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Two Birds, One Stone: The Case of Brodney Pool



Four concussions in five years.

Brodney Pool has definitely been a marked man with his aggressive hits and over the middle coverage. In the last two years, Pool has made huge steps in becoming one of the better safeties in the league, despite an atrocious secondary in Cleveland. Much of those poor stats however are padded by the big plays given up routinely by cornerback Brandon McDonald.

It all leads up to the big question, what to do about a man taking so many head injuries? It's not safe to have him play, it's entirely possible he could suffer long term damage if he takes another big hit.

Mangini has suggested looking into a special helmet with more protection. Great thought, too little, too late. That should have been a priority after the head injury in the preseason game.
Pool is just another in the long line of players injured this year, often times they've been unnecessary and reckless, like in the case of James Davis, and now Brodney Pool.

We can complain about players dropping balls, but in all fairness, it's coaching that has dropped the ball the most this year. Your players that lay themselves on the line for you week after week need protected, above all else.

So what is there to do? Pool's tough, there's no question that he'll be back in uniform next season if there's any possible way the doctor's allow it.

The special helmet is a great start, Pool needs more protection around his head, but playing safety he's always going to go full bore and continue to put himself in danger.

The only reasonable answer is to kill two birds with one stone.

Brandon McDonald needs to sit down. Bench McDonald and convert Pool into a cornerback, his coverage skills far surpass all his other traits as it is. Having Pool opposite of Wright opens up the safety position for Mike Adams to get some reps, and locks down the other corner position.

This takes care of the injury concerns by moving him into a coverage role, instead of forcing him to jeopardize his health by flying around in the middle like a madman. Adams is a suitable replacement, hard hitting, and a hard worker, he'll fill in fine for the rest of the year.

Next draft, take Eric Berry of Tennessee in the first round, and Darrell Stuckey of Kansas in the third round. This takes care of the safety positions.

Simple solutions, better coaching, and a healthy team, this isn't rocket science Mr. Mangini.

Run a lap, you've earned it.

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Not sure but I though when we drafted Pool it was said he might be converted over to CB.Might not be a bad idea to give him a try at nickle back next year and see how it goes.But I think his days in the middle is over.

by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 2, 2009 7:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Placed on IR. He has the offseason now to contemplate retirement.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 2, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep and I wish him the best of luck in what ever he wants to do.

by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 2, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How was Pool getting hurt the coaches fault?

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle

http://www.cardchronicle.com/

by Villeslgr on Dec 2, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Anything bad obviously is the doing of Mangini.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 2, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I sprained my knee last week, Mangini needs to provide better braces.

by holmes213 on Dec 4, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Explained

I say Mangini’s fault because during the preseason he received a head injury again that went unchecked for a concussion. They still don’t know if this is his 4th or 5th concussion based on that preseason game.

Regardless after the head injury suffered, as well as the previous three, there should have been talk about Pool converting to a cornerback and Adams taking over his original position of safety to reduce his risk of head trauma.

Also, special circumstances could have been made where the Riddell helmet sponsorship could have been negated and Pool could have used the Schutt Ion 4D helmet that reduces 55% more impact that the Riddell Revolution (the best helmet Riddell makes).

by SamIngro814 on Dec 3, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aren’t players allowed to wear what ever brand helmet they want?

I honestly do not know.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 3, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I'm aware of

As far as I know, you have to wear the sponsors clothing and gear, which in the NFL is Riddell I believe.

by SamIngro814 on Dec 3, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Players can choose their helmets. Most choose Ridell or Schutt.

by golanbatrac on Dec 3, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The two best helmets are the Schutt Ion and the Riddell Revo Speed.

It’s basically a personal preference after that. The Speed is more contoured for health and speed, where as the Ion is built like a tank but, to a point, is cumbersome for a new type of helmet; Much like it’s predessesor the Schutt DNA.

Author of the segment "A Brownie For Your Thoughts," on DBN. Check it out.

by SpecialBrownie on Dec 3, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

On the cumbersome part, but the fact that it’s built like a tank and clinically shown to be 55% safer, for a player in Pool’s position I think it’s a good tradeoff.

by SamIngro814 on Dec 3, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean it absorbs 55% of the impact, back into the head, thus making full impact less attractive. There is no way to reduce impact, only the player can do that.
It´s no fun to be on the losing side of a hit. Usually the losing side is the one who doesn´t reciprocate or exceed the force exerted against the other impactor, in simple physics it means that if the force is equal on both sides, the give and take is equal, the damage is negated to a certain degree on both sides. The only maximator in that case is how much harder each side is willing to hit, meaning damge ensues the more each side is willing to up the ante in regards to oppositional force. But that´s hard to prove, it´s just something that hard core players have experienced on their own bodies. Our predecessors in the big league knew, that in a sport that features athletes facing each other, you can´t unscrew your head, in a head on collision. It sounds crazy, but if they could they would tell you, all you can do is hit responsibly, strangely enough that means you have to reciprocate the force of your adversary to a certain degree. If you don´t, he has positive impact and you have negative impact. It´s just a reality of understanding physics in inevitable contact.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In other words I contend, that any new standard that claims to reduce impact, as compared to the standard achieved and maintained through the 80´s and 90´s, is in fact attempting to force players to reduce their speed at impact by heightening the absorbtion towards the core of the head in the helmet. Through greater absorbtion of force, you are conducting the force in a detrimental manner.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In other words, what they are doing is akin to making the driver of a car sit on the hood with no protection, and then claiming you have invented a safer car.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your also appreciating these sports heros butting heads in the 70´s, 80´s and 90´s and then depreciating their health prognosises for when they have to compare to “normal” people in old age. Oh, wait, you´re to young to have worshipped these guys. Here, have a free pass to speculate whether these hall of famers are brain dead in, lets see, is it in a decade or two decades…

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what, I´m going to go out on a limb here, and claim that if the helmet maker´s calculations are correct, in that the helmet (the helmet!!!) absorbs exactly 55% percent of impact, and that if said helmet fits snuggly, then given a helmet to helmet hit, that is a hit on another surface that is expected to give in a comparable manner (not the ground or a wall!!!), then the added damage incurred on the brain transfers at exactly the same rate of 55% percent.
Remember, it says the helmet absorbs 55%, not the head or neck or even the brain.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What´s interesting here is that the maker of said helmet has offered a calculable measurement in comparison to the other helmet. It indicates that they may have also calculated the amount of damage on the brain incurred in the older helmets. By offering a comparable value they are willing participants in a clinical study to determine injury on the brain with their product. It means the NFL players are acting as guinea pigs this year, and it only seems harmless because they are projecting long term effect, that is results that aren´t verifiable at this point.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the part about Mangini taking a lap.

From what I understand about concussions (I am no expert by a mile) something about the more concussions you have had, the more likely you are to get them in the future?

I wish Pool the best, but I doubt football is the best idea for his future.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 3, 2009 2:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Concussions do leave you more vulnerable to future ones

“There is now sufficient literature supporting the notion that once you experience a concussion, you are more likely to sustain future concussions; and a strong likelihood exists that the symptoms following these repeat concussions may be more serious and resolve at a slower rate.”

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2491919/

But that said, you’ve got to remember how tough Pool is and his passion for the game, and then think about players like Ronnie Lott who cut off his own finger to keep playing. I really think a less dangerous job like CB would do him greatly.

by SamIngro814 on Dec 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think that is the only time that Brodney Pool and Ronnie Lott has been in the same sentence.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 3, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If what they say is true, then we have to destroy all evidence of football ever being played in the 70´s, 80´s and 90´s. Because if these prognostications, and they are prognostications not diagnosises, anyone who played seriously is consigned to alzheimer like symptoms by the time they are 45. Are there any that got away? You better make sure.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whoops: …and they are prognostications not diagnosises are true

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THere are dozens of stories and hundreds if not thousands of instances of former NFL players with serious brain-related struggles caused by pro or college football. Here is one of the most publicized:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/29/merrill-hoge-concussion-caused-him-to-flatline-in-trainers-ro/

And here is a more encompassing article:

http://www.birf.info/prevent/prev-articles/prev-nfl-cc.html

I haven’t really understood what you are trying to say in this thread, but if it is at all to diminish the seriousness of this issue, I think you are way off base.

fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com

by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 4, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

I’m not diminishing the seriousness at all, the point of the article was simply if Pool decides to come back, to move to a less aggressive place like Cornerback, given his coverage skills.

by SamIngro814 on Dec 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was replying to mooncamping

by skipkirk on Dec 4, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this was in response to moon

fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com

by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 5, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I´m going to give you as long as you take to realize the fallacy of your assertion here.

by mooncamping on Dec 5, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your nonsense, again, is grating.

fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com

by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 6, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think moon may have multiple personalities. one day he’s civil and sensible; the next day he’s bat-shit crazy. i don’t know how else to explain it.

by Dawg Nuts on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This made me laugh.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Moon is large — he contains multitudes.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 6, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good one moon. glad you’ve stuck around.

by Dawg Nuts on Dec 6, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some people remember Mark Kelso, a safety for the Buffalo Bills in the 90´s, and his outlandish “double helmet”, that made him look like a dweeb, but supposedly was superior protection to the standard helmet. It made his head look twice as big, and made it supposedly twice as safe. It never caught on. Maybe you can suspicion that a larger and thus heavier helmet can also cause more damage. Whatever it was that kept it from catching on, there are similar trends today.
Here is an informative article from prior to this season, if you like:

All in all, I think people should realize that people weren´t born yesterday, and that there is a long history to this contact sport. We´re not more modern or civilized than our more recent ancestors, so what´s the big deal? These are consenting adults, who can gauge the danger for themselves. If you take the contact out of football, you might as well take the air out of the ball.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 8:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

“These are consenting adults, who can gauge the danger for themselves. If you take the contact out of football, you might as well take the air out of the ball.”

I’m not sure what you’re getting at, I’ve made no mention at all about new rules or anything, all I’ve been saying is in Pool’s case given his head injuries, he needs to move to a less aggressive, safer position like cornerback.

by SamIngro814 on Dec 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good job, with trying to find the nice approach here. The lesser evil so to speak.
Please be careful with your quotes though. A quote is always a selection from context.

by mooncamping on Dec 5, 2009 6:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...

You just downright confuse the ever-loving sh*t out of me, no offense meant. You speak in tongues sir.

by SamIngro814 on Dec 6, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I apologize a little bit Samingro814. I didn´t mean for my comments to be so seething towards you. I´m just sick of the hypocrisy. How can we tell our youngsters to play hard with such a poor understanding of the dynamics at play here.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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