Post-Game Thread: Bengals Sweep AFC North With 16-7 Win Over Browns
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 29, 2009 4:39 PM EST
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PrintAfter breaking out offensively against the Detroit Lions last week, the Cleveland Browns' offense returned to normal this week, gaining only 169 yards against the Cincinnati Bengals' defense.
Overall, the Browns really only had two drives -- their opening drive, and their touchdown-scoring drive. The touchdown drive in the third quarter was creative, including a Joshua Cribbs-to-Brady Quinn pass, a nice back shoulder throw from Quinn to Mohamed Massaquoi, a quick run to Jamal Lewis, and then a five-wide QB sneak for the touchdown by Quinn. The score brought the Browns to within 13-7 half-way through the third quarter, keeping the Browns in the game.
A late field goal in the third quarter by the Bengals made it a two possession game again, and the Browns weren't aggressive enough in the fourth quarter to put any more points on the scoreboard.
Defensively, the run defense was not very good but the team managed to make a few key stops on third downs. Most impressive on the day was new LB Matt Roth, who recorded a sack and appeared to have a knack for bull-rushing.
On the down side, DT Shaun Rogers was carted off during the game. LB Kamerion Wimbley also left the game on two different occasions with injuries.
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Not only is this team bad, but we are a boring bad.
Our skill players are the worst in the NFL and I don’t think it is very close.
Let the Brady Quinn “Sucks” begin.
What was with the 3rd and 1, I think the 3rd series after Lewis jus got 6 yards and the call was a inside handoff, almost like an old trap play to Cribbs? I was baffled. Oh well.
Rush defense was horrible, and the offense was the same.
One more month to go. A new coach? A GM, and the draft, it never ends.
i think a lot of people, at least the people i was talking to, think that quinn can be decent with a good running game and legit WRs (i’m one of these people as well.)
our top two needs in the draft are either safety or dt (aka eric berry or suh) and a rb. we’ll have james davis next year which should also help. his injury really hurt us.
on the bright side, matt roth looked good and trusnik/stuckey are making the braylon trade look great.
I am one of few people who actually like Quinn. I believe he can win.
A running back that can get to line and into the hole in less than 5 seconds would be nice. I would love to have Suh on the D line next year.
Dabol should of been gone after the bye week.
i like quinn too. and like i said above, if we can get him a good RB and receiving group, then he should be fine.
anyone who thinks that jimmy clausen can do any better next year is out of their mind. (i’ve seen far too many mocks with the browns taking him.) if you don’t have offensive weapons, you can’t do crap. the only qb who could come in this offense and still do consistently well is peyton manning because he can make something out of nothing.
I would really like for Quinn to be the long-term solution at QB, but if he can’t improve on his accuracy in these last few games, we can’t rely on him going into next year. Yeah, there were some dropped passes, but there were many more badly thrown passes.
i see your point. i think his accuracy is better than what we saw today, though. i just don’t want to draft another qb when they still don’t have a solid running game or receiving corp.
we’ll just see how he finishes out the season.
I too think it might be possible for BQ to succeed here if he has a team around him. I’d rather see us concentrate on building that team before we swing for the bleachers with an expensive quarterback pick. I mean, we should definitively acquire talent to challenge BQ for the starting spot (and DA should be gone) but let’s not mortgage the future looking for “The One” at this point….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 29, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Admit it. Neither one is a real NFL QB. They are just getting a paycheck for getting hammered on and off the field. What QB will we draft next?
You’re entitled to that opinion. I’m just not looking forward to another round of “Draft the Messiah” in which the expensive and lucky winner will be thrown into a meat grinder.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 29, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
If we had a decent scouting program we would not have all of these “saviours” killing us. Most teams knew Quinn was no a 1st rounder but the Browns were not one of them. They are rather pathetic at judging talent. They might as well call Mel Kiper and ask him who they should draft when its their turn.
by dragon43078 on Nov 29, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
That’s actually not the point. Most people thought that Quinn wasn’t going to fall past Miami (including the NFL, which is why he was invited to be on site for the draft) which would have made him a top 10 pick.
After Miami channeled the Raiders draft process by taking Ginn way too soon, the free fall began. You had a bunch of teams that had no need for a QB.
by Chief WaDrew on Nov 30, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks he looks scared back there? As soon as he hikes the ball he has happy feet. He has not taken over this team and made it his. Even some of the good throws he made, he was looking at the receiver as soon as he got the ball…locked on like DA. I hate to say it but I really dont think he is the one. :(
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 30, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
He wouldn’t be the first QB to have happy feet early in his career. Everything that’s wrong with him is coachable.
With the protection he often receives, you’d be scared, too. He’s constantly under assault in the backfield. Watching other teams play, I don’t think there’s anything like it league-wide. I’m going to make no excuses for his happy feet or for the inaccurate passes, but going through progressions and allowing receivers to run routes does require some time in the pocket.
Then, to add insult to injury, we have a lot of miscues with Quinn making different reads than his receivers — but what do you expect when your #1 WR is a rookie and your QB is making his sixth start of the year? And then there’s the dropped balls.
by Western Reserve on Nov 30, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
by the sixth start of the year your qb shouldn’t be making mistakes like that. also, i think you are way undervaluing our line. our line isn’t top 3 but its in the top half in football.
by notthatnoise on Nov 30, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
by the sixth start of the year your qb shouldn’t be making mistakes like that
Teh rookies this year are still making these mistakes and they have more starts this year than Quinn in his career. My case in Sanchez. And look at Cutler, i think he is a good QB, he just has no receivers, but he makes mistakes with reads.
I don’t think six starts — especially not even in subsequent weeks — is a vast amount of playing experience to expect the offense to mesh, what little meshing is even possible in such a horrible system and with such a lack of talent. I think the QB and WRs share blame for the misreads.
Massaquoi, I like him, I’m happy to have him, but he’s prone to make rookie mistakes — because he’s a rookie, after all. He can’t read a blitz to save his life, for example. When he should be breaking his route, he stays course while Quinn is forced to get the ball out. The result is usually an ugly incompletion.
Again, I’m not looking to absolve Quinn of any of his own miscues, but I just think some of these woes on offense should be expected considering what there is to work with and the general inexperience.
by Western Reserve on Nov 30, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
oh i’m perfectly fine with saying massaquoi is just making rookie mistakes. My problem is, every other team around the league had these types of mistakes by the QB ironed out by week six. after six weeks of starting, quinn should be able to do the same. He’s had 2.5 years in the nfl, admittedly with not a ton of playing time, but he should be past most of his rookie mistakes by now.
by notthatnoise on Nov 30, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree if Quinn 6 starts was not 3 here sit for 4 weeks and then 3 weeks here.You can not think a QB and WR can get stuff worked out if you pull your QB wait 4 weeks and then throw him back in.Sorry this team is not a great team we are not the Pats or Colts were we can just toss a QB in and the talent is so great that it can work.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, it’s just not a big enough body of work by Quinn to say he should have ironed out his mistakes by now. He is still learning. Even Troy Aikman, and Peyton Manning said that they learned so much at the end of their rookie seasons, (1-15, and 3-13 respectively), that there is no way Quinn has had that length of time to learn his position, and work out his mistakes.
i immediately call bs on this. quinn is in his third season, with years of practice time, preseason games, and even a few starts last year. i’m not saying he’s equal to a third year starter, but he’s no rookie.
There is no way you can even think that practice time is anything like game time.As well how many games in 3 years has Quinn played? 8 or 9 games the amount of years practice does not even come close to game speed in the NFL.With nothing in place no ground game WR that can’t get free or catch and half the line that can’t block there is no way we can sit here and say Quinn is bad.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 1, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
At the beginning of the season i would have slapped myself for saying this, but i would like to trade shaun rogers. not because he’s a bad player, but because i believe he could be replaced with suh. we could trade rogers for a lower first round pick and grab a qb with that pick, thus avoiding the ridiculous price we would have to pay a number 1 overall qb.
by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
i also think rogers is 29 or so now, so by the time we were good enough to need him, it would be too late.
by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think we could get a late first for him? Compared to what Detroit got for him when he was a couple years younger. Not saying it is a bad idea to trade him, but if you are going to think about it, you should be more realistic.
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detroit got a third and a starting CB for a player everyone said was fat and lazy with character issues and who hadn’t put together a good season for two years. cleveland could get a first round pick for a pro bowl nose tackle, especially with so many teams switching to a 3-4 and with so few good nose tackles in the league. I was being realistic.
by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t think its that unlikely, remember i’m not talking top 15, i mean about the 20-25 area. how much money did haynesworth get last year? was that equal to a first round pick? i’m not saying rogers is haynesworth, but he’s not worth that much less. again, for the reasons i stated above, i think we could get a first for him. i don’t think its a guarantee but i think its a possibility. i also wouldn’t be upset with a mid-to-high second rounder.
by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think you are even close. Bodden wasn’t that highly thought of and Rogers was a Pro Bowler before he came to Cleveland. Rogers is a top 3 NT in the league. But nobody is giving up a first for him.
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I think I agree with you, but I don’t understand it. You’d have control of Rogers for a little while, and you’re definitely not likely to draft someone better than him. I think draft picks are overvalued around the league.
rogers was a pro bowler THREE YEARS before he came to cleveland. you can’t possibly tell me rogers’ value hasn’t gone up in cleveland
by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
First, you are mistaken. He was a Pro Bowler in 2004 and 2005. He came to Cleveland after 2007.
Second, he is 30.
Third, I’m not saying his value isn’t higher now than it was when we acquired him. He just wouldn’t net us a 1st rounder on the trade market. He is further removed from some off the field trouble. But that is countered by the fact that he is 2 years older and now getting paid a ton of money. That is a big deal.
Then again, I just remembered the Seymour trade. So, maybe if we get the Raiders or someone as inept as Al Davis involved, we could get a first round pick for Rogers.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 29, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not if he blew out his achilles, we won’t. If that’s the case he may never be the same.
by golanbatrac on Nov 29, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
my bad on the pro bowl thing, i thought it had been longer.
i said i thought he was 29 or so, thats pretty close
i think we could get a team looking for that last piece on defense to take a shot. i don’t think its a done deal, but i don’t think its out of the realm of possibility.
of course, none of this matters if his injury is serious.
by notthatnoise on Nov 30, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I had hopes for Quinn, but he really seemed to react poorly to pressure today. He threw several passes behind receivers and even more down at the receivers’ feet.
Did anyone else notice that last week was the first time Quinn looked not just mentally looser, but physically as well? I’m wondering if some of his accuracy issues have to do with him focusing too much on the weight room before a game. I don’t have anything solid to point to other than in the Detroit game his arms didn’t seem to be quite as pumped up. It would be nice to think his accuracy issues could be fixed by something as simple as slapping him anytime he tried to head for the weight room right before a game.
Our defense looks better than last year. I think that is because we have a more aggresive coordinator and at some positions, we have some new and exciting players (Trunsik and Roth). The other reason our defense looks okay at times is because the other teams just decide that the bare minimum is good enough to beat us.
The Bengals could have hung 35 on us, they just decided to run their 2nd and 3rd string RBs down our throats all afternoon. I think that the rest of the teams on the schedule will follow suit.
Without Rogers (I am assuming that he will be out for some time), our run defense will easily be the worst in the NFL and teams will gash us from here on out.
I half wonder if our run defense might not improve with Rubin (a true Nose Tackle) in at Nose Tackle?
I don’t think this defense gets better in any fashion without Shaun Rogers.
He has been our best defender for two years now. If you think our ILB’s got abused today wait until next week.
Sproles and LT will be running wild.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 29, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think they “just decided to run their 2nd and 3rd string RBs down our throats all afternoon.” It’s more that those plays were working a lot better for them than the passing game. The Browns were getting decent pressure on Palmer even if they weren’t getting sacks every time.
What I noticed (or thought I noticed) about the Browns run defense was that most of the time it seemed that they were focusing more on trying to strip the ball than on bringing the ball carrier down. I suppose that it may have just been a result of the defenders not being in the right spot to be able to do anything more than reach their arm in – either way it wasn’t good.
I did get a good chuckle out of Mike Adams’ arms in “prepare to strip” mode as he was running toward the ball.
by Chief WaDrew on Nov 30, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
i also don’t think they just decided to run this game. They are a running team now, they don’t have chris henry, and the pass offense, while still good, isn’t what it used to be. at the same time, cedric benson was one of the leagues top rushers when he got injured. cincinnati runs the ball, thats just what they do.
their second string running back is also a 2-time pro-bowler…
by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
They were pretty much a 50/50 run pass team coming into this game. Last time we played the Bengals they threw the ball 44 times.
Today, they ran the ball 45 times and passed it 24. Yes they had a lead, but it wasn’t a huge lead. In fact it was never more than a two score game. Palmer has only thrown less than 24 times in a game once this season.
And Larry Johnson is nowhere near a two time Pro Bowler anymore. If we are going to say that, then why didn’t the Browns run the ball with Pro Bowler Jamal Lewis? He is a turd that with KC was averaging 2.9 YPC. We got gashed by a turd and a division II rookie.
The Bengals may be more ground oriented than years prior, but with this pathetic offense and horrid run defense, we will see every team from here on out run a cookie cutter offense that is focused on not shooting themselves in the foot and waiting for the Browns to do just that.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 29, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Chiefs run a power blocking scheme now. That’s why LJ was struggling.
Last year, on a really bad Chiefs team running a similar zone blocking scheme as the Bengals now run, LJ averaged 4.5 yards per carry.
You can think that.
I believe that he is a 30 year old back that was over worked and has zero explosion left. Jamal Charles hasn’t struggled with the new blocking scheme. He has always been a pain in the ass and a quitter.
The guy is washed up and a douche.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 29, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
He’s always been good behind a zone blocking scheme.
by golanbatrac on Nov 29, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Bengals have already doubled last year’s win total with 5 games left to go.
The victory over the Browns completes the sweep of the AFC North.
If the Browns finish out the season 1-4, they could double their wins next year and get back to Crennel’s 4-12 exit year.
And if they finish the season 5-0 their win total would equal palcal’s IQ.
by golanbatrac on Nov 29, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha yep!
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 30, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
ON the bright side
Art Modell has been named a hall of fame semi finalist.
I am beginning to doubt Mangini’s coaching credentials. I think it can be said now that we’re more than halfway into the season.
I have nothing against his draft picks. I like them. I like his acquisitions from the Jets and wherever for the most part. We can say that Robiskie and Veikune are letdowns, but if you compare Massaquoi’s and Maiava’s development then obviously the former two are the ones who aren’t doing enough. Though, I don’t know of any team that drafts players all 100%. We’ve got a couple of good players and some bad ones. So perhaps Robiskie, Veikune, Carey and Francies are just numbers in statistical averages.
I don’t have any issues with his training schemes or length of them or his disciplinarian approach either. But the selection of Daboll and the play calling just baffles me. It beggars belief. Time and again we see run plays on 3rd and long. I get that he’s calling plays for the first time, but there’s something called learning that humans can all do. Why hasn’t he learned that some things just don’t work?
Well said. I’m baffled by Daboll’s awfulness and why he continues to be allowed to display it with only brief interruptions week after week now.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 29, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Everytime the TV cuts to him, he’s running his eyes up and down the piece of paper. “Uhm uhmmmmm. Ok. This one. Let’s do this one”. He has no specific idea or plan to win a new set of downs, let alone to win the game.
And when the play doesn’t work, the TV cuts to him again, and his facial expression looks like “Oh, oh dear. Uhm what, damn”. If anyone here has watched Band of Brothers here, Daboll reminds me of Sobel.
They should just use Madden 2010 to call the plays
by HenryDawg on Dec 1, 2009 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I believe Rufio week 2 had concerns about Dabol. I had seen enough about week 4. How in the world this guy is still calling plays is beyond belief. He must have something on Mangini.
But enough is enough. Please give Dabol a different job, one without a headset.
The worst thing is, to me, that Mangini doesn’t step in. Fine, he hasn’t called offensive plays either. But come on. Can’t he go over to him and say “Brian, it was 3rd and 11!! A run play off a shotgun?!”
How about ‘“Your services are no longer required here” or "Can you make sure Carl Smith has all your notes? He’ll be taking over for you next week."
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 29, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Mangini has been quick to change everything but Daboll this year.
Mangini must be enjoying something in Daboll’s performance that we don’t see.
Mangini enjoys having someone around to blame besides himself?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 29, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I typically hope that both look incredibly inept and the game ends in a tie.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 29, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
New GM
Anybody hear a rumor about Bill “The Big Tuna” Parsells being in the run for GM?? Heard this at the bar today watching the game?? I left at half time the game was boring so I finished my Christmas shopping instead, I had more excitement standing in the checkout line!!
New everything
We need a real coach, QB and owner. Trade away what we can but keep Thomas, Cribbs and the rookies. Use the resulting draft picks and put them into packages to trade for extra picks in the first 2 rounds. That is where most of the impact players are. Sure, we get some players from lower rounds that play well, but usually the 1st 2 rounds are where the players that can relly help are.
Nope. The line forms behind Moon.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 29, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
2 Words - Sam Bradford
Lets get real. Our QBs both suck. The good news – we now know they both suck. Why would you pay franchise QB money to any player other than a franchise QB. PIck Bradford – then we will have a QB that doesn’t suck. Dude is scary accurate, has a live arm, and is a nice athlete. Then we draft a RB with the second pick. Let DA or BQ serve as a punching bag until Bradford is ready – like the opener next year.
jake locker has JaMarcus Russel written all over him. tremendous physical tools, not a whole lot else.
by notthatnoise on Nov 29, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
A QB must have the intelligence to understand the game and the reflexes to act on it. There are several out there who just wing it and hope. There are also others who over analyse it and can not react fast enough. The one who can do both is a rare commodity.
Vince Young is one who reacts without thinking it through. Against poor defensive teams, this works. Against a good defensive team he looks like a high schooler. Quinn is the type that needs a lot of time in the pocket. More time than most lines can give him.
by dragon43078 on Nov 29, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really think Bradford can survive in the AFC North? He seems brittle to me.
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 30, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
i don’t think the afc north quite lives up to that reputation anymore.
by notthatnoise on Nov 30, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Are you sure you want to use our 1st pick on one of these QB"S? With all of our problems, the QB is not the most pressing. Protecting the QB and stopping the other team is. There should be several good ones in the 2nd round available.
Just hire Parcels and get out of his way. Let him re-organize this team to resemble a real NFL team.
by dragon43078 on Nov 29, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I just said I like Locker better, I wouldnt draft a QB in the first round. Eric Berry, or the guy Suh from Nebraska. I havent really seen Suh since I am on the West Coast, anyone think he is the real deal?
When Kansas played Nebraska a couple of game ago they chose to double-team him and handled him pretty easily.
by cleveland.brown on Nov 30, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Suh was in on 3 tackles and got credit for 2 QB hurries against Kansas.
If they doubled him the entire game, this is exactly why he would be so valuable.
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If 2 lineman from the Kansas team can handle him I’m not sure that is a plus for his pro career. The Browns needs some offense and I hope we can get it in this draft.
by cleveland.brown on Nov 30, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
The point is a.) they had to double team him and b.) he wasn’t “handled”.
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Yeah, drawing double teams is the single most important thing you want out of a D Lineman in the 3-4.
I’m not sure he’ll be drawing double teams.
by cleveland.brown on Nov 30, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
and to be fair most if not all interior lineman commands double-teams. What sets them apart is the ability to collapse the pocket regardless
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 1, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
If 2 lineman from the Kansas team can prevent him from making a difference then 1 NFL caliber lineman will spin him around like he was wearing a tutu in a ballet. He was a non-factor. I was disappointed in his performance knowing that he may be the best option for the Browns in the 1st round.
by cleveland.brown on Nov 30, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Was this the only game you have seen of him? He has been a total difference maker against double teams for the majority of the season. I didn’t see the Kansas game, but it’s possible he had an off day or Kansas had a really nice scheme in place to keep him from taking over the game.
Yes at that time it was the only game that I’d seen him play in and yes you could be right about him having an off day. I still hope that there will be other options for us to draft and preferably on offense, because DL isn’t a desperate need when the Browns score south of 9 pts/game on average.
by cleveland.brown on Nov 30, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Even if you feel we should prioritize offensively, I think the logic behind a guy like Suh is maximizing value. We don’t want to pick high, but we’re going to have to, so we look to a guy that we can hopefully park at a critical position for years to come.
by Western Reserve on Nov 30, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
But he wasn’t prevented from making a difference. Sometimes our eyes deceive us in sports. I think this is one of those times for you.
First, Jeff Spikes is an NFL caliber o-lineman.
Second, Suh had 2 QB hurries and 3 tackles.
If Suh was drawing double teams, he was doing his a very big part.
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Granted, I don’t want either team in the playoffs, but this Steelers/Ravens game has been very exciting. Rushing the Ravens FG unit onto the field to try the last second field goal was really tense; our former guy Cundiff hit it perfect but was right when he said his range was 53 yards.
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I liked the pre-game more when Hines Ward pretty much laid out the fact that Ben Roethlisberger is a drama queen.
On the other hand, I really like Dennis Dixon. I liked him out of Oregon, he just reminds me of Randall Cunningham.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 29, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the pre-game more when Hines Ward pretty much laid out the fact that Ben Roethlisberger is a drama queen the part where the steelers lost in OT.
by emily522 on Nov 30, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It doesn’t matter who it is, I think a player should sit one week if he gets a concussion. A head injury is dangerous, and not everyone is Brett Favre and can play into their 40s. they need to think about life outside of football and have a mind when they are done playing.
Did any one else hear about the Pittsburg player who sat out the Denver game because of the sickle cell traight? he lost his spleen last year playing in Denver, b/c of the elevation. This year he was told he could play because they already took out the area it would affect, the spleen. he still sat out b/c he was thinking about his future. I applaude that.
Good game overall guys
I was glad Quinn was starting this time. As bad as DA is, he seems to play better football against us.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Nov 30, 2009 1:12 AM EST reply actions
Was this in reference to the Houston/Indy game?
by Chief WaDrew on Nov 30, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Robiske! Where is he? It seemed he had good hands at OSU and could catch the imperfect pass. Is the too slow on his routes? Too slow in practice, who guards him McDonald? ahhhh and he cant get some reps?
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by Red-Right-88 on Nov 30, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I bet those screens worked great in practice. It’s like building a baseball offense around the bunt.
This was another game we just punted on. We weren’t scoring, so they kept reigning in the playbook, trying to keep from making a mistake, hoping to avoid injury (oops) and embarrassment. Keep it close, maybe try to sneak out a Buffalo-type win.
Mangini’s been looking at 2010 from day 1, or at least from game 3. I just think he might have underestimated the negativity that came along with punting a year in our current situation.
The difference between Quinn and Jamal Lewis is that , while both are competiting for the bottom of their position in the NFL, the former at least has some glimmer of potential on him.
i don’t think you can say the browns were just trying to keep from making a mistake. didn’t they have cribbs throw a pass back to quinn, not even out of the wildcat? while the playcalling was certainly terrible, i don’t know that you can say they gave up.
by notthatnoise on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t say “gave up.” But still, no wildcat, very few throws down field, heavy on slow man Jamal Lewis, punting on 4th and 3 from the Cincy 43 in the 4th quarter. Even with the fancy play to Quinn, the overall theme is considerable caution.
But that, unfortunately, is what our offense has come to these days.
I’d agree they didn’t take enough shots down the field earlier in the game.
by Western Reserve on Nov 30, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
imo, i think that if the browns want to draft a QB they need to wait until like the 3rd round. they need to get eric berry or suh and a RB before taking a QB again. anyone know of any decent QB prospects that’d be around in the 3rd?
I’m not sure what the point would be of drafting a QB at that point. I wouldn’t expect them to find good value there, and if Quinn is a bust, and you just want a QB to stand in and be cannon fodder, well, just continue to start the guy we have.
by Western Reserve on Nov 30, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I am still in shock that we give the ball to Lewis.This is not the 50’s were 3 yards and a cloud of dust works out.He should not be the main back.This is one of the big eason we have isues with pasing.No team is worried about him running on them so they drop LB into passing lanes and make it alot harder to pass.
Correct. In fact, I think the defenses encourage Lewis to gain a couple yards so that we will keep trying it. We have absolutely no hope of anything more than a 5 yard carry.
I think a real RB is the biggest single thing we could do to improve the team next year.
I wouldn’t much mind if we were, say, a 55/45 run to pass team, but, yeah, Jamal isn’t the guy.
I’d lend myself to building in the trenches as the top priority, but no doubt RB is an urgent need.
by Western Reserve on Nov 30, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m thinking more like Smith vs. Couch:
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I remember wanting the Browns to take Ricky Williams. McNabb ended up being the best pick in the top 5. But I don’t think anyone thought the Browns were considering him seriously.
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I wanted McNabb so bad watched him play ball in a few games and was in love with him.Still have no clue why he did not get the hype that these two jokers got
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 30, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
This draft was a bit before my team as a knowledgeable fan, so I kind of just put my hope behind whomever they took. I do remember wanting Lavar Arrington over Courtney Brown.
i was 7 years old and didn’t even know that the browns ever left lol
by emily522 on Nov 30, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lavar Arrington should have been one of the greatest LBs ever to play.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 30, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Arrington had a huge game against OSU, but given the option between a DE with Brown’s potential and a LB with Arrington’s potential, I think you take the DE every time.
Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome on Brown vs. Arrington:
“If both were free agents, who would get more money? The defensive end. How many times can you get an elite defensive lineman? Not very often. But you often can get a good linebacker with Pro Bowl potential in the middle of the draft.”
Injuries killed Brown’s career, but on draft day, Brown was the smart pick.
Wow. Signed by both. That could get what, 5 bucks on ebay?
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 30, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
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