1. it is not shady for mangini to tell on belichick, he was cheating, which put the jets at a competitive disadvantage. anybody would have done that.

It was shady. I am sure that Bilichick was doing this when Mangini was in New England. Mangini was benefiting from the cheating in NE, parlayed it into a HC gig and then narcs on the old team? C’Mon, that is textbook shady.

3. things like this happen every week. and personally, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the lions were faking on purpose. maybe mangini shouldn’t have said anything publicly, but i hardly think this event was "shady"

I agree. It was stupid for him to say anything, but teams do this crap all the time, mostly against the Colts.

4. he has been investigated AND FOUND INNOCENT OF ANY WRONGDOING in the injury to james davis earlier this year. just because someone was investigated for something doesn’t mean they did anything wrong.

Yes he was cleared in the James Davis situation. I have not heard the same for Keith Grennan. Not to mention that the NFLPA is investigating the Browns.

5. he didn’t stab his friend in the back. lerner was clear the entire time that mangini would not be fired during the season, so the notion that mangini threw his friend under the bus to save his job is completely unfounded. all reports are that kokinis refused to work with anyone and had essentially quit doing his job. you would get fired from your job too if you quit doing it, and it wouldn’t be the fault of the guy who got you the job in the first place.

I don’t know if I would call it shady, but it isn’t a great sign when a HC hand picks his own GM and cannot work with him. There was a massive mis-communication at some point in time. That is partly Mangini’s fault.

6. why is it shady that he deals with his former team? he knows those players really well and they know his systems. it makes perfect sense for him to make those types of deals, and again, that type of thing happens all over the nfl.

Right. I still think we sold low on Edwards (No, I am not trying to start that debate again.) but I have loved Trusnik so far and the draft day trade was awesome. Mack is a gangster.

I recomment the notthatnoise´s defense of Eric Mangini.
Here is mine:
1. Mangini honestly commented on the New England Patriot´s policies regarding use of video.
- Eric Mangini gave a conscientious statement to an NFL legal squad, to prevent perjury. Most people think he could have toppled the Patriots franchise.
2. Mangini failed to properly assess Brett Favre´s injury.
- Eric Mangini delegated the responsibility towards designating players for the injury report, and showed character in taking the hit.
3. Mangini blamed the Lions players for leaving the field, to affect the clock.
- TV couldn´t go to commercials and had problems controling the format and time frame of the broadcast, so they prompted the AP to scrutinize Mangini and Schwartz. No coach in his right mind would critique players´ reactions upon injury, if it wasn´t clearly evident that they were faking it. I read this as a cautionary by Eric Mangini towards his own team.
4. Mangini was blamed by players from his team, that training sessions aimed to give backup players an opportunity to make the starting lineup, resulted in injury. Furthermore his players went to the media and an NFL authority in trying to assert Eric Mangini´s practices are too harsh for professional football players, thus forcing him to defend his standpoint.
- Eric Mangini is being nice, by not calling out these players for disloyalty. There is no standard for NFL practices. To do so would further impede coaches´ liberties.
5. This assertion is yours WOLF. You claim Eric Mangini backstabbed his friend and colleague George Kokinis to save his own job.
- George Kokinis was supposedly mobbed and impeded in his professional competence. Eric Mangini acted as a friend, in preventing him from further hardships.
6. Mangini is somehow fraudulent for dealing with his former employer the New York Jets.
- Eric Mangini accepted collateral, in trading down to get Alex Mack. He has seen some of these players close-up, which puts him at an advantage to judge their potential towards the Browns, they are risk free signees because he can trust his own scouting. The Jets is a very nice destination for Braylon Edwards.
7. And I think you´re also asserting this, WOLF: Mangini only acts like a good guy. And that he is a shifty character, who is unpredictable in his pursuit of fame and fortune.
- Eric Mangini is high character. There is too much aggravation in Cleveland, to claim a guy is in it for personal gain and aggrandizement.
But I must also laud you WOLF, for corralling points of contention against Eric Mangini. It´s a good heads up.