Post-Game Thread: Harrison & Cribbs Set Records in 41-34 Win
by Chris Pokorny on Dec 20, 2009 4:50 PM EST
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PrintLast week, the entire defense deserved a game ball against the Pittsburgh Steelers. This week, I don't think anybody on the defense deserved any props. Matt Cassel, Jamaal Charles, and Chris Chambers had their way with our defense. Cassel threw for 331 yards and 2 touchdowns, with 114 of those yards going to Chambers. On the ground, Charles had 154 yards and a touchdown.
There were two stars on the team today -- one on offense and one on special teams.
On offense, RB Jerome Harrison nearly broke the NFL rushing record with 286 yards and 3 touchdowns. He shattered Jim Brown's record that had been held since 1961, and Harrison's single-game mark is by far the highest in the league this season.
Harrison did have a 71-yard burst to inflate his stats, but most of his carries seemed to go between 5-10 yards, even with the Chiefs consistently stacking nine players in the box. Brady Quinn couldn't capitalize on Harrison's running with good playaction passes, but it did set up a key playaction bootleg in which Quinn took off for 24 yards.
The other man of the hour is Joshua Cribbs, again. Cribbs returned two kicks for touchdowns in the first half -- one for 100 yards and the other for 103 yards. He set the NFL record for most career kick return touchdowns on his first try, and then broke his own record on the second try.
There was a somewhat controversial play at the end of the game. Harrison had the chance to go down at the one-yard line and then set up a field goal. Instead, Harrison took it in to give the Browns a seven-point cushion. I agree with what Harrison did, because more times than not, the opposing team won't be able to drive for a score. They almost did, but Cassel's pathetic-looking final pass attempt was batted away to seal the victory.
A 1-11 start, and now two wins in a row. We might be hurting our draft position, but with Mangini's job on the line, I'm sure that's the last thing on his mind.
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An ugly game except for those two world class performances, but a win is a win. Draft be damned, keep them coming!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions
McCoy is a 2nd round QB at best and they already have Stafford.
You make no sense.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 20, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong McCoy, bud.
Be a little ruder next time.
by Western Reserve on Dec 20, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Deploying the Mooncamping Rebuttal Method there?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ugly game?
41-34 that’s goes to the final second is an ugly game in your book? Maybe, you forgot to send this post after the Bills game and just got around to it?
by cleveland.brown on Dec 20, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
We had 66 yards passing and gave up almost 500 on defense.
A win is great, but that was an ugly game. Cribbs and Harrison had to have record breaking performances or we get routed.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 20, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have to admit that “ugly win” was a term that came to me after that game. I thought the defense played lousy as compared to last week and I thought Quinn looked especially bad. He is convincing me more and more each week that he does not have what it takes. He showed a couple of glimmers of resourcefulness on a couple of plays but the bread-and-butter vertical game was just plain scary. He was throwing up a prayer in all the deep balls and hardly ever giving his receivers a play on the ball.
It is true that a win is a win but you can win ugly and I think that is what the Browns did today. Kudos to the great performances by Cribbs and Harrison. I hope to see more of Harrison in the future. The question has always been durability for him so I hope he can stand the pace.
Brownsyup
Quinn had a bad day passing, but his fourth down run was fantastic. I loved the fake pitch to Cribbs — that was a great call. And then he made some nice moves on his run to avoid tackles. That doesn’t make up for his poor passing day, but it was a big play when the team needed one.
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 21, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Was that really the designed play? It looked busted to me, but, hey, I was happy it worked.
by Western Reserve on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
i definitely think it was designed….especially since that’s basically what Quinn ran so well in high school.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Would you term it pretty just because it was exciting and a ton of points were scored?
I mean, it was a fun game to watch, an exciting one, and a W for us, and all of that’s great. I’m happy. However, our defense looked weak, BQ was borderline awful if just good enough at times to get it done, and we gave up a TD on a punt. Take away great games from Cribbs and Harrison and we’re losing very ugly.
I don’t mean to be a killjoy, really. I’m still pumped that we’re on a winning streak here! But let’s be honest, eh?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
BQ wasborderlineawful.
Fixed.
I agree it was entertaining, but ugly. You see crazy plays and stats like this sometimes with two bad teams going head to head.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Quinn left a lot to be desired. The thing is, I’d be content with 10/17 passing in that game, even if it did only go for a measly 66 yards, with the way we were running the ball. It’s the two picks that are more disconcerting to me. The first one, the throw was simply a travesty. The second one he hung up there and allowed the safety to come over and make a play. The only leash I’d give Quinn on that one is that Massaquoi never goes up to fight for balls in the air, and he turned completely the wrong way on the ball at first.
by Western Reserve on Dec 21, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
With our win and the Rams loss today, I think we’re officially out of the Suh-stakes. Even if we lose out and the Rams win out, we have the tougher SOS.
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I really feel bad for Steven Jackson.
Wasting a really good career.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I really feel bad forSteven Jackson. Josh Cribbs.
Wasting a really good career.
Fixed.
Well, he’s not really wasting it himself per se, but it kills me to see this guy playing his heart out on these consistently bad teams. The end of this season and next will begin to rectify the situation, though…
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
but it kills me to see this guy playing his heart out on these consistently bad teams
It shouldn’t. That’s how professional sports should be. God forbid the best players consistently went to the highest bidder like they do in baseball.
That’s not really what I meant.
Cribbs wants to play here, for this team…I honestly believe that. So essentially it kills me that this organization hasn’t been able to surround him with better players so he can experience the team success he deserves.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 22, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind, win or lose…these past few games have actually been entertaining to watch. IMAGINE THAT.
I mean, winning them is great too, but that is kinda the point…they’re being competitive, albeit against mostly poor teams.
Besides, How many games have we seen that have been kinda like a visit to the dentist? Boring, painful, expensive, you already knew what was going to happen, and essentially no fun at all.
It’s strange to actually look forward to the games again, and, for a few weeks at least…I am.
Harrison is the most confusing player for me. He shows brilliance like today and last year against Buffalo and then disapears. Is it him? Is it lack of carrying the ball? Injuries? Can’t figure it out. But what a hell of game. The longer they delay signing Cribbs the more the cash register rings. What a player, from being undrafte to a pro-bowl player is a tribute to him.
As long as Holmgren comes to Cleveland, Mangini could run the table and that won’t save his job. The control Holmgren will have I just can’t see Mangini hanging onto his job. Fair or not, that could happen.
Yep looks like Mangini is out if Holmgren takes the job and that is a bad thing IMO.Don’t think Holmgren is the football god many around here do.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 20, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’d give Mangini 50 – 50 odds with Holmgren based on all that’s been said so far. Who knows….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
50/50 is about what I’m thinking too for Mangini’s chances with Holmgren. The team is showing some signs of improvement but I think they are still way to inconsistent.
Brownsyup
….I think they are still way to inconsistent.
The exact word I found myself using over and over again when talking with other fans after this game!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think they are still way to inconsistent.
i completely agree…but at least we’ve moved from consistently bad to very inconsistent.…so I’ll take it.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
One of those announcers yesterday said, the head coaching job is not out of the picture for Holmgren.
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Dec 21, 2009 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, well, that was one of the announcers yesterday, and we all know how smart they are
by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Holmgren has said that HC was on the table as well.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Lerner sounds ready to hand Holmgren the keys to the castle, if what Holmgren said Friday is any indication. Holmgren said Lerner would let him define his role, choosing between president of football operations, general manager and coach.
‘’As far as [their] presentation, it would be any and all, I would say,’’ Holmgren said. ’’It’s a pretty wonderful opportunity for anybody. Exactly how the setup will be regarding me, that’s something I’m still thinking about, and it’s my obligation then to let the Browns know [what] I’m thinking.’’
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/79733857.html
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Just saying, but if we win out and go 5 – 11, that’s actually progress from last year.
Didn’t think any of us would have been thinking that a few months ago…
Well got to say shocked about Harrisons big game.A little down about Quinn’s 2nd bad game in a row and love Cribbs being himself!
Go Browns!
Harrison runs for over 250 yards and the two teams double the over / under. That’s why you watch the games!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t look now, but Charlie Frye is beating the Broncos.
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Cincinnati just lost to the Chargers. This day just gets better and better.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions
Drat. Steelers win. Oh well, we still whupped them!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think they have to win out and Denver has to lose one for them to have a shot – but don’t quote me.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
There are SIX teams in the AFC tied at 7-7 fighting to get in to the playoffs (including Pittsburgh). Right now the wild card leaders are the Ravens and Broncos at 8-6, but obviously all the 7-win teams are still alive. So it’s a big mess right now in the AFC.
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 20, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
i hope. if all we have to do to win a game is control charlie frye, i’m feeling pretty good, regardless of today’s outcome.
Yah, as bad as Fat Russell has been, I’d much rather face Frye.
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he wasn’t going to play anyway. the raiders signed trent edwards last week
by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
yeah thanks, i knew it was one of those bad bills QBs. also, espn is reporting that its gonna be frye if he’s healthy
by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is what my dad had to say about Russell before that TD:
“You know things are bad when you’re upset that your 3rd string QB got hurt so that your first round pick has to come in.”
by emily522 on Dec 20, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Oakland is a disaster.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 20, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Still glad that Oakland bought the hype on Russell or we might have drafted him!
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 21, 2009 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
The highlight from the postgame press conferences are up on nfl.com.
Harrison said that this was ‘definitely one of the best teams he’s ever played on in twenty-one years playing football’.
Cribbs gave credit for his retuns to everyone else on the special teams unit.
Mangini told the team at halftime that ‘they didn’t want to get on the plane with a loss’… that they’d "all be sick’ if they did. So I fully expect to read tomorrow in the PD about Mangini threatening to lock the team on the plane and give them all TB or swine flu or something.
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LOL good one about the plane.
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Dec 21, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
Harrison said that this was ‘definitely one of the best teams he’s ever played on in twenty-one years playing football’.
Holy crap. He must have played on some shitty teams, then.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 22, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Would’ve been nice for them to have lost that one, eh? Oh well.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sad, because I actually like the Packers. Not nearly as much as the Browns, obviously. I really like Aaron Rodgers, so in turn I have started to cheer for them.
Would’ve been nice to see stupid Pittsburgh lose their 6th in a row. I still think playoffs are a long shot, though.
They have to win out and get help. They’ve got the Ravens next week – maybe a freak snowstorm will hit and put both teams under the ice until 2013.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 20, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Man. That’s two early Christmas presents in a row!
Regarding Harrison taking the ball in on his last run, I actually felt it was the better move. Perhaps if the Browns were less prone to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory I would agree with him going don on the one yard line then running a couple more plays to bleed time off the clock. Even given how poorly the defense played, I felt better about the odds of them holding the field for 44 seconds than I did about the Browns offense’s chances of sapping time off the clock at the goal line without turning the ball over.
I don’t ever like taking points off the board. Certainly not unless you are in a situation to kneel down and win the game. Get in the endzone.
exactly, take the guaranteed points rather than assuming you’ll make the field goal
by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
BROWNS FANS????
I’m a Bills’ fan, obviously didn’t see your win this week as our games were at the same time. Purely a fantasy football question for my championship game next week- Is Harrison for real as an undisputed lead back for Cleveland? I didn’t even consider starting him this week after Jennings got all the touches against the Steelers last Thursday (I HATE THE STEELERS BY THE WAY)…what’s the scoop?
B.S.
Congratulations on hating the Steelers. That proves that you are a rational, thinking human. As for Harrison, well, it would be hard to deny him most of the touches based on what happened this week, wouldn’t it?
"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay
by woodsmeister on Dec 20, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
You would think so.
But the last time Harrison had a good game his carries went like this over the next 8 games:
8,5,3,5,0,0,2,10
33 carries in the following ten games.
What in the hell was keeping him on the bench?
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but 286 yards? There’s a good game, a great game, and then there’s a game where you gain 286 yards.
"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay
by woodsmeister on Dec 20, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Never underestimate the stupidity of this offensive staff.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 20, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What in the hell was keeping him on the bench?
Probably the same thing that kept him on the bench his first three years in the league.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 20, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
HaHa! Trolled much, Phil?
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Lack of effort in the blocking game and a case of fumblitis. Kudos to Mangini for getting him to dig in and compete.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
When has Harrison had a fumbling problem?
He has had 2 in his career.
As for the blocking issue, was Jamal and his blocking skills helping this offense out more than Harrison? In the two games that Harrison has seen major playing time, he has done great.
This team lacks playmakers big time. To let a tailback sit on the bench because of blocking is foolish. I’m glad that Jamal with his blocking skills and 3.5 YPC was given 143 carries.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 21, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
When has Harrison had a fumbling problem?
He has had 2 in his career.
The majority of Harrison’s fumbles over his career have been on pitches. Those fumbles get charged to the QB (as the last player in possesion of the ball.
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This is BS.
Show me where any coach has ever said this about Harrison. You are just making things up.
Harrison has struggled with pass pro, but he has never had a fumbling problem.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 21, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I was wrong. It wasn’t pitches, it was screens and dump offs which he had problems with (which would be incompletions rather than fumbles). Don’t know why I mixed up the two.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
As for the blocking issue, was Jamal and his blocking skills helping this offense out more than Harrison? In the two games that Harrison has seen major playing time, he has done great.
Two games in four years. Wow. If only the coaches hadn’t been holding him back, he would have broken Emmit Smith’s career rushing record by now, right?
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Really?
This is what this discussion has come to? I thought this was an adult conversation.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 21, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is blocking is what was keeping him on the bench.
I still think you can find ways around making him block. Play a little cat and mouse game if you pass with him in there. Sure, you will get tendencies that other teams can pick up on, but then you just play some Constraint Theory games. Your tendencies just become fakes, and you set the other team up if they don’t play disciplined.
That, and ball security. He used to put the ball on the ground a lot.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
As I said above, Harrison has never had a fumbling problem.
He has had two in his career.
Harrison has had 1 fumble for every 100 carries in his career. (Granted Smallish smaple size)
Lewis has had 1 fumble for every 65 carries in his career.
Not a fumbling problem.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 21, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, a fumbling problem. See above.
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I was wrong. Brain fart. See above.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Cal fan here.... Congratulations on a sweet win
Can anyone give an account of how Alex Mack did? Given the outcome, I’m guessing he and the OL had a very nice day.
Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.
Yeah, Mack and the entire O-Line had a good day. A few problems snapping the ball early in the year, but he’s been everything we could have hoped for since.
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interesting… he used to be really good with snaps at Cal, but a few times, he took a quick step and tripped up the QB. seen that at all? other than that, he was the best C i had ever seen in the Pac-10
Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.
by Thoroughbred on Dec 20, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
No idea now. I did remember I almost got into a rage over that though.
“You TRIPPED UP your QB you ____” !
2 minutes later I was alright.
It was Steinbach in the Chargers game, I think.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
He probably thinks that he could have went for 400 today.
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He would have if this had been 2003.
"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay
by woodsmeister on Dec 20, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
The problems were in the exchange, but our entire offense, and Quinn in particular, looked hurried in those first few games, so it’s hard to fault Mack. He cleaned it up by game three and has been lights out since.
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As posted by a Chief’s fan on their blog…
He is still going
by Ghost of Bill Wirtz on Dec 20, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
That shrub probably came closer to stopping him than the two first rounders on their line.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 20, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Update— 1:07 AM
After deciding to run home, Harrison has hit I-71 and should be back at the practice facility by 4:30 AM to break down game film.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am really glad I talked about Harrison and referred to him as a “poor man’s Darren Sproles” over there this week.
I knew I read that somewhere… I went lookin’ for it last night so I could make a smart ass comment. :)
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Holmgren who?
The Mangenius is back. Lerner please call Holmgren right now and let him know that something’s come up about that whole “Czar” thing. Tell him its not him, its you, but you’ll keep in touch.
by cleveland.brown on Dec 20, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions
The Mangenius is back. Lerner please call Holmgren right now and let him know that something’s come up about that whole "Czar" thing. Tell him its not him, its you, but you’ll keep in touch.
Uh. No thanks.
I’ll still take Holmgren.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 20, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
OK, OK. How about Holmgren for QB coach? Feel better now?
by cleveland.brown on Dec 20, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand why you assume Holmgren coming in means Mangini won’t still be here next year.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 20, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Granted, I would not support Holmgren for coach along with all his other duties…but I’d love to have him come in as originally planned.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 20, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why? What has Holmgren ever done that makes you think he would do a good job as a football operations executive? Also, he was supposedly offered an upper management job by the Seahawks this weekend and he turned it down. I take that to mean he isn’t interested in just an upper managment job. He wants it all: Head Coach, GM and the Parcells position. So, it looks like we’re going to get exactly what you, and I don’t want. I hope I’m wrong on this one. I want to a see a GM hired who will work with Mangenius to build the team into a consistent Steeler-killer. That guy is definitely not Holmgren based upon Holmgren’s track record as a GM.
by cleveland.brown on Dec 20, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I want to a see a GM hired who will work with Mangenius to build the team into a consistent Steeler-killer.
Sigh…
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 20, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
At least he didn’t go with "Mangina"?
True….but I feel the douche baggery is still strong within him…
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
i feel like he wandered over from cleveland.com. he’s smarter than the other posters there, but its hard to break the habit of expressing your opinions like you’re stupid.
by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
….its hard to break the habit of expressing your opinions like you’re stupid.
Nicely spoken!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 21, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
he was supposedly offered an upper management job by the Seahawks this weekend and he turned it down. I take that to mean he isn’t interested in just an upper managment job. He wants it all: Head Coach, GM and the Parcells position.
That’s just your unfounded opinion.
Whoever said the primary reason Holmgren turned down the Seahawks offer was because of the coaching issue? Just because he is not denying anything and keeping all his options close to the vest doesn’t mean that’s his main consideration. I think it is FAR more likely Mangini stays or Holmgren brings in a coach he wants…and not necessarily him.
The Seahawks Blog Field Gulls and Danny O’neill from the Seattle Times reported that Holmgren refused the offer because:
the Cleveland position allows Holmgren to report directly to Browns owner Randy Lerner while he would have had to report to Vulcan Sports CEO Tod Leiweke (who reports to Paul Allen) should he have accepted the Seattle offer*. Exactly how many layers separating Holmgren from Allen is unknown, but it is fairly clear that the Cleveland job provides a good deal more autonomy for the Big Show.
If autonomy is what Mike Holmgren truly wants, the Seattle job was never going to be an option for him. Tod Leiweke and the Vulcan Sports oversight likely aren’t going anywhere so long as Paul Allen is the owner of this franchise. If you’re expecting the organization to restructure the offer to give Holmgren (or any other GM candidate) more freedom, don’t hold your breath.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 20, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
And what has Mangini done that makes you believe he is a great coach?
I don’t know about cleveland.brown…but as far as I’m concerned Mangini’s gonna have to show a hell of alot more than he already has to convince me he’s any sort of a ‘great coach.’
To be honest, right now I think he’s more preoccupied with proving himself competent…much less ‘great.’
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest, right now I think he’s more preoccupied with proving himself competent…much less ‘great.’
As well he should be, at this point.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 21, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I CANNOT believe I missed this game. I might cry.
It’s kind of better knowing my brother in-law has it on TiVo, but missing it live…..
…sigh
Anyway, GO BROWNS!
You’ve got company. Most of Ohio missed the game.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 20, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I see. I was unaware, but feel appalled for them. I’ve been out of the state, internet, cell phone, and television coverage for that past 3 days.
Yes, many of us had to make do with crappy streams, so don’t feel too bad.
Enjoy the TiVoed version!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 21, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
That gamerewind thing from NFL.com has been huge for me as an out-of-stater. Full HD replays of the games.
I hadn’t looked at that until now, but it is kind of nice.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
My season is over as well.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I have to say I’d never watched a streamed game before this year, but I’m really enjoying that as an option. Lagging streams and choppiness aside, it’s still a lot better than relying on arbitrary local television, or radio coverage and highlight reels.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 21, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Me Either
Like everybody else, I figured it’d be kinda lame. I went skiing instead. Damn!
DP
by oddjobdrummer on Dec 21, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Thats true, Jax might be fighting for the playoffs in that last game, let it snow!!
Oakland is not a pushover, but should be winnable. :)
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Dec 21, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
We’re already out of the top three. With a couple more wins, we could drop as low as 10 (though 7 is the lowest we can realistically expect to drop).
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by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
This is just wrong on so many levels.
A guy with an inferior skill set, enabled to almost surpass Adrian Peterson´s hard fought awesome single game rushing record. It puts Jim Brown´s hardscrabble efforts to shame, and seems only seems acceptable because he also surpassed this year´s lowly Jamal Lewis´s record. Another guy´s value artificially fluffered up, so we can´t trade him.
The mythical Ohio boys flashing their true grit in hostile territory. As if!
Joshua Cribb´s returns remind me of that scene in Highlander where no one will fight Christopher Lambert.
Of course I congratulate Jerome Harrison. A little guy running into the fray 34 times, respect!
But all this really does is illustrate my point from pre season, when I said anyone willing to run a fullback and halfback in an I-Formation in the current NFL will look like frigging geniuses!
Before we turn Jerome Harrison into Superman, lets get one thing straight: A fundamentally sound halfback can gain anywhere around 5 yards a pop in the footsteps of a good fullback. It´s a football contradiction that slow woks as well as fast if you have bodies inbetween. Sometimes better than having someone with all world speed, a Ferrari behind a Truck…not a good idea!
But did you have to bestow Jerome Harrison with teaching this lesson?
you know we’ve been running behind a fullback all season right?
by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
you know we’ve been running behind a fullback all season right?
No. I don’t think he does.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Of course I congratulate Jerome Harrison. A little guy running into the fray 34 times, respect!
But all this really does is illustrate my point from pre season, when I said anyone willing to run a fullback and halfback in an I-Formation in the current NFL will look like frigging geniuses!
Yeah…because we (all of a sudden lol) decided to run Harrison behind Vickers he gains almost 300 yards.
We’ve never tried that before. That MUST be the reason.
jesus…
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
adrian peterson broke like 3 huge runs to get that record, the rest of his day was good, but not great. Also, jamal ran for 10 more yards than harrison, so harrison did not surpass jamal lewis’ record.
by notthatnoise on Dec 21, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Not to switch horses here, but what about Reggie Hodge on that muffed punt?!? LOL was that the funniest play of the day… “if i fall on it, i’m gonna get hit, maybe i can still kick it…ahhhh..ouch my leg”
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
Reminded me of the late 70’s bucs play where the kicker tried to pooch it off of a bad snap and it bounced off his head.
Ah well, we won…
….and really it was Sorenstam who wasn’t set after the shift. Hit him on the right thigh.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 21, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Sorenson.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 21, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
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