I Am a Witness
by realmccoy on Dec 6, 2009 1:00 PM EST
147 comments
After being born in C-Town, I moved to Texas about 20+ years ago and am now a huge fan of both the Cleveland Browns and the Texas Longhorns. As I watched just a torturous Big XII championship where the Horns were playing like the Browns invaded their bodies, I bore witness to the greatest college defensive football player I have ever seen - Ndumakong Suh of Nebraska.
The make up of this guy is Shaun Rogers + increased motor + more speed + more smarts. Same freakish quickness and strength. Despite being double teamed all night - he had 5 sacks and uncountable hurries and QB pressures. On one play that he was double teamed, he threw both guys into the QB! By the way, one of the guys on the double team was the first team All American Center Chris Hall. This guy is quick enough to apply pressure and then disrupt screen passes - I am truly speechless about his capabilities.
I have long had the theory that if you draft number 1 you should go QB if at all possible. My thinking, if you are going to pay a rookie to be a franchise type player - you might as well invest in the one position where he would not be overpaid if successful. I now think that the Browns have to draft Ndumakong Suh. He is Eric Mangini proof. He is Botch Davis proof. He can trump all the bad luck picks in this current no GM, no scouting director organization.
Cleveland has been blessed to be witness to LeBron's greatness. Make it 2 with Suh!
This is a fan-created post. Dawgs By Nature assumes no responsibility for the content listed.
5 recs |
147 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
I am going to rec this in hopes that it becomes a recommended fanpost so that everyone knows I support drafting Suh.
READ THIS MANGINI OR FUTURE CZAR!
Or whoever is in charge of this team next year?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 6, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
After seeing this and other recommendations, I looked at some game film of Suh. Also, some features have been done on him. Seems like a good kid. Super strong and athletic. My main objections have been:
1. We already have a decent DT in a 3-4 scheme. I’m doubting we’ll go away from the 3-4 so do we go away from Rogers? If you keep replacing your good players, even if you replace them with other good players you’ll never get anywhere because you are not addressing your needs. So do the Browns trade away Rogers for another position where there is a need or go to a 4-3? I just don’t think Mangini would change his scheme no matter how awesome it would be to have Suh and Rogers lined up shoulder to shoulder.
2. Our offense is so lacking it seems crazy to draft defense with the first pick. Most of our truly embarrassing losses this year have been due to poor offense. Then again, our defense is equally bad statistically so… meh.
3. It seems like it is better to draft skill positions with the high picks. Heaven knows we need just about any of those too. Things might look A LOT different on the offense with a truly talented RB in the backfield or a big, fast WR.
Having said all that… Suh is making me second guess myself. He is a beast. He could be an amazing difference-maker.
Help me with my first objection… why draft to a position in which we already have a pretty good talent? I don’t think the Browns will go 4-3, do any of you? Are you thinking trade Rogers?
Brownsyup
1. Right now, Suh is a DE in our scheme. Think Patriots when Ty Warren, Richard Seymor, and Vince Wilfork were in their primes. DEs in our scheme need to have the size, strength, and some of the skillsets of DTs in a 4-3. In the same way we’d have to consider college DEs as OLBs, we consider most DTs in college to be DEs in our scheme.
Rogers is 30 and I think it is asking a little too much for him to be dominant at 35+ years old. He can probably play till he’s really old, but he isn’t going to exactly be coming in to his prime.
Great defensive linemen make a tremendous impact on the game, and Suh can do so many things on the field, he can provide a variety of things for a defense.
2. Draft players, not needs. Especially that high. If you believe the player will be an NFL standout, take him regardless of position. If you think two players will be NFL standouts (and are equally good), consider value vs other positions and the rarity of the athletes in question. Approach it as though you can not bust on a pick in the top 5 and expect to win.
3. I doubt draft statistics prove this. I want a big fast WR and a workhorse back in the backfield, too. Who’s there this year? Do you really think Dez Bryant is the next Calvin Johnson/Andre Johnson/etc? I don’t. Is he Calvin Johnson or Braylon Edwards? Do you think Spiller is the next Chris Johnson, or the next Reggie Bush? I don’t know that I would take even Johnson over Suh.
I would take Chris Johnson over Suh in a trade.
I have a man crush on CJ. He moves like no other back I have ever seen. He attacks the LOS and if he even gets the slightest gap, he is gone.
It is close but Johnson has done it at this level while Suh hasn’t yet (Even though I fully expect Suh to be a Cleveland Brown next season where he will set a NFL record with 72 sacks as a rookie. That is with him resting in week 17 to get ready for the playoffs.)
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 7, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t move like Barry Sanders did. I agree, though, Johnson is a freak. He will run through an arm tackle, too. I am not sure I would trade them straight up. Still, I don’t trust Spiller to become the next Johnson.
The only difference I see between Barry and CJ is that CJ is always moving forwards. Sanders ran side to side and backwards a lot (for good reason.)
When I watch CJ, which is a lot, he is always going North and South unless it is a sweep. He is having one of the best RB seasons of all time on a team that has had Kerry Collins and Vince Young as QB.
He got 128 yards in a game his team lost by 60. I think that he is the best RB in the NFL over Peterson.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not trying to knock Johnson, Sanders was just not a human. You are right, Johnson’s acceleration and N/S speed are pretty unreal too.
Actually, if there is a Sanders-style back in the league right now, I’d say its D’Angelo Williams.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
I don’t think we will ever see anything like Barry Sanders again.
I mean just look at some of these.
And his college highlights look like someone needs to be following him with a microphone waving a shirt narrating the action and hurling some “oh baby!”s at the opposing team.
by rufio on Dec 9, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was lucky enough on my last visit to the HOF to see Sanders NFL Films highlight reel on the big screen. Sanders thirty feet high and in super-slow-motion. Insane.
He never had an offensive line in his entire NFL career. THE only back I’ve ever seen that didn’t need one.
Would have been the greatest player in college football history had he not spent two of his three years as a backup (to Thurman Thomas).
As many backs as there are ahead of Jim Brown on the all time rushing list, Sanders is the only one that belongs in Browns’ company.
Brown, Sanders, and Earl Campbell (despite the fumbles and the short career, THE most talented back in NFL history IMO). That’s my top three.
Earl Campbell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4hQJelXBQ&feature=related
(the run against the Rams being the greatest run in NFL history)
Thanks for helping me second guess myself. I was being to literal on position. I thought that Suh might not be quick enough to be an end. I know I’ve heard that he is very quick for a big man but I was thinking ends are more in the sub-300 lbs category and this guy will probably be around 320 by the time he makes it to the NFL. But with his athleticism he should be awesome and he and Rogers should give offenses matchup nightmares. I’m getting to like this idea more and more.
Brownsyup
If we were to pass on him it might just be the most crushing blow of all things related to this horrendous season.
Actually, the most crushing blow would be if we do select him and he blows out his knee or some other unexpected/uncontrollable event to keep him from ever seeing the field.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Draft Suh or Eric Berry.
Place Suh at the 5 technique and you have one of the best defensive lines in the nation with Rogers at the nose.
Or Rogers would be great trade bait in 2011.
No matter, you don’t worry about schemes when taking a player of Suh’s caliber.
Now the question is who will end up with number one and wuld we want to pac Rogers and are #1 to more up to grab Shu
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 6, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I would if we got a few more late rounds in the deal.But IMO DT is not as much as a need as CB,FS,SS or RB is.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
We need more picks, not less.
Even if it is for Suh.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 7, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
That is my point if we are going to pick Suh and stay in a 3-4 then you move Rogers for more picks and a chance to move up to make sure we get Suh.But if Tampa or the Rams pick before us Suh will be gone.So if you can move up by giving up are 1st roundand Rogers for who ever picks 1st round maybe a 3rd then why not if Suh is going to take Rogers spot.
Now if we look at moving into a 4-3 then you keep Rogers and see what we get at are spot.But I fear Suh will not be there when we pick.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure I agree the Rams last 4 games are Vs harder teams then us and they might not see another win this year.While we have a chance of winning 1 or even 2 of are last 4 games.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa as well there last 4 are harder as well.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
I believe the Chiefs drafted Glenn Dorsey.
The Rams have drafted Chris Long and Adam Carriker who are both DL in the last 2/3 years. But with Spagnuolo there, they’ll want a lot of good defensive linemen. Especially ones as versatile as Suh.
do they really have the weakest schedule? i was under the blind assumption that there’s was more on the “difficult” side.
You are reading my signature.
I haven’t looked, actually, I was just going off of what was said above. I do think we have the easiest remaining schedule, but prior to this week’s games we had the toughest of the 3.
i remember seeing a SoS chart so far this season and the browns had one of the toughest of the league, and definitely the toughest of the 1-11 teams. So its safe to say that if STL or Tampa don’t win another game and we win 1 more then we could possibly miss out on Suh and even Berry
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 7, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I meant that if we win another game and Detroit doesn’t, they’ll pick higher due to a weaker schedule and Tampa and Detroit will have their choice at Suh or Berry
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 7, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
From what I have found, as of right now the Browns have the lower SOS.
That can change from week to week. I will try and keep an eye on it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 7, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
isn’t that based on last years records?
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 8, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’m reading that too. So far the Browns have the weakest schedule. And as for Suh, I remember some guy commenting on an earlier thread that he wasn’t that great because KU did a good job against him. Boy, was that dude way off… :)
by cleveland.brown on Dec 7, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
That is wrong if there is a tie there will be a coin flip to see who ends up were.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Could have sworn that 2 yeas ago we had a coin flip with a team for teh 3rd over all pick /shrug oh well
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
The coin flip used to happen, but I believe it was like the 4th tiebreaker. 1st was strengh of schedule, then a couple other things, then tiebreaker.
I think they put something in place last year to push it even further down the tiebreaker list so that it would virtually never happen.
The coinflip now happens if the strengths of schedule are even. The year Tampa and Cleveland had the same record and same strength of schedule, Cleveland won the coin flip and selected Joe Thomas. Huge!
Tampa took Gaines Adams.
Best. Coin flip. Ever.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 7, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cool thanks for the info though I was going nuts.I know my sanity is not great but biy I was worried :)
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Suh is a DE in our system.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
Maybe true but if we are not 1st we will not get him IMO.If Rams are first he wll be gone.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 7, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Suh is not as strong as Rogers. He does play with more “it” factor, and I am an advocate of drafting him, though.
The scheme wouldn’t matter, Suh can play in any of them and be great. Especially playing next to Rogers. The possibilities on passing downs could be ridiculous.
If we could find a way to land a great pass rushing OLB too, I’d be ecstatic.
I think LB is one of our smallest needs right now. Thats just my opinion though
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is that we don’t really have a dominant edge rusher.
I really liked the Roth pickup (didn’t get to watch today’s game), Wimbley has been a nice surprise this year vs last, Jackson is very good, and Trusnik has been way better than I thought he’d be. Bowens and Barton have been solid (before Barton’s injury) but are both on the downsides of their careers.
Still, we don’t have anyone who is a threat to get to the QB on any given play or would be frightening to some of the top LTs in the league. That guy would make our whole defense look better.
Our pass rush still isn’t great, and you need to be able to rush the passer to win consistently. And there’s no blaming it on the scheme this year.
I wonder how much this has to do with our linebackers having to cover instead of rush though? Will upgrades at DB free up Wimbley? He seems to be spending a lot of time in coverage…
Wimbley is actually very good at coverage IMO, so I don’t mind him spending time back there. We do actually send linebackers on blitzes this year. When we do that, we should be surprised if we don’t hurry the throw, hit or sack the QB. Right now, I am surprised if we do.
Better DBs would afford Ryan more confidence in blitzing, but if you have to choose to have a bad pass rush or bad coverage guys, you always choose bad coverage guys.
Funny, I think it is our biggest need. Still. I want Suh or Berry because they are obvious impact guys. But if there was a LB that was even close to their level, I’d be advocating that person.
Barton and Bowens will be a year older. Trunsnik and Roth are nice depth options, but I don’t want them starting next year if we have a choice. I am higher on Wimbley than most, but I think Jackson is very overrated amongst Browns fans.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
I would take Roth as a starter next season. No doubt.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think we were fortunate to pick Roth up, but think about how good we could be if we landed a DE/OLB in the 2nd round who can really rush the passer. Then put Suh and Rogers in front of that.
Or take Robaire Smith or Coleman out of the game and put in the 3rd OLB as a DE.
He was playing both in camp, and he’s obviously struggling, so I don’t think that it’s a foregone conclusion that he winds up on the inside.
He could still rush the passer from the inside, too. I would love to see him 1. on the field and 2. doing well. Not sure why both aren’t happening right now.
Still, I don’t think you can ever have too many pass rushers. pitt and Baltomore consistently draft LBs and when Joey Porter or Bart Scott want too much in free agency, they let them go and get supplemental picks. Sounds like a good plan to me.
I think if Suh added a bit of weight he could play nose. He would be a bit small, but he can beat double teams, which is the most important thing for a NT.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions
He can beat Big 12 double teams. Can he beat double teams in the NFL? I know he is a freak, but with all the freaks in the NFL, none of them can play NT at under 300 lbs. Even if he added “a bit of weight”, we’re talking what, 15-20 lbs? That’s still nowhere close to the 350+ that most NTs play at.
I’m not saying it can’t happen (particularly in sub packages), but I think it would be more of a nice surprise that he can also play NT, not the position that you draft him to play.
Ratliff for the Cowboys is only 315. And Suh is about 310 and I don’t think it isn’t possible for him to gain 10 pounds and be up to 320
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
The other week I was watching Nebraska and the announcers asked him what he weighed in at and I believe his answer was 290 before thanksgiving, 295 after.
I will admit that I haven’t looked at Dallas’ D the way I have with the Browns, but it was my understanding that Dallas does a lot more 1-gapping than we do, which would allow for lighter, quicker DL. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dallas listed Ratliff at 310 like how we list Rogers at 350 or pittsburgh lists Hampton at 325…with the knowledge that those guys are way over that.
Suh might be able to get to 320, but why try to get him there when he could play DE so well at whatever he’s at now? 10-20lbs certainly isn’t out of the question, and the man is strong as hell anyway.
He is without question good enough to draft right now.
I know!
I read an article about George Selvie, who is an undersized DE trying to gain weight and having some trouble. Someone from ESPN the mag followed him around and tried to eat what Selvie did. It was ridiculous how much this guy was eating.
my junior year of high school i weighed 165lbs and i played OG and DE. all that year and that summer i ate around 10-12 thousand calories a day and lifted 3 days a week. i gained 5lbs. some people just can’t put the weight on.
I did forget our Kelly Gregg, who can play NT and is probably at a weight that Suh could effectively play at.
Gregg has more of a “fire-hydrant” build, but Suh is one strong dude.
So maybe he could do it. Just think we’d draft him to play DE and then be pleasantly surprised if we could move him to NT on occasion/due to future need.
And I think that Texas had an all-american center, so it is impressive to beat him and another guy consistently
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 7, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
It is always impressive to see someone beat two guys at once, but Chris Hall is no Alex Mack. Again, impressive, but it doesn’t mean he will be able to do the same thing in the league.
wait though shouldn’t you mention that alex mack looks like he’s going to be a dominant center in the league? thats an unfair comparison, most centers in the league are no alex mack.
True, but if you want to draft a DT as potentially the first overall pick, he should flash the ability to beat the Alex Macks of the college football world. BJ Raji beat Mack several times in one-on-ones at the senior bowl practices.
I’m not knocking Suh, he’s phenomenal and one of the surest things out there. But just because he can play the nose against Texas doesn’t mean he can play in the League. Hell, he might be able to do it at some point. But that isn’t why you draft the kid.
He’d be a DE in our system, without a question.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
I’ve seen you say this a couple of times… just wondering if he can play end, why isn’t he now? Wouldn’t he have more impact as an end if he has the size and the speed? They play a 4-3 it seems. Don’t ends have to be able to be pretty quick laterally and keep backs from getting around their side? You seem pretty sure. Just wondering why it is such a sure thing if he isn’t an end now? You have a lot of inside knowledge and I’m not all that clear on this.
Brownsyup
It is about the responsibilities required from the scheme.
Suh is probably best at stopping the run. Our 3 DL need to be able to attract double-teams (by consistently dominating a single team to force the O to double them) to keep OL off of our linebackers. That’s probably the first thing you look for in a DE or DT in our scheme. If they can rush the passer too, awesome. Our DL must be able to shed blocks and be strong at the point of attack.
In a 4-3, DEs must be able to penetrate gaps and rush the passer. Strongside ends are usually a little better at stopping the run and not quite as good at rushing the passer. These linemen usually don’t need to be able to draw double teams, they need to be able to shoot into spaces between linemen and tackle players coming through those gaps or take those gaps en route to the QB. Some teams even require these DEs to drop in to coverage on a regular basis.
If you want something simpler, look at the heights and weights of our DL vs. a team like the NYG.
Suh isn’t an end now because he is being asked to do what he is great at doing as a DT. He is a freak so he might be able to play end for them, too, but I am guessing their 3rd DT is not as good as their 2nd DE, thus playing Suh inside allows them to have their four best DL on the field.
I completely agree!
That game was the first time I was able to see Suh play, and he needs to be in a Browns uniform lining up next to Rogers in 2010.
Forget picking anybody else (that includes Berry for all of you that are obsessed with him) it’s either pick Suh or trade down if you cannot get Suh.
http://dawgscooper.blogspot.com/
Dawg Scooper: An Unofficial Cleveland Browns Source
I’m not obsessed with Berry, but I do think if, and only if Suh is absolutely out of the question, then we should take Berry rather than trading down.
100% agree with this statement. Take Suh if he is on the board, and if not then take Berry. Both guys have huge potential to be pro bowl players and developing a tough defense for the Browns and Quinn are exactly what we need.
by Cedarpoint2k3 on Dec 7, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
agree with cedarpoint2k3 fully the browns could have a chance to take either player. the thing that both have is the playmaking ability which our team lacks on both sides of the ball. think of how many balls have been tipped and just dropped by our mediocre to bad players in the secondary and how many running backs have simply bounced off of our d line man this year. suh or berry will help our team out and should be pro bowlers for years to come.
Here is the draft order:
1. Center, alternative: Eric Steinbach
2. Guard, alternative: Alex Mack
3. Guard, alternative: Hank Fraley
4. Cornerback x2, alternative: minimum size 6´2, scrappy and wiry
5. Defensive Tackle x3, alternative: maximum size 6´2, roly poly fighters with gutt and butt
6. Tight End…I know who, do you?
7. New Browns staples: Freaky Flanker, Ground Hounds
8. Browns products, developmental players with subpar scouting and combine victims
roly poly fighters with gutt and butt
This description made me laugh out loud.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 7, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
If Suh is taken ahead of us; trade down, grab Joe Haden, hope Morgan Burnett falls to second, grab Von Miller in third.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 7, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions
Kiper in his draft notes today (Insider required) called Suh “as productive a DT prospect as I can remember in my 32 years in the business.” That’s quite the statement. I really, really, really want him in a Browns uniform next season, and I don’t care if we have to lose the rest of our games to get him.
I’m starting to wonder if the excitement could reach the football equivalent of the level it had when the Cavs were shooting for LeBron James. I say football equivalent because with 22 starters as compared to 5, it’s a lot harder to have immediate impact.
I doubt it will get close to that level. I’ll bet that many Browns fans don’t even know who Suh is yet, and those who do know him might not care that much. DT’s aren’t guys who usually get the fans excited like a QB or RB. Plus, most Cavs fans wanted LeBron since he was a junior in high school (when he appeared on the cover of SI) and people are just now learning about Suh. I understand what you’re saying, but LeBron was such a unique circumstance with him being from Akron and all the hype he received nationally that I don’t think anything else is even close to comparable.
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 8, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
LeBron might be a little (impossibly) high standard to match on hype/excitement. But Suh is making huge inroads into the consciousness of Browns fans and football fans everywhere. I mean, he could actually win the Heisman.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
I think it’d be very well deserved. More so than at least any QB at this point.
It’s also surely worth pointing out that this is probably the most excited a lot of Browns fans have been this long before a draft in a LONG time. Like LeBron and the Cavs? Well no, I suppose not even close, but I know I have not felt this pumped this early into a Browns’ post season before, and I know we’re not the only ones.
It’s also surely worth pointing out that this is probably the most excited a lot of Browns fans have been this long before a draft in a LONG time.
Anyone besides me think that’s largely because the season has been such a disaster?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 9, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. The draft is all we have to look forward to.
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
So long as no one gets a 2nd Heisman, leaving Archie as the only person to do so, I am fine with anyone winning the trophy.
If Tebow wins it this season, it will be a complete and total sham.
He shouldn’t even be in NY.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 10, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. He shouldn’t be in the top 5. My vote would look like this:
1. Ndomakung Suh
2. Toby Gerhart
3. Mark Ingram
4. Colt McCoy
5. C.J. Spiller
I think Suh is the most deserving but I think Mark Ingram will win it due to more notoriety than Toby Gerhart.
It blew my mind to find out that Bama hadn’t had a Heisman winner yet.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 10, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Looks extremely close, but Ingram will likely win it.
Suh with the most first place votes though. That is pretty incredible.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
Yeah, and it’s not even close. It’s the lack of second and third place votes which is going to keep him from winning. Too many people won’t even think of putting a defensive player on their ballot. It reminds me of the two baseball writers who didn’t even put Pedro Martinez on their MVP ballots in ’99 which cost him the award (it went to Pudge Rodriguez instead, which was a joke — Robbie Alomar and Manny were both more worthy than him that year).
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 11, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I had response written on a public computer on campus running IE, hit the backspace key, it went back a page and lost it all. Oh well, basically: Fair point, I had thought perhaps maybe when scaled to a football perspective that it might just be comparable, but on second thought you are correct, mostly considering the difference in awareness of the casual fan. I also almost mentions, "other than the ‘local hero chosen one’ fact, probably should have.
Yea, he really is on that sort of level. My only hesitation with Suh over Berry is that the Browns are already fairly strong on OL and DL, while being terribly below average almost everywhere else.
this is true, but with high picks in the other rounds, particularly the 2nd and 3rd, there should still be some good talent available
by notthatnoise on Dec 8, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
he also said dorsey would be a future hall of famer. jus sayin
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 8, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Which Dorsey? Not Ken Dorsey I hope.
Kiper isn’t always correct, of course, but he’s pretty good. There are some players he missed on but every NFL GM misses on players in the draft, too. Overall he’s pretty accurate.
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 8, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/cover-3/2009/cover-3-man-named-suh
Good article on Suh.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
Jake Locker is staying at Washington. This severely decreases our chances at Suh. Many had Locker as the only QB taken in the top 5. Now it appears that a team like St. Louis might take Suh instead of a QB. Damn.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
Don’t think Suh was going to last past the 3rd pick so if we was not in the top 3 we would not have got him anyways.
by Brownsfan4ever on Dec 18, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Non-stop coverage of the team with the best fans in the NFL, the Cleveland Browns.
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Follow DBN on Twitter
Browns Links
Local Media Sources
Official Browns Site
Orange and Brown Report
Cleveland Plain Dealer
Akron Beacon Journal
Browns Communities/Blogs
The Watercooler
Waiting for Next Year
Dawg Scooper
Dawg Talkers
Dawg Bones
The Browns Board
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
