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GoT NUMBERS? Analyzing the Chargers vs. the Browns


This season is getting even harder to watch.  We now have starting RB Jamal Lewis, our best defensive player- NT Shaun Rogers, and starting FS Brodney Pool on injured reserve to join our 2 starting ILBs, starting TE, our pro bowl caliber punter, and a bunch of other would-be contributors. Seems like doom for our 30th ranked defense (in efficiency by DVOA).  But that's not all.  Our top pass rusher (OLB Kam Wimbley) and another starting member of the front 7 (DE Kenyon Coleman) are nursing knee injuries and hadn't practiced as of last check.  And to top it all off, we are playing an incredibly talented and very efficient offense in the San Diego Chargers.


And I don't think anyone expects Brady Quinn and the offense to be able to keep up with the dozens of points Philip Rivers and co. will be putting up against our ravaged defense.  Let's see what the numbers say.

Star-divide

Once again, the stats I use are from Football Outsiders:

A quick note about the stats I'm going to use in this regular column.  The full explanation can be found here.  Basically, Football Outsiders uses the data from every play and finds the league average (adjusting for yards gained in the redzone, touchdowns scored, and the down and distance- so a 3 yard TD run on 3rd-and-1 from the 3 means a lot more than a 3 yard run on 3rd-and-15 from your own 20.)  Then it rates players and teams based on their relation to this league average.  The result is meaningful rate stats.  They are akin to league adjusted stats in baseball, like OPS+ and ERA+.  DVOA is the most common stat they use and 0.0 is exactly league average.  A 10.0% DVOA for a QB means a QB that is 10.0% better than average. -15.0% DVOA means 15% below average for a QB.  For defensive numbers they are reversed, so negative numbers are better.

Got all that?  No?  Well, then trust me when I say, higher positive numbers are good for offensive players and lower or negative numbers are good for defenses.  0.0% is always average.

 

And my personal caveat using these numbers in football: here.

When the Chargers have the Ball

Philip Rivers is really good.  In fact, he is underrated and probably deserves to be in the Favre/Brees/Manning/Brady conversation as a top QB in the league right now (apologies to Warner and Rodgers).  This year, he is leading the league's top rated passing attack by efficiency (56.7% DVOA).  He has had a QB rating over 100 for 2 straight years. If he keeps that rating over 100 this season, he will join Manning as the only active QB to have 2 straight seasons over 100.  (I was shocked that Brady, Warner, Favre, McNabb have all never done that).  Rivers ranks 4th in QB DVOA (38.7%).  He has two great weapons that he depends on: Antonio Gates (1st in DYAR and 2nd in DVOA amongst TEs) and Vincent Jackson (3rd in DYAR and 2nd in DVOA amongst WRs).  Gates is huge with good hands and runs good routes.  Think Kellen Winslow, but bigger, stronger, and healthier.  Jackson is big and fast (6'5, 230, 4.38 40).  Think Braylon Edwards only much bigger, much faster, and with better hands. The Browns defense is bad against the pass (30th in defensive efficiency), and especially bad against #1 WRs (31st) and TEs (32nd).  So look for HUGE days from Jackson and Gates.

And if those two weren't enough to worry about in the passing game, the Chargers also boast another big (also 6'5) and fast WR in Malcom Floyd, who hasn't been targeted a bunch, but on a per play basis he ranks 6th among all NFL WRs (DVOA of 31.2%).  Their #3 WR is no slouch either.  Only 6'2, Legedu Naanee has a healthy DVOA of 32.6% (though he doesn't have enough targets to qualify) Finally, for the last several years the Chargers passing game has used their RBs as an extra, constant, and effective weapon.  That effort is lead this year by Darren Sproles.  He ranks 5th in both DVOA (33.2%) and DYAR as a receiving RB. The Browns have a chance at slowing these guys down.  They are 11th in defending #2 WRs, 23rd against "other" WRs, and 26th against RBs in the passing game.  Not great, but it won't be as ugly here (though that was with a healthier unit than they'll have this week).

Don't expect to get to Rivers either.  The Charger line has allowed sacks on just 5% of the drop backs. Good for 8th in the league.  The Browns are pretty much exactly league average at sacking the QB, 16th in the league at 6.5% of drop backs.  But, again, that was with a healthy Rogers, Wimbley, Coleman, etc.

So with such an efficient and prolific passing game, why do the Chargers rank just 6th in total offensive efficiency?  Well, the running game has been a bit embarrassing.  31st in DVOA at -11.4%.  A one time force in the NFL, LaDainian Tomlinson has had a tough couple years, battling injuries and feeling the wear of thousands of NFL carries on his 30 year old body.  This year he ranks 31st of 37 qualified backs in rushing DVOA, about 10% worse than an average RB.  And while Darren Sproles has excelled in the passing game and as a change of pace back over his career, nobody is mistaking him as an every down running threat.  He has averaged just 3.3 yards per carry on his way to a dismal -33.5% DVOA (of all RBs with more than 50 carries, only Glen Coffee and Marshawn Lynch have a worse number).  Still, this might be the week the San Diego rushing attack gets healthy.  Why?  Because the Browns rank 30th against the run in DVOA (10.2%)

When the Browns have the Ball

Injuries make this matchup even tougher to evaluate.  While the Browns will be without the back they have hopelessly fed the ball to for the better part of 3 years (Jamal Lewis), the Chargers could be choose to rest many of their banged up defensive stars.  OLB- Shawne Merriman, OLB- Shaun Phillips, DE- Luis Castillo, S- Eric Weddle, and DT- Ogembi Nwagbuo all were held out of practice yesterday.  But even with these guys playing most of the season, the Chargers have been below average on the defensive side (19th in DVOA, 7.1%).  Not that we expect the Browns terrible offense to take advantage of this mediocrity.

The Chargers strong suit is against the pass.  They rank 13th, but still worse than average in DVOA at 6.3%.  They are 6th against TEs and against #2 WRs.  So don't look for our gang scrub TEs to catch many passes.  And Chansi Stuckey is going to have a tough time keeping his recent momentum going.  But the Chargers do struggle with defending RBs out of the backfield.  That should mean good things for Harrison and Jennings.  Not that we have been good at getting the ball to these two.  Jennings dropped the pass of the year from Brady Quinn against Detroit, and Harrison has struggled when given the chance (-38.3% DVOA, 45 of 47 qualifying RBs in pass catching).  But hopefully we keep trying the wheel routes and screens.  It may be our best chance to score.

But the biggest key will be to protect Brady Quinn (and make him believe he is protected).  The Chargers are 10th in getting to the QB with 28 sacks, 7% of opponent drop backs.  The Browns have allowed sacks on 6.6% of Quinn and DA's drop backs, good for 18th.  The problem isn't always the sacks, its the blitzes (which the Chargers will bring a lot of with Phillips and Merriman or not) and having the WRs and QB on the same page.  We'll see if that continues to improve with Quinn's second stint as starting QB.

The Chargers have struggled against the run (25th in the league at 7.9% DVOA).  And with their front 7 banged up, this could be something to exploit.  Thing is, there really isn't enough data to know what we will get in the running game with Chris Jennings and Jerome Harrison.  And we really haven't seen enough of them to have any reason to be confident in them.  Only time will tell.  Hey, maybe Cribbs and Quinn can break some runs?!

Special Teams

The Browns remain 2nd, just behind the Vikings in overall special teams DVOA (7.2%).  They are still lead by the return units, especially the league leading punt return group.  San Diego is pretty average at everything in special teams, except for kick coverage, where they have a -5.3% DVOA (5th worst in the league).  Making the overall special teams place 20th overall in efficiency.  Maybe Cribbs can break a kickoff return.  He should have a couple opportunities.

Conclusions and Questions

It doesn't look good for our Browns.  But with the injuries on both sides, there are a lot of variables.  And variables are always good for the underdog.  Three questions that will determine the outcome:

1.) With Jamal Lewis finally out of the way, what can Chris Jennings and Jerome Harrison show against a suspect and hurt front 7 of San Diego?  Both in the run game and in the passing game.

2.) Will LT have a breakout game or will his decline continue, even against a battered and suspect front seven of Cleveland?

3.) Can the Browns prevent Rivers, Gates, and Jackson from scoring TDs at will?  Anything less than 350 yds and 4 TDs would be amazing to me.

The Chargers are good.  At 8-3, they are playing for playoff position.  It seems like our only hope is if they overlook our battered, bruised, and beaten Cleveland Browns or if the brisk weather on Lake Erie gets to those sissy SoCalians.  I don't see it happening: Chargers win, 35-16.

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1) Not much
2) Decline continues
3) No

by Roger Dorn on Dec 3, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

16 points is pretty generous, i’ll take it though…

by athensdawg2 on Dec 3, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I think Lewis being hurt is actually a good thing for the offense. And I don’t think they are going to rest most of those defenders that are banged up. Quinn should be getting better and lots of scoring by the Chargers will lead to lots of chances for Cribbs and Quinn to do something.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 3, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

it would be nice to see some progress, who knows maybe we catch them napping. for my sake, i hope the browns win. my wife is from san diego, i’ll be hearing it from the inlaws forever…

by athensdawg2 on Dec 3, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what I thought too.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Dec 4, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Braylon Edwards almost caught a ball with his face this evening. Alas, his hands got in the way.

(I know it’s not germane to this post, but I couldn’t resist.)

by JustBob on Dec 3, 2009 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

I saw that live on TV. As soon as I find it on YouTube, it’s going on the front page of DBN.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 3, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw that. Hilarious. I don’t feel bad for him or the Jets one bit either.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Dec 4, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

lol i can’t believe they announcer said “to be fair guys thats a difficult catch” and he wasn’t joking

by notthatnoise on Dec 4, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

the announcer, not they

by notthatnoise on Dec 4, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that was hilarious

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Dec 4, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Drat. Pulled down now for copyright violation….

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 5, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Braylon pulling a Lebron? That shadow stretches far.

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle

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by Villeslgr on Dec 5, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Tomlinson will reach 100 yards much like Larry Johnson did, which didn’t require much. The backs will find the hole for chunks at a time on the draw plays, which I’m sure we’ll bite for in respect of the Chargers’ passing game.

Since Cutler/Rivers used to be in the same division, I used to lump them together as quarterbacks who had to prove themselves to live up to the massive hype they had. As you stated, I believe Rivers has quietly lived up to his expectations.

I expect Harrison or Jennings to be fairly productive, but until we improve upon the simple third down passing game against good defenses, it doesn’t seem feasible for our RB to receive the required 20+ carries.

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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 3, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

And as long as our game plan calls for keeping the receivers within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage every time we face anything other than a flaccid defense, it’s unlikely that the third down passing game will improve. I think they should call this the pill bug offense.

by JustBob on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Draw plays will be dangerous. As will screens.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 3, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

1) I don’t expect Harrison to get much love this Sunday.Can’t seem to find his way out of Mangini’s dog house.

2) I don’t know about LT, but I expect Sproles and LT to combine for 175 yards on the ground.

3) See number 2. I don’t think the Chargers will have to throw the ball very much. Rivers throws for 215-230ish with 1TD.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 3, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

I would agree on Harrison, but are they really going to give Jennings more than 10 carries?

It is possible the Chargers become happy with the ground game. But it just doesn’t seem to fit their strengths.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 3, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I just think our run defense will be that poor.

It wouldn’t surise me to see Thomas Brown activated off the practice squad to get some carries.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 4, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else get super excited

when they misread Mangino steps down as head coach? I know I did.

by L Train on Dec 3, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Had to rec that. Gave me a laugh.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Dec 4, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

It took him a little while, but Norv Turner has finally molded the Chargers offense into the kind of deep passing attack that he loves. Their receivers have outmuscled and manhandled much better defensive backs than ours. It’s a shame we don’t have Pool for this game because he is the one DB on our team that might be able to match their toughness and physicality. He has his weaknesses, but you can’t deny that he loved to lay the hard hit. We weren’t going to win this one anyway, but Pool may have kept us from getting embarrassed.

by Bumblyjack on Dec 4, 2009 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

Not a lot of hope here, is there? Maybe Rob Ryan and Co. can step up with a strong effort, injuries aside. On the offensive side, well…. New running backs to watch? More Cribbs to Quinn action?

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 4, 2009 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

GoT NUMBERS? Analyzing the Chargers vs. the Browns

Do we have to? Can’t we just end this?!…jesus-jumping-Christmas-Donkey…f*ck.

And such.

by johnnyphoenix on Dec 4, 2009 4:39 AM EST reply actions  

Hell yeah!
Being in Charger country, this game will be on TV. I can watch us suck on the big screen this week.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Dec 4, 2009 5:25 AM EST reply actions  

I thought it was blacked out in SD?

by golanbatrac on Dec 4, 2009 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The game’s in Cleveland. Nevermind.

by golanbatrac on Dec 4, 2009 5:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It sure looks dreary. But at least we can feel assured that the Chargers offensive players will double check their insurance premiums this week. Because Rob Ryan has supplied us with five men that are built to absolutely demolish ball carriers. Let me reiterate (in order of acquisition), they are MLB David Vaikune, MLB Kaluka Maiava, MLB Jason Trusnik, MLB Josh Stamer and MLB Matt Roth. And since this site has not expressly endorsed anyone else, other than Shaun Rogers, I guess there are no guarantees on anyone elses performance either. All Rob Ryan has to do is call “havoc”.

by mooncamping on Dec 4, 2009 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

Havoc. I like that. I would also accept “Mayhem”, “Pain”, “Napalm”, or “Operation demolish the ball carrier.”

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Dec 4, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I predict an offense like the MNF game. A lot of dink and dunk passes to the flats and little screens. They will try to establish the run early, like on every first down, and be forced to throw late. The SD defense is going to blitz about every down, except 1st because they know it will be a run. Daboll’s lack of confidence in Quinn will force his playcalling to be short passes that go no where. if the Browns score 10 I will be excited.

I would like to see Quinn throw zero INTs this week. That is my possitive for the game.

by holmes213 on Dec 4, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

San Diego is giving up around 118 yards rushing per game which is better than 11 other teams in the NFL. I don’t think that the rushing tandem of Harrison/Jennings will be very successful even if the Charger’s defense is banged up.
I think LT will run for over 100 yards if he gets the carries (I’m thinking around 18-20 should do it).
Rivers should have a career day.
What I hope to see out of the Browns is:
Life on offense
A good showing by Quinn – I’d like to see him poised in the pocket
No big plays on defense or not too many big plays
No major injuries to the 4 or 5 players that are bonified starters left standing
Notice I said “hope” to see… this is not a prediction. Go Browns!

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Dec 4, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

By the way… excellent article on this game. Lots of good research.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Dec 4, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 4, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way… excellent article on this game. Lots of good research.

 
Seconded- I love the FO analysis and it’s such a shame they’re no longer “outsiders”.

I’d like to see more synergy between Quinn and the receivers. I’m starting to think that Quinn is showing enough to be worth inking in as our QB- he just needs a full training camp and tie with the guys he’s throwing to!

by LondonBrown on Dec 5, 2009 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I would LOVE to see big plays on defense. Int’s, fumbles, you name it. Now, I’m not fond of GIVING UP big plays….

by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 4, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh. You got me.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Dec 4, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

a backfield of james davis, jerome harrison and legarrette blount could be a mean lineup. i believe a team could pick blount on the second day of the draft. thoughts?

by athensdawg2 on Dec 4, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Don’t know how far he slides, but if it is 4th round, I’d say sign me up. Maybe even 3rd round.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 4, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He was running people over against Oregon St. on Thursday night.

by Buckeye Brad on Dec 4, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m thinking if he plays well in the bowl, shows he’s in good shape at the combine and interviews well he might rehabilitate his draft status.

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle

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by Villeslgr on Dec 5, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

but to what? second round? Late first?

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 6, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure, seems to be some good backs out there and I wonder if he can ever really get over that punch to jump some guys who have produced all year.

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

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by Villeslgr on Dec 6, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

But Mangini sees ‘crackers…..’

by johnnyphoenix on Dec 4, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Suh is absolutely dominating this Big XII championship game. He would look awfully good on our defensive line next year.

by bbstirrd on Dec 5, 2009 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

Complete domination.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 5, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope we lose the rest of our games. There’s no way Suh lasts past the second pick.

by golanbatrac on Dec 5, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And so it begins… (fans rooting for losses with hopes for a better draft pick)

by Simmsinns on Dec 6, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

i think i’d rather take him than berry. he may be the safest player. 11 tackes, 3.5 sacks on the night i think?

by emily522 on Dec 5, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

oh wait 5 sacks. wow.

by emily522 on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess i was looking at someone else’s stats. he had 5 tackles, not 11 haha.

by emily522 on Dec 5, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i heard them say 12 tackles and 4.5 sacks. haven’t checked the box score though to double check

by bbstirrd on Dec 5, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, ok. i looked on espn but it said 5 tackles. but maybe i was looking at the wrong column or something.

let the berry vs. suh talk begin.

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

12 tackles, 7 for a loss, 4.5 sacks.

Complete and total domination.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 6, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

But where do we play him? DE? Or do we switch the a 4-3?

I’m a big 4-3 fan. Plus it would bring Williams back into play- Williams-Suh-Rogers-Wimbly/Veikune anyone?

by LondonBrown on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Play him at safety and he will still make plays. Just an animal.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I am starting to think that switching to a 4-3 will allow to acquire players cheaply from other teams that don’t fit the 3-4 system. For example, Aaron Kampman is useless in GB now, but would be a good player as a 4-3 end. We could acquire him cheaply on the free agent market, draft Suh and line him up next to Rogers, and have a beast D line next year.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Kampman is useless in GB now, but would be a good player as a 4-3 end. We could acquire him cheaply on the free agent market, draft Suh and line him up next to Rogers, and have a beast D line next year.

sounds great. run the idea by eric haha.

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Mangini will never switch from a 3-4, he has made that much clear.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, but how relevant is that going to be?

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If I were to bet, I’d say Mangini returns next year.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i think he’ll get fired but who knows. i don’t really have any reason to assume this other than a gut feeling.

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised either way, myself.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 6, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It’ll depend on the new GM, but I fancy Lerner asking them to “try working together” for a season.

I’d love to see us take a top safety. I think they really can make a D tick.

by LondonBrown on Dec 6, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

could suh do well in the 3-4? he’s in a 4-3 at nebraska, right?

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s good enough to play well in any system, but he probably best fits a 4-3 DT.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

if you ask me, texas’s win over nebraska wasn’t a real convincing one to get into the national championship. but i guess when you look at the whole season, they should get in.

by emily522 on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

man, i don’t know. How much better is a road win @ okla st and neutral field wins against Nebraska and Oklahoma vs. UC’s wins at Oregon State, vs. West Va. and at Pitt? OR TCU’s wins @ Clemson, @ BYU, vs. Utah?

Which is better. I think its really frickin close. Texas gets in based on reputation. But what should happen? Really freaking close.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Dec 6, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I have been having this debate with my friends for 4 weeks now.

I really think that TCU is the best team in the country. They have a very fast, good defense.

And on offense they can beat you with the pass or the run. I hope they get matched up with Florida in the Sugar Bowl and just house ‘em. If you haven’t watched TCU this season, do yourself a favor and makes sure you see their bowl game. Patterson is a great HC and the kind of guy that Notre Dame should be going after.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 6, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s just too bad we’ll never get to know for sure.

Patterson just signed a contract extension with TCU, so it seems he’ll be sticking around there for a while.

by Western Reserve on Dec 6, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

ha if TCU beat florida…

let’s hope timmy doesn’t cry then too :’(

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Tebow crying made my day.

If only Urban had wept also.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 6, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I equate throwing headsets with crying, so I had a good time.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

it made my year.

i took a pic of tim crying with my phone then uploaded it to facebook. this girl, who i barely know, totally flipped out on me. i tried to explain how crying like a baby each time you lose is bad sportsmanship. for some reason she couldn’t comprehend that it makes you look like an ass.

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That girl you’re talking about?

She’s a bitch.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 6, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw, that’s kind of sweet, in a “little kid lost his ball at the playground” sort of way.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, poor tim. the media’s been kissing his feet like he’s jesus the past 3 years. he has 1 heisman trophy and 2 national championships. and he only won 22 games in a row.

not to mention, this wasn’t his last game at florida! he still has a freakin’ bowl game to play. get over yourself, tim!

he can do the gator chomp right in front of opposing players’ and fans’ faces, but when he loses… well the pic above explains it :)

(rant over.)

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Me and college ball don’t really mesh, but that was a nice rant. Go you.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Most of the media covering Tim Tebow is insane.

ESPN following him to the ambulance this season when he was hurt vs. Kentucky (It seemed like WWE segment) to Charles Davis of FOX saying that of you spend 20 minutes with Tim Tebow you are a better person for it, the media is way overboard with this kid.

by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 6, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Texas gets in based on reputation

exactly.

i’m really sick of how these teams (tcu, boise st.) have to go undefeated just to get into a bcs game. chris pederson even said boise state would come play any sec, big 10, big 12, etc. team next year and no one has responded to his offer. then people say “oh they didn’t play anyone!”.

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the big conference schools see a game against a TCU or Bosie as a no-win for them. They are good enough that you might get beat and the perception is that you lost to a bad team. Then if you beat them then the perception is that you should have anyway.

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Dec 6, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections

here are some bowl projections.

UC vs. florida would be sweet. so would TCU vs. GT.

by emily522 on Dec 6, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

I’m a Big East guy and would love to see Cincy take on an SEC school, but as someone who is not a fan of the BCS, I would much rather see a non BCS school beat a BCS conference darling.

"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"

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by Villeslgr on Dec 6, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I am rooting hard for Boise, TCU and Cincy in whatever bowls each team plays in.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 6, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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