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Brad should reincarnate you as his parrot.
by mooncamping on Nov 21, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ooo, new guess: Is mooncamping from India?
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 21, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn’t even make sense, but whatever.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 21, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of stoking a fire, Since you brought it up, parrots typically repeat what others say, without much in the way of actual cognitive processing. It wasn’t a hard statement to parse, really.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 21, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That´s not an extravagant wish. I think that´s possible.
by mooncamping on Nov 22, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not for GM decisions.. Anyways, there’s no use reiterating what positions these guys really play, so I’ll just let the lineup on the field speak for itself.
by Legoman0721 on Nov 20, 2009 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I repeat this one from earlier: even a thousand people quaintly aligned to define and designate and object, can not change it´s true nature.
You have no bearing on offensive line players designation. The only thing you can affect is decisions regarding wisdom regarding the draft picks.
That´s why your so touchy. You know I´m right.
And you know what else? It is starting to become abundantly clear, that you want more instant predicaments for the Browns. I think this site is becoming a cover for friends of a catclysmic downfall of the Browns franchise. But, I tell you, this is not a Phoenix, for you to resurrect. We are working with past, present and future. Get used to it.
by mooncamping on Nov 21, 2009 7:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, it is possible to ignore someone without forum software to assist you. Really.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 21, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I have a hard time understanding:
If a newbie poster came here and posted the same garbage mooncamping comes up with, he would get run outta here on a rail, and rightfully so. Yet mooncamping is granted some sort of pass because he is a constant annoyance.
I am always willing to listen to something, no matter how insane it sounds, once. But mooncamping continues to highjack threads and repeat the nonsense over and over. Fullbacks everywhere, O-line reassembled, safties should be corners, blah, blah, blah.
At first he was funny, but so was Carrot Top. Actually, Carrot Top was never funny.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly right. I don’t know why mooncamping gets a pass because some people think he’s funny while anyone else posting the same ignorant rants over and over again would get jumped on.
We can’t just ignore ignorance because that just fosters more ignorance. When it’s clear that someone has no clue what they’re talking about then they need to either change their tone or take it somewhere else because it makes our blog look bad. We strive for intelligent discussion on this blog and we must hold everyone to that standard; we shouldn’t make exceptions for one or two people.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 22, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Buckeye, why don´t you start fulfilling your job requirements by moderating yourself. You show absolutely no restraint. And you think you´re clever because you decided months ago to pick on only one person, instead of contributing to a good forum culture, that fosters intelligent discourse and exchange of ideas.
by mooncamping on Nov 22, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But you don’t offer intelligent discourse. You continue to show that you know very little about NFL football, yet you act like you know more than anyone else. That’s what I don’t like . . . your arrogance.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you probably won’t like this, but part of mooncamping’s appeal is not just what he says, but how he says it. not only does he have crazy ideas but he has a unique and strange way of expressing them, and i think thats part of what makes people think he’s funny.
I can relate to you feeling passionately about this. I believe we should rip apart anyone who mentions the water bottle fine, but many posters decided it wasn’t worth it. You need to pick your battles. I would venture to say a good portion of DBN enjoys mooncamping.
he does have a point about you taking this overboard. you repeatedly call him stupid, ignorant, and dumb, and thats not very becoming of a forum moderator. i understand he’s frustrating, but you have to be civil about it.
also, keep a little perspective. its an internet forum.
by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
part of mooncamping’s appeal is not just what he says, but how he says it. not only does he have crazy ideas but he has a unique and strange way of expressing them, and i think thats part of what makes people think he’s funny.
bingo
by golanbatrac on Nov 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he does have a point about you taking this overboard. you repeatedly call him stupid, ignorant, and dumb, and thats not very becoming of a forum moderator. i understand he’s frustrating, but you have to be civil about it.
Sadly, I have to agree with this. Brad calling Moon arrogant here, well, it’s nearly hypocrisy at this point.
Of course, I should watch myself lest by own ideas be declared ignorant and my contributions unmutual.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 23, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have never called him, or anyone, stupid or dumb. I have said that he doesn’t know much about football, and I might have said that the comments he makes are ignorant, but I’ve never personally attacked him. And I don’t appreciate you telling me that I have done that.
This isn’t about one paricular issue, like your water bottle example, this is about consistant and repeated behavior which adds nothing to our discussion and annoys many people on here.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And entertains many other people on here.
by golanbatrac on Nov 23, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve gotta side with Brad on this one
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 23, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always thought the best thing to do is just ignore moon. I don’t waste my time even reading his contributions. He can write all he wants, I think we should just ignore him and not play into his attempts for attention. As long as you respond in a negitive fashion, you’re giving him the positive reinforcment he is looking for.
No response is more intelligent than trying to explain to him why he wrong.
Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.
by doggrad87 on Nov 24, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Get a new paper bag for hyperventilating, this one is full of saliva.
by mooncamping on Nov 24, 2009 7:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you call his ideas stupid and dumb, and you’ve called him ignorant, which is a synonym for dumb.
with my water bottle example i really meant all of that type of stuff, the mural, the injury to davis, the feud with rogers, etc.
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never called him, or anyone, ignorant. I have called his ideas and his comments ignorant because they were; they displayed a lack of knowledge or understanding. That’s ignorance. That’s not an attack, that’s a fact. If someone is going to make ignorant comments then there is nothing wrong with calling them on that. That is how we promote intelligent discussion on this blog. If someone makes ignorant and false comments then other people need to call them on it.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 24, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i realize the literal definition of ignorant means a lack of understanding, but don’t pretend in day-to-day use ignorant doesn’t mean stupid, thats a poor defense.
Its also not a fact to call him ignorant. maybe he really does know what he’s talking about and we’re all the idiots here. sure, there’s only about a 1 in a million chance of that, but that chance means its not a fact.
also, “calling him on it” should be explaining why he’s wrong, not simply telling him you’re tired of his opinion and he should leave.
they need to either change their tone or take it somewhere else
that doesn’t sound like you’re encouraging new ideas. what if someone new to the site read that and thought “I have a different opinion, but i don’t want to be treated like that, i’ll take it somewhere else?”
as you said,
it makes our blog look bad.
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not about having a different opinion. There are plenty of different opinions expressed on this blog. If you can’t see that then I can’t help you.
And, for the last time, I didn’t call him ignorant, I said he made ignorant comments. There’s a difference.
I’m not going to continue this silly discussion. I’m not sure what your crusade is here, but you’re obviously not even listening to anything I’m saying.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 24, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok lets amend my reply, “It’s not a fact to call his opinions ignorant.”
and it is about having a different opinion. you think his opinion is so stupid it doesn’t deserve to be shared. my question is who are you to decide that?
and calling his ideas stupid and ignorant the way you do is pretty close to a personal attack. thats like telling someone “I don’t think you’re stupid i think all of your opinions and everything you do is stupid.” what’s the difference?
its not a silly discussion, i’m listening to everything your saying, i responded point by point to each of your posts.
by notthatnoise on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you think his opinion is so stupid it doesn’t deserve to be shared.
Completely untrue. Either you aren’t listening to what I’m saying or you just don’t care and you’re going to think whatever you want to think. I’ve stated my reasoning many times.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 25, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know your reasoning. i’m questioning the way you go about telling him to stop posting what he posts.
i guess the bottom line is you don’t like moon’s posts and find them annoying, I like them and find them an entertaining curiosity. I don’t see either one of us having a change of opinion any time soon, so you’re right that this is a pretty silly discussion i guess.
by notthatnoise on Nov 25, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you don’t. I think I know my reasoning better than you, but thanks for telling me otherwise.
Once again, I’ve explained myself many times and you’ve failed to listen to anything I’ve said. Then you continue to tell me what I think and why I do things, which is very annoying.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 26, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you’re the one who’s failing to listen here. this is a stupid argument, its not going anywhere, we should just stop.
by notthatnoise on Nov 26, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m trying to respond to what you’re saying. i’ll quote what i’m responding to here so its perfectly clear.
They seem to think he’s just a guy with a "different opinion" about football.
I’m asking you the question, when you get it down to the absolute basics, isn’t that what he is? he has weird, completely wrong, outrageous opinions, but thats all it is. I don’t see a problem with allowing him to share them.
by notthatnoise on Nov 26, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^this is in the wrong place, my computer froze while posting and somehow it ended up here
by notthatnoise on Nov 26, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Thanksgiving, guys. I’m thankful that we care enough about these things to be this engaged. Let’s salute each other with a turkey leg and press on to other matters, eh?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 26, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right. You guys have been trolled mooncamped.
by skipkirk on Nov 27, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with some of this. mooncamping is an ass. I mean that in the more literal sense- he is stubborn and frustrating. I’m pretty sure he has ticked off each of the front page contributors, moderator, and editor of this blog. He sort of responds to questions or criticisms of his posts, but usually with a smart ass comment or some wild conspiracy theory. It was funny, but it past that point for me.
It has gotten to the point where I totally ignore his content and just study his style. I’m playing the guess where mooncamping is from game. I think somewhere in the UK is the favorite. But I have recently wondered if it could be India, Australia or even Germany.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 23, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moon’s style is infinitely superior to his content – where they can be separated, which is not always.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 23, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Australia. It’s Europe. Who the heck else uses decimal points for commas.
by skipkirk on Nov 23, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No offense to anyone in Europe who knows football.
by skipkirk on Nov 23, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your claims can not be corroborated.
Mooncamping is the hottest thing since ice.
Your attempts to denigrate an exciting writer are getting quite tedious.
What´s so hilarious, is that you´ve brought probably exactly zero novel ideas to this site. I respect my screen-name, but you roll like you can get the beejezuz beaten out of your credibility.
by mooncamping on Nov 22, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I mean . . . arrogance.
You’re not hot, you’re not exciting, you don’t bring any worthwhile ideas to this site, and you have no credibility.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 22, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His posts are actually pretty exciting to me. Although they normally have no football relevance whatsoever, I find myself trying to analyze his posts like I would analyze a work of literature. Half the time the things he says are so out there that they remind me of one of those poets that writes stuff that make people scratch their heads and wonder what the heck the he is even saying.
by shep615 on Nov 23, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In this instance, the thread he ‘hijacked’ was a handful of posts about whether we needed yet another draft thread.
by golanbatrac on Nov 22, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good points, but since i agree with you, i’m obviously a mindless drone who is incapable of any cognitive thought. god forbid anyone agree with anyone else or we’re all sheep.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 22, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is amusing. I would probably welcome other similar-style posters, but I must say that mooncamping is a unique first for me on sports websites.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 22, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amusing? Really??
Would this type of behavior be allowed on LGT? Of course not. He doesn’t contribute anything worthwhile to our dicussions, and he’s lately started making personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with him. It’s one thing to have unique ideas, but he continues to make completely false claims (such as Rob Ryan selecting players, the trade deadline being optional, etc.) which doesn’t add anything to our discussions.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 22, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to go with Brad here. It is the arrogance and believing he is right.
Which is different to someone with an idea. He genuinely believes stuff like the NFL 8 team expansion. Now, I would believe if I see a source. But just saying ’it’s true’ over and over again is boring.
He’s amusing in the sense that he’s amusing because of what he does. But what he says to me isn’t amusing at all.
by skipkirk on Nov 22, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The future is my proof.
If I´m not entertaining to you, something is wrong with you.
Amusing I am not, because amusement is the trait of someone arrogant. Stop projecting, show off.
by mooncamping on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is the future proof?
And are you admitting that you aren’t serious?
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 23, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if the future includes any amount of time, then of course the NFL will expand. That’s like saying a coin will drop sooner or later if you throw it into the air.
But since no one is talking about it now, you talking about it now is weird. It’s like you’re finding topics to make you stand out.
by skipkirk on Nov 23, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously have a game plan against me.
It tells me, you´re in trouble, in regards to credibility around here.
You´re outright lying at this point, I merely defend myself.
I actually think Rob Ryan has limited what is available to the team. God knows how, and I hope he doesn´t reveal it to me.
The trade deadline is fraudulent, and the result of an agreement.
The bank does not close for regular season, and in fact, I think it adds to false securities and an almost hunting season type atmosphere in the offseason.
by mooncamping on Nov 23, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have a game plan against you. I’m just tired of your annoying, nonsensical posts (along with many other people here).
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brad, please, lighten up. I like you, and no offense, but your crusade against Moon is starting to remind me of Ahab.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 23, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
first, Brad isn’t the only one who feels that way, many of us do. second, at the same time you criticize Brad, your defense of moon is starting to seem compulsive itself.
all that being said, i think you post some good comments and bring something to the site, so i don’t want hard feelings because of moon.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 23, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree that brad isn’t the only one that feels that way, but there are still plenty of people who don’t mind or even like moon’s posts. is it really fair to want to force out a poster that is still ok with a sizable portion of the site?
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure plenty of people in this country would like to see pornographic pictures in public buildings but that doesn’t make it acceptable, does it?
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 24, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think thats a terrible comparison, and i think you know it.
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Politics on DBN. 15 yard penalty and loss of down!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 24, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate the vote of confidence, DN. I don’t intend to hold any grudges. And yes, I’ve been known to be a little compulsive. I take after lost causes and underrated misfits. (Probably why I still follow the Browns.) I’ve even been known to tilt at a windmill or two. Then again, I’m not a moderator here.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i can be equally compulsive, i hear you. overall, i think this issue has created a bigger problem than we need and caused arguments amongst many good posters. we don’t need that.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 25, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, and as one of those posters perpetuating the argument, i think its time to drop it.
by notthatnoise on Nov 25, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would say humor is worthwhile, its nice to break up the seriousness. and he definitely wasn’t the first to launch personal attacks, so i see no problem with him responding in kind.
do i think he makes sense? of course not. do i think he knows football? no way. but i don’t think he’s some type of forum cancer that must be purged from this site. in my opinion he’s part of the appeal.
by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s one of a mere handful of DBN regulars whose posts I never skip.
by golanbatrac on Nov 23, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto. The annoying content is far outweighed by the sheer novelty value.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 23, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t a humor forum, it’s a football forum. I’m glad you find him amusing, but that’s not the purpose of this blog.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then kick him off already. Seriously.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 23, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really, I think you admins should have a good round table on this and someone should make a command decision: Cut Moon loose or leave him alone.
Whatever the result, I think that would be a lot more straightforward than going around performing a one man police action on him, and having those of us who actually do appreciate him get into these same conversations every time. Just my opinion, obviously.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 23, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t follow him around policing him. I’ve mostly ignored him for the past month after his novelty wore off. I only got involved in this coversation because someone else brought it up.
In my opinion, though, enough if enough. His act is tiring on most people and he continues to perform the same schtick over and over again. It’s not funny any more (if it was in the first place). If it was anyone else then this behavior wouldn’t be tolerated, but because it’s him them some people find it humerous. But that’s not what this site is for. If he wants to start his own blog, and people who enjoy reading him want to follow him there, then more power to him. But this blog isn’t the place for it.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you’re taking this blog a little too seriously. think of moon like the musical guest on SNL. saturday night live isn’t a music show, its a comedy show, but the musical guest is part of it.
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
better analogy: think of it like an action movie. yeah, action movies are all about shooting things and big explosions, but they need some comic relief too.
more importantly though, has he really done anything to warrant not letting him post? even if his ideas are extremely strange and don’t seem to have anything to do with real football, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a right to say them.
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
see below; i don’t want him kicked out, i just don’t think those of us who confront his crazy ideas should be criticized for doing it. calling us out is just as bad as what you say we’re doing.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 24, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn’t criticize anyone for confronting his crazy ideas, my problem is with the way its done. even if he responds with a personal attack, it doesn’t mean others should reply to him that way.
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I have little problem with factual rebuttals of Moon. He’s asking for those. I don’t even take too much offense at the “I wish you’d go away” cheap shots from the peanut gallery.
Obviously though, a moderator stepping in and saying that this isn’t the place for his kind of “ignorant” material strikes me badly. If you’re a moderator and you’re going to moderate, great. Do what needs to be done. OTOH, delivering a public flogging without doing that, and apparently without any intent of ever doing that, just seems odd and excessive. Two cents spent, my take over.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are missing the most frustrating thing about mooncamping. I (and many other regulars) have pointed out his factual mishaps, misunderstandings, fallacies, etc. several times. He has been shown, with detailed links why Alex Mack is, and always has been, a Center. He has been asked to support his factual claims with links.
He often ignores these purely factual critiques. And when he does respond it is almost always nonsensical, conspiracy-theory-filled, and personal. He has shown that he doesn’t want to have a football debate. He wants to shout his theories as fact, repeatedly, and mock any challengers.
Here is one example: http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2009/10/9/1077681/info-about-2010-draft#23086684
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 25, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
It isn’t about having a different opinion that I, or anyone else, don’t agree with. It’s about saying compeltely false statements over and over again even though many people have told him (nicely), at first) that he’s wrong. It’s about him not wanting to have an actual conversation about football with anyone — he just posts whatever he wants to say and insults those who tell him he’s wrong. He’s not interested in having a discussion or an exchange of ideas, which is what this site is for.
I thought I’ve made that clear before, yet people keep ignoring what I’ve said and telling me that I don’t like him because he has a different opinion than me. Nothing could be further from the truth. I’ve had disagreements with many people on this board but we’ve done it in a civil manner unlike how MC approaches things.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 25, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bingo.
when two people agree on an issue that is contrary to moon’s opinion, he calls them “a mob”, “flags blowing in the wind”, “incapable of cognitive thought”. as brad said earlier, he’s arrogant, and whats more, he thinks if more than one of us agree with the other, we can’t think for ourselves and follow like sheep. that’s just ridiculous.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 25, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s clear to even his fans that he has no intent of debating actual football.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 25, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so. At least, not from the comments some people are posting on here. They seem to think he’s just a guy with a “different opinion” about football.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 25, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, well then they take his posts differently than I do.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 25, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so. At least, not from the comments some people are posting on here. They seem to think he’s just a guy with a "different opinion" about football.
To be clear, I don’t think his ‘different opinions’ on football have an iota of credibility.
I like him as an uber creative and uber effective troll. After all this time, that people continue to take the bait is hilarious.
by golanbatrac on Nov 25, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s partially that, but I have never seen a more unique individual on a sports forum than mooncamping and for that alone I enjoy it. He is not the standard message board annoyance, he is THE NEW standard for which all trolls should hope to aspire.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 25, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely with the uniqueness.
One aspect of Moon’s style is that it tends toward the inscrutable. Is he truly serious about all of his bizarre ideas (if not willing to be bothered getting into a protracted logical analysis of them)? Is he completely pulling your leg with every post? Is he somewhere in the middle?
Many people try to interpret him, but like an ink blot, I suspect that the results tell you more about them then they do about him….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 25, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elaborate hoax or the ramblings of a madman?
by Roger Dorn on Nov 25, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whether its a good opinion or not, it is just that, an opinion. i think moon has just as much of a right to say his weird ideas about mack being a guard as the rest of us do to say otherwise
by notthatnoise on Nov 25, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re not listening to a single thing I’m saying, are you?
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 26, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m trying to respond to what you’re saying. i’ll quote what i’m responding to here so its perfectly clear.
They seem to think he’s just a guy with a "different opinion" about football.
I’m asking you the question, when you get it down to the absolute basics, isn’t that what he is? he has weird, completely wrong, outrageous opinions, but thats all it is. I don’t see a problem with allowing him to share them.
and if you weren’t arguing against him posting his weird ideas here in the first place, i don’t know what you’re arguing for.
by notthatnoise on Nov 26, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why does he need to be kicked off? my comments are meant merely to explain why i’m critical of him in my replies, not to have him banished. the ridicluous conspiracy theories deserve to be confronted. however, if you look through my comments i’ve also agreed with him on a few things. don’t kick him off, just stop calling out the people who argue his insanity.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 23, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No need to kick anyone off. I got that greasemonkey ignore script to work. Details posted in a fanshot.
by golanbatrac on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i like mack and i think he is developing well. issues are at RG and RT.
by rockybrown on Nov 20, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I reckon Hadnot and Fraley aren’t all that bad. It’s just that they’re playing next to St Clair. Of course their run blocking could be better. Yet, they’re average players and RG wouldn’t be a position high up on the priority list.
by skipkirk on Nov 20, 2009 6:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Might want to re-think that statement skip. Whether it is directly linked or not, it is worth noting that the Browns most successful season is with Tucker at RG. When he went down is when we began to see protection problems. He comes back for Sunday Night Football vs. the defending SB Champ Giants, and we maul them, as well as Anderson having another great game. He gets hurt again, and this team has been in the $h!tter ever since then.
RG is HIGH priority on my list. If we get an additional 2nd Rd pick, I am taking a RT and RG in that round and don’t care what talent is on the board!
Can any one Browns Employee be competent?
by Dawg26 on Nov 20, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drafting to only get a certain position is a bad strategy.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 20, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the current state of the Browns… Yes, I agree. BUT, I am one who is of the belief that you build from the inside out, so both lines are priority to me. And knowing that we missed a LT for years, as well as several other positions along the OL, I am starting right there as a GM if I am looking to upgrade my offense. You can fix the line, add depth and talent to WR, add a RB that can hit the holes, and a TE who is a threat to both block and catch (Scheffler/Daniel) then you can grab a servicable QB and succeed, until the right one comes along for you to draft. If you go QB first and ignore the line, you have done it ass backwards and set yourself for failure, like the Browns of this millenium.
Only my opinion and view though.
Can any one Browns Employee be competent?
by Dawg26 on Nov 20, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RT and RG are priorities, but I still say ‘best player available’.
by golanbatrac on Nov 20, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but we haven’t had a RG play consecutive games this season. First Womack with Fraley in for looks, then Fraley with Hadnot for looks.
By the way, didn’t Tucker play RT? If he didn’t, who did? Refresh my memory.
In any case, like I said, I don’t call them stellar. To me they’re just average. Another thing is, compared to the rest of the line, they’ll look under average. I take that into account.
by skipkirk on Nov 20, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tucker used to play RT, in the early Crennel era (lol). They moved him to RG in 07’ and he performed very highly.
And you are right, there has been no consistency, but it is worth noting, the gentlemen you speak of are no spring chickens. If you were speaking of 26 yr olds, that would be different. But Fraley and Womack are in their 30’s and Hadnot is 27. St. Clair is 32. All of those guys are depth players, not realistic starter material.
This line reallistically needs youth and talent. The DL has adequate talent to be effective. The LB’s need upgraded, though the look of Wimbley, Maiava, Bowens, and Trusnick wasn’t at all shabby. Corner play stinks, and the S play from Pool and Elam has been much better of late. The defense is pretty youthful too, so there is time for them to develop. But on offense, it is really ragged in regards to talent overall. 2 lineman who are 10 year vets, a RB that is a 10 year vet, 2 QB’s that are non existent in the current scheme, and no talent @ WR. This team needs to build the offense from the inside out in my opinion. G and RB is where I would start.
Can any one Browns Employee be competent?
by Dawg26 on Nov 20, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha you have your opinions and I have mine. Personally, this is what I think: every team is going to have 30 year old vets. And I don’t mind 30 year old vets playing on the Oline provided they can play. I do not like Womack (anyone with the nickname Pork Chop shouldn’t be signed imo) and St Clair. As for Hadnot, hey, 27 isn’t that bad.
If I really had to pinpoint positions while drafting, I would go RT and RB. I do agree that the line needs youth and talent. I wouldn’t mind drafting guards, I just don’t see it as a priority. Particularly when you’ve also mentioned QB and WR.
by skipkirk on Nov 20, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaffer had been our RT since Thomas was drafted.
by golanbatrac on Nov 20, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a big fan of John Jerry. He is a great run blocker and a good pass blocker for his size. I think he will be a stud guard, but Andy Reid might reach for him becuase of his obsession with massive lineman.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 19, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think if Jason Fox falls to the second round he might be a good right tackle for us.
Also, I think Petrus is good but he might be more of a zone-blocker
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree, as I have prepared for my tackle line up, I like Fox in the 2nd too. And specific to this thread, I would like to see them draft Vlad Ducasse. That big boy is a monster.
Can any one Browns Employee be competent?
by Dawg26 on Nov 19, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea he might be a good guard
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 19, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all offense draft with the first four picks … OT, RB, TE, OG …. hopefully selected by someone other than mangini
by rockybrown on Nov 20, 2009 5:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
why the hate on mangini? early indication is he had a decently successful draft this past season and his record in NY is good.
by notthatnoise on Nov 20, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying I hate on Mangini because of how bad our team looks. Not because of the rooks
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 20, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the topic was the draft. And Mangini hasn’t done bad.
Except for Carey.
by skipkirk on Nov 20, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you were saying you hoped our draft was handled by someone other than mangini, my point was that mangini has historically done a good job with the draft, so why the hate in that area? if you dislike mangini for other things, thats fair game, but i think his draft record is decently strong.
by notthatnoise on Nov 21, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he made some decent picks in NY, but he has definitely made some bad ones. So I wouldn’t call him a draft guru, especially after the last one
by Rocland on Nov 21, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i never said he was a draft “guru,” but even guys who get that title make some good picks and some bad ones.
I also think we had a very good draft last spring. we added an anchor to our O-line, at least one good WR, a corner with starting quality talent, a running back with lots of potential, and a couple decent linebackers, to say nothing of a starting safety and defensive lineman aquired via trade. the only picks i can remember off the top of my head that show early signs of being busts are the one other 6th round cornerback and maybe robie, though thats tough to call right now. no, there were no superstars in that bunch, but a lot of quality starters.
by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Francies can’t make the active roster. Saying he has starting talent is a stretch.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 23, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has been practicing for weeks now
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 23, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he showed he has the talent. maybe he hasn’t put it together yet, but that just means he has the potential to be a starter.
and even if he doesn’t that doesn’t disprove my point about this past draft being a good one.
by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I have seen our team. Thanks for nothin’ Phil.
by golanbatrac on Nov 20, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
trade down, snag rolando mcclain in the first, qb Levi Brown in the second, pick Brodie Croyle up off waivers and draft talent in our secondary. leave RB and WR for next year
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 20, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Has Croyle ever even finished a game, not to mention a season?
Also, why put off RB? We’re losing Lewis, and we’re left with Davis and Harrison, neither of whom can run effectively between the tackles.
by Legoman0721 on Nov 20, 2009 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
davis can run between the tackles…
by notthatnoise on Nov 20, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what he did in the preseason and in college
by notthatnoise on Nov 21, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
preseason and college. Two things that don’t matter in the NFL
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 21, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d say they matter, unless you’re one of the people that thinks measurables are the most important thing to look at when drafting a player. college games and preseason games are still games, and games are the best place to evaluate talent. you don’t draft a player based on 40 times (unless you’re al davis) you draft them based on performance.
by notthatnoise on Nov 21, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i realize i talked a lot about drafting in that response, but i really just meant that games are the best place to evaluate players.
by notthatnoise on Nov 21, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When they are in the NFL, the only thing that you evaluate them by is NFL games.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 21, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you ready to say brady quinn is a terrible quarterback then? because his NFL games don’t look encouraging, this past weeks mirage notwithstanding.
by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…and some day will demonstrate that fact to a flabbergasted fanbase!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 20, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really trying to be nice, but why the fuck would we take Levi Brown in the second? If there was a strange reason why we liked him then we have a 7th rounder right?
And people say that I like ND players too much…
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 20, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
easy, killer. i salute your vigor, but no need to get angry. plus, drafting brown wasn’t even his weakest point. i’d say signing brodie croyle would be much worse, even though drafting brown that high would be reach.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 20, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s very passionate when it comes to the draft.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I only got mad because he just stops by every month and tells us why we need to draft every player from Troy.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 20, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
okay, that’s fair. just don’t want to see you stress yourself out.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 21, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we could certainly do worse. If we had drafted Troy’s defensive talent like Osi Umenyiora, Demarcus Ware, Leodis McKelvin, Elbert Mack or Sherrod Martin, maybe we wouldn’t be 1-8. :/
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 21, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow what a pro factory! We should just draft everyone from there team that graduates in hope of getting one of those future hall of famers.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 21, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats exactly what ive been trying to tell you!
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 21, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude I was being sarcastic. Many other teams put a lot more into the NFL.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 22, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah take a look at the amount of pros OSU, Florida, Texas, USC, etc. put into the NFL
by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Croyle has shown a ton of potential and he’s only had one season in which he couldn’t finish due to injury in the pros, but to his defense, every QB who’s played behind that KC line has gotten injured. Huard got hurt, Thigpen broke ribs, Cassel hurt his leg earlier this season.
Croyle has shown starting calibre talent and we can get him for cheap. He has played better for KC in his time this year against Baltimore than Cassel has all year, and he didn’t even have Chris Chambers or Lance.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 21, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
okay, i just don’t see that he would be the answer to our problems, long term. i’d rather work with quinn and strengthen other key weaknesses. BQ has shown starting caliber talent too, but the rest of the team and the scheming has failed. that needs improved before we start worrying about bringing in other QBs.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 21, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Levi Brown is a pretty boy. Maybe troy145 is trying to appeal to the female portion of the Browns fans.
by mooncamping on Nov 21, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is your new picture a self portrait moon?
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 21, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it´s alpha from up, the doberman who leads the pack, but has a broken voice module, that makes him sound absolutely ridiculous in his dispensing of authority. He made me laugh the most.
by mooncamping on Nov 22, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that will keep him very occupied….
very occupied indeed…
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well he is a hottie and i would go homo for him but thats not why i want him.
he’s got prototypical size but he’s also ridiculously accurate. He’s thrown for +300 yds 6 times this season, two of those efforts being +400 yds and he would’ve topped 500 and 400 more often if it wasn’t for being pulled out in the third quarter so often. He’s got like 16 tds to 7 ints, and consider that 3 of those INTs came vs Arkansas, where one was on a Hail Mary and the other went through the hands of a Troy WR. He has really good pocket presence and a quick release. His only negatives I can think of is that he can play much much too conservatively at times and the quality of competition. However I feel he’s shown himself against very solid talent in games vs LSU and Arkansas among others. The most intriguing part about it is he only played this season and half of last, so I think it’s very possible that his best football is much better than what we’re seeing and its all ahead of him.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 21, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hot list of QB´s that I would like to consider, before we draft a new QB.
But if you honestly and earnestly can support Levi Brown in next year´s draft, more power to you.
by mooncamping on Nov 22, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
none of the stats impress me.
Also, you said he proved himself against arkansas, but you also said he threw 3 INTs against them.
Plus he comes from a pistol offense, which is different from the pros
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 22, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant think of a single time I’ve seen Troy run the pistol. They run a lot of 4 and 5 wide shotgun formations and bring Brown under center more this year than last year.
And like I also said about his game vs Arkansas, two of those picks weren’t his fault.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 22, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant 3rd round
i bet he’s not on the board past the 4th
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 21, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you have never looked at the draft before then
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 21, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
idk what a “draft” even is
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 21, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the same guy who told us to get Glen Coffee at all costs. Coffee has sucked so far.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 22, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I said I wanted Glen Coffee instead of James Davis. So far Coffee has been much more promising than Davis, even taking in to account every inch of Davis’ 1.7 YPC this year, a number Coffee nearly doubled.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re comparing Coffee to a player who hasn’t played.
by skipkirk on Nov 22, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which is even dumber than comparing a player who hasn’t played to Coffee
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Nov 23, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no one did that besides you.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 23, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what troy is talking about. White flag.
by skipkirk on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coffee went way before Davis and to a better team. He even had the chance to start and sucked.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 22, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some good information here. I’d prefer to hold off on a guard prospect until rounds 3-4. You can usually get a solid player in those rounds (assuming you have the ability to draft well) and the really tough positions to fill should be addressed in the top rounds.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 20, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this is the most intelligent post in this thread
by notthatnoise on Nov 21, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve taken exactly two guards in the draft in the last ten years (Manuia Savea in the 7th round in 2000 and Paul Zukauskas in the 7th round in 2001). I think it’s time.
The other teams in the AFC North have taken a combined 14 guards in the last decade, the best of which having been taken in the 1st and 2nd and 4th rounds (Grubbs(1st), Kendall Simmons(1st), Steinbach(2nd), Mulitato(4th), and Colon(4th)).
by golanbatrac on Nov 21, 2009 3:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
those are good stats, and i agree we need to get a guard sooner rather than later. but those stats also seem to confirm Dorn’s assessment that we’d be okay waiting until round 3 or 4 and still get a decent one.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 21, 2009 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it takes a special kind of lineman to get drafted in the first round, guard in particular
by notthatnoise on Nov 21, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing with Dorn. Though if the right player is there in an earlier round, I wouldn’t hesitate to take him.
by golanbatrac on Nov 21, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To add to this, there were 8 guards taken in the first round between 1999 and 2008 (Hutchinson, Mankins, Simmons, S. Andrews, D. Joseph, Stinchcomb, Grubbs, and Albert). The only miss of the 8 is Stinchcombe.
There wer 21 guards taken in the 2nd, 18 in the third, and 22 taken in the fourth.
41% of the guards taken in the last ten years were taken in the first or second rounds, and the hit miss ratio in those rounds is much better than in rounds 3 and 4.
Here’s the 8 best guards taken in rounds 2 through 4 between 1999 and 2008 (in order according to CarAV):
2nd: R. Thomas, Gurode, Snee, B. Williams, Steinbach, Coleman, Claredge, Smiley
3rd: Manuwai, Dockery, Piller, Spitz, Incognito, Rex Tucker, Brzezinski, Loverne
4th: B. Hamilton, Mulitato, Welbourn, Garza, Carlisle, Holland, Colon, Sciullo
by golanbatrac on Nov 21, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be opposed to taking a guard in the 1st round…just not this year. A team in shape as bad as the BRowns are need to focus on acquiring players that are less easily attainable. Franchise player types. A guard cannot ever be a franchise player.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 21, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. We already drafted a center in the first round, we’re not going to take a guard this year. We need playmakers. You can find good guards later in the draft.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 21, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about one of the Pouncey brothers? I think they will be good in the NFL for a long time
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 21, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
With the draft this season projected to be very deep, finding talent in later rounds wheter it be at whatever position, is more likely than in previous.
This is only an opinion, but if I were GM, I would honestly view where I think this team is and how long it would take for me to turn it around. If 3 or more years, I would look at trading Rogers for a good pick now and handing the keys over to Rubin. I would trade C. Williams to a 4-3 team, drafting a solid DE that can rush the passer from the 3-4 (similar to Pitt DE’s).
At QB, I am looking @ Ryan Mallett. If he declares this year, he is my 1st round pick. If not, I am signing Pennington and sitting on drafting Mallet in 11’.
I would really try to find a way to acquire another pick or two for this years 2nd and 3rd rounds. There is going to be a ton of talent still there in the 3rd and 4th, and 1st round potential throughout the 2nd.
Can any one Browns Employee be competent?
by Dawg26 on Nov 21, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why is Corey Williams even here. Another genius move by Savage and gang.
by skipkirk on Nov 21, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Corey Williams. I don’t like his contract.
by golanbatrac on Nov 21, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with most things said here. I just think nobody is going to give mangini more than 3 years after this year, and if they trade shaun rogers the fans would be screaming for blood.
by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I´m sorry for the commotion.
But I´ve been around for a while.
And I´ve learned a few things in the course of my life.
One is, that you don´t deescalate a situation if you didn´t cause it, much less so if you´re not getting any respect.
Secondly, if there is a scuffle, no one will ask who started it, they will only look to see who was the worse participant. I think that trophy goes to Buckeye and his willing accomplices in bullying me.
Thirdly, you can count on people not going back, if they cross lines they shouldn´t have crossed. I tried to let them come back to square one several times. Unfortunately it´s just so much more fun to continue being wrong, with no one to police it.
I´ll keep being friendly, without checking my intellect at the door.
And if worse comes to worse, stop posting altogether.
by mooncamping on Nov 24, 2009 8:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t be the same with you, Moon.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 24, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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