Quinn or Anderson? Quarterback Decision Set to Come on Wednesday
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 PM EST
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It's already been made clear that the majority of Cleveland Browns fans would prefer to see QB Brady Quinn back under center when the team takes on the Baltimore Ravens next week on Monday Night Football. Granted, neither quarterback appears ready to revive our offense all of a sudden, but Anderson has worn out his welcome after failing to show results the past several games.
While it seems obvious to yank Anderson, head coach Eric Mangini has seemingly had something against Quinn in the same way Romeo Crennel didn't want to put the "kid" out there. Mangini announced that he knows who will start, but will not unveil his decision until Wednesday:
"I know where I'm headed, but we'll talk about that on Wednesday,'' he said. "I haven't talked to the quarterbacks about it yet, so that's part of it.'
This is the second time this season that Mangini has delayed the declaration of who the team's starting quarterback is. In Week 1, he withheld the information to gain a "competitive advantage" over the Minnesota Vikings. Now, after a bye week, he's waiting quite awhile again to name who the quarterback will be.
One of the big issues this season on offense has been the lack of chemistry between the quarterbacks and the receivers. So...if Mangini hasn't told the quarterbacks which of them is starting yet, does that mean we just wasted two weeks worth of practice for a particular quarterback to get more in-sync with the receivers? Eek.
Browns Drop Lower During Bye Week
Despite our pathetic team this season, at least we could "brag" that we weren't necessarily worse off than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This week, the Buccaneers upset the Green Bay Packers, and what an uplifting game it was for them. This is what happened:
- Rookie QB Josh Freeman made his NFL debut, leading the Bucs to a game-winning drive.
- The victory came at home, with the cannons blasting after every score.
- Members of the Buccaneers' young defensive line wrecked havoc on QB Aaron Rodgers.
All of the sudden, it seems like the Buccaneers could be on the upswing. Who else is starting to come alive? The Tennessee Titans have won two straight games since switching to QB Vince Young. The Rams also picked up their first victory two weeks ago (they had a bye this week). The team that is looking as "sad" as the Browns right about now? It's the Detroit Lions again. If the Browns/Lions game later this season doesn't draw national audiences, then I don't know what will.
Recapping Our Next Opponent - The Ravens
The Ravens lost for the second time this season to the Cincinnati Bengals, who are definitely for real. Baltimore was run all over by Cedric Benson again, and the Bengals' defense made Joe Flacco look like a turnover machine. If the Browns are somehow able to deliver the dagger in the Ravens' hopes of coming back for a wildcard spot in the division, under the (hopefully) direction of Brady Quinn, with potential rumors of someone like Mike Holmgren coming on board as team president, then maybe our spirits can be lifted just like the Buccaneers fans' were.
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The only rollercoaster I actually like to hear about is the Top Thrill Dragster. I hate this game.
Beginning of 2007 – WE WANT QUINN!
End of 2007 – DA! DA!
Beginning of 2008 – DA! DA!
Before Giants Game – WE WANT QUINN!
After Giants Game – DA! DA!
End of 2008 – ANYONE BUT GRADKOWSKI!
Beginning of 2009 – WE WANT QUINN!
Midway through 2009 – DA! DA!
See what I’m getting at?
That’s why I’m hoping and praying that DA at least is gone next year (and probably BQ too although I’m flexible on that based on future events). No matter who replaces them, at least this particular game will end.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 9, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I defended Mangini at the beginning of the season for the not naming the QB thing, but now he is just coming across as a moron. The fact that the players do not know yet, is pretty absurd.
MANGINI – “Hey Robo can you tell the difference between how DA and Quinn throw?”
ROBO – “No, I have no clue what to expect from either of them.”
MANGINI – “How about you MoMass?”
MOMASS – “I understand how Cribbs is going to trow better than those two!”
MANGINI – “Excellent…”
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 9, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would say my initial position was indifference and now it is becoming “Stop drawing attention on yourself and a 1-7 team.”
by Roger Dorn on Nov 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No kidding. Mangini’s strategy (or whatever) of keeping his QB secret just looks stupid. Even a high school football coach wouldn’t consider this type of secrecy advantageous to their game plan. This secrecy isn’t helping the team at all. We have very little going for us right now, so why do we need to create our own instability? Isn’t this team’s identity/game plan shaky enough at this point without the coach willfully helping it along? Can anyone tell me if Mangini has ever justified this tactic? I know at the start of the season he claimed to still be “Evaluating” them both, but based on DA’s performance over the majority of the season, I’m pretty sure everyone has a good grasp of what he’s capable of.
by Off-the-Chain on Nov 9, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
agree. and i’m sure the ravens could really give a crap about who starts. they’re going to win unless a miracle happens.
+1
trying to keep the information from your opponent just smells of weakness. Man up and let the team try and build some continuity.
I honestly think the only thing blocking the team from continuity at QB is a desire to save money on Quinn. If that’s the case, its the saddest thing I’ve heard in a long time. We basically threw away our season to save $.
by Off-the-Chain on Nov 9, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
We are not saving money, we are withholding paying a lot of money to someone who probably doesn’t deserve it.
So in the end it is ok to tank the season as long as we don’t pay a QB 11 mil.I understand the whole wanting to save a few bucks but and not pay out more cash to people that don’t deseve it but lets look at it.We pay DA 5 mil for what? We pay Lewis 3 mil for what? and sure there is alot others on here making cash that they are not worth.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well, DA most assuredly won’t be earning the last year of his current contract. Jamal is also done (granted I would have preferred to cut him last offseason to avoid the bonus and salary we are currently paying him.)
Bottom line is you don’t pay out 11 million for 2 years (not 1, which is a key difference) to a guy that you think doesn’t have a future as a starting QB. This is not about saving money, it’s about prudent roster management.
But we are in no way sure that he is not a good QB just placed in a bad spot is my point.I don’t disagree about not paying the money but not giving Quinn a chance last year or even more then 2.5 games this year to find out.
It is about money in the end and this might keep us from getting anyone later on down the road.Also are next few draft pick’s will see this now and demand that they get more money in the 1st year then later on.It is not good and will only come back to bite us in the ass in the end.
Really who would want to come to a team that don’t give you a chance and at the same time will not let you on the field to find out because they don’t want to pay you in case you are bad?
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 9, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns gave Quinn a chance. It’s not that they don’t want to pay him in case he’s bad, it’s that they don’t want to pay him because he’s bad.
If the money mattered then they wouldn’t have started Quinn at the beginning of the season. When he was terrible and couldn’t move the ofense they went to Anderson to get a spark. It was a justifiable decision. Now, there is no reason to pay Quinn that bonus when he doesn’t have a future as your starting QB. It’s that simple. If Quinn was playing well then the Browns would have no problem paying him the money. Players know that.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns gave Quinn a chance.
A brief one this year, against tough opponents, to be sure.
Now, there is no reason to pay Quinn that bonus when he doesn’t have a future as your starting QB.
If that decision has already been made, Mangini has no excuse not to start Ratliff, as the only QB left on the roster with any mystery to investigate. In fact, if it’s certain that BQ is at best a backup, I think Mangini is actually negligent if he doesn’t start Ratliff at some point this year.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Brady is no backup!
Mandingo is an IDIOT, he plays him 2 games w/out a decent offensive line and then yanks him. He set Brady Quinn up to fail, he brings Fraley back, puts Anderson in and all the sudden there is some decent pass protection. admittedly both QBs put the ball in receivers hands, but they couldn’t catch!!!!~! We need a coach that actually knows what he is doing!!!!!!! now he wants to create more controversy by keeping his secret what a f-cking MORON !!!!!
by irishbuckeye on Nov 10, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Gosh irishbuckeye, what do you really think?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
You think so? Never underestimate the power of human idiocy….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Irish… Yankee
TRSS, stop making new aliases!
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
So many exclamation points, so little sense.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 11, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry but a total of 6 games on the field you can not really say a QB is bad.As last year he looked avg to good.This year he has looked bad so now we have 3 good games 3 bad games so can anyone sit and say he is bad after a very very small sample of what he is.
In the end Quinn has not been given a fair shake here.I don’t think he is the answer but there is no way anyone can say he has got a fair shake.
Really look at all the bad games DA has and he still has a chance of being the starting QB vs Quinn who numbers for what it is worth is better then DA’s so far this year and yes we did not move the ball all that much but really has DA done any better?
Hell even the Raiders have stuck with there young QB just to see if he could get better.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 10, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you about Russell, but I want to also add to this…
Sorry but a total of 6 games on the field you can not really say a QB is bad.
I do recall that Eli Manning was pretty bad when he was named the starter. Kurt warner had a good team and was winning games. Warner did lose a few in a row and the Giants then wanted Eli, and they started dropping games (they got away from running Tiki, so Eli had to start throwing more). How many analysts were ready to write him off as another first round fluck?
Quinn’s “chance” was two full starts last season and two full starts this season, fragmented by an injury and coaching change, as well as the absurd QB derby. I’m not saying Quinn deserves the money, but honestly, I think he deserves a fairer evaluation than that. We know what we have in DA. We have known this since the end of ‘08. I still don’t think we can write off Quinn as not worth the money. The season is in the gutter, why not take a risk on a player who may or may not be worth it so we can finally be sure of it and move ahead looking for our next QB in the draft?
by Off-the-Chain on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Psst…
DA won’t be here next year. The Browns aren’t taking a QB in the draft. Quinn will get a full year to sink or swim in 2010.
(Unless, he looks as bad against Detroit and KC as he did against the Vikings, Broncos and Ravens.)
by golanbatrac on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Quinn did all that bad vs them teams given the way plays was called and after seeing how bad DA has been.Quinn’s numbers look outstands vs DA’s eather way it is time to see what we got.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 10, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
as a member of the grammar police, that comment scared me a little.
i also don’t understand why people continuously blame the coaching staff for quinn constantly checking down. he has the option to throw intermediate and deep routes, he just chooses not to.
by notthatnoise on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I never said that I didn’t want Quinn to start the rest of the season — of course I do. He should be given the rest of the season to see if he has any value left, and we already know that DA is not the answer.
I wasn’t arguing that Quinn shouldn’t be starting now. I was arguing against the thought that the Browns are throwing away a season to save money, which is what you said. Lerner wants to win as much as anyone, and if Quinn was playing well then there is no way they would have benched him. But when he looked as terrible as he did in the first three games, then it was smart to give someone else a chance and avoid paying him a big bonus. And I don’t think that will deter other players from coming here, as brownsfan4ever said, because Qunn was benched for performance reasons, not money reasons. Other players can see that. Lerner has shown that he’s willing to spend the money to make this team better.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure any of this is as self-evident as you claim. I still don’t understand the confidence in saying that Quinn is a complete wash after he was given such a short leash. And I don’t understand how money is automatically ruled a non-factor or that the perception will not persist around the league.
by Western Reserve on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
And that’s fine. But on such a short leash? That’s what taints the whole perception.
by Western Reserve on Nov 10, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying he’s completely done; he may turn his career around if given another opportunity (probably with another team). But he looked so horrible in the first three games that I think Mangini had to make the move. And I assumed, along with many others here, that Quinn must have also looked bad in practice and on film so Mangini didn’t have much faith in him to begin with. That would explain him taking so long to make a decision in the preseason, and him pulling him after three games. I don’t know if that’s true, of course, because we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, but I think that if Mangini had faith that Quinn could be a good NFL QB then he would have given him more time.
So I wasn’t upset about benching Quinn for the fourth game, and I’m not upset about keeping him there so we’re not on the hook for so much guarenteed money with him, but I think we should give him another chance over the second half of the season. DA has shown that he’s not the answer. If Quinn doesn’t play again then I don’t know what Mangini is doing.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
See, that assumes that there was an intention to never play him after the first 2.5 games. It was, and still is, my opinion that the intention was always to give Quinn another go at the offense. But to wait for a few things:
1.) The season to be lost- there was some slight chance DA could catch lightening in a bottle again and win a couple games.
2.) DA to play himself out of the picture or give him one last chance to up his trade value.
3.) Quinn to continue to learn the new system on the sidelines and grow without taking a pounding, i.e. to develop Quinn.
4.) Quinn to miss his salary escalators- which was for the good of the team for salary cap reasons
Now that these things have happened, Quinn will start and be evaluated, starting with either the Ravens or Lions game.
by Ryan Kelsey on Nov 10, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well I think it had more to do with we are going to be bad this year so why should we keep a QB in that has a chance of making 11 mil.It shows not wanting to let young players grow if they have a chance of making money.No Quinn was not great but he was not that bad.Not worth 11 mil I will give you that but is DA worth the 5 mil we are paying him?
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 10, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not only that, but one QB should be getting the practice reps. All of them. Splitting them helps no one.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 9, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d just slapped this up as fanshot but deleted it when I saw this.
I’m not even of a mind to joke about it, another pointless exercise in Magini secrecy regarding Monday night’s starting quarterback. At least he didn’t describe this as creating a “competitive advantage” here. While this piece is fairly neutral, I’m sure various media sources will have a field day with it. Sigh.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 9, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions
Is it unforgivable that I’d be OK with that?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 9, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Great! Give me your address and I’ll send you a quarter. Cheap absolution at the price.
I’d give you a $1, but only if it were signed.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chiefs cut RB Johnson after suspension
I’m not one to tell all " I told you so" so instead let us see if things can be better down the road. I know Johnson is a pain for any team, however, he would be fired up to play with another team right now, give BQ a safety net, with him running the ball. I just never seen anything Mangini did as good all season so I do thing they got rid of the wrong man since he ran the show totally already. The guys he brought in are worse then the ones we had, so no gain there either.
It was wrong to have a QB Competition since neither QB got the reps in preseason needed for the young recievers to get familiar with ONE QB. Only hope to win one or two games now is with a strong running game. But then Mangini has no logic, who knows what is in his Head.
wbaron
Wow, didn’t realize he was that old, he must have been old for his graduating class in college. In any case, if he clears waivers, he is not bound by his contract.
This. And Cedric Benson can still hit the holes with authority.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
Right. Not only is Larry Johnson a pain in the rear end, he’s also finished as a dominating runner. He’s not worth the risk. Too many miles on those tires.
We don’t need another back that was run to death early in his playing days.Lewis is the same way 400 + carries in a season most backs are never the same after that.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I posted a fanshot if you’re concerned.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 9, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
In addition to his declining production, Johnson has been a first-class nutcase, and it appears to be getting worse. He’s actively sought to undermine his coach, and is apparently a very poor teammate. I think he’s done. Joe Posnanski wrote a very good column about him: Read it and see if you think you would still want Johnson on your team. http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/26/larry/
No…that is a “Run-A-Way” Train, don’t you know anything about Gap Integrity?
by Red-Right-88 on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Who’s willing to go on the record? I say it will still be Anderson, and Mangini will repeat the tired mantra “he gives us the best chance to win at this point.” He might even point out that Anderson once had a drive which had some possibilities, although in the end it fizzled out. What he won’t say, but should, is “I think Quinn is worse than the guy putting up some of the worst quarterbacking in the entire history of the NFL. A cadaver could easily do as well (and make fewer mistakes), but I rate Quinn even behind the cadaver. Also, I don’t like his hair and he has too many muscles. I mean, have you ever seen that guy without a shirt? As my friend mooncamping pointed out, that isn’t a quarterback body.”
I said the samething after DA was pulled for the last 3 snaps last week.He will not play Quinn and will stick with DA smells of some other agenda like finishing with the best draft spot to trade down and stock more picks is what it looks to me.Yes I know No one wants to lose games but man try to tell me different if DA plays this weekend as QB.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 9, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this.We still don’t have a clue oon how good or bad Quinn is yet.We do have a clue on how bad DA is.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe you are saying you think Quinn is the starter and if so then disregard my drunken answer :)
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 9, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
And the PD said if he is he will come in around 68% of the plays taken….so Lerner’s cash which we are all concerned about will be safe.
by Red-Right-88 on Nov 10, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
But that’s just an estimate. The number could change if the offense has more success in the last half of the season and therefore runs more plays.
And we’re not concerned about Lerner’s cash, we’re concerned about cap space and roster flexibility.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Is there no salary cap next year? Where did I hear that?
by Red-Right-88 on Nov 10, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Unless there is a new agreement before the end of this year, the default for next year is an uncapped year. There is all sorts of speculation on what this would lead to and certainly a lockout or even a strike are not out of the question. But an uncapped year is the default and a strong likelihood for next season.
Still, the negotiations are just getting serious, so we really know nothing right now.
please stop saying we’re trying to save lerner money, that is a completely misinformed opinion. lerner has always been willing to put up cash for this franchise, this move would be to saye about $11 million in cap space, which is very important to running a football team.
by notthatnoise on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Ratliff.
Mangini probably thinks that he is going down, he might as well go down playing his guys.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 9, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll start DA. I wish that weren’t what I thought, though.
If he’s so sure BQ is beyond hope, Mangini should start him anyway and have confidence that his ineptitude will reveal itself plainly. Then he can pull BQ in a few games for Ratliff, a move it should be easy to justify as player evaluation in the dying portion of a lost season.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I’d say Quinn. This has played out almost exactly as I thought. (wow that sounds douchey, sorry).
If its not Quinn this week, it will be Quinn next week. DA is awful. He was going to lose the job at some point, regardless of who the backup was. And its also about Quinn’s development. The only thing that keeps him out is if they want to protect him from the Ravens’ defense. Thing is, the Ravens defense is extremely average right now.
You know, that’s what I’ve been thinking about the Ravens defense. Sure, they’re not Detroit, but they’re not some terrifying juggernaut that’s destined to chew BQ up and spit him out. Seem to me that the primary opponent-based reason to keep BQ out of the next game is if you really think he needs to start against a cream puff.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
btw, if i was either quinn or anderson i’d be getting so irritated. not telling the media is stupid enough, but not even telling your two players who’s starting? it’s just moronic. they’ll find out wednesday and have a few practices to take all the snaps in preparation for a tough BAL defense. right now they’re probably splitting reps. it’s not good for the offense as a whole.
baltimore’s coaching staff is probably laughing at mangini now.
I don’t feel bad for them. I mean really, DA is/was the starter, but he has put up historically bad numbers. Quinn can’t beat DA out in practice and has shown absolutely no flashes of anything in the games he has got in. Two freaking terrible QBs don’t deserve anything better than what they are getting.
Bottom line, Mangini has butchered this QB situation from day one. So what is another two weeks of BS.
Think about it, Browns draft a QB next year with Mangini still at the helm, what the hell do you think that QB is thinking?
This is why Mangini needs to be shown the door.
I was taking the side of Mangini needs more then 8 games before we call for his head.But this game with the QB’s is really getting old.It has been bad as it is with the whole “Andersons gives us the best chance to move/score/win” I just wish the games would be over with now.It is time for him to be told to stop screwing with the whole cloak and dagger crap and get it going int he right direction.
It will be bad to fire him with 3 yrs and all that cash we would have to give him for being this bad.
by Brownsfan4ever on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
That is the problem: money owed to Mangini. I never thought he would wear me out after 8 games, but he has. I heard numerous interviews, players speak on WFAN in New York when he was in New York and I thought, “well maybe Cleveland he will get a fresh start and mature”.Well I think I was wrong. To his credit he has had several players come out and support him, especially the ones who have come to Cleveland. But this act has grown old at week 8.
Hell if Lerner hires a strong personality to run this team, Mangini will most likely be shown the exit.
I know not everyone’s an Indian’s fan here, but Quinn=Marte. We need to play him (both of them) consistently to know what he can do before we make any decisions. The high pedigree, inconsistent playing time, getting stuck behind a “grittier” player, all are so comparable. Personally, I think both will be excellent players, either for us or for someone else.
Just something I recently realized. Sorry if this is already obvious to everyone else.
by Nat on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’ve been drawing the Quinn/Marte comparison in my mind since week 4. I’d be real curious to see how a Holmgren/Gruden combo would treat Quinn.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Nov 10, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eric Mangini is the head coach, and it has been clear since preseason that he does not favor Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn. As a new coach, that´s a quality assessment, meaning he would rather have neither. It´s a personal quality assessment however, meaning he will not deem them incapable of leading an NFL team. Good taste requires him to not dismiss their ability, so as not to affect their trade value or affect the estimation of their talent, towards success with prospective future employers.
The GM says both have failed the Browns. It is time to give Bret Ratliff a shot, even if the estimation of his talent level is more as a capable backup quarterback. We will also say, that Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn will be backups to whoever we decide will be the next quarterback, if they do not receive interest from another franchise.
Insisting on either Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn as quarterback, going forward at this point, represents a challenge to the Browns staff as professional evaluators of athletic personnel.
Brady Quinn should not be make or break for Eric Mangini. He does not have that kind of stature. The personnel decision of who will play quarterback going forward, will not define Eric Mangini´s tenure as head coach of the Cleveland Browns.
Eric Mangini has our trust, until better players arrive.
by mooncamping on Nov 10, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
You know, as much as I’ve loathed the way Magini has handled the QB morass, I’m going to agree with and rec this. Faith?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 10, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Offensisive line is merely Offensive
You people that keep blaming any quarteback for the futility of this team and the ignorance of this coach are just plain goofy. This line could’nt protect superman. They pass block like girsl.
I don´t think the offensive line is to blame, although I will reiterate that I think Alex Mack and Hank Fraley are a fearsome duo as guards.
Joe Thomas is great, as most people will second.
I would much prefer to see the versatile Eric Steinbach give it a go at center.
That leaves the right offensive tackle, which we were more than good at with Ryan Tucker, but his unfortunate injury has left us with the serviceable Floyd Womack and John St. Clair, until we find a scrappy alternative.
I would say we are fine, with the right alignment.
You hate to blame anyone in particular.
But I will say that on a team that uses the run to make the pass viable, we´re not looking to sparky or potent there, and receivers who face the predicament of facing a defense that knows it´s pass first, will have a hard time beating coverage.
I like Robert Royal. Mike Furrey is a steady eddie reliable veteran. And Mohammed Massaquoi has shown potential.
by mooncamping on Nov 10, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
According to Sources
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
on a side note, who is this Adam Schefter, where did he come from? is he Mort’s sucessor, or John Clayton’s ?
by Red-Right-88 on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
assuming you’re not being facetious, he came from the NFL network and aside from Jay Glazer at FoxSports, is the most reliable when it comes to sources and breaking news. ESPN nabbed him because they were probably sick of Clayton and Mort getting outscooped or flat-out duped with wrong info.
You are reading my signature.
Ok thanks, honestly I had not heard of him before this year, my head is in the sand that is ESPN i guess. :)
by Red-Right-88 on Nov 10, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
BROWNS
BROWNS NEED TO GET RID OF MANG. CLEEN HOUSE,NEED SOMEONE LIKE JOHN GRUIDEN OR COWLER
BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS
And here I thought some of the regular members were just making up some of the joking comments. As it turns out they’re mocking people like you.
Did you really spell clean with two E’s? Wow.
He’s a Yankees fan. What do you expect?
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 10, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
cowler is definitely the man to turn this organization around. cowler in 2010. you know what i always say: “no one could coach this team like cowler could.”
ESPN’s reporting that quinn’s going to start on monday. i really hope he does well. i’d love to be able to say at the end of the season that he could be our starter next year and that drafting a qb in the 1st or 2nd round isn’t necessary.
too optimistic? haha.
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