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Cleveland Browns All-Decade Team: Vote on the Quarterbacks

One of the popular themes going around as the year 2010 approaches is the creation of "all-decade lists." Rather than just creating a list myself, I'm going to allow the Dawgs By Nature community decide who should be on the Browns all-decade team. When all of the positions are voted for, I will post the compiled list along with my own comments of who I would've selected.

Today, we start with the quarterback position, which I've narrowed down to five candidates. For all positions, the candidates will be listed roughly in chronological order. Also, I've made it that in order to be considered, the player must have accrued at least 16 games (a full season's) worth of playing time. That's why someone like Brady Quinn is not on this list as a candidate, but if you are vehemently opposed to such a thing, explain why in the comments section.

Quarterbacks

1. TIM COUCH (2000-2004)

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After being taken with the first pick of the 1999 draft, Couch was the Browns' starting quarterback for a good portion of the first half of the decade. Overall, he received more playing time than any other Browns quarterback of the decade. His statistics were average for a first-round pick -- he threw for 49 touchdowns and 54 interceptions.

The thing I loved about Couch was his ability to lead a comeback. Case in point -- during the Browns only playoff season since returning to the league, the team was down 17-14 to Jacksonville in Week 14 of the 2002 season. With only 1:25 left to play, Couch was intercepted and the Jaguars tacked on another field goal. Couch got a chance at a Hail Mary and delivered it to Quincy Morgan as time expired. Two games later, Couch, on the road against the Ravens, engineered a 92-yard drive and threw a 1-yard touchdown pass to Mark Campbell with 29 seconds remaining. The Browns won 14-13. Earlier in that season, Couch had tremendous comebacks against the Titans and the Jets as well.

Couch accomplished what he did with a decent ensemble cast, but no real stars or an offensive line surrounding him. The negative moment in his career came when fans were getting more excited to see Kelly Holcomb at quarterback instead. After getting injured against the Ravens on October 6, 2002, it appeared as though some fans were cheering that he was injured. After the game, Couch was emotionally upset and lashed out at the reaction of the fans.

2. KELLY HOLCOMB (2001-2004)

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Here's the man who inadvertently led to (partially) the downfall of Couch's reign in Cleveland. Holcomb was known for his ability to step into a situation and light it up. When I say "light it up," I really mean it -- he didn't just put up ordinary numbers. Take a look at two of his most memorable games.

First, during the 2002 campaign, he started the opener against the Chiefs (the Dwayne Rudd game). In that game, Holcomb threw for 326 yards and 3 touchdowns in a 40-39 loss. He fought hard in the playoff game against the Steelers too, another spot start, when he threw for 429 yards, 3 touchdowns, and 1 interception.

When given the opportunity to start over Couch the following season though, Holcomb fell flat. He had zero spark in his first two games, and suffered an injury after the third game (a contest in which he came from behind to win). Besides one blowout game against the Arizona Cardinals, Holcomb never really proved he was anything more than a veteran backup quarterback.

Holcomb did have one more "spot start" type of success -- the 58-48 shootout loss to the Cincinnati Bengals in 2004, a game in which he threw for 413 yards, 5 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.

3. CHARLIE FRYE (2005-2007)

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Expectations were probably set a little too high for the third-round quarterback, and it showed on the field with Frye's poor touchdown (14) to interception (23) ratio. The thing that separates Frye from the other quarterbacks we've had was his mobility. In 21 games, Frye rushed for 276 yards and four touchdowns. Those aren't Michael Vick numbers, but they were certainly Frye's best asset.

Frye should've used that asset more often to assist him in the passing game. I still have to believe the coaching staff instructed Frye to be a pocket passer, because as effective as Frye was when rolling out, he hardly did it towards the end of his career with the Browns. Maybe the coaches just didn't want him to roll out to the sideline and then throw the ball back toward the middle of the field idiotically.

For those who aren't aware, Frye will be starting for the Oakland Raiders this week.

4. DEREK ANDERSON (2006-2009)

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That's right -- we're already at our final quarterback, Derek Anderson. There clearly aren't any Peyton Manning's to choose from on this list.

It's really kind of tough to decide how Anderson should be ranked in terms of making the all-decade team. One one hand, he by far had the best single season of any Browns quarterback in the decade back in 2007, when he threw for 3,787 yards, 29 touchdowns, and 19 interceptions en route to a Pro Bowl.

Even during that good season though, the bad decisions were still always evident. His completion percentage is below 60 percent, and he doesn't have any touch on his throws. When expectations were high in 2008, Anderson laid an egg besides the memorable Monday Nighter against the defending Super Bowl Champion New York Giants. This season, it's unfathomable to believe Anderson was ever given the distinguished notation of a Pro Bowler, since his completion percentage in 6 games is a mere 42.9% to go along with 2 touchdowns and 9 interceptions.

Was Anderson's one "wowing" season good enough to overcome the other ones?

COMPARABLE STATISTICS

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Quarterback
Games Comp % Yards TD INT
Tim Couch 47 60.98% 8,684 49 54
Kelly Holcomb* 24 63.45% 3,867 29 22
Charlie Frye 21 62.54% 3,490 14 23
Derek Anderson 37 52.91% 6,876 45 44

*Includes playoff game against the Steelers.

OTHER QUARTERBACKS

These quarterbacks played for the Browns during the decade but are not up for consideration in the poll due to their lack of tenure with the team. If you'd still like to comment on them, or if you believe one of them should be the all-decade quarterback instead, sound off in the comments section. (Note: I am not listing quarterbacks with less than three games played).

DECISION TIME

Now it's time to cast your vote in the poll below, and then go ahead and explain your choice in the comments section. The next position we'll do is running back, but save the discussion on that position for a later date.

Please be aware that the considerations do not include the 1999 comeback season.

Poll
Who do you think is the Browns' All-Decade Quarterback?
Tim Couch
484 votes
Kelly Holcomb
273 votes
Charlie Frye
31 votes
Derek Anderson
476 votes

1264 votes | Poll has closed

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Wow, do I have to vote on this one? I went with Holcomb because he played well enough to actually win us a playoff game. No other reason

by Roger Dorn on Dec 19, 2009 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, it was kind of depressing writing this article. That does make me more curious though as to how the results of the poll turn out (since there is no clear-cut winner). Timely response too from you — I didn’t expect a comment from someone just three minutes after my posting ;)

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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 19, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

If Bernie19Kosar’s flashback posts are a reflection on the “good times,” then a lot of these all-decade posts will be of the opposite type. But, I only have the opportunity to do an all-decade thingy once every ten years.

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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 19, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m out of town right now, and I guess just happened to log on for the day right when you posted.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 19, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

except we lost that game…

by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Not because of Holcomb

by Roger Dorn on Dec 19, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

while its true its not his fault they lost, i have a problem with that phrase in general. if he had played well enough to win, they would have won. conversely, derek anderson played well enough to win when he went 2-17.

Kelly holcomb had a few great relief appearances and an amazing playoff start, but in my mind one good start doesn’t outweigh the fact that couch led those comebacks to get the browns into the playoffs in the first place.

by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not really arguing that Holcomb was better than Couch, just that I didn’t like any of the options and that one singular Holcomb moment was why I voted for him.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 19, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, i’m totally ok with that, as that was probably the high point of this franchise since ’99 (sadly)

by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

if he had played well enough to win, they would have won

That makes absolutely no sense. Football is a team game — a quarterback can play great and his team can still lose, just like a quarterback can play terrible and his team can still win. I thought we were past the point of judging a QB’s performancy by whether or not his team won the game.

by Buckeye Brad on Dec 19, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I was tempted to go with Frye, now that he’s better than Jamarcus Russell, but went with Couch instead.

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by golanbatrac on Dec 19, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

Me too, being an Akron Grad i really wanted to see Frye succeed but what can you say.

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by Red-Right-88 on Dec 19, 2009 5:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I really liked the choice of pics to accompany each option. Especially Andersons’.

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by golanbatrac on Dec 19, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

Man,our QBs have really been bad. I almost found myself voting for Couch and then remembered that at the time I liked Holcomb better, but it always seemed obvious that he was going to turn out to be fools gold (the original DA?). The other choices?

So let’s see. . . the winner is. Well I don’t know who wins but I know the loser has to be the Cleveland Browns.

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by Villeslgr on Dec 19, 2009 1:43 AM EST reply actions  

I’d like to change my vote to Terry Kirby. Only 1-2 for 2 yards with the Browns, but finished his career 4-6 for 85 yards and 3 touchdowns and a 149.3 career passer rating.

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by golanbatrac on Dec 19, 2009 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

Nice feature Pokorny. Your preseason positional watch was also neat.
Why don´t you concentrate on that kind of stuff?

by mooncamping on Dec 19, 2009 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

I´ll go with a tie between Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb, the descriptor being valiant.

by mooncamping on Dec 19, 2009 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

I voted for Tim Couch. I think he actually played pretty well considering the terrible team around him and taking that 2002 team to the playoffs is pretty miraculous. I also think it says something good that he was able to stick around as the starter for so long.

by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

I voted for Tim Couch as well. Mostly because of the lack of options. This was kind of depressing.

by drunkrooster on Dec 19, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Tim Couch – he had okay numbers with below average to poor players surrounding him. i feel like he might have been really good had he come into an even somewhat established team. not to mention, i remember some good feelings with him because he had a couple of wins against the steelers. that’s more than any of the others.

by Dawg Nuts on Dec 19, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Can we take the controversial position that the decade goes from 2001 to 2010 and try this again next year?

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 19, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Please tell me that this position will be the most depressing of these votes

by APV on Dec 19, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Defensive back is going to be pretty rough too.

by gahnki on Dec 19, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Running Back will be brutal.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 19, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

But LT and DT will be easy.

by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 19, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We actually had a pretty good secondary when it was McCutcheon and Henry.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 21, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they were pretty good by expansion Browns standards.

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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I went with Couch, because he actually led the Browns to the playoffs, if not for his broken leg, who knows what coulda been. He also did this with no real talent around him. I really think he could have been special if he would have had a good supporting cast. I always liked him and thought he got a bad deal.

by cboldt12 on Dec 19, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

I went with Holcomb for the same reason Dorn did. Semi-fond memories.

by gahnki on Dec 19, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Couch by a landslide. He was a solid NFL starter for 40+ games during the 00’s. Nobody else lasted long enough to be considered. Holcomb and Anderson might have had higher peaks, but they were way too short.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 19, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

this was my opinion as well. holcomb’s peak wasn’t even as long as anderson’s, at least couch was a serviceable starter for 4 seasons.

by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch. I’m taking some Pepto-Bismol and abstaining. There’s always next decade.

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by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 19, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

I cannot in good conscience vote for any of these guys.

Abstain.

by johnnyphoenix on Dec 19, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

At first I thought this was voting for the decade’s worst QB. Ouch.

by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 19, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

Where is Bruce Gradikowski

by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 19, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

He didn’t play 16 games for the Browns.

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by golanbatrac on Dec 20, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

And, if he means “why wasn’t he listed in the other quarterbacks section,” then this is why:

(Note: I am not listing quarterbacks with less than three games played).

Gradkowski played in two games with the Browns.

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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 20, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you change that? I was sure it was 16 when I read the post…?

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by golanbatrac on Dec 20, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s 16 for the four quarterbacks in the poll (Couch et al), but it’s 3 for the other quarterbacks (Dorsey et al).

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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 20, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted to vote for Cribbs.

But I went with Couch. Kid played well considering the situation he was dropped into.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 19, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

I voted for Holcomb. Honestly, I wasn’t into football much when either of them played. I just voted based on the info given.

I wish we could just find out franchise QB, and I’m hoping it’s the one who’s starting the games now.

In the newest mock drafts, many are saying Suh—> TB, Clausen—> STL, Berry—> CLE. I still think Berry is a great choice. We need someone like that. (Yeah, that was random but I didn’t know where else to post it.)

by emily522 on Dec 19, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

This is the most pathetic poll I have ever voted in.

by Just1BannerPlz on Dec 20, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

I voted for Couch, though Holcomb seemed to have better stats in the areas listed I never really liked him, and Couch would have been really good with at least a decent line, let alone receivers and running backs.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Dec 20, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

I wanted to declare my vote has a “joke answer.” I hope I didn’t skew your results too much. ;)

by Simmsinns on Dec 21, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

You forgot Spergon Wynn .

by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

lol Spergon fucking WYNN.

(shakes head and sighs…followed by facepalm)

by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

1999, right?

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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 21, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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