OBR's McBride responds to Protest
Great post by Barry McBride at the OBR that highlights a lot of my feelings about the intentions of the protest.
With regards to Randy Lerner, he also hits the nail on the head. "Evil earns my hatred and wrath. Well-meaning failure does not."
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Excellent article.
Dawg Pound Mike is an embarrassment.
by golanbatrac on Nov 7, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1/3 of fans support him right now. I really hope the other 2/3s stick it out and boycott the protest.
by skipkirk on Nov 7, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See, that’s exactly what McBride won’t say. He thinks there is good intentions and reasonable frustrations, and he just doesn’t think this is the right time for a protest of this sort. The whole point of his article is that we shouldn’t call Dawg Pound Mike an embarrassment, just that his protest is misplaced.
Your simplification and personalization of this thing is a grating.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the line “Well meaning failure…”
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I largely agree with McBride (though I think “failure” is too strong of a word. These guys have been incredibly successful.)
It is the “Dawg Pound Mike is an embarrassment” crap that gets on my nerves.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the failure quote was referring to Lerner. His point was that fans misdirect their anger at Lerner, who in his opinion, is doing everything possible to field a winner, just not doing a good job at it. I agree.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the failure line was directed toward how Mike handled it and that he wasn’t even protesting what most people thought he should have been.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good reading. I particularly enjoyed this:
What started as an expression of anger somehow mutated into stadium atmosphere items (too much security, ring of honor). Somewhere, fans got a bit of a bait-and-switch. This was about a perpetually incompetent Browns team. Now it’s about being able to swear in the Dawg Pound?
It’s hard to even agree or disagree about a protest if it’s unclear what the purpose and objective is.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 7, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Nov 7, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you posted the article.
I’ll agree with all that Barry wrote…..most of the points here should have been dealt with by the Browns GM, particularly given the quality of the PD’s sports staff (T. Pluto excluded).
I expect that Lerners position with GK is based on these types of issues.
by overthere on Nov 8, 2009 8:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for posting this intimate insightful article.
It´s a man sharing his painful love affair with a city and it´s football team. Unfortunately it also transports a message of resignation and timidness. He is simultaneously lauding the fans´ loyalty and perseverance, while trying to discount the validity of one third of theirs concerns and justification in finding a way to voice their displeasure.
I welcome the upheaval and the righteous anger, it´s a genuine response to a self limiting club culture. I will not discourage their indignation, because I think it will bear the fruit of a more likable and able franchise, if channeled into producing a vision representative of these paying customers, as well as those lending their support measurable in heart, enthusiasm and idealism.
We´re more than willing to help this one third to structure their thoughts and ideas for a sporting club with a big future. Just find a way to distill majority decisions, into a reviewable format for the FO´s consideration. You must find a way to generate meaningful discourse between the fan base and the franchises representatives.
We could generate meaningful questions during the week, and then set up ballot boxes in the stadium to collect the fans´ answers while the crisis lasts.
Like I said, meaningful discourse must be created. I trust the Cleveland Browns fans´ creativity, ingenuity and initiative.
by mooncamping on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This type of discussion is better suited for life-and-death topics. What are we talking about here? Just a game.
If half the effort put into the “boycott” were put into fighting poverty, hunger, senseless violence, or even the mutilation of female genitalia through circumcision, the world would be a better place. So please spare is talk about “righteous anger”. We’re talking about football, and Cleveland fans run the risk of being called petty and selfish.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Listen, sir! Conscientious fans are capable of discussing and resolving exactly such issues. An assemblage of citizens as represented by the Cleveland Browns fans is a significant demographic, and if you think they are dimwitted inconsequential people, you are mistaken.
by mooncamping on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“if you think they are dimwitted inconsequential people”
Where did I say the fans are dimwitted and inconsequential? I am not making any judgments about the people or individuals in this case.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Nov 8, 2009 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
< philosophical aside >
If half the effort put into footballthe "boycott"were put into fighting poverty, hunger, senseless violence, or even the mutilation of female genitalia through circumcision, the world would be a better place.
And yet it’s hard to blame people for wanting some entertainment in their lives, and I do tend to believe that once you get into an activist mindset, it sticks a bit and you can find it useful for all sorts of higher purposes.
Or maybe I just dislike any tendency toward encouraging apathy. Seems like we have enough of that on this planet.
</ philosophical aside >
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The club must consider these majority conclusions, but has to reserve judgement as a professional franchise with financial and image considerations, as well as conserving an ability to be strategic based on internal knowledge and matters of secrecy conducive to making good decisions.
by mooncamping on Nov 8, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think this fanshot points to a great article. But I think the author is somewhat holding up a straw-man when it comes to calling it a “boycott”. It is not a boycott. It is about the most minimal thing a group of fans can do to say “this ain’t what we want.”.
I wrote the following in another thread:
I’m actually coming around on the whole Brown-out thing. I normally would not think of bad football as a "cause" and be involved in more protest than writing here. But I have tickets to Monday night and there are some things I like about the idea:
1. It doesn’t cause the organization or players any real harm.
2. It seems like Lerner DOES care about this kind of thing and that the idea of it might have stirred him into action.
3. I like the idea that this will be Monday Night Football and they are sure to point it out and show a bunch of orange seats instead of people.
4. Though it doesn’t accomplish anything concrete it does put the stick in between the bars to "rattle the cage".
5. This team is last or near the bottom in almost every statistical measure. Why not?
It will be interesting to see how many fans actually sit out the kickoff. I expect a rather large Ravens contingent this year so it may not make that big of an impression even if a large number of fans observe the protest.
Having said all that, Barry makes a very good point about “Dogpound Mike’s” lack of focus on a clear objective and general goofyness. It doesn’t make a person want to be a part of the thing that’s for sure. I also like what he said about Lerner. People are definitely over-reacting to his handling of the situation and ascribing all kinds of evil intent that I believe is totally misplaced.
So in the end, I’m still kind of up in the air on the idea but leaning a bit more against at this moment.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Nov 8, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The problem is (and the article points this out in a matter of words) is that this “minimal effort” has been blown out of it’s minimal proportions. The national media and local sportswriters have focused on narrow topics and made it seem that all fans support. The fact that it will be the MNF game when the announcers will be talking about the isse ad nauseum – and without all the detailsentioned in the article – makes it impossible for this to be a small piece of fan communication.
As the saying goes, “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Nov 8, 2009 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for being the first dysfunctional cog in the wheel.
Join the critics of our effort.
The ballots should include yes or no options, and multiple choice to include undecided, so feel free to feed your demons.
by mooncamping on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but “my colors don’t run” :-)
Feel free to do as you wish…
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you are critical of something, doesn’t make you any less of a fan.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 8, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But in the fan hierarchy you better have your act together in times of change.
If you´re more of an introvert, or like to watch before you decide, you might want to get out of the way.
by mooncamping on Nov 9, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you make the cogent point Spidey. The message is apt to be so garbled and misread that it is probably better to do nothing. This is mostly due to certain individuals using this for a forum to air every pet-peeve they have. I’ll probably have to withstand the glares of the “true fans” coming into the stadium after opening kick-off but I’m going to be in my seat cheering the special teams Monday night.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Nov 9, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good article. I’m not 100% behind this protest, and if I had tickets to the game, I’d probably get to my seat before kickoff.
But I will still defend Mike and Tony for organizing this protest. They aren’t focused enough and that is probably because their frustration is misplaced to all sorts of aspects. But I agree with their goals of bettering the gameday atmosphere, enshrining Browns history in a better way, and getting Lerner to speak directly to the fans. Further, while they might not get any award for organizing a movement or media relations, these two guys have made their voice heard through the media and have communicated their frustration directly to Lerner.
I’m still not sure what I think of this situation overall. I kind of wish Mike and Tony didn’t start this, if for no other reason, like McBride says, because it has prompted fighting between Browns fans, when we should really be united.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good points, I certainly understand the other side of it when you present it this way.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike and Tony should announce whether it´s still on.
Maybe Mike and Tony aren´t alone in organizing discontent anymore. They had mentioned they were in contact with a lot of people.
by mooncamping on Nov 9, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From their websites and their most recent media interviews, the protest is still on.
And they are not alone in this effort, they are just the most visible and vocal leaders of this thing.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
















